A family brawl at Disneyland (Video: bad language)

Strategic Enclosure, as I said, doing genealogy, hands on, getting into the actual records, has been an eye-opening experience for me. And I mean things like censuses, wills, court records from the very earliest times of colonial America. Things could have gone a very different way if that 1% hadn't stepped in and subverted everything.

One of the first "servant rebellions" was a group of indentured servants in Gloucester Co VA in 1663!!! See here: Gloucester County Conspiracy (1663)

The reason I became interested in this was because the conspiracy was hatched on the plantation of a distant Knight relation, Peter Knight of Gloucester.

At that point in time, Africans were also "indentured servants" and earned their freedom just like white indentured servants. Many of them did so, acquired their own plantations and "indentured servants", and so forth.

As for the mixing up of races in America, that's another thing that comes across clearly in the records. What is interesting is that it was more often white women with African men than white masters taking advantage of African girls. That's something that comes across in DNA for genealogy work. For example, not to go too far off topic, I present here the case of John Bunch, one of my ancestors. Pay particular attention to the 1705 court case and my comments about it:

John Bunch
First mention of a Jno. Bunch is in Nugent:

3 Mar 1656 - Land patent of a Mr. Gervase Dodson for 600 acs. In Lancaster Co. for trans. Of 12 pers: Jno. Glandfeild, Jno. Newman, Tho. Blackborne, Walter Sparr, Wm. Greenhoure, Wm. Watts, Wm. Smoocker, Eliz. Hopkins, Abra. Watson, Tho. Priors, Jno. Bunch, Tho. Habe (or Hake). (p. 343)

If he came as an indentured servant, he was probably a young lad, possibly 16 years old, thus born about 1637. (Land patents were usually recorded about 3 years after actual importation and settling.) Six years after the above patent, probably 9 years after arrival (1653), he patents his own land in New Kent Co. He is about 25 at this time and has probably married and started a family. He may have settled on his land earlier than the patent date (as was generally the case), his first child may have been born as early as 1659:

18 Mar 1662John Bunch, 450 acs. New Kent Co., … On both sides of Rickahock Path, beg. By Burchen Sw., running W. N. W. &C to land of Mr. Richard Barnehouse, thence E.N.E. &C. Granted to Thomas Merreday 25 Feb. 1658, by him sold to Phillip Freeman, who assigned to sd. Bunch. (p. 470)

22 Mar 1666 – Land patent of a Ralph & Tho. Blag (Blagg), 209 acs. W’moreland Co., … by lands of Major Underwood and Thomas Johnson. 100 acs. Granted to Blag 23 Sept 1654, 109 acs. Due for trans. Of 3 pers: Wm. Bunch, Sarah Wells, Mary Jones. (p. 546)

If this William Bunch is related to Immigrant John Bunch (1637), he could be a younger brother or cousin following a similar trajectory. However, I don’t find other references to him elsewhere. He may have died young. My guess is that he is a son of John Bunch (1637) whose name has been lent for headright purposes as a favor or for remuneration. (Common practice.)

1 Apr. 1671 – Land patent of a Mr. Leonard Clayborne, 3000 acs. (New Kent Co.) No. Side of Mattapony Riv on upper side of Doctor Moody… trans. Of 60 pers. Incl. Jeremiah Bunch. (p. 92 vol. 2)

The same situation appears to be the case with Jeremiah Bunch. He appears and then disappears. Again, one suspects that he is being “loaned” to Mr. Clayborne for headrights since he does appear in New Kent Co. where John Bunch is located. It appears to have been rather common for friends and relatives to “lend” themselves to be used as headrights as a favor or even for private remuneration of some sort. If that was the case, both William Bunch, above, and Jeremiah Bunch, could have been children, brothers, or cousins of John who simply did not live long enough to make additional marks in the records (which are not perfect in the first place).

20 Sept. 1683 – Land patent of Col. Edward Hill, 2717 acs. In New Kent & Rappa. Co.’s: on brs. Of Mattopony & Piscadeway Cr. … trans of 55 pers: Jon. Burch (or Bunch). Also includes Jon. Pride. (p. 268 vol. 2)

Again, this could be a “borrowing” of a name for headright purposes. Quite often, when this is done, names are spelled slightly differently from one patent to another. In this case, we know that John Jr. is in his 20s, at least so could have simply served an indenture.

The next record poses some problems. John Bunch Immigrant would be too old to be in the militia in 1702 – aged about 65 – so this must be John Bunch II, born around 1660. That he is designated as “Sr” suggests that he is married and has a John Bunch Jr son, and that his father is dead.

4 July 1702Virginia’s Colonial Soldiers of New Kent Co: John Bunch, Sr. (Records relating to Virginia in the Public Record Office, London. English Duplicates of Lost Virginia Records)

The next record shows two Bunch men in New Kent Co, both owning land parcels of 100 acres each.

1704 – Quit Rent Roll shows John Bunch, New Kent Co. 100 acs. Paul Bunch, New Kent Co. 100 acs. (English Duplicates of Lost Virginia Records)

We know that John Bunch I patented 450 acres and we haven’t yet found patents for any of his sons, so this must be the same land divided amongst his offspring suggesting four of them, i.e. the above mentioned William and Jeremiah added to John and now Paul. But, we only see two offspring, so perhaps two of the sons have died, as I already suggested, and their land was sold or went to their widows.

The next record is a puzzle. The first issue is: which John Bunch? We know it must be the John Bunch of New Kent because the mentioned parish served that county. We know that John Bunch has patented land in the county and that he his sons apparently have received inheritance of this land. We have estimated dates of birth of John, Immigrant, and his son John, now apparently known as John Sr., and it does not seem that the John in question in this following record could be the John born (est.) 1690, who would have been only 15 years old in 1705, so it must be John, the son of John, Immigrant; that is, John born est. 1659/60 who probably had brothers: William, Jeremiah and Paul. Here is the record:

5 Sep 1705 – Volume III, pages 28 and 31 of the Executive Journals of the Council of Colonial Virginia (May 1, 1705--October 23, 1721) Published by The Virginia State Library:

Page 28,
" The Petition of John BUNCH and Sarah SLAYDEN praying that the minister of Blissland Parish may be ordered to publish the Banns between the Petitioners in order to their marriage, whether he hath hitherto refused on PRETENSE OF THE SAID BUNCH's being a Mulatto, was read, and referred to Attorney General to report his opinion whether the Petitioners case be within the intent of the Law to prevent Negros & White persons intermarrying to ye next meeting of the Council.

The proceedings of the Council yesterday and this day was read over and approved."

Page 31:

"Upon perusal of a Petition of John Bunch & Sarah Slayden to his Excellency Edw Nott Esq. and upon perusal of an Act of Assembly of this Colony entitled an Act for suppressing Outlying Slaves; I am of opinion & do conceive that ye said Act being Penal is Coercive or restrictive no further then the very letter thereof, and being wholly unacquainted with the Appellations given to ye issue of such mixtures, cannot resolve whether the issue begotten on a White woman by a Mulatto man can properly be called a Mulatto, that name as I conceive being only appropriated to the Child of a Negro man begotten upon a white woman, or by a white man upon a negro woman, and as I am told the issue of a Mulatto by or upon a white Person has another name viz that of, Mustee; whether is so, I conceive it wholly out of the Letter (tho it may be conjectured to be within ye intent) of the said Act. That which (as above being Penal) is, as I conceive not to be construed beyond ye letter thereof. Upon consideration of which Report, and that the Petitioners Case is matter of Law, it is therefore ordered that the Petition of the said Bunch and Slayden be referred till next General Court for M Attorney to argue the reasons of his opinion before his Excellency and ye Council."

The justice apparently knows a great deal more about the case than we do and the issue appears to be one of nomenclature. He appears to be arguing that the John Bunch in question, known to him, is a son of a white woman and a mulatto man and therefore cannot be mulatto himself, but rather “Mustee”. That tells us that the John Bunch in question must have been born of a father known to be Mulatto, that is, John Bunch, Immigrant. If John Bunch, Immigrant, was Mulatto, there are two possibilities: “a Mulatto, that name as I conceive being only appropriated to the Child of a Negro man begotten upon a white woman, or by a white man upon a negro woman,”

According to the Bunch DNA project through WorldFamilies.net, the male ancestral line of John Bunch, born circa 1630, arrived in Virginia circa 1651, antecedent of Henry Bunch, born circa 1695, died 1775 in Bertie County, North Carolina, belong to Haplogroup E1B1a, denoting African descent on the male line which excludes a white father and African mother; his father or grandfather was African.

Thus, it appears that John Bunch, Immigrant, was of mixed race. What is not known is whether or not he was first or second generation Mulatto. And what is certainly true is that he was not “John Punch” who was sentenced in 1640 to serve “for the remainder of his life” for running away to Maryland. This was the first legal sanctioning of slavery in the colonies since Punch had come, undoubtedly, as a regular indentured servant, most of whom were white. John Punch ceased being an indentured servant and was condemned to slavery, as he was sentenced to "serve his said master or his assigns for the time of his natural Life."

We note that John Punch was described as a Negro, not a Mulatto, and John Bunch II, in the petition, is described as the son of a Mulatto and a white woman and therefore not a Mulatto himself, technically, thus, John Bunch, Immigrant, was Mulatto and the legal situation surrounding John Punch makes it extremely unlikely that a son of his would have been imported to Lancaster County so easily. There was a Bunch family (probably several) in England and the likely origin of John Bunch, Immigrant, is that a daughter of a Bunch family living in Barbados or one of the islands populated by English Immigrants at the time (many), had a child by an African and the child was raised in his English family and then encouraged to sign on as an indentured servant to the colonies to start a new life. That scenario better explains the ease with which John Bunch made his way, serving his indenture, patenting land, etc. The story about John Punch being transformed to John Bunch is just extremely unlikely. (Don’t believe everything you read on Wikipedia.)

Getting back to the petition, it seems to me that it was one made by a mature man, seeking to marry a second time, and having the confidence of one who has not only been successful in life, but has served in the Militia which service extended his network of relationships that he may have established by lending his sons as “headrights” to various friends. I haven’t seen any follow-up to this petition, but if I had to guess, based on the very favorable attitude of Justice Nott, I expect it was granted. John Bunch II (now known as Sr) and Sarah Slayden probably married and there may even have been more children than the four already suggested in the records, i.e. John, William, Jeremiah and Paul (Paul and John appear to be well supported by documentation but little on Jeremiah and William).
 
I had another thought or two about something I wrote above:

The Cs said that Africans and Native Americans were more "in tune" with the frequency of this planet and if so, that would be a beneficial effect of some racial mixing.

It now occurs to me that this could be a negative thing when the planet is under extreme stress. In other words, actions/behavior of Africans and Native Americans could be heavily affected by this, sort of like "the canary in the coal mine". We could be witnessing early manifestations of what may become way more widespread.
 
It now occurs to me that this could be a negative thing when the planet is under extreme stress. In other words, actions/behavior of Africans and Native Americans could be heavily affected by this, sort of like "the canary in the coal mine". We could be witnessing early manifestations of what may become way more widespread.
Agreed Laura. I may be reading too much into this, but I think we might be witnessing a rebellion of planet earth as the genuinely feminine (as opposed to feminism mind you). In his late writings Jung predicted something like this, and it got him scared IIRC.
 
That must have been quite some feast for 4D STS!
Watching this video reminded me of some video from India. I think It is more of resource battle rather than genetic, though stereo typing across caste lines does exist.
Generalizing across wide diverse population is problematic. Aggressiveness can be covert or overt. According to some studies, Trauma can last up to for 3 generations if not intervened. So, habits can last for long time. This also reminds me of quote that I thought interesting from David Riech's book "Who We Are and How We Got Here – Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past".
Wade is far from the only person who is convinced he knows the truth about the differences among populations. At the same 2010 meeting on “DNA, Genetics, and the History of Mankind” at which I first met Wade, I heard a rustling behind my shoulder and
turned with a shock to see James Watson, who in 1953 codiscovered the structure of DNA. Watson had until a few years earlier been the director of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory at which the meeting was held. A century ago, the laboratory was the epicenter of the eugenics movement in the United States, keeping records on traits in many people to help guide selective breeding, and lobbying for legislation that was passed in many states to sterilize people considered to be defective and to combat a perceived degradation of the gene pool. It was ironic, then, that Watson was forced to retire as head of Cold Spring Harbor after being quoted in an interview with the British Sunday Times newspaper as having said that he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa,” adding that “[all] our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours—whereas all the testing says not really.”44 (No genetic evidence for this claim exists.) When I saw Watson at Cold Spring Harbor, he leaned over and whispered to me and to the geneticist Beth Shapiro, who was sitting next to me, something to the effect of “When are you guys going to figure out why it is that you Jews are so much smarter than everyone else?” He then said that Jews and Indian Brahmins were both high achievers because of genetic advantages conferred by thousands of years of natural selection to be scholars. He went on to whisper that Indians in his experience were also servile, much like he thought they had been under British colonialism, and he speculated that this trait had come about because of selection under the caste system. He also talked about how East Asian students tended to be conformist, because of selection for conformity in ancient Chinese society.
Again Smartness can be for good or bad along a spectrum.
 
I read once that in Chinese writing, the figure for woman, when doubled means gossip and when tripled means quarrel. Indian water fight reminds me of that.
 
While the Disney vid was distressing to watch, the one you posted seek10 kinda had me chuckling. Probs wouldn’t wanna get caught in the middle of the two ladies having the yelling match, but it seemed to be just that - a lot of yelling and arm waving. Like you said though, aggression can be overt and covert, and both types when taken to the extreme, can be equally damaging.
 
I read once that in Chinese writing, the figure for woman, when doubled means gossip and when tripled means quarrel. Indian water fight reminds me of that.

I think the double one means "bicker, quarrel", and the triple one "adultery, debauchery", FWIW. But it's funny that you mention if because recently there seems to have been a proliferation of sites claiming that many Chinese characters are sexists, other can be used to "empower" women, etc. It's ridiculous if you ask me. About half the terms with the element "female" in it have positive connotations, and the others are more negative or neutral. And it has nothing to do with hatred towards women! There is a similar debate about gendered languages (with male, femal and neuter nouns), but this stuff about Chinese is quite new I think, and more ricidulous because we're talking about VERY old characters. Each "radical" (like the figure of a woman, man, etc.) form hundreds of words. The meaning has been washed out quite a lot, and today they are more like "letters", except that they form ideograms instead of words, and that they carry meaning (can be words by themselves) if taken separately.
 
While the Disney vid was distressing to watch, the one you posted seek10 kinda had me chuckling. Probs wouldn’t wanna get caught in the middle of the two ladies having the yelling match, but it seemed to be just that - a lot of yelling and arm waving. Like you said though, aggression can be overt and covert, and both types when taken to the extreme, can be equally damaging.
Glad it made you chuckle. During my childhood, these water battles are rather common, though they are not this extreme. some times, these water 'arguments' are used to be alarm clock to wake up from sleep. Generally men doesn't get involved in these water arguments, but children can get involved due to the natural affinities. I never liked these noisy arguments though these are common. These things generally doesn't create a long term grudges against one another, though it can be topic of "gossip" of women who happens to be house wifes and have enough time after husband and children leaves the house for the day.
 
That must have been quite some feast for 4D STS!
Its the ones enjoying Disney Land I'd be most concerned about... Viscerally speaking, in such an environment, reacting violently is quite a healthy reaction.
My wife and I went to Disneyland last year (it’s only 10 miles from where we live and we’ve been going since we were in strollers. We’ve even had season passes some years)
I'm a little frightened to ask; but since your last visited last year, and since joining the forum the year prior to that, do you still get the urge to visit Disney Land again?
I think the "illusion" had already been smashed. If I was head of security, some people would be fired for that performance. I mean, what exactly are they being paid to do?
He who's employment prospects are drawn to a cesspool of insidious falsehoods with an unmistakable whiff of pedophilia hanging in the air, isn't going to be the full biscuit.
 
I had a co-worker who always bragged about how he sued his employer for 10k dollars in a civil rights case, when he came to work hung-over. He even carried a news clipping of his suit.

And I went to lunch with him and another co-worker, and I was embarrassed by his loud, boisterous, profane voice in the restaurant, I wanted to leave, but I kept thinking, surely they will shut-up - but they didn't.

So, this guy has a chip on his shoulder, and knows that he can sue, and probably has a lawyers business card in his wallet, and everywhere he goes his attitude is to push the limits of decency in hopes that he will be victimized, and then he can call his lawyer, and sue.

So, civil rights protects people, but some people manipulate it towards their ends. And public displays work towards getting a free meal, ect. Or legal issues. And I wonder if Disney is being shaken down with blackmail, and if they don't pay a civil rights group, more incidents will occur.

It reminds me of the Chuck E Cheese YouTube's... Maybe those were PR shakedowns too.
 
In this Chuck E Cheese video, it looks like a distraction, to pickpocket...


I ate a lot of Cinnamon Toasties watching these!
 
I remember reading a theory some years ago about an alphabet soup agency testing a frequency weapon on people. It was said to make them disrupt into violence. Supposedly was used in Rwanda. Anyway, some of these recent little uprisings bring it to mind. There is lately talk of intimately focused signals, what with new telephone technology and all. It does seem like people are having their strings pulled or buttons pushed. And definitely their hair pulled!
 
I'm a little frightened to ask; but since your last visited last year, and since joining the forum the year prior to that, do you still get the urge to visit Disney Land again?

Honestly I’ve had no desire to go there for many years now. It’s been that way for at least the last decade. It’s my wife who wishes to relive her memories of the Magic Kingdom. I’ve seen the skull beneath the skin so to speak, and I’m fine if I never return.
 

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