Airasia QZ8501 Missing

[meta-agnostic]

This is pure speculation but even in the cases where plane wreckage was eventually found, if it was some 20 years after the flight disappeared could they still also be 'victims' of density border disturbances? Is it possible the plane disappeared into the Twilight Zone then reappeared 20 years later and crashed, and that's why no wreckage was found until then? And possibly the same thing could happen with MH370 or QZ8501? Or even more bizarre, the plane(s) return with survivors and they have missing time and/or stories to tell from the other side?

Edit: quote from last page:

If one removes those planes that were ultimately found crashed somewhere, what might the graphic look like?

 

[seek10]

Wiki page has 71 aircraft's missing since 1945 , out of which one mentions UFO intercept (1953). This Wiki page the lists all from 1853.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aerial_disappearances

They don't have a locational graph , but it has other details of the crash.

 

[Silveryblue]

Another whole family missed getting the plane due to not getting notifications that it was going to depart 2 hours ahead of schedule. Rescheduled due to weather maybe?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/64516291/familys-lucky-escape-from-airasia-flight-qz-8501

 

[rymw]

The story on an extended family of 10 who missed the flight...partly answering why the high percentage of no-show passengers on QZ8501.

m.smh.com.au/world/familys-lucky-escape-from-doomed-airasia-flight-qz-8501-20141228-12eslw.html

Might the flight not turn out this way had the departure not been rescheduled?

 

[lilies]

I wonder, if the phones of the passengers are ringing?

No discernible patterns emerge on this map, besides the fact that the most commonly disappeared plane model is the Douglas DC-3, ...... 19 of which have gone missing—and that five aircraft were swallowed up in or around the supposedly paranormal Bermuda Triangle. What does that teach us, other than that the paranoid should perhaps avoid flying on DC-3s over the Bermuda Triangle?

Map:
_http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2014-03-13/vanishing-planes-mapped-since-1948.html

Those incidents - especially ones in the Bermuda region might have happened, I think, because of the all metal content of the DC-3, its whole body was made from 24S aluminum alloy that had three times more magnesium in it than their previous sheet metal version user for airplane construction.

Alcoa developed a new, higher strength alloy in the 1930s called 24S. The major change from 17S to 24S was to increase the magnesium level to 1.5% from the 0.5% of the previous alloys. This increased the design strength of 24S to 50,000 psi from 40,000 psi of the earlier alloys. In addition it was found that some moderate cold working, such as stretching or rolling sheet material, immediately after water quenching and then aging could further increase the design strength of 24S to 57,000 psi.

All of these properties could be produced with Wilm's original room temperature aging treatment called natural aging. When heated at temperatures of 300 to 400F, called artificial aging, the strength of 24S could be increased to 71,000 psi if cold worked after water quenching. This alloy was the major construction material for the first commercially successful passenger plane, the Douglas DC-3 ..(

_http://metals-history.blogspot.hu/2010/04/discovery-of-strong-aluminum-charles-r.html

This specific metal mix - aluminum and the earth metal: magnesium - in the DC-3's body must have reacted more violently with Bermuda's electrical storms having those "super volatile" peculiar "EM vortexes" - I think.

Also because of how the DC-3's wing was constructed it was basically a VHF antenna: a lightning and EM wave attractor, I think. See figure #10 in this PDF:
_http://www2.esm.vt.edu/~zgurdal/COURSES/2104/2104-Docs/HOMEWORK/WoodToMetal.pdf

Understanding the processes that define the preliminary stage of lightning discharge has been a major problem. In its most developed phase, this stage lasts approximately one tenth of a second, and consists of numerous (up to 10,000) relatively weak discharges [3, 4]. Widespread experimental efforts have demonstrated several peculiarities at the preliminary stage, proving it to be a very complex and puzzling phenomenon: Firstly, two subintervals (of approximately
equal duration) may be selected in the preliminary breakdown stage. The first subinterval contains very high frequency (VHF) pulses, which appear without any visible DC field changes

_http://www.ursi.org/Proceedings/ProcGA02/papers/p1095.pdf

A320's body is

Consisting primarily of aluminium alloy, the A320 is also built with high technology materials such as carbon composites, Kevlar and fiberglass.

They use titanium for rivets, which has low electrical conductivity (not that it matters much if it holds aluminum sheets of the fuselage).
_http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamilies/passengeraircraft/a320family/

Also they might be using CFRP - carbon fiber for the wings and:

Ten years later, in 1988, Airbus began delivery of the A320 with an all composite tail fin, and construction of vertical stabilizers from plastic composites became the standard for all its aircraft. [9]

_http://www.globalresearch.ca/ground-the-airbus/14025

[..] The A320 does not have this problem, and putting longer landing gear on the 737 is such a large task that it would warrant starting over. The 737 has had an amazing run, but it is coming to a close. I believe that this makes the most sense for Boeing's next new aircraft. The big question is whether it will be an aluminum or CFRP fuselage; the wing will undoubtedly be CFRP

_http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4791392/?threadid=4791392&searchid=4791699&s=TomB

Now, this webpage speculates about the engines,

The engine type has a history of cutting out in heavy rain / hail. It’s a bit eary to jump to conclusions but it sounds like the weather could have been a factor. Several fan blade failure incidents were experienced during the CFM56’s early service

_http://heavy.com/news/2014/12/airasia-flight-qz8501-missing-lost-contact-course-crash/

...but it was not the engines that caused this plane to fail, but the nose part was responsible, i think. I mean a structural failure that a lightning storm can cause, like the C's mentioned quadruple strength lightning environment around the plane: a stress bearing hull surface section tearing on the nose cone and causing the A320 216 to lose its normal "aerodynamic balance" and tumble uncontrollably. Also probably losing the radar being in the nose, but the radar might have been their smallest problem by then.

Usually a normal strength lightning is no problemo:

Initially, the lightning will attach to an extremity such as the nose or wing tip. The airplane then flies through the lightning flash, which reattaches itself to the fuselage at other locations while the airplane is in the electric "circuit" between the cloud regions of opposite polarity.

_http://petergreenberg.com/2014/04/07/what-happens-lightning-strikes-an-airplane/

This plane managed to land even when its upper fuselage was torn:
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243

"It only gets really serious when the radome [nose cone] is struck, the only part of the plane's shell not made of metal, as this is where the radar is located. But nose cones have special lightning conductors for just this reason."

Yeah, its nice in theory, but if the nose cone suffers a structural failure - tear or hole - then the lightning that even might somehow get inside reaching the electronics doesn't matter too much, when the whole nose cone is flying apart.. pilots losing control. Are they lucky, if the plane remains together and there might be a density border thinning, so they might fall into a hole in between "dimensions" into a "zero time pocket".

_http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2012/may/16/worried-lightning-striking-plane
Now we can feel safe and buy an AirAsia tickets in these times, when the number of super lightning storms and density border 'thinnings' are increasing..

 

[Beorn]

I wonder, if the phones of the passengers are ringing?

There is this message supposedly received from a family member of one of the passengers.

It reported from Surabaya that a family of a missing passenger received a glimmer of hope via a Blackberry Messenger (BBM) text.

The portal quoted Intan, the sister of passenger Martinus Djomy as saying: "Kabarnya mendarat darurat di Belitung Timur, semua selamat. Tapi kita tetap butuh kepastian."

(We got word that that the plane made an emergency landing in Belitung Timur, everyone is safe. But we still need to be sure.)

_http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/family-member-claims-receiving-text-message-missing-plane-safe-says-report

 

[mabar]

I wonder, if the phones of the passengers are ringing?

There was a report.

Family member claims receiving text message missing plane safe, says report

It reported from Surabaya that a family of a missing passenger received a glimmer of hope via a Blackberry Messenger (BBM) text.

The portal quoted Intan, the sister of passenger Martinus Djomy as saying: "Kabarnya mendarat darurat di Belitung Timur, semua selamat. Tapi kita tetap butuh kepastian."

(We got word that that the plane made an emergency landing in Belitung Timur, everyone is safe. But we still need to be sure.)
Intan said she learned about this from a friend who sent her the text message via BBM.

Her brother Martinus was travelling to Singapore with his wife, child and babysitter.

Detik.com reported that the piece of information was passed on to the authorities at the crisis centre in Juanda.

The news portal added that unfortunately, there remains no confirmation from relevant authorities whether the information was accurate or otherwise.

In a separate story, Detik.com also quoted Nasional Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) Jakarta chief Sutrisno as saying that the agency's radar did not detect the flight's Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT).

He said the ELT would go off if there was impact or if the plane had gone under water.

"If the plane landed smoothly on water, it wouldn't have gone off, unless the device was not working. It didn't go off so Basarnas doesn't know its position now," Detik quoted him as saying.

There are 155 passengers and seven crew members aboard the Singapore-bound jet, which had lost contact with the Surabaya air traffic control after it flew out of the east Java city at 5.20am Indonesian time. It was due to land at 8.30am Singapore time.

Indonesian nationals make up 156 of the 162 onboard, with the rest comprising three South Koreans, one Malaysian, one Singaporean and one French.

Earlier this afternoon, reports quoted a National Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) official from Pangkalpinang, Supriandi, that the missing Airbus A320 was believed to have crashed at the location 03.22.46 South and 108.50.07 East, in waters around 80 to 100 nautical miles from Belitung.

Antara news agency reported that a rescue team had been despatched to Belitung.

It was reported that the missing flight had circled over the sea near Belitung to avoid a storm before it experienced severe turbulence and crashed into the ocean, reports said. – December 28, 2014.

Direct from detik.com and roughly translated using google translate:

Jakarta - The head of the military Marsdya Basarnas F Henry Bambang Sulistyo began to open the latest allegations regarding QZ8501 AirAsia aircraft position. Provisional estimates, the aircraft was on the seabed.

"Allegations while the aircraft is on the seabed," Sulistyo said in a press conference at the Post Soekarno-Hatta Airport, Monday (12/29/2014) at 8:50 pm.

The allegation raises a new problem, namely how to lift the aircraft later when it was discovered the exact position. Basarnas will also use sophisticated ships belonging to BPPT the ship Baruna Jaya IV which has a special sensor.

"There will also be difficult to evacuate. We have not had the tools," said Sulistyo.

Add: either the airplane is at the seabed (drawn) or it land on water but had not been able to rescue the passangers? hopefuly?... if the the text message is real?... let see what are the later reports.

 

[mabar]

more ... using google translate indonesian to english

Monday, December 29th 2014, 04:31:00
Fishermen Listen Sound Explosion

BABEL - Focus AirAsia search QZ8501 apparently leads to the waters of Bangka Belitung (Babel), particularly in the area of Belitong Island waters, although initial estimates plane lost contact over the islands of Borneo or Belitong.

Apart from being intensively conducted searches, there is news mentions a fisherman from Coconut Kampit admitted listening to blast loud enough around Jackfruit Island waters. (read it also here _http://news.detik.com/read/2014/12/29/100120/2788765/10/basarnas-babel-masyarakat-dengar-ledakan-di-sekitar-pulau-nangka?n991101605 "Andriandi said Basarnas Bangka-Belitung received many reports of people who heard the explosion of the island of Jackfruit and Lung Island. Basarnas will try to find the truth of these reports. ... "Many of the public report that they heard the sound of explosions around the island Jackfruit, so we comb in it," he said. )

The explosion came at around 08.00 pm. The information was collected from post search AirAsia aircraft in the Navy Post manggar East Belitung (Beltim) when the search coordination by a joint team from the Navy, Air Base HAS Tanjungpandan, Polairud Police Beltim, Tagana and assisted the local fishermen.

At that time, fishermen who were fishing in the waters of Coconut Kampit heard a loud explosion. However, the latter should not be able to see directly the source of the explosion was hearing.

Source explosion thought to have come from the area waters Jackfruit Island, Coconut Kampit. Distance point explosion sound estimated 5-mile from Coconut Kampit and Bird Bath Beach, District Damar.

However, the fishermen have not been able to ascertain the source of the explosion is AirAsia flight to Singapore route Surabaya missing or not. "There are a number of fishermen who heard the explosion, but not yet certain. But the location location near the island of Jackfruit," said Danpos manggar Navy, Marine Lieutenant Purwanto.

Post a search command post in the Navy manggar may be seen the Regent Beltim Basuri Tjahaja Purnama was with Danlanud HAS Tanjungpandan Colonel Pilot Setiawan and Kasatpol airud Police Beltim Yanto.

Coordination is done to perform a search Airasia ill-fated plane by deploying a fleet of ships, including fishing boats.

In fact, a number of the fleet has been dispatched to conduct searches in the waters of the crash site. Police Chief Superintendent Nugraha Belitung Trihadi stated, the team rolled into unexpected locations with an estimated 4 to 5 hour trip from manggar.

Search team consisting of the Air Force, Navy, Polair, Basarnas, Tagana and also involve fishermen, continued to coordinate. Had predicted the existence of the coordinates in the waters of Cape Kelumpang, approximately 32 miles from the Postal Police Polair Beltim based on a count of the team of the police, Air Force and Navy. In search of the expected weather adapted to support the team.

"So far the weather was cloudy, we also continue to coordinate with BMKG," said Nugraha.

There are at least 6 boats come to search, among other 2 Beltim Police Polair ship, ship Polair Babylon, Department of Marine and Fisheries vessels, Navy ships, boats Basarnas, and will bring the Air Force Hercules aircraft. Each vessel contained about 10 personnel. "The ship deployed in around dots suspected," said Nugraha.

Until last night, the location of the aircraft fell still confusing and there is no certainty. A joint team to continue conducting searches last night and have not found signs or clues that led to the fateful crash site.

In Beltim focused on team coordination point manggar to concentrate searching Aik Masin waters spread to Book Lemons, Cape Kelumpang waters and waters Rattan Island. While the team of Belitung who participated in it Regent Pacific Sahani Saleh of waters along the southern District of Membalong or the Pacific toward the waters by boat Expres manggar Bahari.

"Right now we have nothing," said one of the officers KSOP Iswandi Tanjungpandan who participated in the ship Express Bahari, overnight.

In H.AS service Hanandjoeddin Tanjungpandan also diinfokan will arrive a few helicopters and aircraft calibration to help search. Including military aircraft types hercules. While other preparation done by alerting hospitals Belitung regency Belitung province to provide help when needed at any time.

"We are ready to deliver 50 bed patients, drugs or pharmaceuticals. Including infusion we have prepared," said Director of the Pacific District Hospital, Dr. Hendra. (Sue / trh / lay / YUD / eza / feb / kin / mg2)

ups, didn't saw JP's post

 

[Tony]

The reading in the link below is from a psychic woman who I think is always very close to the truth. I am very interested to she if she is right again, about what happened to the missing QZ8501. Time will tell!

_http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/missing-flight-airasia-flight-qz8501.html?m=1

 

[aragorn]

The reading in the link below is from a psychic woman who I think is always very close to the truth. I am very interested to she if she is right again, about what happened to the missing QZ8501. Time will tell!

_http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/missing-flight-airasia-flight-qz8501.html?m=1

To me, the version of this "psychic woman" sounds as plausible as the official account of 9/11. :D

I'd say, whether she is doing this consciously or not, this is just clever propaganda to blame the Muslims, once again.

 

[RAJAWANG]

The reading in the link below is from a psychic woman who I think is always very close to the truth. I am very interested to she if she is right again, about what happened to the missing QZ8501. Time will tell!

_http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/missing-flight-airasia-flight-qz8501.html?m=1

To me, the version of this "psychic woman" sounds as plausible as the official account of 9/11. :D

I'd say, whether she is doing this consciously or not, this is just clever propaganda to blame the Muslims, once again.

I agree. I listened to her on you tube, she envisioned the plane making a pitstop in Bangka island, which is a major tourist destination airport in South Sumatra, therefore impossible to have happened unnoticed. Although there are 2 names on the passenger as published by the authority that may fit the profile of local ISIS supporters. sitting on 12A and 12B. http://www.dephub.go.id/public/0506_001%20PAX%20AWQ8501.pdf

 

[Tony]

To me, the version of this "psychic woman" sounds as plausible as the official account of 9/11. :D

I'd say, whether she is doing this consciously or not, this is just clever propaganda to blame the Muslims, once again.

She is putting her reputation on the line by coming out so early with these predictions but I hope she is right. It would be great having someone like her giving us the inside story and we can compare what she says with what the C's report.
Hopefully we will get the full story soon, but considering what happened with the last to missing air liners, I won't hold my breath waiting.

 

[Laura]

To me, the version of this "psychic woman" sounds as plausible as the official account of 9/11. :D

I'd say, whether she is doing this consciously or not, this is just clever propaganda to blame the Muslims, once again.

She is putting her reputation on the line by coming out so early with these predictions but I hope she is right. It would be great having someone like her giving us the inside story and we can compare what she says with what the C's report.
Hopefully we will get the full story soon, but considering what happened with the last to missing air liners, I won't hold my breath waiting.

Better take a screenshot and post her text here in case it gets scrubbed.

 

[Laura]

Saying that the missing jet is "likely at the bottom of the sea" is a quick and easy way to take the pressure off. Now they can search for months and if they never find it, it will just fade away...

 

[WIN 52]

With mind control being the big elephant in the room, we all need to be aware and try to not put too much credence in messages that come about high profile issues like this. There are many ways for this type of communication to be dangerous.

Know your self and trust your intuition. "Be true to yourself" The rest is most likely some sort of distraction. Many have good intentions which opens up opportunity. Remember who is dealing with a stacked deck of cards!