4D STO principles

[Nachtweide]

I think there's a few ideas that perhaps should be explored and this might get offer a way out of this conundrum, hopefully.

I think that we have free will, and we have motivations for choices that determine STO or STS.

In a sense, free will is the ultimate law of the universe, and some of the examples presented, could in a sense be construed to be a technical violation of free will, and I believe every parent can understand this, when they impose their will upon their rebellious children. But then, it was their children's choice to be born to said parents at some level, right? and so part of that choice was to live under their restrictions in a way, to provide one another the opportunity to learn, does that still imply a violation of free will? it can be debated, the truth is that restraint is part of the mission of every parent, and caregiver.

On the other hand, these children did not consciously asked you to bring them to the world, so... free will violation? maybe not.

So, it becomes really nuanced when thinking about it, and at some point, we should perhaps remind ourselves that we live in an STS reality and as such most of our choices will remain self serving, we can attempt to grow respectful and honorable, never harm anyone consciously and become responsible for our choices, and most importantly, honest with ourselves about our motivations, but we're still STS. Honesty about that fact is perhaps better than to attempt to dress and measure up every choice in an STOness, because that can turn into an STS trojan horse rather quickly, think of all the diversity crowd fighting for the rights of minorities, for instance.

Which brings me to the motivation, free will violation is an STS feature, STO respects and upholds free will, this is true. But it strikes me that respecting the free will of another, WITH the intent of getting to STO is actually STS in nature, one is still chasing a reward in the end, "to be STO". Foregoing responsibility because "I respect free will as an STO candidate that I am" or whatever, can be a covert STS strategy. Not that every time one steps aside and lets people live their choices, one is doing it out of laziness or lack of responsibility, but it can happen.

Having said the above, if one has a set of responsibilities that one has accepted, and this implies some potential violation of free will, then be honest about it and still do your best. I love my dog, but I know I restrain his existence, and it is self serving, I can at least admit that as opposed to telling myself "No, I love my dog in an STO manner". Now, If one wishes to remain in a feeding dynamic despite the warnings and red flags, then one is free to do so I suppose, but what I would advice anyone is, at least be honest about your motivations, so that at least you're not deceiving yourself in the process.

Become part of something, or choose to give something another try despite the warnings, because you choose to do so, not because you have to. Choose the opposite, removing yourself from a situation or stepping aside, because you chose to, not because "it's the STO way to do things".

I think it comes down to that ultimately, choice, even before one reaches out for principles to try and categorize life events. And if one realizes that one isn't choosing, that it is something else that compels one to remain in a situation, or give in, or to walk away, then that's where you can exercise free will and begin to recognize it (or its lack) in another and act accordingly.

Put another way, it's like choricially honest people, who claim they uphold the truth as paramount, but in reality are simply excusing rudeness for instance. Not that truth isn't important, even brutal honesty, but it's the motivation for dispensing the truth that actually determines wether it is love for truth or love for the self that is at the core of this behavior, something similar might apply to ideas around violating free will.

The idea outlines the possibility of being a Service-to-Others (STO) candidate in a world dominated by Service-to-Self (STS) influences. The home is envisioned as a personal STO realm, a sanctuary where STO principles can be fully lived out. Within this space, personality is expressed, and relationships with partners, children, friends, and animals are shaped by free will and shared values, while resistance against the STS system is planned. Outside the home, life is governed by STS dynamics, but by adhering to the virtues outlined by Paul—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control—and avoiding vices such as immorality, debauchery, hostility, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, envy, drunkenness, self-conceit, provocation, and envy, the STO orientation can be actively represented in the external world. This conscious approach fosters a closer alignment with an STO-oriented life despite external STS influences.

I remember the list from BrendaH's session on May 18, 2019.

List of things to do in order to protect oneself against hyperdimensional manipulations and harm:

• Avoid dissociating and feeding negative thought loops: dissociating is being in a fantasy and not paying attention to reality. If you dissociate, you have negative thoughts that lead to negative thought loops.
• Diet: having a bad diet contributes to ingesting the chemicals that the STS forces wants us to ingest in order to poison us and mess up our antennae.
  • Is good to do intermittent fasting.
• Share impressions and troubles: thoughts, worries, fears, etc. Not doing this “dramatically changes the inner landscape and can even shut down the receptors so that you are more subject to STS manipulation of thoughts and feelings via mechanical means.”
• Make amends when possible to the wronged person, and when not possible making those amends to the world at large: in case that trying to make amends would make things worse we can achieve redemption by giving to the universe and others in need.
• Conserve energy and not feeding STS dynamics: STS uses many tricks and traps to suck people into negative dynamics so that they become food. When you become food, you're feeding the STS side and empowering it against not only your own best interests, but also against the best interests of STO itself. We have to be careful not to fall into the pity trap, they’ll try to make us feel guilty or sorry for them, and that makes us food. At the same time you're feeding your own ego because you feel like a savior or needed or like you'll get something. It's that dynamic of the feminine vampire.
  • We need to have the right feelings towards the right person in the right context.
• Connect with ancestors and honored saintly type people in 5D for protection: we should find out if we have any ancestors or deceased relatives or somebody who were good and decent people who one can talk to mentally or communicate with by writing letters to them, or dream communication, and ask them for protection. And if you can't find your ancestors, you have to find someone else's ancestors. You can hook up with somebody who has good ancestors, and their ancestors become your ancestors by you having shared realities.
• It would be good for certain people to guide the newly deceased: If there is somebody in your circle of acquaintances or group or whatever who is in the process of passing over or recently did pass over, you could in some way help guide them in the reality to which they may not be accustomed (obviously), but mainly because of their thought patterns during life.
• Use “the mirror” in a group situation as a way to bring people to full awareness of their reality: this should be handled carefully as many are not ready for that advanced work.
• Pray.
• Sing together: it has to be done with the right songs, getting an order of songs to sing in a certain order of a certain type. If everybody sings the same songs around the world, this would be like a limbic link up.
• Divination.
• Apostles Paul’s list of things to avoid and things to enhance:
  • Vices to avoid: fornication, licentiousness, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, envy, drunkenness. Self-conceit, provoking one another, and envy.
  • Virtues to enhance: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
  • It’s important to have in mind that “Whatsoever a man sows, that will he also reap”, and “let us not grow weary or lose heart." Most important to remember the "sowing" part in the context of your antennae and how your antennae determines your future. If you're not taking care of your inner landscape and the immediate world around you in terms of your group and your associations and so forth, you're screwing up your antenna and then you're going to have a bad future because your antenna will attract the wrong things.
• To do Eiriu Eolas together and crystals, etc.

 

[Alejo]

The idea outlines the possibility of being a Service-to-Others (STO) candidate in a world dominated by Service-to-Self (STS) influences. The home is envisioned as a personal STO realm, a sanctuary where STO principles can be fully lived out. Within this space, personality is expressed, and relationships with partners, children, friends, and animals are shaped by free will and shared values, while resistance against the STS system is planned. Outside the home, life is governed by STS dynamics, but by adhering to the virtues outlined by Paul—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control—and avoiding vices such as immorality, debauchery, hostility, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, envy, drunkenness, self-conceit, provocation, and envy, the STO orientation can be actively represented in the external world. This conscious approach fosters a closer alignment with an STO-oriented life despite external STS influences.

Perhaps, that is a possibility. But what I was aiming at was honesty about one's choices before one goes on to try to categorize them as such. It's like when the C's said "one does not eat chocolate because it's good for the stomach" one eats chocolate because of the reward, which speaks to what you're describing, a private life that may be ruled still by STS dynamics, even if seen as more or less harmless.

It's better, IMO, to be an honest STS denizen, than the same STS being with illusions of being STO. At least in honesty one can begin to see the path away from it as a potential, but if one already thinks oneself an STO being, then one is unlikely to ever consider changing anything in reality.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Does everyone think 4D STO principles are the same as 3D STO principles, or is that a meaningless distinction? If they're not the same thing, what makes networking and mental blocking, specifically, 4D STO principles?

 

[Nachtweide]

Perhaps, that is a possibility. But what I was aiming at was honesty about one's choices before one goes on to try to categorize them as such. It's like when the C's said "one does not eat chocolate because it's good for the stomach" one eats chocolate because of the reward, which speaks to what you're describing, a private life that may be ruled still by STS dynamics, even if seen as more or less harmless.

Does everyone think 4D STO principles are the same as 3D STO principles, or is that a meaningless distinction? If they're not the same thing, what makes networking and mental blocking, specifically, 4D STO principles?

I believe that honesty is the first foundation. To become honest, one needs knowledge (books, teachers, networks, mirrors...) and the courage to look at oneself without distorting reality. For my journey, Gurdjieff was the starting point, along with the work in this forum.
According to Gurdjieff's teachings, humanity is unaware of its "prison" – its mechanical nature. Without this realization, there is no drive to seek liberation. The prison consists of the inner "centers" (mind, emotions, body) that operate disharmoniously, as well as societal conditioning and false identifications with the "false self" (isolation, lack of a mirror). To "awaken," a person often needs an external teacher, a group (network...), or a teaching that reveals the reality of their imprisonment. Gurdjieff emphasized that self-knowledge rarely occurs spontaneously but is fostered through encounters with someone who is already "awake" or further along the path. Once one recognizes they are in prison, the "work on oneself" begins, which Gurdjieff describes as conscious effort (reflection). This includes self-remembering (the conscious awareness of one's being in the moment) and self-observation to break mechanical patterns. Courage, as discussed previously, plays a role here, as it requires courage (honesty) to accept the truth about one's unconsciousness and work on it.

Honesty: The Foundation of Truth​

Honesty begins within – with oneself and others. A STO-oriented person speaks the truth with compassion, without causing harm, and acts authentically to build trust. Honesty means taking responsibility for one’s thoughts, words, and actions, even when it’s uncomfortable. It is the key to strengthening relationships and being a role model for others.

Looking in the Mirror: Self-Reflection​

Self-reflection is the courage to honestly examine oneself – strengths as well as weaknesses. By looking into the mirror of our soul, we recognize where we can grow and learn to align our actions with the principles of love and unity. Daily reflection, whether through journaling, meditation, or quiet moments, helps us clarify our intentions and orient our actions toward STO values. Gurdjieff emphasized "self-remembering" and conscious work on oneself. In his system, courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to act authentically despite fear through self-observation and work on the inner "centers" (mind, emotions, body). Fear is seen as part of the "mechanical" nature of humanity, which can be transformed through conscious effort. For Gurdjieff, courage is thus a conscious act that acknowledges fear but is not determined by it.

Having a Good Role Model: Inspiration and Guidance​

A role model who embodies compassion, integrity, and selflessness shows us the path to a STO life. Whether a teacher, friend, or historical figure, such role models inspire us to transcend ourselves. They remind us that true greatness lies in serving others without self-interest. By emulating their values, we strengthen our own alignment with STO.

Network: Community as a Source of Strength​

A STO life thrives in a network of like-minded individuals who support and encourage one another. Such a network – whether family, friends, or a spiritual community – provides a space for exchange, mutual help, and collective growth. By openly sharing knowledge, resources, and love, we create an environment where both individuals and the collective can flourish.

Overcoming Mental Blockages: Freedom for the Soul​

Mental blockages, such as fears, doubts, or limiting beliefs, can hinder us from realizing our full STO potential. Overcoming these inner obstacles requires mindfulness and conscious effort, such as through meditation, conversations with trusted individuals, or learning new perspectives. By dissolving these blockages, we create space for clarity, compassion, and the freedom to serve others authentically. A STO-oriented approach means treating ourselves with the same love we offer others, thereby dismantling inner barriers.

My STO Path​

To live these principles, start with small steps:

• Honesty: Speak your truth respectfully and listen to others without judgment.
• Self-Reflection: Take time daily to examine your actions and ask, “Does this serve the good of all?”
• Role Models: Seek out people who live STO values and let their example guide you.
• Network: Build connections with those who share your vision of unity and service, and actively support them.
• Mental Blockages: Identify fears or limiting beliefs and consciously work to dissolve them through mindfulness or support.

my 2 cents....

 

[Fluffy]

Does everyone think 4D STO principles are the same as 3D STO principles, or is that a meaningless distinction? If they're not the same thing, what makes networking and mental blocking, specifically, 4D STO principles?

I think networking is most definitely a 4D STO principle as the group mind becomes more coherent and congruent and we learn to communicate via telepathy sharing ideas and strategies in a similar fashion as what is done on the forums.

As for mental blocking, though I don’t know, so just making assumptions, I am going to guess that in the lower octaves of 4D when one is still in the thousand year period of choosing either STS or STO that mental blocking would be even more important than it is now. Quite possibly mental blocking of some fashion is used by 4D STO to reject or deny advances from 4D STS, and may be then once the skills are honed, mental blocking looks more like using thoughts to create a physical shield or translocate or something else I don’t know how to do.

Then I suppose mental blocking would be used in 4D to protect someone else from reading your thoughts and feelings, or knowing your location.

 

[daddycat]

Does everyone think 4D STO principles are the same as 3D STO principles, or is that a meaningless distinction? If they're not the same thing, what makes networking and mental blocking, specifically, 4D STO principles?

I think there is a meaningful distinction. There was a distinction made between 6D STO and 4D STO in the context of protecting us. 6D STO was indirectly providing knowledge, and 4D STO could provide direct power.

Networking is the only 1 that is specifically named as a 4D STO principle.

 

[fifty_five]

Does everyone think 4D STO principles are the same as 3D STO principles, or is that a meaningless distinction? If they're not the same thing, what makes networking and mental blocking, specifically, 4D STO principles?

Orientation is not the result of speculation. In general, the principles are the same, what changes is the awareness therefore the perception of the real therefore the real. I think it's a matter of refining the distortions, the more aware you are the more they diminish. But this has nothing to do with normalizing evil. I mean it as a lightening of the drama, as a progressive purification from beliefs, closely related to comprehension.

 

[Wandering Star]

Does everyone think 4D STO principles are the same as 3D STO principles, or is that a meaningless distinction? If they're not the same thing, what makes networking and mental blocking, specifically, 4D STO principles?

The third density according to Ra (Law of One, LLresearch) is for the choice to be made.

We do not know of a third-density STO environment, but the achievement there would still be achieving the choice of the being.

Once the choice is made, in fourth density STO we work as a team, since everyone has the same energetic choice.

It seems that telepathy is common, so thought control or work about this will be normal.

So, when working As a team, networking would be, let's say, natural, and mind control to avoid attacks on us and other like-minded people would also be necessary.

A fourth-density candidate can join a like-minded group and begin to do this kind of thing, but I believe it would only be with people whose choice has practically been made.

In summary, given that in third density, both STO and STS, what is attempted is choice, networking and mental blockage would be something of fourth density or of candidates to the fourth density.

My idea about this.

 

[Pat]

I think that love for another is a real slippery slope. What defines giving love? Saying I love you to someone who didn’t ask for it to be said, even though they say it to you? Giving someone a birthday present who didn’t ask for gifts? Giving cash or food to a homeless person while they’re just sitting there doing nothing?

All of those things can be rejected of course and may be that’s where we cross the line of freewill, if we offer but they decline or we’ve specifically been told to take our love elsewhere.

I’m dealing with someone right now who has no idea where to start in trying to help them self with their illness. I offer suggestions of things to try without them asking, they can accept them or not, it’s up to them. Then on the flip side when they’re having an extra bad day I get scolded for not doing or caring enough, so I try harder to help, then I get scolded again about how I don’t care… and get told to leave them alone, so I do, only to get told I don’t care again, it keeps going around and around for the last 1.5 years.
Sometimes people have no idea what is or isn’t good for them and don’t have any effective ways in asking for help, love, care, support or whatever, just yell, demand, cry, try to blame others and totally dissociate . In my situation with said person I really don’t know what I’m supposed to do when they’re all over the place, so I keep on researching and offering advice anyhow, even when I get told to F off because I know next week I’ll get told that they think I don’t care.

I understand so well. I feel I am in the same situation.
That person can reproach of not being help one day and accuse the other of being selfish. Another day, it's all about not needing the help of another and that he is strong enough to deal with whatever comes his way, but so far not moving out of the said state of mind. The yo-yo situation is taxing on the one trying to help but at the same time there is so much to learn while standing, watching and questioning ourselves during that process.
In my case, I feel that I learned a lot. I am sometimes able to distance myself and understand that the other has his own path to follow and that maybe the situation is a necessary bad time for both of us to learn from.
I used to decide for the other person, making appointments, trying to find what could, would, should help and realising that I was projecting my wants to control the situation in order to feel more at peace. When that was understood, less conflicts happened, although I am a slow learner and have my own program too. But improvement could be seen by not intervening so much.

Free will is a difficult concept to catch. What if I do introspection and kind of understand but the other persons around, part of the circle feel hurt.
How to reason with the said person (mental STS challenges) and the others with the programming (should, could...) but still wanting to protect me?

 

[Fluffy]

I understand so well. I feel I am in the same situation.
That person can reproach of not being help one day and accuse the other of being selfish. Another day, it's all about not needing the help of another and that he is strong enough to deal with whatever comes his way, but so far not moving out of the said state of mind. The yo-yo situation is taxing on the one trying to help but at the same time there is so much to learn while standing, watching and questioning ourselves during that process.
In my case, I feel that I learned a lot. I am sometimes able to distance myself and understand that the other has his own path to follow and that maybe the situation is a necessary bad time for both of us to learn from.
I used to decide for the other person, making appointments, trying to find what could, would, should help and realising that I was projecting my wants to control the situation in order to feel more at peace. When that was understood, less conflicts happened, although I am a slow learner and have my own program too. But improvement could be seen by not intervening so much.

Free will is a difficult concept to catch. What if I do introspection and kind of understand but the other persons around, part of the circle feel hurt.
How to reason with the said person (mental STS challenges) and the others with the programming (should, could...) but still wanting to protect me?

I wonder and try to assess these same things too, so many what ifs. Knowing a little bit about freewill is helpful but only to the degree of whose freewill, it’s my freewill to want to help and his to reject me and succumb to his illness eventually, then my freewill doesn’t want to let that happen because I believe there are things that can be done to prevent and even heal the disease, but his freewill has the ultimate say in the situation- which frustrates the hell outta me.

I wonder to myself why I want to control the situation. I know that I take charge because he’s not doing much to help himself and I wonder if me doing that is part of his lesson profile because there is no one else who is offering any kind of help, he’s always been so resistant to me in every area of our lives yet he’s semi- relying on me to fix everything for him. I’m talking about my partner and kid’s dad of 28 years. He’s never listened to anything I had to say and thought my ideas are stupid, but now he’s desperate and trying some of the things I suggest, though it seems futile to him because because nothing is working, he wants it fixed now and that’s when he gets frustrated with me because there’s no magic bullet for him. I think there is, but convincing him to see a trauma specialist is way outta my league, and his, though I have suggested it. I’m not going to keep pressing the issue at this point because I’ve laid it all out on the table and now it’s really up to him. If I come accross new info I’ll suggest it to him but I think I’ve gone as far as I can go and now I have to just sit back and watch. Sadly, I think I’ll be watching him deteriorate to the point where it’s gone too far and coming back from there will take way more effort than he’s capable of. I hope he surprises me, and that’s all I can do, have hope and at the same time prepare myself that I’ll either have to care for him or choose to leave.

I really don’t know where STO or STS principles fit into this, does trying to save him so his kids can have their dad point as STO? Probably not, it’s most likely part of their lesson profile too. May be having to care for him as he declines is part of my lesson profile. I don’t think walking away is the right thing to do but history tells me otherwise, there’s been a lot of mistreatment and misunderstanding… so very tricky to figure out what ‘ to have love (knowledge) for another’ looks like in conflicting and challenging situations like these ones… I feel deep conflict.

You’ve done well to distance some of your emotions from your person. As a parent that must be one of the most difficult things, when you know that if he took your advice he’d probably eventually make a full recovery.
I feel for you. It’s likely the hardest thing you’ll ever have to though.

 

[Deliverance]

August 11, 1996 Laura,

Q: (L) Is anticipation the act of assuming you know how something is going to happen?

A: Follows realization, generally, and unfortunately for you, on 3rd density.

Q: (L) Is this a correct assessment of this process?

A: Both examples given are correct. You see, once anticipation enters the picture, the intent can no longer be STO.

Q: (L) Anticipation is desire for something for self. Is that it?

A: Yes.

 

[Menna]

What are 4D STO principles?


Networking is a 4D STO principle explicitly stated by the Cs.


Mental blocking is a 4D principle.


Going with the natural flow is a STO tendency.


Expansion of being is a STO tendency.


Free will is not straightforward. Determining the needs of another is not STO.

However, maybe 4D STO can protect us from 4D STS attacks and thereby violate the free will of 4D STS?




Answering calls for assistance with knowledge is STO. Abduction is not STO.


Anticipation seems to have a place in preparation and defense.


Sense of humor is STO impulse.

What is an example of mental blocking how does that actually play out in one’s body and in reality?

 

[Nachtweide]

What is an example of mental blocking how does that actually play out in one’s body and in reality?

In the sense of Gurdjieff, a mental blockade refers to obstacles in consciousness that prevent a person's awakening and self-realization. Gurdjieff taught that humans live in a state of "sleep"—an unconscious, mechanical state in which they are governed by automatic reactions, habits, and external influences. Mental blockades are internal barriers that prevent one from recognizing and overcoming this state.A central concept in this context is that of buffers. Gurdjieff describes buffers as psychological mechanisms that serve to conceal or mitigate inner contradictions and conflicts within a person. They act like shock absorbers, preventing one from consciously perceiving discrepancies between their beliefs, actions, and inner states. Buffers protect the ego and the illusion of a unified self, but they simultaneously keep the person trapped in the state of sleep.

Characteristics of Buffers:

1. Suppression of Contradictions: Buffers prevent one from noticing conflicts between different aspects of personality (e.g., between what one believes and how one acts). For example, someone who considers themselves honest but lies in certain situations without consciously reflecting on it.
2. Automatic Reactions: They promote mechanical behavior by cushioning uncomfortable feelings such as guilt, shame, or fear.
3. Illusion of Unity: Buffers support the false notion that a person has a unified, coherent self, although Gurdjieff taught that humans consist of many fragmented "I"s.

Mental Blockades and Buffers in Everyday Life
A mental blockade might manifest when someone is unable to critically question their own behavioral patterns or ways of thinking. Buffers reinforce this by providing rationalizations or excuses to avoid uncomfortable truths. For example, someone who repeatedly enters destructive relationships might be prevented by buffers from recognizing their own patterns, as these buffers project responsibility outward (e.g., "Others are to blame")

Overcoming According to Gurdjieff
To overcome mental blockades, Gurdjieff emphasized the necessity of self-observation and self-remembering. This means becoming aware of how buffers operate and examining one's inner contradictions without self-deception. Through practices such as the "Fourth Way" teachings , a person can begin to dismantle buffers and develop higher consciousness.

In summary
According to Gurdjieff, mental blockades are obstacles to awakening, while buffers are the psychological mechanisms that sustain these blockades by concealing inner conflicts. Overcoming them requires conscious work on oneself to recognize and dissolve these mechanisms.

 

[Fluffy]

What is an example of mental blocking how does that actually play out in one’s body and in reality?

Mental blocking could be making a choice to stay in control of emotions in an argument, or remaining calm in a traffic jam. Craving a piece of chocolate cake when everyone at the party is eating some but deciding not to based on knowledge about what it’s made from. Mental blocking could also be feeling lazy and not wanting to work out, but instead of doing nothing you choose to go for a walk instead. I can think of hundreds of similar examples.

Mental blocking would involve intentionally directing negative thoughts about self or others into something affirming and positive, or resisting an urge to dissociate by doing something like a meditation or reading or helping someone else.

 

[Maya]

For @Pat and @Fluffy

I know what you are dealing with. There is a great resemblance with my situation.
You want to give your best and actually respect their boundaries and free will but they are
very unmature and without basic responsibility so all they do is manipulation, ackting up and chaos.

My partner is dismisive avoidant with a lot of narcissistic traits.
And realationship with that kind of person was in constant push/pull dinamics.
I didn't realise until 4 years (and we are married for 18) that basicaly - I'm just food source for him.
He doesn't want to see himself, be honest, every other word is a lie,
tries to manipulate and use everyone around and he is always a vicitim.

You are stupid, nagging, not giving him space, anoying...
They do not know how to give, even less to recieve, dont want connection, growth, any kind of change or improvement.
Just you to let them be their way in safe distance, unless something unpleasent changes for them (illnes,..)
Then they are victims again and then they will only accept something from you (not cause they care or respect or love you)
but for their pure survival.

Every other time they will comepletly ignore you exictence and every other need as human being.
It is extremly difficult when someone you love is like that and you see there is no way of changing their heart.

The point is - you have to put very firm boundaries if you have no means to leave physicaly.
Stop being food source for them. No more blaming mind games (mindfuck !) of any kind. Enough.
Protect yourself. Everything you offered out of love and understanding has been rejected. Right ?
Like Cass said - you work for you, not against them.
Although they will definitly try to manipulate you that you are the heartless and selfish one when you cut of they 'food' supply.

This is probably the hardest STO : STS basic drill we could have here on 3D.
Do not feed on others and do not let yourself be food. At least - try.
Until we find physical exit way out of that dinamic.
Save yourself and just let them.
I pray with all my heart we all succide in that as soon as possible.


Sorry for 'offtopic' guys