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[Laura]

Re: Offensive Statements

Actually, we were keeping those sections of the forum closed partly as a courtesy to Bill Ryan and a favor to Kerry Cassidy. However, we have re-opened it to google and the general public.

 

[Laura]

Re: Offensive Statements

I read the article. I thought it was humorous. The person who wrote it sounds like an angry fourth grader throwing a jealous tantrum. I just choose to ignore it. The material here speaks for itself.

That's Bill Ryan for ya! And others of his ilk.

 

[Noumena]

Re: Offensive Statements

So my question is "How to tackle or what is your attitude when you encounter things like this?".

I read the article. I thought it was humorous. The person who wrote it sounds like an angry fourth grader throwing a jealous tantrum. I just choose to ignore it. The material here speaks for itself.

So i guess the posts and other writings similiar to Mr. Ryan should be taken with dose of humour but at the same time it feels kind of sad when i think about ppl who will encounter for first time information about Laura and her work from sources like Project Avalon. In lots of cases ppl will follow that "first impression" and they start building a concept around it without making further search to check if its validate or not...but thats the main usable thing for disinfo Cabal...

Cheers

 

[Risen]

Re: Offensive Statements

So i guess the posts and other writings similiar to Mr. Ryan should be taken with dose of humour but at the same time it feels kind of sad when i think about ppl who will encounter for first time information about Laura and her work from sources like Project Avalon. In lots of cases ppl will follow that "first impression" and they start building a concept around it without making further search to check if its validate or not

Then there are the other cases where some people will check out the website because of the idiotic nonsense he wrote and find out for themselves what it really is and who Laura really is.
A good friend once told me that no matter what someone says about you, it should be taken as a compliment that they find you important/interesting enough to talk about.
People who want to know the truth will find it, eventually. And yes, it is sad for those who miss out, I agree.

 

[ec1968]

Re: Offensive Statements

Hi Noumena

I'm pretty much a newbie here and with all the concepts that Laura, Ark and the others put forward. I'm working very slowly through some of the reading material off sites (books etc, and I've just taken out a 2 yr subscription to Dot Connector Magazine). I struggle with some of the concepts, but if I disagree with something I disagree with it and for me that's the end of it. I have read a lot of the 'anti-Laura' material on the net and what I just can't figure out is why the anti brigade are so vitriolic and hate so much. Its like the TV - if a programme offends you, there's an off button. If folk don't like what SOTT and Cassiopaea stand for, nobody forces them to read it. They obviously have little else in their lives but finding something to be offended by and then being as offensive as they can back! IGNORE is one of the best words in the dictionary under the circumstances!!

Cheers

 

[henry]

Re: Offensive Statements

Hi Noumena

I'm pretty much a newbie here and with all the concepts that Laura, Ark and the others put forward. I'm working very slowly through some of the reading material off sites (books etc, and I've just taken out a 2 yr subscription to Dot Connector Magazine). I struggle with some of the concepts, but if I disagree with something I disagree with it and for me that's the end of it.

That’s the healthy way to respond. Of course, doing further research in order to get more data in order to check further both your ideas and the ideas you disagree with is also a good way to proceed. :)

I have read a lot of the 'anti-Laura' material on the net and what I just can't figure out is why the anti brigade are so vitriolic and hate so much. Its like the TV - if a programme offends you, there's an off button. If folk don't like what SOTT and Cassiopaea stand for, nobody forces them to read it. They obviously have little else in their lives but finding something to be offended by and then being as offensive as they can back! IGNORE is one of the best words in the dictionary under the circumstances!!

Cheers

Which leads us to consider whether a) some of these people are being paid to write that stuff, or b) they suffer from some pathology that prevents from from responding reasonably as you describe above. When the emotions kick in, the language is inflamed, and the facts are thrown out of the window, then it is obvious that something in the writer has been triggered. They gnaw on that bone, and they can’t let go of it.

When a person chooses to believe a lie, their thinking becomes skewed and twisted because they must distort the facts to fit their belief. There is a blockage in their reasoning abilities. And some part of them knows that they have chosen a lie, so there is a deep tension within them as they try to hide from themselves that they have chosen the lie. The truth then becomes a terrible threat to the false personality built on the lie, with the anger and vigour with which they attack matching their fear of self-exposure.

We have seen this process again and again.

 

[ec1968]

Re: Offensive Statements

Which leads us to consider whether a) some of these people are being paid to write that stuff, or b) they suffer from some pathology that prevents from from responding reasonably as you describe above. When the emotions kick in, the language is inflamed, and the facts are thrown out of the window, then it is obvious that something in the writer has been triggered. They gnaw on that bone, and they can’t let go of it.

Reading that comment Galahad was like an electric shock - I'm stunned at my naivety for never even considering that that could be a possibility. And believe me, being brought up in Northern Ireland I haven't led a sheltered life. I would write a lot of things if the money was right (kind of joking here!), but some of the vitriolic, personal, horrible crap out there is beyond words, and my comprehension.

When a person chooses to believe a lie, their thinking becomes skewed and twisted because they must distort the facts to fit their belief. There is a blockage in their reasoning abilities. And some part of them knows that they have chosen a lie, so there is a deep tension within them as they try to hide from themselves that they have chosen the lie. The truth then becomes a terrible threat to the false personality built on the lie, with the anger and vigour with which they attack matching their fear of self-exposure.

We have seen this process again and again.

A very clear description of the 'intellectual' process of telling a lie. As I read it, I felt my self cringing at how accurate it is with respect to some of the silly lies I've told in the course of my life.

 

[Laura]

An update. I sent the text that Noumena posted that was taken from the Project Avalon forum to Kerry Cassidy with the following comment:

I responded:

Actually, we were keeping those sections of the forum closed partly as a courtesy to Bill Ryan and a favor to Kerry Cassidy. However, we have re-opened it to google and the general public.

Bill just never seems to know when he's gotten a good deal.

As it happens, our decision to reopen that section of the forum had nothing to do with Bill Ryan or what he did or did not do. It had more to do with us considering that there is so much other information related to those topics that really needs to be available generally. Those threads that haven't been active for awhile won't get much google play anyway. But those who are searching here on the forum will be able to read them.

Anyway, Kerry forwarded the info to Bill and he responded:

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Kerry at Project Camelot wrote:

Laura,

Thanks for letting me know. Believe it or not there is also a section of Avalon devoted to bad mouthing me! I have also protested to no avail.

I am copying Bill on this. What I suggest is that character attacks should be moderated on your {Bill's}forum.

Best wishes,

Kerry

Hi, Laura -

As I wrote to you earlier this year, it would have been kind - and fair, as well - if you had posted some corrective and clarifying statement about the wrong and misleading information you had over the last three years publicized about me on your forum and website.

I believe I was at all times courteous, and everything I have ever told you has been accurate and correct.

I have never made any disparaging remark about you and have at no time retaliated privately or publicly.

Please do note that I'm NOT responsible for members' posts on the forum. Please note also that this was NOT the Project Avalon website, which content is all my own responsibility and no-one else's.

I certainly don't have the time to trawl through all the threads and posts on the forum - you will certainly understand. To criticize me - and apparently retaliate (if I understand you correctly) - for whatever has been written on the forum seems a little unfair.

The truth is the truth, and I again ask you to correct what you have written about me. If you don't feel like corresponding with me (for whatever reason! Laura, I am not and never have been your enemy) - then run the details past Kerry.

I trust Kerry to assist you in putting all fact-based records straight. Thank you in advance for that.

With all good wishes, Bill

I responded to Bill with CC to Kerry:

On 9/2/2010 5:04 PM, Bill Ryan wrote:
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> Hi, Laura -
>
> As I wrote to you earlier this year, it would have been kind - and fair, as well - if >you had posted some corrective and clarifying statement about the wrong and >misleading information you had over the last three years publicized about me on >your forum and website.

Bill, I published nothing that needs correcting. Actual emails, sequences of events, assessment of what you are doing based on long experience, is not defamatory. You, on the other hand, are behaving in a defamatory way.

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> I believe I was at all times courteous, and everything I have ever told you has been >accurate and correct.

I think you are sincere when you say that but, based on long experience, being sincere does not mean not being duped. A person can be an "agent" and be the most sincere, well-meaning person on the planet. If you had read my Wave series, you would have read about living examples.

Just watch the movie "Arlington Road" to get a picture about how the sincerest, nicest guy in the world can be used to destroy.


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> I have never made any disparaging remark about you and have at no time >retaliated privately or publicly.
>
> Please do note that I'm NOT responsible for members' posts on the forum. Please >note also that this was NOT the Project Avalon website, which content is all my >own responsibility and no-one else's.
>
> I certainly don't have the time to trawl through all the threads and posts on the >forum - you will certainly understand. To criticize me - and apparently retaliate (if I >understand you correctly) - for whatever has been written on the forum seems a >little unfair.

Bill, if you have a forum, you should have moderators because what is published on your forum will be understood by 90% of readers as YOUR opinion unless you make it clear that it is not. I don't tolerate nonsense on my forum.

Again, what I posted about the Project SERPO deal, what happened to us via the ATS people, including that vicious attack by their Right Wing atty, your association with them, all spells COINTELPRO - that's what is. There was a trap and you were part of it. You say you are not, but everything says that's what is. When words don't match actions and/or associations, there's a problem.

I really do think you should read The Wave series in book form - all seven volumes - and thereby gather enough knowledge to protect yourself if, in fact, you are being sincere.

L

 

[Laura]

I posted the following excerpt in the Terry Cole-Whittaker thread, but it bears repeating here since we are looking at pretty much the same dynamic.

As I wrote in Secret History:

Richard Dolan’s UFOs and the National Security State is the first comprehensive study of the past 50 years of the U.S. Government’s response to the intrusion of UFO phenomena in America. The compiled evidence - which includes government documents - suggests that a group of specialists working in the shadows, set up and executed the most massive cover-up in the history of government; and that the Human Potential movement and the subsequent New Age movements, were key elements of this cover-up. In other words, they not only have used the “colorful community” of alternative ideas as an unwitting tool of disinformation, it is highly probable that most of it was literally created by them as COINTELPRO. According to analysts, COINTELPRO was the FBI’s secret program to undermine the popular upsurge, which swept the country during the 1960s. Though the name stands for “Counterintelligence Program”, the targets were not enemy spies. The FBI set out to eliminate “radical” political opposition inside the US. What a lot of people do not realize is that this was a high level psychological operation specifically set up to vector “ideological” trends - beliefs, etc. To get a complete picture of the problem, Dolan writes:

The UFO problem has involved military personnel around the world for more than fifty years, and is wrapped in secrecy. […] Because this subject is so widely ridiculed, it is important to stress why it is worthy of serious attention.[…] Stories of strange objects in the sky go far back into time, but the problem received little attention until the Second World War. […] During the UFO wave of 1947, American military and intelligence organizations conducted multiple, simultaneous investigations of these sightings. […] By the end of 1947, a contingent of analysts at the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base believed that UFOs were extraterrestrial. By the summer of 1948, this team prepared an “Estimate of the Situation.” […] As the story goes, Air Force Commander Hoyt Vandenberg rejected [this conclusion.] […]

In the summer of 1952… UFO sightings were so frequent and often of such high quality that some in the air force actually wondered whether an invasion was under way. With some help from the secret CIA sponsored Robertson Panel of January 1953, the air force improved censorship over the problem. Still, it never quite went away. Civilian organizations began to collect and analyze interesting UFO reports. […] Then came the great UFO wave of 1965 and 1966, when the air force could no longer hide behind weather balloons and swamp gas, nor withstand public scrutiny. […]

Let us pause to assess the situation. By the mid-1940s, America’s intelligence apparatus had reason to believe that there were artifacts in the skies that did not originate from America, Russia, Germany, or any other country. These objects violated some highly sensitive military airspace, and did not appear to be natural phenomena. One may presume that the affected national security authorities made it an immediate obsession to determine the nature and purpose of these objects, and we may infer that the issue probably became a deep secret by 1946, or 1947 at the latest.

It was at this precise moment in time that the Human Potential movement was “born”. Do we think that this was a coincidence? By the mid-50s, it was becoming obvious that things were getting out of control and in August of 1956, the FBI began its COINTELPRO operation. When traditional modes of repression (exposure, blatant harassment, and prosecution for political crimes) failed to counter the growing insurgency, and even helped to fuel it, the Bureau took the law into its own hands. Its methods ranged far beyond surveillance, and amounted to a domestic version of the covert action for which the CIA has become infamous throughout the world.

Usually, when we think of COINTELPRO, we think of the most well known and typical activities which include sending anonymous or fictitious letters designed to start rumors, among other things, publishing false defamatory or threatening information, forging signatures on fake documents, introducing disruptive and subversive members into organizations to destroy them from within, and so on. Blackmailing insiders in any group to force them to spread false rumors, or to foment factionalism was also common.

What a lot of people don’t keep in mind is the fact that COINTELPRO also concentrated on creating bogus organizations. These bogus groups could serve many functions which might include attacking and/or disrupting bona fide groups, or even just simply creating a diversion with clever propaganda in order to attract members away so as to involve them with time-wasting activity designed to prevent them from doing anything useful. COINTELPRO was also famous for instigation of hostile actions through third parties. According to investigators, these FBI programs were noteworthy because all documents relating to them were stamped “do not file”. This meant that they were never filed in the system, and for all intents and purposes, did not exist. This cover was blown after activists broke into an FBI office in Media, Pennsylvania in 1971. The possibility of finding evidence for any of it, after that event, is about zero. To spell it out in Dolan’s words:

Regarding matters connected with “national security”, there appears to be a wealth of information that does not exist officially. Thus, a request to find such documents through a Freedom of Information Act request would be in vain. Add to this the likelihood that perhaps the most sensitive information regarding UFOs may not even exist in document form (“the first rule in keeping secrets is nothing on paper”, Richard Helms), and one can appreciate the difficulty that an honest UFO researcher has in ferreting out the truth.

Now, let us take a few logical steps. The UFO problem emerged into the national consciousness in 1947, or thereabouts. Not long afterward, a lot of people began asking a lot of questions. The government wasn’t answering, and so the people began to band together to find out the answers for themselves. They started forming groups. And this is where things get just a bit curious. The thing that was most threatened by the UFO/alien issue seems to have been the Standard Monotheistic Religions. Religion seems to be a necessary component of political control. Social control - that is the mainstay of religion - was most definitely under threat. In fact, what seems to be true is that it is not even clear that religions - as we know them - would have survived a full disclosure. So the logical conclusion is that part of the main reason for the cover-up was to “protect the religious status quo”.

As things stood at the time, protecting the religious status quo - mainly the social controls that stem from religion - was iffy at best. After a century of scholarly investigation into many religious texts, and the raising of many questions about the “old time religion”, there were a lot of people in society who were most definitely turning away from religious dogma. It’s fairly simple to take the next logical step and see that a combining of the questions of those who were disenchanted with religion, with the questions of those who wanted to know just what the heck was going on in terms of possible “extraterrestrials”, was seen as a dangerous and explosive mixture. Something had to be done.

The activities of COINTELPRO in attempting to neutralize political opposition have been pretty well exposed. But we are now considering the fact that, in addition to political activists, it seems that COINTELPRO has particularly targeted groups that are seeking the truth about the interactions between the US government and Ultra Terrestrials, or so-called “aliens”. That a long-time cover-up of these matters has been in effect is certainly evident to any careful researcher.

The COINTELPRO files show the U.S. Government targeted a very broad range of religious, labor and community groups opposed to any of its agendas, and it is only logical to assume that the same type of operation would be created to cover up the “alien agenda”. Such a theoretical COINTELPRO operation also goes far in explaining why, when the sincere researcher of UFO phenomena enters this field, he or she discovers only lies, lies, and more lies; confusion and disinformation. That is most definitely the signature of COINTELPRO.

Considering all of this, would anybody care to suggest that it did not also occur to the Powers that Be that the chief means of diverting attention and covering up the truth would be to literally fund and create the “New Age” and “Human Potential movement”, so that it would follow their agenda of keeping secrets?

In other words, it is extremely likely that the most successful and popular of Metaphysical Mavens and New Age Impresarios are COINTELPRO agents - either consciously or as dupes of those who are. The objective seems to be to attack and “neutralize” those who are seeking the answers. Those who are sincere, who do bona fide research and seek to explicate the truth, are infiltrated, attacked, and marginalized according to standard COINTELPRO procedures.

What all of this seems to suggest is that the Powers That Be (PTB) have developed COINTELPRO to an all new level of Social Shaping, Cultural Brainwashing, and the main targets of this activity would include virtually anyone who is seeking the truth about the shifting realities of our world. The cases of COINTELPRO activities against political groups must be no more than the tip of the iceberg, given that the great bulk of COINTELPRO-type operations remain secret until long after their damage has been done. By all indications, domestic covert operations have become a permanent feature of U.S. politics and Social Programming, and it is hardly likely, considering the evidence, that the New Age and Human Potential fields are exempt.

The implications of this are truly alarming. Those who manage to get close to the truth of these matters, despite the many obstacles in their path, face National covert campaigns to discredit and disrupt their research and reputations. Clearly, COINTELPRO and similar operations under other names also work to distort academic and popular perceptions of the problems facing our world. They have done enormous damage to the search for the Truth.

I would say that MOST, if not nearly ALL, of the so-called "witnesses" that have appeared on Project Camelot and Project Avalon are part of the above described COINTELPRO.

 

[Cosmos]

What really happened to Project Camelot: an interview by Mel Fabragas (new video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tlnuxpR40&feature=feedu

This new personal interview with Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy - by Mel Fabregas from the VERITAS SHOW - lifts the veil on PROJECT CAMELOT and reveals the complex chain of events that took place in 2008-2009 that resulted in a schism in Project Camelot... a schism which which has now been healed.

The interview details how Bill and Kerry may well have made seven sets of powerful enemies during that time - as a direct result of the stand they were taking on a number of issues.

As Bill says in the interview: "It only takes one bullet to kill you. When you have seven, you have little chance."

The story of exactly what happened, and the role model the Project Camelot founders are seeking to set in resolving the differences that were exacerbated by their enemies, is fascinating and important. MUST WATCH.

As always, there is humor. Enjoy the lovely little outtake at the beginning. The rest of the interview is quite serious, and contains a LOT of important information

 

[Joe]

Bill Ryan is an extremely naive person who is very susceptible to "love and light" new age nonsense (not to mention "aliens are here to save us"). He really is clueless and he makes that clear in almost everything he says. He's an unwitting dupe IMO, I feel sorry for him more than anything else, but he really is acting as a source for large quantities of disinformation. If he doesn't mend his ways he runs the risk of ending up on the menu at some hyperdimensional dinner party.

The "illuminati" and "the Vatican" and the "annunaki" tried to take them down?!" Jesus Christ! (pun intended) they both appear to ACTUALLY believe this!!!!


News flash for Bill and Kerry: the "illuminati" etc don't take out their enemies unless they are REALLY on to something and have the capacity to reach a WIDE audience. They're much more interested in feeding BS to gullible people and having them run with it.

 

[Laura]

Ya'll might want to check this out and dissect it. Maybe get a text version of it for archiving.

_http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=37&id=36575&Itemid=164#36575

 

[Windmill knight]

Ya'll might want to check this out and dissect it. Maybe get a text version of it for archiving.

_http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=37&id=36575&Itemid=164#36575

Oh dear. The Camelot people just love their 'Norwegian Politicians' stories.

Well, at least Kerry says that she thinks it's "distorted" and "contains gross inaccuracies".

I suppose that the original 'reptilian' race looked quite human and not reptilian at all. Otherwise some of us "hybrids" would have a tail or a few scales or some sort of giveaway. The whole thing about the elite being concerned mainly about the purity of an 'experiment' - as opposed to their own survival or power - doesn't make much sense to me. The whole script of the story sounds much like that: a script - and a bad one too. Here's this guy running away from the 33 (who have mind-reading surveillance capabilities but somehow miss him) and he lands in Nigeria, where he has a personal army, but he ends in jail, and has a friend who is a shaman and another friend who rescues him by using an iPad, and then he is dropped in the sea outside of Portugal. And to spice things up they just couldn't resist tossing St Germain in there. Who is 2,000 years old.

By the way, "pure hybrids" is not a tautology but an oxymoron.

 

[Beau]

Yeah, seems like a whole lot of nonsense mixed with just a wee bit o' truth.

 

[Gimpy]

Yeah, seems like a whole lot of nonsense mixed with just a wee bit o' truth.

I admit it, I couldn't get past the whole 'pure hybrid' problem, and when I ran into the "invited to secret meeting, then on the run from the same people, only to ESCAPE", my BS detector blew a fuse. It had too many popular movie threads in it to be taken seriously, which can be a real stumbling block when researching something like this. Sounding similar to a movie doesn't mean its the same kind of fiction, but it does hit a button in me that says "Don't waste your time on this, its crap."

This same kind of reaction crops up here and there researching issues that are the opposite of 'main stream wisdom', but not as hard as with other fringe topics. I'm still figuring out what to push through and keep digging on, and when to say "this is wasting time.."