A little wacky,yet one I'd like to share, theory

Apos

The Force is Strong With This One
Hello everyone, new-timer here. Being a scepticist myself,it would only be a matter of time until I stumbled upon a forum like this. And I'm glad I did.

Now,first things first. This might be a little big one,but bear with me for a second. Additionally, feel free to discuss whichever source you think that is fake or you have actually found out that is indeed fake.

I'll start with the search that got me here. The infamous recording of the Coast to Coast show and the potential Area 51 employee or potential hoaxer who admitted that the military (and thus as a further outcome the government as well) is inflitrated by the extra-terestials and that their intentions are anything but good.

(for anyone who hasn't heard it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3bld4lTG0)

Alright,so far so good. Additionally, the countless videos of Area 51 "leaks" show that *if* this indeed true, then the US (and maybe others) government works with the species that we call the Greys.

Which brings me to the second part of my theory, which has its root on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q0NjXqAy8M

At ~3:40 and beyond you can see a crop circle pattern that is clearly a gray. This "circle" is out of the ordinary though,since it's a complete picture of a gray. (additionally,the 3 stars of Orion's belt can clearly be seen on the left side,but that's irrelevant now)

The peculiar part is the meaning of the disc:
Beware the bearers of false gifts & their broken promises.
Much pain but still time.
There is good out there.
We oppose deception.
Conduit closing

So the Greys are depicted as the bearers of false gifts and broken promises. A race that is malicious and has the intent of taking advantage of us or even harming us in the long term.

But "bearer of false gifts and broken promises", doesn't that sound a bit familiar? Wouldn't that be exactly what the Antichrist is going to do when the apocalypse comes? (mind you,I'm not a religious person,but I don't consider what's written in all religions wrong. In fact I consider them directly linked to what we are discussing)

And that brings us to the last part. Like Genesis says and also the Sumerian writings, we are made from our creators image. So that makes the greys a bit unlikely to be our "creator". They are really short compared to us and their characteristics might be the same on the basics,but they are not exactly close either.

Additionally, if we accept that we are created after our creator's image, this means we carry some of their genes in our DNA. If we further believe the abductions that are said to have hybrid children of our race and greys, could this mean that this is what the greys are after? Those genes of our creators? An alien race that has a trait superior to theirs and they want to get that trait and make it theirs?

To close up, I want to clarify that many parts are only speculations for discussion. The only things that I'm personally convinced that are true is that various alien races exist, that we were created through genetic engineering and also that we have been baby-sited throughout history. Anything else is a theory from what I've gather so far. Any other point of view and sources would be more than welcome.

So,what do you think? If everything we speculate so far is true and the time for disclosure comes and they (the governments) present us the greys as the alien race that will help us, what would you do? Would you trust them or would you wait a little longer?
 
Welcome, Apos! We recommend that all new members write a little bit about themselves (whatever you feel comfortable sharing) in the new members section, so that we can formally introduce ourselves :)

Apos said:
To close up, I want to clarify that many parts are only speculations for discussion. The only things that I'm personally convinced that are true is that various alien races exist, that we were created through genetic engineering and also that we have been baby-sited throughout history. Anything else is a theory from what I've gather so far. Any other point of view and sources would be more than welcome.

Have you ever read the Wave? I think it will help you find answers to all your questions: The Wave online.
 
Alana said:
Welcome, Apos! We recommend that all new members write a little bit about themselves (whatever you feel comfortable sharing) in the new members section, so that we can formally introduce ourselves :)

I missed that part, I'll be doing a normal introduction soon. ;)
 
Apos said:
The only things that I'm personally convinced that are true is that various alien races exist, that we were created through genetic engineering and also that we have been baby-sited throughout history.
Welcome! I was also curious what convinced you of those things being true, like maybe it was Sitchin writings or maybe someone else?

Edit: clarity
 
alkhemst said:
Apos said:
The only things that I'm personally convinced that are true is that various alien races exist, that we were created through genetic engineering and also that we have been baby-sited throughout history.
Welcome! I was also curious what convinced you of those things being true, like maybe it was Sitchin writings or maybe someone else?

Edit: clarity

Sitchin and his research over Sumeria and the Annunaki sure plays a vital part. That guy has devoted 60 years on his life into that and it would be foolish to disregard everything. (he has admitted that he filled a few gaps with fiction that would make sense,but that is still not enough to just deny everything he has found)

But it's many other things as well. Like I said on my introductory post,I study mechanical engineering, which means that I have at least an above basic grasp of the limitations that technologies and materials could have on a time in history. It's just impossible for me to accept that civilizations who just started learning how to handle metals somehow knew everything about what's inside and also a lot of outside our solar system.

On top of that,further suspicions of outside help is created when taking in account the so called "step evolution" civilizations, like the Sumerians,Egyptians and Babylonians, who seemed to acquire new technologies out of thin air.
 
Apos said:
Sitchin and his research over Sumeria and the Annunaki sure plays a vital part. That guy has devoted 60 years on his life into that and it would be foolish to disregard everything. (he has admitted that he filled a few gaps with fiction that would make sense,but that is still not enough to just deny everything he has found)

I haven't read him directly yet but I agree, I wouldn't disregard everything he's written. But I'd want to question his take on things, especially if he's filling gaps with fiction when he's not exactly presenting it as fiction.

Apos said:
But it's many other things as well. Like I said on my introductory post,I study mechanical engineering, which means that I have at least an above basic grasp of the limitations that technologies and materials could have on a time in history. It's just impossible for me to accept that civilizations who just started learning how to handle metals somehow knew everything about what's inside and also a lot of outside our solar system.

On top of that,further suspicions of outside help is created when taking in account the so called "step evolution" civilizations, like the Sumerians,Egyptians and Babylonians, who seemed to acquire new technologies out of thin air.

Apparently, Tesla got a lot of information directly from spirits about technology. So, something similar could have happened back then as an alternative explanation?
 
The one thing have to be careful about is making assumptions that could lead to errors in logic an interfer with having an open mind to all possibilities. For example, the mainstream concept that human civilization has been a single, continuous evolution from technological ignorance to our current advanced state has discrepancies, such as knowledge of the solar system, as you mentioned. These discrepancies should have given pause to anthropologists, but instead, they are ignored and the theory of a linear progression remains unchallenged.

One possible explanation is that civilizations have reached advanced states in the past but obliterated themselves. The few survivors were blasted back to a stone age, but retained aspects of their knowledge.

Another possibility is that we had a more psychic existence before and through an awareness, derived knowledge of things like the solar system. Heck, perhaps be could project an aspect of ourselves throughout space and time, and map out our reality.

As well, instead of looking at these advanced beings we call aliens as extraterrestrials, another possibility is to look at them as hyperdimensional. They may have always been here on earth, just residing in a different dimension beyond our awareness. Jacques Vallee and John Keel have performed considerable research in UFOs, aliens, abductions, etc., and discuss the hyperdimensional aspect worth considering. And Laura's experiment in superluminal communication, the Cassiopaea Experiment, combined with her research has uncovered a lot of information that supports this concept and opens several other areas up for consideration.

Finally, when contemplating concepts like being created in the creator's image, one should consider more than just the physical likeness, including our mental and even spiritual aspects. For example, Castaneda said the predator gave us its mind. Studying biblical translation might help better understand what the original word wad, from which the translators derived "likeness" or "in his image". Also consider that the bible could merely be a plant to support a belief and might have nothing to do with our reality.

Just a few thoughts, fwiw,

Gonzo
 
I, too, suggest you read the Wave series, Apos, which was linked to by Alana. There is a lot of info complied there by Laura Knight-Jadcayk, the owner of this forum. Also, The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive by Laura, which is available on Amazon, both in book form and now on Kindle. And Sitchin is mentioned there, also.

You might also want to read High Strangeness, which is also by Laura.

Laura has done tons of research into these areas, bringing together a whole lot of topics and connecting the dots, which very few researchers do.
 
alkhemst said:
Apparently, Tesla got a lot of information directly from spirits about technology. So, something similar could have happened back then as an alternative explanation?

That could be the case, although I'm fairly new to these spiritual stuff and I got to admit I'm a highly "realist" person so it's kind of hard for me to embrace that part. (I don't disregard it either though mind you. I just don't see myself being able to embrace it anytime soon if it's for real)

Direct or spiritual contact though, the point remains the same, that some technologies appeared a little too fast to be through the invention process.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
I, too, suggest you read the Wave series, Apos, which was linked to by Alana. There is a lot of info complied there by Laura Knight-Jadcayk, the owner of this forum. Also, The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive by Laura, which is available on Amazon, both in book form and now on Kindle. And Sitchin is mentioned there, also.

You might also want to read High Strangeness, which is also by Laura.

Laura has done tons of research into these areas, bringing together a whole lot of topics and connecting the dots, which very few researchers do.

Ye,I'm reading it right now. It's a bit excessive though and when coupled with some university studies I got to do (yes,in the summer... :( ) it should take me a couple days to finish it up.

Like I said on a previous reply,even though I try to keep an open mind, the spiritual part is not my best area though. Well, someone has to stay behind I guess. ;)
 
It's interesting that you will consider the alien potential but deny the spiritual potential. The logic you apply to one could easily be applied to the other.

Perhaps a stepping stone for you open mind would be to first consider the possibility that advanced beings (what you are referring to as aliens) could have the technology or biological capacity to communicate thoughts directly into the minds of humans, which could explain the phenomenon of people hearing voices from spirits. This shouldn't be too far of a stretch, since human technology is almost there. We (military/security industrial complex) currently have technology to beam brain waves that generate specific emotions, which confer those emotions on the recipient, and that's just what we know of. The secret stuff is years, if not decades ahead of what the public is aware of.

Then, when you look into abduction research performed by credible sources, we find that a lot of abductions aren't physical in nature. Somehow the person is abducted without their body. You can search Youtube for videos by the late Dr. Karla Turner.

Finally, there's some really interesting studies done in spirit release therapy, including experiences Laura had while performing hypnotherapy, that you will find compelling.

I realize it is difficult to have an open mind when considering areas that have traditionally been poo-pooed by mainstream, but since you are already going into an unconventional line of inquiry, you can't bring conventional thinking with you, osit.

I'm sure you will find Laura's research impeccable and compelling, especially the works that others have indicated, and it would probably be a good first place to start, since she has already done the leg work. From there you can either track her sources for validity and/or venture on your own into the mass of work done by others in the fields of human psychology, history, anthropology, esotericism, UFOs, abduction phenomenon, secret societies, history of channeling, etc.

It's fascinating stuff, for sure.

I do hope you recognize the purpose of this forum as, not only a place to discuss research in high strangeness, but also all aspects of our reality, be it within or without.

This forum is aligned as a Gurdjieffian 4th was school as well, and is dedicated to stripping away all myths, no matter how uncomfortable the experience. Therefore, we often challenge each other's thinking here, to eliminate emotional and psychological influences (subjectivity) on rational thought, in order to uncover the objective reality we find ourselves in.

So I welcome and encourage you to consider reading and participating in other areas of the forum, even if they don't seem to pique your initial interest. I am certain you will find them equally compelling, once you delve deeper.

Gonzo
 
But I don't deny it. I just find myself incapable of being able to get to embrace anything directly into my own life. I'm extremely realistic when it comes to thoughts,completely bound to the world as I see it and not as I feel it. :)

For a few weeks now I've discovered more and more about the spirit potential and surely I am to discover more from here. I can't participate directly though,at least for now, since I'm having a hard time getting rid of my logic's limits.
 
Apos said:
But I don't deny it. I just find myself incapable of being able to get to embrace anything directly into my own life. I'm extremely realistic when it comes to thoughts,completely bound to the world as I see it and not as I feel it. :)

For a few weeks now I've discovered more and more about the spirit potential and surely I am to discover more from here. I can't participate directly though,at least for now, since I'm having a hard time getting rid of my logic's limits.
It's completely understandable. It seems we place conceptual boundaries on ourselves, perhaps as a way to work efficiently within the areas of the known, knowable world. As well, we are programmed by our environment from an early age and learn quickly what is acceptable and not, and form that programming, we train our mind to operate within the confines established by ourselves and our environment. Once we have an emotional investment in a certain perceived reality, it takes incredible effort for the mind to contemplate information that violates that investment. In fact, we seem to get reward chemicals when we reinforce the constraining structure and chemical disincentives when we challenge them. This is a well documented phenomenon.

Perhaps you would be encouraged to see that Laura's husband, Arkadius Jadczyk, as a well regarded theoretical mathematical physicist, he doesn't seem to have much difficulty reconciling such concepts. In fact, you might find his brief on Physics of the Mysterious an interesting read: http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/pm1.htm
A list of his professional publications is available at: http://arkadiusz-jadczyk.org/downloads.htm

You might also find value in the Cassiopaea Youtube channel, which includes Laura's and Ark's presentations at their Barcelona conference.

Gonzo
 
Exactly, it's more of denying my own self from getting to know this than denying that something like that could exist altogether.

Like knowing there's a swimming pool next door but being afraid of swimming. ;)

As for the link,well I'll have to finish up on the wave first,but I'll be checking it our sooner or later. At least physics is something that I'm more familiar with. :)
 
Apos said:
But I don't deny it. I just find myself incapable of being able to get to embrace anything directly into my own life. I'm extremely realistic when it comes to thoughts,completely bound to the world as I see it and not as I feel it. :)

For a few weeks now I've discovered more and more about the spirit potential and surely I am to discover more from here. I can't participate directly though,at least for now, since I'm having a hard time getting rid of my logic's limits.
What I've found extremely helpful with that, in addition to the suggested reading, was making some dietary changes. If you haven't already, when you get a chance, you may want to read the life without bread thread. It seems that years of eating things such as gluten and dairy can impede our ability to think - at least that was the case with me. ;)
 

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