2020 US Election - Let The Games Begin!

This alarmed me right up until the part where it said, “all the hallmarks of Russians...” That calmed me right down!:read:

I kind of had a similar reaction @Evan. Then I just said what the heck it's probably because Putin and Trump agreed to have some fun. Yea, Trump says: If you could hack the Dept. of Energy system to stop any Nukes or slow them down that would help.

I know this is completely stupid but who knows these days what is going on behind the scenes...

So maybe there is no hack and it is just to blame the Russians and keep them in mind as either enemy #1 or #2 since China is so popular now. You can't keep the war machine going without enemies... so sad.
 
7 states with dueling electors, this sounds like a real path to flipping the election, keeping in mind the courts are blocking everything turining the idea of fraud into a taboo would put anyone on the spot, if they flip it by contesting the dueling votes they will easily blame it on the republicans and wash their hands, until they can undeniably prove it. If they can that is.

 




 

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This alarmed me right up until the part where it said, “all the hallmarks of Russians...” That calmed me right down!:read:
I thought the same when I heard this from another source. This is the 3rd supposed hack now and I even wonder if this is occurring or just a mind game being thrown out there to frazzle people. It did have me wondering if the power grid might be hacked and millions left without electricity and communications in the middle of winter...a dark winter. A warning we're being given? Also, there is a lot of accusations about China flying around as we know. I wonder if false information is being pumped out to cover up the real evidence so discernment is needed.

This Russia stuff is so old and so many are aware of the scam, why choose it when it will be dismissed out right? If Russia actually did something no one would believe it. :lol: Maybe the PTB have lost touch with reality to such an advanced degree, they think people will fall for it. Always good to question sources.

Also, this hacking into nuclear facilities, plants in this case, has been going on for years apparently if you do a search on Yandex. Here's an example.

Hackers breached a dozen US nuclear plants, reports say​

Published7 July 2017

So, we're in the middle of an unconventional, cyber war some are saying. Also, more people in positions of authority are beginning to call for martial law which is a new twist.
 
Just occurred that the deep state probably wants martial law because that allows for the taking of possession of all public and private property for the protection and support of the military and the 'state'. Also aligns with the WEF's 'prediction' for agenda 2030 that 'you will own nothing and be happy' and that everything needed will be leased. So they probably won't be feeling too upset at Trump's claim that he will declare martial law because that plays to their agenda anyway.
 
As plans shape up for President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration festivities in January, the committee organizing things is urging Americans not to travel to Washington, but to participate in the celebration virtually instead.

Biden inaugural planners urge Americans to stay home, limit gatherings President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration will be a scaled-down affair because of the dangerous posed by the coronavirus pandemic.

 
Last night @Andromeda asked me what I thought was going to happen re: the election. I said that, while I have no evidence to back it up, I have the feeling that Trump will get another term amid a lot of chaos and recriminations and there will be serious repercussions as a result. The thinking/feeling is based on the dynamic of this entire episode, the fact that it has continued so long, Trump's personality, the duplicitous nature of the PTB and the fact that the rigging was so flagrant that even many Democrats suspect it. In addition, it just seems to me that the 'time is right' for such an event.

If there is a single defining aspect of what makes America 'great' and a 'shining beacon for all the world', it's their "democracy". And the defining aspect of their democracy is the almost sacred nature of the office of the President, and by extension, the Presidential election.

Most Americans have had this identification with America and democracy programmed into them from kindergarten, when many of them first learned the pledge of allegiance. And it is from this popular belief and unspoken contract that the elites derive and maintain their positions of power: keep up the facade of freedom and democracy, and the elite can continue to rule. Drop it, and all bets are off.

If this rigging is allowed to pass, I think it will spell the end of American democracy in the minds of MOST of the American people, and with it the elite's ability to rule and control a majority of the people, at least in way they have been doing so until now. I don't think they are willing to let that facade drop, and as they become increasingly aware of the extent of the suspicion around this election result, enough of a consensus will form to make it possible to use constitutional means to overturn the result on or after Jan. 6th, and of course, not without a lot of furor.

I know I could end up with egg on my face with this 'prediction', but I figured I'd risk it anyway.
 
The thing that's really frustrating me is this "wait" business. It's been quite clear what's happening.

The less you try to anticipate. The less it affects you.

It is what is is. There is still a possiblity how ever small. Making it part of objective reality. It's about following the series of event with a curious state of mind.

I do not agree at all. Can you list me what big projects they succeeded to achieve these last 10y ? 2016 election ? Syria ? Ukraine ? other less important. I would say the contrary : they are loosing their main battles since a couple of years.

Fair enough. They are firing the shots but they ain't hitting their marks now they do. They might get Biden elected but at was cost. The majority of Americans are learning to understand that their democracy is a total farce. It's not really a win now is it.

You seem to have been quite enthusiastic over the weeks, bjorn. So why not still keep up our hopes?
The show that we are told to enjoy has only just begun.

Like Putin once said. ''Hope, there is always hope.'' What I meant to say is not to keep our hopes up to high. That said, even if Trump loses, it doesn't mean that we lost the war. Just the battle.

In my teens I played pro competitive online strategy games. 1/100 comebacks happen. But you need a certain state of mind. It's not about looking when you have lost or won. It's primarely about constantly looking what your options are.

More than often people start making fatal mistakes when they thought they had won.

This situation is no different. Trump hasn't lost yet and he still has options to explore. And the PTB are overly arrogant.

What would Julius Caesar have done if he would have been in Trump's situation?

Trump has a family but he is also the president. As I see it, he is obliged to save the republic by any means possible. I think he left a fulfilling life. He should have no regrets.

Recently Trump posted this:

 
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Just occurred that the deep state probably wants martial law because that allows for the taking of possession of all public and private property for the protection and support of the military and the 'state'. Also aligns with the WEF's 'prediction' for agenda 2030 that 'you will own nothing and be happy' and that everything needed will be leased. So they probably won't be feeling too upset at Trump's claim that he will declare martial law because that plays to their agenda anyway.
I hope Joe's prediction turns out to be right. That said, here are some thoughts I've just put together on the matter of Martial Law:

Something else to consider, @Jones, related to Martial Law is that the left is already imposing it without stating as much through the use of Covid-19 -- quarantine, mandatory masks, mandatory vaccination, etc., "defund the police" and funding of BLM & Atifa -- through which we see the eroding of private property rights, even just plain "civil" rights, etc.


Excerpts Federalist article:

Know Your Rights Under Martial Law: Regulations, WEAPONS


Martial law is the imposition of direct military control of normal civilian functions by a government, especially in response to a temporary emergency such as invasion or major disaster, or in an occupied territory.

[...]

You’ll also notice signs of approaching Marshall Law when:


* You see the suspension of the Constitution – beginning with the first and second amendments


* Immediate confiscation of firearms – it happened before and it will most certainly happen again.


* Unpredictable Habeas corpus suspension – including imprisonment without due process or a right to a trial.


* Mandatory Production of identification or facing arrest


* Mandatory Curfews


* Quarantine zones and travel restrictions


* Mandatory cooperation with search and seizure without reason or warrant


* YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER ACTUALLY HEAR THE WORDS “MARTIAL LAW”


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You’ll know that we are in Martial Law even without hearing the words when:


* THE U.S. Constitution is suspended.


* Habeas Corpus is suspended


* Civil Rights are Suspended


* Civil law as we now know them will no longer exist


* No more freedom of the press


* No more freedom of speech


* Forced curfews


* Armed troops on the streets for law enforcement


* Individuals detained without cause


* Homes confiscated of all firearms, ammunition, food and supplies


* Any civilian who attempts to defy martial law may be subjected to court martial.


Thomas Jefferson said it best: “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

So, really, as per certainly the first roster above, we are all seeing the imposition of Martial Law without it being stated as such.

This begs the question of which Martial Law scenario is worse, then? Trump's officially declaring Martial Law? Or the Martial Law we are presently seeing, which is only going to become more onerous once/if the Democrats take the White House?

If Trump were to declare Martial Law, it would confirm for many liberals what they've always claimed about Trump, his being a power hungry tyrant, etc. There will no doubt be an increase of the kind of rioting we've been seeing with BLM and Antifa, although, presumably, there will be serious consequences for such groups.

As for Deep State elements, what would their reaction be IF Trump's declaring Martial Law is truly an attack on their own power? Does Trump and the military have the necessary "might" to take on the Deep State?

There's a lot of talk about Deep State elements, but how precisely does that break down? Off the top of my head... the CIA and other intelligence agencies, both domestically and abroad; major financial institutions such as the Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs & others, central banks, all loyal political players, etc. Deep State access to nuclear weapons, cyberwarfare technology, etc., would no doubt enter into this as well. There are also generals and other military higher-ups not at all loyal to Trump.

Off hand, seeing how isolated Trump seems to be, could he really summon the power to confront such Deep State elements?

I certainly need more information to make that call. It all seems so very dicey.

Plus, if we think Big Tech/MSM is acting against Trump and his supporters now, this out and out warfare would see an even greater push to silence opposition. However, as per the beginning of this post, this is happening already with the unspoken Martial Law that the Democrats are party to, which is just getting revved up.

It does seem to be coming down to "might." Does Trump have the "might" to confront such an elaborate web of highly volatile opposition, and, if he were to take that risk militarily, what would be the likely result?

Catherine Austin Fitts points out that it's better to lose your life than to live as a slave, and yet she's extremely opposed to Trump's invoking the Insurrection Act, since the fact of its officially nullifying our constitutional rights she sees as playing into the hands of the Deep State, which she's implying will be able to use that supposedly temporary state of affairs to their immediate advantage.

What she suggests instead of going the Martial Law route is to get organized locally and make serious demands on government through state legislatures. "Intelligent action" is a term she likes to use.

This is her rather ambitious list she recently tweeted on this. But, as opposed to what her specific recommendations are, the important part, I think, is to start thinking of the considerable role of our state legislatures, which this fraudulent election has certainly put the spotlight on.

Here's Fitts' list again:


Of course, the mood in the country doesn't seem conducive to "intelligent action," I'm afraid. Still, it's good to think these things through.

I hope Joe is right, and Marshal Law is no longer on the table.
 
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Unless they win a case in court that proofs without a schaduw of a doubt that the election was one big fraud. That's the kind of leverage they need.

No judge seems to be brave enough to give it to them. 3 weeks to go. The chances are slim to none.

Those GOP electors can present this together with all the other proof the courts rejected. They must hold the line and create a storm.

 

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