Transcript
Zakrutui Pokaz ‘The Closed Viewing’ September, 12th, 2008. The Channel One, Moscow
Transcript: 14.09.2008
Terry Meyssan: "I can not enter any NATO country"
Guilietto Chiesa: " The film had not been permitted In America, in Italy only 30 thousand persons have seen it.
ALEXANDER GORDON: the Channel One welcomes you in studio of the program "Closed display". My name is Alexander Gordon.
Today our program is unusual. I will tell you, that it is the special issue devoted to one seven year old event, and nevertheless, neither pain of loss, nor horror in front of perpetrated […][ does not leave our world at all.
Discussion prior demonstration of the film
I speak, of course, about tragedy which had happened on September, 11th, 2001 in Manhattan, New York. Seven years had passed, official investigations of the commission had been completed, but more and more questions are coming. Who actually had made it? For whom is it necessary? Who are those people who have carried out this act of terrorism? Today we will see Guilietto Chiesa’s film which is called ‘9/11. Investigation from Zero Point’, which is offering distinct from official version of this tragedy. Believe us, we sincerely grieve and we remember those who lost their lives on that terrible day, and we are absolutely convinced, that our attempt to find the truth, whatever it would be, cannot offend their memory. Allow me to present you now the creatorr of this film.
A French Journalist, writer, Terry Meyssan who was the first person who doubted the official version of investigation. He had written a book, and some strange history in your life further emerged, do I understand correctly?
TERRY MEYSSAN, a journalist, writer, and author of the book ‘September, 11th, 2001. Monstrous fraud’:
Everything was somehow turned over at first. I was popular enough person in France and suddenly I became the enemy number one. My book was a success in all Mediterranean countries. In the United States the answer was unexpected and sharp enough: I was banned from participating in TV programs on the US territory, and the State department of the United States had forbidden my entry into the States. And then madam Condoleeza Rice had declared that I was the first source of disinformation in the world. And [coming] from her, to me it sounded as a compliment. And an extensive propaganda, an entire company also had begun around me.
I live in the Near East, I have left France, and I cannot enter any NATO country because the NATO authorities, the NATO establishment considers, that I am, so to say, a safety threat for the United States in the world.
A.GORDON: A publicist, journalist, writer, deputy of EuroParliament, creator of this film Guilietto Chiesa. The first question. Was your film shown in America?
GUILIETTO CHIESA, journalist, deputy of EuroParliament, creator of a documentary ‘9/11. Investigation from zero Point’:
No.
A.GORDON: Why?
GUILIETTO CHIESA: We have tried to find any distributor – and haven’t found. But I even can tell, had not found in Italy. The film has been shown in October of last year at the international Festival in Rome with the big success. Practically all critics saw the film and wrote positively. But right after that some articles appeared, similar to Meyssan’s story, ‘Coriere Della Sera’, ‘La Repubblica’ especially, very poignantly attacked me personally: not my theses, but me personally. It was a personal charge, a personal insult. And after that we have not found any distributor of our film in Italy. We have organised this display ourselves, for today about 30 thousand persons more or less saw the film in Italy, but cinema in general… only small cinema have shown [it].
A.GORDON: Guilietto, well, here now Russian public, Russians will see this film. Would you not like? You have a rare possibility, which does not always happen to creators of a film, to fore-open the viewing by a few very important words. What should we pay attention to? Why it is important to you? What do you expect from viewing eventually?
GUILIETTO CHIESA: An incentive reason - is as Terry told, we with him have understood at once, that the official version could not hold any criticism, so to speak. This simply official investigation does not give an answer to numerous questions. And as we have understood – I have understood and also my friends have understood – that on September, 11th, there was an incredible turnover of history, and not just... We have understood that those, who [exactly are they] is unimportant, those who have organized here this tragedy under the pretext of a world performance, knew perfectly, that have occurred in the world. They knew beforehand, their level of information is very high, their means are the most powerful. They have won.
I expected right after that there will be an attack on Iraq. And nobody was thinking yet, that they attack Iraq, and I knew, that they attack, because it was obvious, it was a strategy. And thus I have told, I think, it is necessary to tell it here, but to tell this in words is impossible. The September, 11th to tell in words is impossible, because all of us saw with our eyes, and we all, 2 billion people had an impression, that they saw the truth. And thus I with my friends have decided to tell anew the September, 11th with shots. A film. A unique possibility to reopen the truth, is to show because of this film.
A.GORDON: Let's see Guilietto Chiesa’s film together.
When we will return – a very tough discussion awaits for us as both those whom the official version of the government of the USA suits quite well as well as supporters of the new version, that is version of Guilietto Chiesa, gathered in studio.
DISCUSSION AFTER THE FILM
A.GORDON: In studio of ‘The Closed Viewing’ we are discussing film by Guilietto Chiesa ‘9/11. Investigation from Zero Point’ which just ended. In the film the official version is subjected to proved or not doubts. But in a film nowhere, and I watched it attentively almost two times, yes? ,is directly affirmed that the organizer and the customer of acts of terrorism was the Government of the United States of America, the Congress of the United States of America, a certain dark entity on the territory of the United States of America, foreign Consul no a word about it. I ask you a question, lords, who had made it?
ALEXEY PUSHKOV, the author of the program "Postscriptum", the director of the Institute of vital international problems at the Diplomatic Academy: You know, after all there are many structures in the United States which work out of visibility field. And I do not even think, that an establishment of the Special Services was engaged and so on. Who has killed, has organized the murder of Kennedy?
A.GORDON: I do not know.
A.PUSHKOV: I do not know either And nobody knows for certain. That means, there was a group of very influential people, very serious, for whom that was necessary. Therefore I think that’s why exactly we have received this official version, that these people have made in such a manner, that nobody could grasp it.
A.GORDON: So, on the territory of the United States of America a certain powerful organization operates which is beyond the government and the White house [level].
A.PUSHKOV: Absolutely unnecessary. It could be the group in which members of the government, Bush's administration participated. And the president could not have known about it personally, for example.
A.GORDON: It very much reminds about Masonic stuff.
A.PUSHKOV: No. And Masonic affairs [what have to do with this]? The certain goal is set up: to create a critical mass of public opinion in favour of military actions in the Middle East and this goal is being achieved.
A.GORDON: That is - did I understand correctly - I will sum up now for a second, that there is a certain group of people in the United States of America...
A.PUSHKOV: It is not, it has gathered on this occasion.
A.GORDON: Has gathered on this occasion. But nevertheless this group holds the strategic plans of development of the foreign policy of the United States of America and, as a consequence, behavior of America in the world, and therefore its well-being too. And this group, having gathered for some short time, has decided that a turn to start something that would untie America’s hands had come?
A.PUSHKOV: Yes.
A.GORDON: I understood, yes. There are opponents of this opinion.
IRINA ZVJAGELSKAYA, the principal researcher of the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences: Even if we accept a myth, that AdHoc group could gather in the United States, so to speak, unexpectedly, to kill three thousand its own citizens to become then stuck in Afghanistan, and then - in Iraq, and then - to bring down its own economy… do you understand, there is no logic here. It is impossible. Even if we imagine, that, in general, in the democratic state we can disagree with the results of conclusions of this commission. Well, certainly, we can disagree: someone was rescuing a uniform, someone was explaining why he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, was not there, has left to summer residence and so on. It is all, I cannot understand that three thousand persons were lost simply because someone needed to enter Afghanistan.
A.GORDON: It’s clear. Now-now-now. It’s not for nothing that two more persons are sitting here together with authors of the film. One of them is Leonid Ivashov, the author of article ‘Global provocation’ which actually partially entered the film as a documentary material.
Leonid IVASHOV, the president of Academy of Geopolitical Problems, retired General-Colonel of the Russian Army: Understand, to accuse here only Americans and even Administration that is, by the way, not present in the film, someone from Americans speaks there about their government. But we do understand completely, that there are forces of transnational, transcontinental character which can order this action, and pay for that.
A.GORDON: I understand nothing.
L.IVASHOV: Well, for example, what is a global drug mafia? An annual turnover of drug mafia, you only ponder, is one triillion dollars. What is the shadow world financial system when there are 360, 370 families which supervise up to 40 percent, and today it is considered even more, of world’s finances? That is, here is who really could order [that]. Who could be an executor? Today we know about private military corporations, there are more than 200, their annual turnover is about 250 billion dollars. But less is written about Special Services’ private corporations. And thus only these people in a combination [with] private military corporations and Special Services’ private corporations, could execute this action.
‘Al Qaeda’, you know, is generally a primitive organization, but spilled all over the world. Special Services of all countries strictly observe Al-Qaeda cells, and first of all from the Islamic world. And even in Saudi Arabia they are under the control. And to organize here an operation having [at disposal] these diverse, primitive enough forces, such an operation, which as though has turned development of mankind in other direction, is impossible.
A.GORDON: Special Services of the USA and the government of the USA were well informed? In all details.
L.IVASHOV: I think, no. President did not know, maybe, someone in administration could be involved through former colleagues who are in private corporations. Just as Fon Buroff, author of one of interesting books, in my opinion, writes, that 32 governmental services should have operated synchronously. That means people should be inserted there, or be present there, or be paid for that somewhere.
A.GORDON: And ‘Al-Qaeda is incapable of doing so, from your point of view?
L.IVASHOV: Yes, without any doubt, they can not do that.
A.GORDON: Thanks. I wish to present one more person who appeared among authors and that too was not casual, Vitaly Tretjakov. The first Russian journalist, which has seen this film, and thanks to his diligence in many respects [film] is now in Russia and we even see it on the Channel One.
VITALY TRETJAKOV, the editor-in-chief of magazine ‘Political Class’, the dean of faculty ‘TV Higher School’ of the Moscow State University: And a question about the one who is the organizer of events on September, 11th, is a question of a belief. For a long time I work as a political journalist, as a political analyst, and I have to tell, that in the politics everything is possible. Something that seems in a ordinary life impossible, if to start with moral [standards], and norms of an ordinary life, here in the politics everything is possible. This is the first, that calls the official version into question. I do not trust much even to our own government, anyway not always and not in everything, and especially I do not have any basis to trust the American government. Further I am afraid, that I am one of the few persons in this audience who actually did read the report of the National commission on investigation of terrorist attacks on the USA on 11th of September 2001. But I assure you, Guilietto knows, that this is a work of art, it is a novel. I can simply quote places which would be impossible to name differently but as a fiction, and a postmodernist one. That is, after having read this book, in a Russian translation it had been released in 2004, I have understood especially, that it [presents] not an objective analysis of what has occurred. And the third [thing]. In the physics it is known, that experiment is valid if any other researcher can repeat it. I address those who sit here in this studio, representatives of Special Services, former or current. Tell us please here, that Special Service in which you work or any other special service of the world, can it organize similar act of terrorism? Is it basically capable to reproduce, to repeat it? I understand that it is an awful experiment, the second one, and it would be good if it was not. But until any other Special Service will carry out similar in effect - level of accuracy, scale of operation, I will not believe, that it has been perpetrated by a handful of19 or even 119 representatives of al-Qaeda’