MakeEmTalk
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Alana said:
Thanks Alana.
23andme - DNA Sequencing Services...
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Thanks Alana.
Tracy Anne
Jedi Master
I would be almost certain that the companies involved in this will be gathering non indentifying data to use for statistical purposes. Having worked as a Medical Coder for 20 years it would not surprise me one bit. Personally I would not want to give them the privilege of having my DNA when I have had to pay out $99. They should be paying me for it......if this is the case. I can understand how interesting it would be to discover your risks for certain diseases and also your ancestral line.
Thomas Alan
The Living Force
I missed this thread until now. It certainly would be interesting to have that information. I am especially interested in my colon cancer risk, both my mother and grandmother died of it. Also the ancestral lines would be fun to know. I know that I have Germam-Russian heritage on my mothers side, German, French and Irish on my fathers. Who knows what else it the mix.
There is some risk, of course, that the information will be misused. But like has been mentioned much information about us has already been collected by many organizations.
I will think about this a little further before I decide whether to do it.
Mac
There is some risk, of course, that the information will be misused. But like has been mentioned much information about us has already been collected by many organizations.
I will think about this a little further before I decide whether to do it.
Mac
Zadius Sky
The Living Force
I haven't checked back into my account on 23andMe website for a while until today, and a notice came to my attention. Apparently, FDA stepped in. This will affect anyone who is thinking about getting the results of their DNA in regards to any health information (Inherited Conditions, Traits, etc.). Anyone who used this site before 22nd of November still have access to their health information, but anyone who will use it after that date will not.
So, just FYI.
So, just FYI.
Nook
Dagobah Resident
Zadius Sky said:
On a related note:
_http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/science/i-had-my-dna-picture-taken-with-varying-results.html
The woman who wrote the article set out to test 3 different direct-to-consumer DNA companies with varying results. She also talks about the FDA's closer look at 23andme, fwiw.
Minas Tirith
Jedi Council Member
Since almost everyone of my colleagues have taken this test (we work in a historical field, hence the interest for the ancestry), I checked if there was something here on the forum about this company.
They seem to be divorced now, but I don't think that changes anything and Google is always a MAJOR RED FLAG. It might be true that DNA samples can be obtained through a variety of sources and very easily, but here they (whoever that might be) have the convenience of just having to access a single database.
Yup, totally agree. Question is, how would you pay? It's almost impossible not to leave traces with money these days.
M.T.
sitting said:
They seem to be divorced now, but I don't think that changes anything and Google is always a MAJOR RED FLAG. It might be true that DNA samples can be obtained through a variety of sources and very easily, but here they (whoever that might be) have the convenience of just having to access a single database.
MakeEmTalk said:
Yup, totally agree. Question is, how would you pay? It's almost impossible not to leave traces with money these days.
M.T.
Hmmpphh. They can get your DNA without your permission. Just wipe the edge of a glass that you have used, for instance. A lot of cold cases are being re-examined, using DNA evidence.
Every blood test you ever had, what happened to the samples?
If you are involved in a motor vehicle accident, you will be required to take a blood test by law, in Australia.
Seems to be a purely academic argument.
Every blood test you ever had, what happened to the samples?
If you are involved in a motor vehicle accident, you will be required to take a blood test by law, in Australia.
Seems to be a purely academic argument.
mcb
The Living Force
MusicMan said:
I've said it before, but there is more to be concerned about from your regular medical providers. Security can be lax, and the opportunities for HMO and hospital workers to steal detailed, personally identified medical data and sell it are real.
The SNP data used by the various genetic genealogy sites has some use for determining health risks, but it is not (as a rule) full sequence DNA data, and I don't believe it is suited for use for legal identification purposes. I understand the FDA's concern with what 23andMe was doing and while I don't entirely agree with them, I do see that people are reading more into SNP data than what is really there from a medical standpoint.
These companies do store DNA samples in addition to providing the SNP data in digital form. Those stored samples could potentially be used for full sequencing, and I don't think it would involve the effort or cost required to take it from a drinking glass -- I think it would be a lot easier. If you are concerned about that possibility, don't use these services.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
I recently came across some information on these companies that are busy collecting DNA samples from the population in the hope of helping you find out more about yourself.
As you'd expect, these companies are owned by people with ulterior motives, your DNA data will probably end up in places you had not anticipated and in the end, it'll all feed into the control matrix that is materialising all around us. The other thing about it is that by submitting your DNA, you essentially also give them the keys to those related to you who haven't submitted their DNA.... so as you've guessed it, for the price of you getting to know a little bit about yourself, they get to know a whole bunch about you and those related to you... plus in the background they can combine this data with a whole bunch of other data they have e.g. from social media, from all the tracking software on your smart devices etc to build an even more complete picture of you, your family etc etc.
All scary stuff really
and
How private should your DNA be? Should you have a say in how your DNA is used and who should have access to it?
Google is also operating in this space... if that's not enough to terrify you, then nothing is!
As you'd expect, these companies are owned by people with ulterior motives, your DNA data will probably end up in places you had not anticipated and in the end, it'll all feed into the control matrix that is materialising all around us. The other thing about it is that by submitting your DNA, you essentially also give them the keys to those related to you who haven't submitted their DNA.... so as you've guessed it, for the price of you getting to know a little bit about yourself, they get to know a whole bunch about you and those related to you... plus in the background they can combine this data with a whole bunch of other data they have e.g. from social media, from all the tracking software on your smart devices etc to build an even more complete picture of you, your family etc etc.
All scary stuff really
and
How private should your DNA be? Should you have a say in how your DNA is used and who should have access to it?
Google is also operating in this space... if that's not enough to terrify you, then nothing is!
duyunne
Jedi Council Member
It’s not terrifying to me, more annoying than anything as I have a lot of questions as to what I am. I almost went for 23&me out of desperation, but I keep holding back last minute at their site. It’s sad but I’m going to step away from their service and hold out until something else comes around, perhaps something that honours privacy as part of its service model. I would be willing to pay more to guarantee that I’m not being sold off to eugenicists.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
In the end, I think there is very little you can do in terms of being sold off to eugenicists, however, I guess you can make it rather hard for them by non-compliance...
Having said that, in this world, the overlords have a lot of things they can leverage to get our compliance to their intentions
- Need to survive and provide for our families can be leveraged to great extent by the overlords
- Our need for comfort can be leveraged as well e.g. convenience sold in the name of certain technologies such as smart devices, heck even TV from back in the day etc to well ultimately get us to surrender more than is stated on the tin (e.g. privacy with smart devices, advanced mind control with items such as TV and other forms of media etc)
- Curiosity can be leveraged e.g. on DNA where you give them your DNA in return for your curiosity being satisfied but God-knows what you surrender in the end, not only for yourself but your kids and their kids (who knows what brave new world we are ushering in?).
In the end, the machine is big and I suppose you can argue there is no stopping it so why bother or put up a fight? Right?
Having said that, in this world, the overlords have a lot of things they can leverage to get our compliance to their intentions
- Need to survive and provide for our families can be leveraged to great extent by the overlords
- Our need for comfort can be leveraged as well e.g. convenience sold in the name of certain technologies such as smart devices, heck even TV from back in the day etc to well ultimately get us to surrender more than is stated on the tin (e.g. privacy with smart devices, advanced mind control with items such as TV and other forms of media etc)
- Curiosity can be leveraged e.g. on DNA where you give them your DNA in return for your curiosity being satisfied but God-knows what you surrender in the end, not only for yourself but your kids and their kids (who knows what brave new world we are ushering in?).
In the end, the machine is big and I suppose you can argue there is no stopping it so why bother or put up a fight? Right?
Adaryn
The Living Force
Article from 9 years ago: DNA from millions of newborn babies is secretly stored on NHS database
If "they" want your DNA (or want to know or collect whatever data about you), they'll get it no matter how hard you put up a fight. It's a lost battle (for anyone wanting to fight 'them' on that front). My personal take is that at least, you get something very interesting in return for providing such data. I can understand people's fears and concerns though. As in everything, it's a matter of personal choice. If you have strong misgivings, just don't do it.
If "they" want your DNA (or want to know or collect whatever data about you), they'll get it no matter how hard you put up a fight. It's a lost battle (for anyone wanting to fight 'them' on that front). My personal take is that at least, you get something very interesting in return for providing such data. I can understand people's fears and concerns though. As in everything, it's a matter of personal choice. If you have strong misgivings, just don't do it.
And if you're older and they really want a sample, they can raid your garbage bin for hair, tissues, razors, or other hygiene or personal care products, pick up a cup you left on the table at a restaurant/cafe, medical samples for health tests, blood donations etc, etc.
Forensic Test – EasyDNA
www.easy-dna.com
The data base is big enough now that forensic genealogists can figure out what family a cold case John/Jane Doe belongs to.
DNA Doe Project
dnadoeproject.org
I strongly suspect that when someone donates blood to the Red Cross, they add your DNA to a data base. I live in Michigan, and my very first donation was sent to Richmond, Virginia. No subsequent donations have left the state of Michigan. If they want it, they'll get it one way or another. 
