Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians

Well if you can discover anything more about the castles' links to the Templars and Rosicrucians, please feel free to share with us.
In fact I just came back from a visit to Lockenhaus. Very impressing to see this old castle, especially the ceremony room. There is a big difference between just seeing pictures and actually being in the place. And also being aware of that net they had built all over Austria. A guy named Gerhard Vulfing wrote a book about the templars in Austria - and some others. As far as I could see he does not mention the Rosicrucians. I intend to contact him to find out if he knows more . .

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Thats the link to one of his books, just to give you an impression. I think he is more a popular writer, but one never knows. It is in German of course, but fortunately we have this Translation tools nowadays. :-D

 
In fact I just came back from a visit to Lockenhaus. Very impressing to see this old castle, especially the ceremony room. There is a big difference between just seeing pictures and actually being in the place. And also being aware of that net they had built all over Austria. A guy named Gerhard Vulfing wrote a book about the templars in Austria - and some others. As far as I could see he does not mention the Rosicrucians. I intend to contact him to find out if he knows more . .

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Thats the link to one of his books, just to give you an impression. I think he is more a popular writer, but one never knows. It is in German of course, but fortunately we have this Translation tools nowadays. :-D


Yes, I agree with you. If you are sensitive, you can often pick up on a vibe about a place, whether good or bad. I wonder what mysterious ceremonies that impressive looking ceremonial hall beheld in the past?

I have to confess that Austria is not a country that one normally associates with a strong Templar presence but this would seem to be an incorrect analysis, as they would appear to have had a significant presence there. The legend holds that the Templars played a major part in helping to create what would become the Swiss Federation, the Swiss flag seemingly being an inverted form of the Templar flag. And, of course, Switzerland became a major banking centre over the course of time, which makes one wonder how much the underground Templars may have been behind this, given the Templars renown as bankers in medieval times. Did they leave such a legacy in Austria I wonder?

Anyway, thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention. It would be good to find a link between the Templars and the Rosicrucians in Austria. There definitely was something going on between the two groups in the past that may have carried over to the Templars' successors in the Freemasons​
 
I agree with you. I think the C's were having a bit of fun with Laura in this session by adopting German responses. Is Grimmschakler even a real German name? "Schakler" could in English be viewed as a misspelling of the word "shackle" with all the connotations of that word including leg shackles or leg irons making you a prisoner. In German, the equivalent word is Schäkel. So would a "schakler" be one who shackles you with the prefix "Grimm" conveying the sense of the "grim shackler". Given the program that the philanthropic Klaus Schwab and his WEF have in mind for us, this is not a bad description really.

ChatGPT couldn't help me while searching for the family name 'Grimmschackler'.
Its reaction was the name was either 'very seldom' or it was spelled wrongly.



There have been previous comments on this thread about the C's weird response (see highlighted wording below) to Laura's question as to whether these Nazi refugees had used the Bell to transport themselves to Antarctica and in time as well. I understand that in German the C's response is what we would describe in English as gibberish or nonsense.

As it took the Nazis from 1941 to 1945 to relocate to Antarctica (and South America) the transports must have been undertaken by submarines especially since quite a number of the newest Type XXI submarines went missing in early 1945 seemingly without having been involved in military operations.

This could by the way explain why Hitler was drawing out the war so long, not only because of Nazi fanaticism, but because the SS needed as much time as they could get to withdraw their assets to the global south.

As I have written elsewhere, Bulwer-Lytton was a leading English Rosicrucian and statesman who was also a member of the Orphic Circle that conducted channelling sessions in Victorian times. Rather as the Thule Society would later channel the Antareans, it is probable that the Orphic Circle channelled 4D STS including perhaps members of the Nation of the Third Eye. This would certainly explain how Bulwer-Lytton was able to so accurately describe the Vril-ya subterranean society and their powers in his book.

I'd suggest that all of this Antarean and Aldebaran business was related to our intraterrestrial neighbors as well. When the tide of war was turning they wouldn't let the Nazis go to waste and offered them instructions where they could find large caves beneath Antarctica.

As like attracts like I'm wondering what kind of mindset the subterraneans actually have.
 
More Grimm stuff-

People have often punned about Grimm's fairy tales being very grim. For example, TV Tropes has the trope Grimmification about tales being made more grim. (The Brothers Grimm didn't engage in Grimmification - they didn't need to. In fact, they Disneyfied.)

Are the two words "grim" and "Grimm" etymologically related?

The English edition of Wiktionary does not have an entry for "Grimm", nor does the Online Etymology Dictionary.
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It is clear that Old English grimm is cognate with Ger grimm(ig); Koebler Althochdeutscheswörterbuch) refers this to Pokorny (Indo-European Etymological Dictionary) 458, where it is derived from PIE root *ghrem-2, “heavy sound, thunder, grumble”.

However, Koebler also notes a similar word, grimo, “helmet, mask”, which I imagine is what your informant who suggested “hooded” was referring to; it’s cognate with OE and Icelandic grima, from which Tolkien took the name of the evil counsellor Grima Wormtongue.

 
ChatGPT couldn't help me while searching for the family name 'Grimmschackler'.
Its reaction was the name was either 'very seldom' or it was spelled wrongly.





As it took the Nazis from 1941 to 1945 to relocate to Antarctica (and South America) the transports must have been undertaken by submarines especially since quite a number of the newest Type XXI submarines went missing in early 1945 seemingly without having been involved in military operations.

This could by the way explain why Hitler was drawing out the war so long, not only because of Nazi fanaticism, but because the SS needed as much time as they could get to withdraw their assets to the global south.



I'd suggest that all of this Antarean and Aldebaran business was related to our intraterrestrial neighbors as well. When the tide of war was turning they wouldn't let the Nazis go to waste and offered them instructions where they could find large caves beneath Antarctica.

As like attracts like I'm wondering what kind of mindset the subterraneans actually have.
Well, the C's have said that the Nation of the Third Eye types are all Aryan and STS orientated. I would suggest that as pure Aryan Atlanteans they probably have a master race complex themselves. It seems Hitler was under their control in the same way they have recently hinted that Netanyahu is today:
Q: (L) Was Adolf Hitler possessed by demons or evil spirits? 13

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was Adolf Hitler under the control of the negatively oriented aliens?

A: Close. [MJF: This answer suggests that he was under the control of our intra-terrestrial neighbours since they are not aliens]

Although this next passage suggests that the Lizzies also played a part in concert with the underworlders, who are, of course, in league with the STS Orions and part of the Orion command structure that included the Antarean STS humanoids as well:​

Q: (L) What influence was Adolf Hitler under when he undertook to do the things he did. Who was guiding him?

A: Lizards. Indirectly.

Q: (L) What connection did they use to influence him?

A: Projected beings of human type, inspired forms of great Aryan spirits.

I recall reading that Hitler was once found in his room absolutely terrified and talking about seeing Aryan supermen. Perhaps this is what the C's are referring to above. There are other extracts where the C's speak of Hitler being mind controlled by STS forces such as this one here:​

Session 24 September 1995:

Q: (L) Why was Hitler so determined, beyond all reason, even to his own self-destruction, to annihilate the Jews?

A: Many reasons and very complex. But, remember, while still a child, Hitler made a conscious choice to align himself with the "forces of darkness," in order to fulfil his desires for conquest and to unite the Germanic peoples. Henceforth, he was totally controlled, mind, body, and soul, by STS forces.

Q: (L) So, what were the purposes of the STS forces that were controlling Hitler causing him to desire to annihilate an entire group of people?

A: To create an adequate "breeding ground" for the reintroduction of the Nephalim, for the purpose of total control of the 3rd density earth prior to elevation to 4th density, where such conquest is more difficult and less certain!

Q: (L) Do you mean "breeding ground" in the sense of genetic breeding?

A: Yes. Third density.

Q: (L) Did they accomplish this goal?

A: No.

Q: (L) So, the creation of the Germanic "Master Race" was what they were going after, to create this "breeding ground?"

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, getting rid of the Jews was significant? Couldn't a Germanic master race be created without destroying another group?

A: No.

Q: Why?

A: Because of 4th density prior encoding mission destiny profile.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: This means encoding to activate after elevation to 4th density, thus if not eliminated, negates Nephalim domination and absorption. Jews were prior encoded to carry out mission after conversion, though on individual basis. The Nazis did not exactly know why they were being driven to destroy them, because they were being controlled from 4th density STS. But, Hitler communicated directly with Lizards, and Orion STS, and was instructed on how to create the "master race."

Q: (L) And they were going to use this as their basis to introduce a new blend of the Nephilim... (RC) And the New World Order... their version of it. (L) Well, what is the plan now?

A: We cannot tell you this yet, as you would seek to reveal it prematurely, leading to your destruction!!!!

Are we starting to get an idea of the new plan though when you look at how Western Europe has seen a massive influx of migrants tantamount to an invasion of non-Europeans over the last 30 years since this session took place. Most western Europeans are Semites according to the C's and thus have the prior encoding mission destiny profile the C's speak of, as do the Sephardic (Abrahamic) Jews who in my view are the descendants of Scythian Celts who came from Aryan stock:
Session 20 October 2005:

Q: (Galahad) In reading through the transcripts in the 9/11 book, I was confused about the genetic tweak that was made 130,000 years ago. Was that a tweak that was done to all the Semites, so it wasn’t only the Jews?

A: Question is what is a Semite?

Q: (Galahad) You make a remark that this thing with Hitler goes off planet. So was this something that was going on on Kantek before it exploded?

A: Yes.

Q: (Galahad) Did the Semites have a significant role in the collapse of Atlantis?

A: Indeed!

Q: (Galahad) So, when we’re looking at a replay, we’re REALLY looking at a replay!

A: Yup.

Q: (Discussion of who are the Semites) (Galahad) So the real Semites are the Aryans?

A: You got it!

Q: (L) So that means that the rank and file of Jews that have carried the tradition, the Arabic types, just took on the tradition and carried it... They were just intermediaries. They stole the significator of the original Semites and applied it to themselves. (Perceval) Semites is like Middle Eastern, isn’t it?

A: Is it? Was it?

Q: (Galahad) Then the genetic tweak, was it made in the Aryan Semites or was it made in the Jews that we know as Jews today?

A: Aryan. Reason for destruction of Jews of the “Abrahamic” line.

So it makes sense to me for STS forces to reduce the birth rate of western Europeans and bring in non-Semites to replace them in order to improve their chances of world conquest at the 4D level. The C's elaborated more on the subject of Semitic genetics in the next session:

Session 7 October 1995:
Q: (L) I have thought about my question from the last session, and I want to ask it this way: You have said that Hitler received instructions from higher density beings about creating a 'Master Race.' Why were the Aryan genetic types seen to be more desirable for creation of this Germanic 'master race?'

A: Both similarity and ancestral link most unblemished from Orion 3rd and 4th density stock.

Q: (L) So they were essentially trying to breed a group of people like themselves?

A: Yes.

Q: Didn’t it occur to them that they could do this more easily?

A: Not point. How would you suggest creation?

Q: (L) Okay. They were preparing this breeding ground, so to speak. Obviously this was for the introduction of some other genetic strain. What was this?

A: Nephalim.

Q: (L) Well, if the Nephilim are coming in ships, 36 million of them, why bother to create half-breeds here?

A: Yes, but having an "advance party" makes 3rd density conquest much easier.

Q: (L) So, this Master Race was supposed to get everything ready...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, what is it about the Semitic genes that was considered to be so undesirable in the creation of this 'Master Race?'

A: Would blemish genetic characteristics inclined to ruthlessness and domination.

Q: (L) So, you are saying that there is something, some genetic tendency or set of genes in the Semitic type that would counteract this?

A: Close.

Well, speaking as an Irish Celt myself, I know that Celts tend to be non-conformists by nature and prefer a laissez faire environment. Perhaps it is not for nothing then that STS forces may have inspired the Romans, who were the great exemplifiers in the ancient world of ruthlessness and domination, to conquer the Celtic nations including Britain.

Given what is happening in the world right now, where American military forces have just carried out an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, perhaps we are entering into the endgame as we see the plans of the New Atlantis (the New World Order) unravel before our eyes.​
 
@MJF,

This thread is full of interesting and probably related mysteries. I think you do a great comprehensive job in your research. I hope your mother gets better. It so difficult for any of us to deal with memory loss of our loved ones.

Considering time machines, underground bases, various versions of the Ark of the Covenant, and the Mother Stone I am noticing there are possibly both STS and STO devices to identify.

With all the fighting with Iran and Israel I am hoping we might get some STO help to have a more "level playing field".

There is an "object that is of great usefulness"/"lensing device" that the STO have in "safe keeping" that might be nice to have for the good guys:



Q: (L) We were making some theories about this object that Vincent Bridges was looking for - the Ark of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail. I believe that we understand that this is an object that is of great usefulness, some kind of lensing device. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this something that the STS groups - yeah, we know everybody on earth is STS, but I mean the heavy duty ones - had at one time and then lost, or lost control of?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How did they lose it?

A: It was not so much "lost" as it was "retrieved" and put away for safe keeping.

Q: (R & L) Who retrieved it?

A: 4th density STO mission.

Q: (L) Who is it that is looking for it? Is it 3rd density STS or 4th density?

A: Both.

Q: (L) If it is a 3rd density device why do 4th density critters want it?

A: It is a trans-density device.

Q: (L) Well if 4th density STS are so technically advanced how come they can't just make another one?

A: This item is tuned by consciousness. It is of such a frequency that STS gifts are not capable of such precision. The range includes multiple possibility vectors. STS operates within a narrow range.

Q: (R) So they can't make it, but they can use it. So they have to find one that is already created. (L) Is that possible? (A) Operated by consciousness. (L)They said tuned not operated. First of all we want to ask whether they mean tuned as in tuned when it was created or as tuned as in using. (A) There is this scenario that they will wait until the STO guy will find it and tune it, and still only then they will jump on 'em. (L) Right. Do you mean tuned as in the tuning of the creation or the tuning of the operation?

A: Creation.


Q: (A) Okay. Once it is tuned, it is tuned, right? (R) Yeah. And if it was similar to our simulation then tuning is done by exposing it to similar frequencies. (L) Or maybe assembling it by virtue of frequencies that are produced. But it still needs to be established whether or not they can see it. So we have theorized that the reason they can't find it, the only reason we can see for why they can't find it, is because for some reason it is protected by frequency or something and that they don't know where it is either. Is this correct?

A: Mostly. They have a general idea.

Q: What specifically prevents them from isolating the exact spot and getting it?

A: Occlusion.


Q: (A) What is occlusion? (R) I think that's similar to ...

A: Frequency fence.

Q: (R) Which is similar to what we've been talking about. If you don't have the same frequency it's ... (L) Or they can set a frequency around it that these guys can't tune to and can't penetrate. (R) It becomes invisible in some sense. (L) But they can still in some way detect a region or something. But it can be like noise or something maybe; so much noise that they can't isolate the signal. Is this the reason these people keep coming after us, because they want us to help them find this thing? Is this the reason?

A: More or less. Though not the only one.

Q: (R) Well I guess another major reason is just to disrupt in general. So more or less yes, but there are other reasons. Well Jay Weidner said that they now think that Frank is going to help them find it, that he is a channel for Set. (A) We don't know if this is true. What Jay Weidner says about their hopes about Frank. If that were true they would already have Frank they would be busy with Frank and they would be leaving us alone. So, I don't think it is so important. (L) I don't either. It was just bait tossed out by Jay Weidner. (R) I was wondering about the possible positive uses of the device?

A: Multiple. In ancient times this object was called the Gift of God. It was used to aid in the manifestation of all things needful for existence.

Q: (A) Manifestation? (R) That sounds like Merkabah. The Matriarch Stone. The Mother Stone. (A) So it can do all kinds of things ... (R) Is this the Merkabah?

A: Mother Stone, yes.

Q: (R) So that's it! This is the real meaning of the Merkabah. Pretty neat. And there is only one of these available. This puts a very strange aspect on all this. (L) Where was it created?

A: Kantek.

Q: Was this what was used to help transport the Kantekkians to Earth at the time of the destruction of their planet?

A: Some of them. Others transported by Lizards.
 
It would be good to find a link between the Templars and the Rosicrucians in Austria. There definitely was something going on between the two groups in the past that may have carried over to the Templars' successors in the Freemasons
I talked to Mr. Vulfing today but as I expected he is a "dead end". He is only interested in the Templars, and mentioning the Rosicrucians and Freemasons did not bring any response from his side . . . sorry! 🥰
 
@MJF,

This thread is full of interesting and probably related mysteries. I think you do a great comprehensive job in your research. I hope your mother gets better. It so difficult for any of us to deal with memory loss of our loved ones.

Considering time machines, underground bases, various versions of the Ark of the Covenant, and the Mother Stone I am noticing there are possibly both STS and STO devices to identify.

With all the fighting with Iran and Israel I am hoping we might get some STO help to have a more "level playing field".

There is an "object that is of great usefulness"/"lensing device" that the STO have in "safe keeping" that might be nice to have for the good guys:

Thank you for your well wishes where my mother is concerned. I am pleased to say that since she has been home from hospital her memory and recollection has improved immensely. She no longer is suffering from delirium, although she remains somewhat confused at times but then she is 93. Unfortunately, her time in hospital has left her bed bound and she needs a great deal of day-today care. However, she has been doing exercises and is gradually regaining her core strength, so we are optimistic that she will be able to transfer from the bed soon to a wheelchair and perhaps start taking steps again with the aid of a frame. It helps that she is a very determined lady.

Indeed, in some ways she is in a much better state than my sister who, sadly, is back in hospital in Seattle receiving treatment. My brother did a 'Teams' session with her last week and she is now so thin that she looks like those poor people who were liberated at the Belsen Concentration Camp at the end of WW2. She really is in a bad way.

I note your comments on the possibility of discovering both STS and STO devices. One of the reasons I have taken a great deal of interest in the History Channel series The Curse of Oak Island is because the C's have said that a TDARM is buried there, which belonged to the Lizzies, so it may well be an STS device. There is a school of thought that the Knights Templar buried the Ark of the Covenant on Oak Island having discovered it during their excavations/searches in the Holy Land. The Ark itself was just a container or box for the power cell the C's spoke of that could cause such devastation to the enemies of Israel according to the biblical account. Although the power cell was not an STS device per se, it could evidently be used for STS purposes such as killing your enemies.

By way of contrast, the Grail, Merkabah or Matriarch Stone is an STO, finely tuned device that can be used to manifest things, heal people and seemingly even transport a group of refugees from Kantek to Earth in what sounds very much like teleportation. If you are familiar with my work, then you will know that I think the trans-density device in question, the Grail, is the pure crystal skull that the Knights Templar called 'Baphomet' - the Baptism of Wisdom. Although certain sacred Templar skull relics have been found over the centuries, none of them match the description of Baphomet, which suggests it is still out there somewhere waiting to be found.

The key point to take away is that the Grail is a trans-density device, meaning it can exist equally well at 3rd density or 4th density. The C's say that it is hidden by an occlusion or frequency fence. Occlusion is defined as the act or state of blocking or covering something. In my view, the occlusion hiding the Grail is a cover or screen operating at the 4th density level. Hence, it is invisible to 3rd density eyes, although those who are gifted psychics and STO orientated may be able to pierce the veil and see it. However, my gut feeling is that the Grail will not be discovered until we are on the point of transition to 4D. The C's I think hinted at this here:
Q: So, we are back to something else. I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man … and you said ‘if viewed through sheets of rain.’ So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun … the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?

A: In an offhand way.

Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about ‘sheets of rain?’

A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice.

Q: Where and WHAT chalice?

A: Wait and see!​

The C's followed this statement up with more comments on the 'sheets of rain' phenomenon in the session dated 28 May 2013 in which they spoke of a 'new world coming':
(L) So that was the last reference to the term that is exercising my mind right now: “sheets of rain”, and what brought it to my mind was of course the current state of the planet which is quite dire as far as I can see. There are enormous amounts of rain falling in many, many places. It's been raining here almost continuously since December at least, and we had rain before that. (Perceval) It's still snowing in a lot of places. (L) It's snowing in places, and you just mentioned that in this last excerpt... You said, "Sheets of rain, or dust plus electricity. Snow too." And Belibaste asked, "Because there's more dust between the ionosphere and the surface of the earth." Is that what we're looking at in the term “sheets of rain”? Something that conducts electricity... Is this related to these extreme amounts of rainfall and snowfall? Is it all electrical phenomena, like even the jet stream and all that sort of thing?

A: Indeed, and the rain can conduct.

Q: (L) Okay, so going back to my triple goddess viewed through sheets of rain, since I now have a different understanding of what these "gods" and "goddesses" represented, that they probably were cometary bodies... What you're saying, or what I'm assuming you're saying, is the triple goddess viewed through sheets of rain is essentially a comet or comets? Is it electrical discharges? (Belibaste) The cause of the sheets of rain might be the triple goddess, i.e. triple comet. (L) Oh... Is Belibaste right on that? That the cause of the sheets of rain could be a triple cometary body?

A: Close. Also consider plasma shapes including those that may appear "chalice like".

Now you will note that Laura refers in her opening comment to the current state of the planet being quite "dire", which just happens to match the C's final comment in the recent session dated 29 March 2025:

A: Yes, things may get dire as summer approaches. Just sit tight and hang on! Goodbye.

But the C's also pointed out that rain can conduct and this can therefore cause electric shocks. The mention of "shocks" links with the C's final comment in the most recent session dated 26 April 2025:

A: No dice tonight. Wait and see! You will be shocked! Goodbye.

If we combine these two statements, could they be telling us that we are now very close to the time when we will be seeing sheets of rain and the chalice (plasma discharges) they spoke of?

However, the C's clues can often be multifaceted, and their reference to a chalice could also be an indirect reference here to the Grail or the Merkabah or Matriarch Stone (N.B. crystals are considered to be stones as well), which I believe is Baphomet, since in Christian tradition the Grail was the chalice that Christ used at the Last Supper. Indeed, I think that the painter Nicholas Poussin in his famous work The Shepherds of Arcadia was in my view was using the shepherd figures to point us towards the Grail, particularly when you view the doubled-over image perspective the C's suggested to Laura, which look something like this:
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The chalice motif is well represented in this view since it can be seen (1) as a symbol created by the foliage appearing directly over the mountain in the background, (2) in the dark shadow appearing in the centre of the tombstone to which the non-bearded twin shepherds are both pointing, with the bearded shepherd forming a double-headed Janus style figure* just above it, and (3) as an almost translucent object (4D?) appearing at the foot of the painting with what seem to be two birds flanking it on either side.

*Some think that Baphomet may even be a Janus double-faced type skull, which may also link us with the Medusa, who Perseus (the original Percival grail quest figure) slew and beheaded. Medusa was one of three Gorgon sisters, thus reflecting the Triple-Goddess again and linking us back to the Grail or Matriarch Stone - recalling that Medusa could turn all to stone who gazed upon her.

The two pregnant female shepherd figures also link us with the mother goddess archetype, which brings us back to the Triple-Goddess, which in my view was an ancient, deified reference to the Grail in its matriarchal function as the 'Gift of God' that could be used to aid in the manifestation of all things needful for existence.

The fact that Poussin depicts a grail chalice made out of leaves and branches appearing atop a mountain suggests that it may be buried or occluded on a mountainside, as discussed at length in my series of articles on the 'Mountain of God'. The rogue priest Abbe Berenger Sauniere who is at the centre of the Rennes-le-Château mystery seemed to be aware that Poussin's painting revolved around the Grail, an object he perceived to be a golden chalice, which he was desperate to get his hands on.

Finally, on the subject of sheets of rain and the Grail, I would point to this further exchange with the C's in the session dated 16 July 2016:
Q: (L) Considering that sort of charge in the atmosphere kind of leads to the idea that we could be entering a period where some of those things described by the ancients like these giant plasma figures in the sky could begin occurring. Is that correct?

A: Yes. Holy Grail!

Q: (Pierre) The chalice shape of the Z pinch phenomenon.

A: Sheets of rain! Transiting realities?

Q: (L) That's a reference to a previous session where "sheets of rain" and "holy grail" were mentioned in the same session I think... Is the basic idea of the Holy Grail actually some kind of memory or record of the manifestation of some gigantic plasma phenomenon that opens a portal into another reality? Like the strange tale of the castle of the Fisher King where time stopped? And possibly something that can be utilized…?

A: Close!

Q: (L) So in other words, those things you talked about many times before – time travel and interdimensional transport - where it took like mega or gigavolts of electricity to open portals or operate... the Philadelphia Experiment type things...

A: Yes, now you are tracking well!

Q: (L) So we're onto something here.

So, are we now fast approaching that time when the Grail may finally be found as we transit realities?

As to the current fighting between Iran and Israel and the prospect of it starting World War Three, this extract from the transcripts may be of some relevance here:

(L) Well, Edgar Cayce said that World War III would start in the Middle East or thereabouts and that Syria and Turkey and all this was involved. I don't remember the exact details of what was said. But it really looks like they're gonna try to push it to that direction.

A: Or other "world" events may intervene.

Q: (L) Such as comets or weather or something?

A: Yes.
 
Although I am working on my Francis Bacon article, I still tend to clip articles that I see online which support things the C's have told us in the past. One such example is the origins of the Piri Reis Map, which showed the continent of Antarctica ice free long before it was officially discovered by English explorer James Cook when he passed through the Antarctic circle for the first time in 1773. The C's commented on the Piri Reis Map or Portolan chart in the session dated 5 December 1998:

Q: (L) In that sense... (A) Okay, this brings us to the question about the Piri Reis map. We wanted to know the origin of this map?

A: Complex, but the origin would date back to 14,000 B.C.

Q: (A) Atlantis?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was this map drawn when Antarctica was NOT covered by ice?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Antarctica not covered by ice because the poles were in a different location?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because the entire planet was not covered by ice?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because it was in a different location itself?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why was it not covered by ice? (A) Because the climate was warmer.

A: Technologically achieved.

Q: (L) Why would somebody want to technologically warm Antarctica if the whole rest of the planet was available for use? What is so special about Antarctica?

A: The whole rest of the planet was available for use? Not hardly.

Q: (L) Why was the rest of the planet not available for use?

A: Ice.

Q: (L) So, the rest of the planet WAS covered by ice?

A: No.

Q: (L) There is something I am missing here. (A) Much of the planet was covered by ice, but not all.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, instead of using the areas that were NOT covered by ice, why, in particular, was Antarctica...

A: What?!?

Q: (L) What I am getting at is: why go to all the trouble to thaw out a whole big island if it might have been easier to have been somewhere else?

A: Well, first of all, we thought this was Ark's turn. But, since you have asked, is it not obvious by now? Magnetic power grid physics. EM utilization. Crystals, and the like. Seeking paths to the interior? The "Poles" know best!

Q: (A) ) Okay, now we have been brought to electromagnetism, and that was my next question. I got some very old papers by Whittaker...

A: EM generators usually employ a grid. 'Tis for field creation.

Q: (A) When you say this, you mean A grid, not THE grid?

A: Yes. Looks like a waffle iron.

Q: (A) You mean like a waffle iron that is used in transformers?

A: Okay. Why? To duplicate nature. Earth has a web, and so doeth thee!

Q: (A) Now, Earth's grid is just an imaginary grid related to field, or just a mathematic grid... no, it must really exist....

A: Yes.

Before reverting back to the Piri Reis Map, I would first make a few observations on some of the comments made by the C's in the extract above.

The first point is that 14,000 BC is roughly 3,200 years before the Deluge that saw the final end of the Atlantean empire. This suggests that the map had Atlantean origins. This session was also the first time the C's referred to the worldwide electro-magnetic power grid that was utilised by the Atlanteans and their descendants (as at Giza through the Great Pyramid). But the C's also mention in connection with the power grid "seeking paths to the interior", which brings us back to the STS Aryan underworld civilisation and Antarctica, since the continent appears to be a major portal to their subterranean bases, one which was seemingly used by the Nazis between the years 1941-45:
Q: (L) They went underground? Is that it? (T) When did they go underground?

A: Several occasions, the most recent being, on your calendar: 1941 through 1945.

Q: (L) That's when they went underground? 1941 through 1945?

A: Last episode of mass migration, mostly Deutschlanders.

Q: (T) Underground. We're talking underground, as in under the surface of the earth. Is this what we're talking about?

A: Antarctica. Under there.

Q: (T) Under Antarctica, under... Oh, in one of the big... OOOhhh!

A: Entry port.

This discussion of an underground base in Antarctica should also be linked with what the C's said in the session dated 20 May 1995:

Q: (T) Is there some kind of underground base in Antarctica?

A: Yes. Eight.

Q: (T) Are they related to the tunnels in time?

A: Vague.

Q: (T) Were any of those bases underground in Antarctica built by the Germans during World War II?

A: Sect. [MJF: The Thule Society which most probably was an Illuminati front and may also have been linked perhaps with the Roscirucians]

Q: (T) Nazis?

A: Remember, all is structured in cycles and circles.

Q: (L) In other words, these tunnels were built by and belong to the Consortium, is that correct?

A: Circles within circles.

Q: (L) Masons?

A: One example of concept.


[…]

Q: (L) Lakeland is in the centre of the state. (T) Where does it go? Are these side tunnels to a main tunnel that runs along the East coast?

A: All are interconnected.

Q: (T) So, it is like a subway or bus line? Is there a tunnel farther South of here?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) How far does the farthest South tunnel go?

A: Antarctica.

So, we have mention of an extensive underground tunnel system in the USA, which runs as far south as Antarctica. Presumably, one of the eight underground bases in Antarctica referred to above is Mausenberg, Neufriedland where the Bell or Die Glocke, the Nazi time machine, was taken - see my earlier post.

The second point I would draw your attention to is the C's use of old fashioned English in the extract such as the word "Tis" and the quaint expression "so doeth thee". This is not the only occasion where the C's have used such outdated English terms and expressions but they seldom do such things without good reason, so they may be trying to draw out attention to something by doing so. For those of you for whom English is your first language, you might only expect to encounter such old fashioned terminology today when reading the works of William Shakespeare who I and many others believe was really just a front man or non de plume for Sir Francis Bacon, perhaps western Europe's leading Rosicrucian in the early 17th century. Indeed, there may even be a possible connection between Bacon, his fellow Rosicrucians and the Turkish Admiral Piri Reis, as signified by the C's use of another old English expression "hither and yon" in the extract below:​

Q: The reason I have been focusing on Europe is because you said that this thing we were supposed to find was in the Rhineland...

A: But there are always connections, both hither and yon. Tricky those Rosicrucians, tricky. And what of Piri Reis?

Q: Well, I was already lost in a sea of puzzle pieces. Nothing like making it harder!

A: Or easier. Template... Templar... Temporary. Temperature... prime numbers, prime rib... Primary.

For good measure, we also see a reference to the Templars, who may have been the progenitors of modern Freemasonry, another organisation to which Sir Francis Bacon was allegedly associated. Indeed, there are numerous references to Freemasonry in Shakespeare's plays, which required the author, whoever he was, to have had a good working knowledge of the "Craft". The Templars may even have their own connection with Antarctica given what the C's said here:
Q: Okay. This one book I just read, the guys came across the Mandeans who talked about a star called "Merica," and from this, these geniuses deduced that the Templars sailed to America! What DID happen to the Templar fleet?

A: Sail to underworld.

Did the Templars sail to Antarctica and, like the Nazis centuries later, join the subterranean civilisation of the Nation of the Third Eye? As the C's said elsewhere, the Templars went underground not only figuratively but literally too:

Q: Speaking of these tall guys, William Wallace's life was sort of symbolic, in my mind, and he was supposed to have been over 6 and a half feet tall. During the time that all that mess was going on over in Scotland with Wallace and the Bruce, the Templars were being dissolved in France ...

A: Dissolved?! We think not! They merely went "underground".

Q: Is that literally or figuratively?

A: Why not both?

Q: Well, there are Templar organizations that some Masons claim to be in contact with.

A: And where do you suppose these are?

Q: Underground?

A: Bingo!

So, we learn here that there are modern Templar organisations that are still in contact with the underground Templars. Are these Templars still a standalone group with their own identity or are they now part of the Nation of the Third Eye in the same way that the Nazis who went underground in Antarctica in the 1940's have been assimilated into the subterranean civilisation according to the C's?

But what of Piri Reis? Although he died before Francis Bacon was born, he was a near contemporary of Bacon's mentor Dr John Dee who, like Reis, was one of the leading European navigators and cartographers of his day having studied cartography alongside his friend the great Flemish cartographer Gerard Mercator whilst they were students at the University of Louvain in what today is Belgium. Some think that Dee was a proto-Rosicrucian and, like Bacon. he acted as a spy whilst on business for the English Crown in Europe and was a skilled cryptographer adept at using secret codes or cyphers. It should be noted in this context that the use of symbols, codes and cyphers is a particular hallmark of the Rosicrucians. The C's use of the word "tricky" in relation to the Rosicrucians suggests a deceptiveness or deviousness on their part, which reminds me of how the C's once used the metaphor of spinning a tangled spider's web in relation to the Rosicrucians as a means of describing how they prevented people from learning their secrets:
Q: In the same vein, I have noticed that there are two classes of arachnids. There are scorpions and there are spiders. The zodiac was changed by taking the pincers away from the Scorpion and creating out of them the sign of Libra. This image was one of a woman holding a balance scales, usually blindfolded. This was done within recorded history, but was probably formalized through the occult traditions of Kaballa. Now, in trying to figure out who has on what color hat, if there is such a thing, I have come to a tentative conclusion that the spider, or spinner of webs, is the Rosicrucian encampment, and that the Scorpion represents the seeker of wisdom... because, in fact, the word for Scorpio comes from the same root as that which means to pierce or unveil. Therefore, the Scorpion is also Perseus, per Ziu, or 'for God.' And the Rosicrucians are the 'other,' so to speak. Can you elaborate on this for me? Or comment?

A: What a tangled web we spin, when we must not let you in.

So, was Piri Reis in some way connected to the Rosicrucians? I somehow doubt it. It is most likely that he incorporated western European geographic elements into his famous world map of 1513, including a long lost map of Christopher Columbus. The Piri Reis Map is in fact a portolan chart with compass roses or azimuthal projections from which lines of bearing radiate rather than lines of longitude and latitude. He drew this and other maps up whilst he was based in Istanbul/Constantinople, so he may have had access to older maps including those preserved in the records of the Byzantine Emperors that were inherited by the Sultans of Turkey through conquest. In turn, the Byzantine Emperors may have possessed material which had been rescued from the Great Library of Alexandria including ancient maps that could ultimately have been copies based on earlier Atlantean maps, some of which may have pre-dated the Deluge in 10,800 BC when Antarctica was still ice free, bearing in mind that the C's said that large volumes of water from the planet Mars was deposited as snow at the two poles after that planet's close approach to Earth, which could have been the event that in conjunction with the Younger Dryas Event brought Antarctica's ice free days to an end:
A: Mars was much closer temporarily. Tales of gods fighting in the sky and castration of Chronos relate to this event.​

Q: (Pierre) So, this massive inflow of water from Mars reaching Earth...

A: Much of it precipitated as snow at poles, and was released into oceans gradually. Water moving through space is not liquid.

Piri Reis's 1513 world map disappeared from the historical record after his execution for failing to carry out the Sultan's military orders until its rediscovery in 1929 in the Topaki Palace’s library in Istanbul. What caused such a stir at the time of its discovery was the fact that along the bottom section, the map appears to show the northern coast of Antarctica connected to South America and not covered in ice. Subsequently, in 1961, Captain Lorenzo W. Burroughs, a U.S. Air Force captain with a background in cartography, claimed that the depiction of Antarctica is accurate and that it looks like the continent before it was covered in ice. Quoting Burroughs from a letter he wrote to Dr Charles Hapgood, a professor and historian who promoted the theory of sudden crustal shift:​

“The Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land, Antarctica, appears to be truly represented on the southern sector of the Piri Reis map,” he wrote in a letter. “The agreement of the Piri Reis map with the seismic profile of this area made by the Norweigan-British-Swedish expedition of 1949 … places beyond a reasonable doubt the conclusion that the original source maps must have been made before the present Antarctic ice cap covered the Queen Maud Land coasts.”​

Hapgood claimed that in the past coastlines were exaggerated in size in order to make details easier to see. In the name of these details, coastal accuracies were often overlooked, resulting in continents that seemed more connected. But Hapgood also claimed controversially that the map proved there was an unknown advanced civilisation from the last ice age that had explored the world, and that this map was a copy of one of theirs. If we take that unknown advanced civilisation to have been Atlantis, then the C's would seem to be agreeing with him

Skeptics argued that the portion of the map which appeared to show Antarctica was actually just an extension of the South American coastline, that Piri Reis simply ran out of room and curled South America along the bottom. Indeed, Wikipedia is typically dismissive of Hapgood's claim that the landmass of Antarctica was once free of ice 6,000 years ago by pointing out that Antarctica was last ice free over ten million years ago. However, the C's have in turn contradicted Wikipedia's claim by saying that Antarctica was kept ice free by advanced technological means. Supporting this proposition and Hapgood's position, ice core samples of the Antarctic coastline have apparently fixed the last ice-free period to between 11,000 B.C. and 4,000 B.C.

It is also worth pointing out here that the C's have said that one of the purposes of the Great Pyramid of Giza was weather or climate control:
Q: (L) And what was this cosmic energy used for once it was captured?

A: Many things. Power, transport, healing, mind control, climate, et cetera.

This suggests that the Atlantean civilisation had had climate control capabilities, no doubt using advanced crystal technology to achieve this, perhaps by the use of Edgar Cayce's famous Atlantean "fire crystals". Indeed, the C's have said that Antarctica was one of the places where the Atlanteans had constructed large crystal pyramids:​

Q: (L) Besides the crystal in the Bermuda Triangle, are any of the others still active?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Does the government know about them?

A: Semi.

Q: (L) Where are the others located?

A: Off Japan; in Brazil; in Ural mountains of Russia; North and South Poles.​

For a comprehensive discussion of the mysteries surrounding the Piri Reis Map see: MSN

Intriguingly, the article makes a link between Antarctica and the Atlantean pyramids I referred to above and to the lost civilisation Charles Hapgood had proposed were the original authors of the Map:
Several years ago, though, an article went viral claiming that pyramids were discovered in Antarctica. Though the information was vague, it did include a handful of questionable images that supposedly showed the pyramids.

This caused many people to revisit the theory that a lost civilization had once roamed the frozen continent, and that the Piri Reis map may accurately depict Antarctica after all.

In further support of the claim that the Map was based on an earlier one created by an advanced civilisation, as proposed by Charles Hapgood, the Piri Reis's map appears to have used advanced spherical trigonometry. Quoting from another article on this point - see The Legendary Piri Reis Map Explained •):​

Upon closer examination, researchers noticed something even more unbelievable. It was clear that the map was using advanced spherical trigonometry in its measurements, a technique unavailable in the West until the 18th century.

Prior to that point, it was impossible to accurately determine a ship’s latitude in the Southern Hemisphere, since the only known method for doing this involved sighting the North Star, which can’t be seen in the Southern Hemisphere. Yet, somehow, the Piri Reis map had accurate latitude measurements in the Southern Hemisphere.

This meant that whatever local source maps Columbus had access to, those who made them had possessed an understanding of spherical trigonometry; they had the technology to navigate oceans and accurately chart the globe.

I set out below an image of the part of the Map that purports to show an ice free north Antarctica coastline:

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In connection with the above, I recently discovered an article, see below, in which it is revealed what Antarctica looks like naked under the huge ice sheet. Within the article you will find an image (see below) that purports to show Antarctica ice free. It would be interesting to make a comparison between the two maps given that the C's have confirmed that the Piri Reis Map is based on a much older one that predated the Deluge.

See: This is what Antarctica looks like 'naked' under huge ice sheet

This is what Antarctica looks like 'naked' under huge ice sheet​

Ellie Abraham
May 27, 2025

Despite its overwhelmingly icy appearance, Antarctica is actually a solid continent of rocky mountains and now experts know what it looks like “naked” under its huge ice sheet.

Unlike the Arctic, beneath a thick icy layer in Antarctica sits a solid continental mass of terrain that includes mountains and even volcanoes.

The world has been hidden under a frozen ice sheet an average of 2,148 meters (7,047 feet) thick. But now, a group of international scientists, led by the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), have created a ground breaking map and study revealing what lies beneath in stunning detail.
The result is Bedmap3 – a map which was made using 60 year’s worth of data gathered by satellites, ships, planes and even sleds pulled by dogs.

Mapping the topography of the bedrock involved a number of imaging techniques, which include radar, gravity measurements and seismic reflection.

In total, more than 82 million individual data points were used to construct the map, which was rendered on a 500-meter (1,640-foot) grid spacing.

Bedmap3 was the third attempt to map the bedrock under the Antarctic ice, and uses more than double the number of data points used in the previous iteration.

As a result, Bedmap3 reveals what lies beneath in much greater detail and shows the deep valleys and mountains that would otherwise not be visible.
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Crucially, the map explores the otherwise remote and harsh East Antarctica region of the continent – one of its least explored parts due to it being largely inaccessible to humans.

It is hoped the map will be used to understand how the ice sheet and meltwater may behave as global temperatures continue to rise.

This is the fundamental information that underpins the computer models we use to investigate how the ice will flow across the continent as temperatures rise. Imagine pouring syrup over a rock cake – all the lumps, all the bumps, will determine where the syrup goes and how fast.

And so it is with Antarctica: some ridges will hold up the flowing ice; the hollows and smooth bits are where that ice could accelerate,” Dr Hamish Pritchard, a glaciologist at BAS and lead author on the study, explained in a statement.

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So, is Antarctica finally revealing its hidden secrets?
 
Although I am working on my Francis Bacon article, I still tend to clip articles that I see online which support things the C's have told us in the past. One such example is the origins of the Piri Reis Map, which showed the continent of Antarctica ice free long before it was officially discovered by English explorer James Cook when he passed through the Antarctic circle for the first time in 1773. The C's commented on the Piri Reis Map or Portolan chart in the session dated 5 December 1998:



Before reverting back to the Piri Reis Map, I would first make a few observations on some of the comments made by the C's in the extract above.

The first point is that 14,000 BC is roughly 3,200 years before the Deluge that saw the final end of the Atlantean empire. This suggests that the map had Atlantean origins. This session was also the first time the C's referred to the worldwide electro-magnetic power grid that was utilised by the Atlanteans and their descendants (as at Giza through the Great Pyramid). But the C's also mention in connection with the power grid "seeking paths to the interior", which brings us back to the STS Aryan underworld civilisation and Antarctica, since the continent appears to be a major portal to their subterranean bases, one which was seemingly used by the Nazis between the years 1941-45:


This discussion of an underground base in Antarctica should also be linked with what the C's said in the session dated 20 May 1995:



So, we have mention of an extensive underground tunnel system in the USA, which runs as far south as Antarctica. Presumably, one of the eight underground bases in Antarctica referred to above is Mausenberg, Neufriedland where the Bell or Die Glocke, the Nazi time machine, was taken - see my earlier post.

The second point I would draw your attention to is the C's use of old fashioned English in the extract such as the word "Tis" and the quaint expression "so doeth thee". This is not the only occasion where the C's have used such outdated English terms and expressions but they seldom do such things without good reason, so they may be trying to draw out attention to something by doing so. For those of you for whom English is your first language, you might only expect to encounter such old fashioned terminology today when reading the works of William Shakespeare who I and many others believe was really just a front man or non de plume for Sir Francis Bacon, perhaps western Europe's leading Rosicrucian in the early 17th century. Indeed, there may even be a possible connection between Bacon, his fellow Rosicrucians and the Turkish Admiral Piri Reis, as signified by the C's use of another old English expression "hither and yon" in the extract below:



For good measure, we also see a reference to the Templars, who may have been the progenitors of modern Freemasonry, another organisation to which Sir Francis Bacon was allegedly associated. Indeed, there are numerous references to Freemasonry in Shakespeare's plays, which required the author, whoever he was, to have had a good working knowledge of the "Craft". The Templars may even have their own connection with Antarctica given what the C's said here:


Did the Templars sail to Antarctica and, like the Nazis centuries later, join the subterranean civilisation of the Nation of the Third Eye? As the C's said elsewhere, the Templars went underground not only figuratively but literally too:



So, we learn here that there are modern Templar organisations that are still in contact with the underground Templars. Are these Templars still a standalone group with their own identity or are they now part of the Nation of the Third Eye in the same way that the Nazis who went underground in Antarctica in the 1940's have been assimilated into the subterranean civilisation according to the C's?

But what of Piri Reis? Although he died before Francis Bacon was born, he was a near contemporary of Bacon's mentor Dr John Dee who, like Reis, was one of the leading European navigators and cartographers of his day having studied cartography alongside his friend the great Flemish cartographer Gerard Mercator whilst they were students at the University of Louvain in what today is Belgium. Some think that Dee was a proto-Rosicrucian and, like Bacon. he acted as a spy whilst on business for the English Crown in Europe and was a skilled cryptographer adept at using secret codes or cyphers. It should be noted in this context that the use of symbols, codes and cyphers is a particular hallmark of the Rosicrucians. The C's use of the word "tricky" in relation to the Rosicrucians suggests a deceptiveness or deviousness on their part, which reminds me of how the C's once used the metaphor of spinning a tangled spider's web in relation to the Rosicrucians as a means of describing how they prevented people from learning their secrets:



So, was Piri Reis in some way connected to the Rosicrucians? I somehow doubt it. It is most likely that he incorporated western European geographic elements into his famous world map of 1513, including a long lost map of Christopher Columbus. The Piri Reis Map is in fact a portolan chart with compass roses or azimuthal projections from which lines of bearing radiate rather than lines of longitude and latitude. He drew this and other maps up whilst he was based in Istanbul/Constantinople, so he may have had access to older maps including those preserved in the records of the Byzantine Emperors that were inherited by the Sultans of Turkey through conquest. In turn, the Byzantine Emperors may have possessed material which had been rescued from the Great Library of Alexandria including ancient maps that could ultimately have been copies based on earlier Atlantean maps, some of which may have pre-dated the Deluge in 10,800 BC when Antarctica was still ice free, bearing in mind that the C's said that large volumes of water from the planet Mars was deposited as snow at the two poles after that planet's close approach to Earth, which could have been the event that in conjunction with the Younger Dryas Event brought Antarctica's ice free days to an end:



Piri Reis's 1513 world map disappeared from the historical record after his execution for failing to carry out the Sultan's military orders until its rediscovery in 1929 in the Topaki Palace’s library in Istanbul. What caused such a stir at the time of its discovery was the fact that along the bottom section, the map appears to show the northern coast of Antarctica connected to South America and not covered in ice. Subsequently, in 1961, Captain Lorenzo W. Burroughs, a U.S. Air Force captain with a background in cartography, claimed that the depiction of Antarctica is accurate and that it looks like the continent before it was covered in ice. Quoting Burroughs from a letter he wrote to Dr Charles Hapgood, a professor and historian who promoted the theory of sudden crustal shift:



Hapgood claimed that in the past coastlines were exaggerated in size in order to make details easier to see. In the name of these details, coastal accuracies were often overlooked, resulting in continents that seemed more connected. But Hapgood also claimed controversially that the map proved there was an unknown advanced civilisation from the last ice age that had explored the world, and that this map was a copy of one of theirs. If we take that unknown advanced civilisation to have been Atlantis, then the C's would seem to be agreeing with him

Skeptics argued that the portion of the map which appeared to show Antarctica was actually just an extension of the South American coastline, that Piri Reis simply ran out of room and curled South America along the bottom. Indeed, Wikipedia is typically dismissive of Hapgood's claim that the landmass of Antarctica was once free of ice 6,000 years ago by pointing out that Antarctica was last ice free over ten million years ago. However, the C's have in turn contradicted Wikipedia's claim by saying that Antarctica was kept ice free by advanced technological means. Supporting this proposition and Hapgood's position, ice core samples of the Antarctic coastline have apparently fixed the last ice-free period to between 11,000 B.C. and 4,000 B.C.

It is also worth pointing out here that the C's have said that one of the purposes of the Great Pyramid of Giza was weather or climate control:



This suggests that the Atlantean civilisation had had climate control capabilities, no doubt using advanced crystal technology to achieve this, perhaps by the use of Edgar Cayce's famous Atlantean "fire crystals". Indeed, the C's have said that Antarctica was one of the places where the Atlanteans had constructed large crystal pyramids:


For a comprehensive discussion of the mysteries surrounding the Piri Reis Map see: MSN

Intriguingly, the article makes a link between Antarctica and the Atlantean pyramids I referred to above and to the lost civilisation Charles Hapgood had proposed were the original authors of the Map:



In further support of the claim that the Map was based on an earlier one created by an advanced civilisation, as proposed by Charles Hapgood, the Piri Reis's map appears to have used advanced spherical trigonometry. Quoting from another article on this point - see The Legendary Piri Reis Map Explained •):​



I set out below an image of the part of the Map that purports to show an ice free north Antarctica coastline:


In connection with the above, I recently discovered an article, see below, in which it is revealed what Antarctica looks like naked under the huge ice sheet. Within the article you will find an image (see below) that purports to show Antarctica ice free. It would be interesting to make a comparison between the two maps given that the C's have confirmed that the Piri Reis Map is based on a much older one that predated the Deluge.

See: This is what Antarctica looks like 'naked' under huge ice sheet

This is what Antarctica looks like 'naked' under huge ice sheet​

Ellie Abraham
May 27, 2025

Despite its overwhelmingly icy appearance, Antarctica is actually a solid continent of rocky mountains and now experts know what it looks like “naked” under its huge ice sheet.

Unlike the Arctic, beneath a thick icy layer in Antarctica sits a solid continental mass of terrain that includes mountains and even volcanoes.

The world has been hidden under a frozen ice sheet an average of 2,148 meters (7,047 feet) thick. But now, a group of international scientists, led by the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), have created a ground breaking map and study revealing what lies beneath in stunning detail.
The result is Bedmap3 – a map which was made using 60 year’s worth of data gathered by satellites, ships, planes and even sleds pulled by dogs.

Mapping the topography of the bedrock involved a number of imaging techniques, which include radar, gravity measurements and seismic reflection.

In total, more than 82 million individual data points were used to construct the map, which was rendered on a 500-meter (1,640-foot) grid spacing.

Bedmap3 was the third attempt to map the bedrock under the Antarctic ice, and uses more than double the number of data points used in the previous iteration.

As a result, Bedmap3 reveals what lies beneath in much greater detail and shows the deep valleys and mountains that would otherwise not be visible.

Crucially, the map explores the otherwise remote and harsh East Antarctica region of the continent – one of its least explored parts due to it being largely inaccessible to humans.

It is hoped the map will be used to understand how the ice sheet and meltwater may behave as global temperatures continue to rise.

This is the fundamental information that underpins the computer models we use to investigate how the ice will flow across the continent as temperatures rise. Imagine pouring syrup over a rock cake – all the lumps, all the bumps, will determine where the syrup goes and how fast.

And so it is with Antarctica: some ridges will hold up the flowing ice; the hollows and smooth bits are where that ice could accelerate,” Dr Hamish Pritchard, a glaciologist at BAS and lead author on the study, explained in a statement.

***************************************​

So, is Antarctica finally revealing its hidden secrets?
Here's a small article on a 11,000 year old stone circle found of the isle of Skye in Scotland.
Thx MJF for the fantastic articles over time and best to your mom and sister.


Isle of Skye, Scotland — A groundbreaking discovery off the coast of the Isle of Skye is rewriting the story of human migration into the far reaches of northern Scotland. Recently uncovered submerged stone circles, dating back approximately 11,000 years, suggest the earliest known human occupation of the region during the Late Upper Palaeolithic period.

Measuring between 3 and 5 meters in diameter, the stone circles were found beneath shallow coastal waters and have been remarkably well-preserved. Alongside these enigmatic structures, archaeologists also recovered stone tools, further cementing the site’s human origins.

“This is a hugely significant discovery which offers a new perspective on the earliest human occupation yet known, of north-west Scotland,” said Karen Hardy, a prehistoric archaeologist at the University of Glasgow. Hardy led the research team that published their findings in the Journal of Quaternary Science in April.

The site challenges long-standing assumptions about the limits of prehistoric habitation in the British Isles. Until now, the harsh and frigid conditions of northwest Scotland were believed to be largely uninhabited during the closing millennia of the Ice Age. However, this new evidence suggests that human groups not only ventured into these regions but also established structured, possibly ceremonial spaces like stone circles.

The findings come from two archaeological sites investigated on the Isle of Skye, which was once connected to the mainland by a land bridge during periods of lower sea levels. The submersion of the stone circles may have occurred gradually as sea levels rose at the end of the last Ice Age, offering a rare underwater snapshot of early human activity.

The recovered tools—primarily scrapers and blades—point to a hunter-gatherer society adept at surviving in challenging environments. The presence of circular stone arrangements may also hint at early ritualistic behavior or social gathering spaces, although their precise function remains speculative.

“This discovery opens a window into the resilience and adaptability of our ancestors,” Hardy added. “It also raises new questions about how widespread such activity might have been across submerged coastal regions now lost beneath the sea.”

Researchers are calling for further underwater surveys in the region, hoping that this find will lead to a broader reevaluation of submerged landscapes along Scotland’s coastlines. As more ancient sites emerge from beneath the waves, our understanding of prehistoric migration, survival, and culture in northern Europe continues to deepen.
 
Here's a small article on a 11,000 year old stone circle found of the isle of Skye in Scotland.
Thx MJF for the fantastic articles over time and best to your mom and sister.


Isle of Skye, Scotland — A groundbreaking discovery off the coast of the Isle of Skye is rewriting the story of human migration into the far reaches of northern Scotland. Recently uncovered submerged stone circles, dating back approximately 11,000 years, suggest the earliest known human occupation of the region during the Late Upper Palaeolithic period.

Measuring between 3 and 5 meters in diameter, the stone circles were found beneath shallow coastal waters and have been remarkably well-preserved. Alongside these enigmatic structures, archaeologists also recovered stone tools, further cementing the site’s human origins.

“This is a hugely significant discovery which offers a new perspective on the earliest human occupation yet known, of north-west Scotland,” said Karen Hardy, a prehistoric archaeologist at the University of Glasgow. Hardy led the research team that published their findings in the Journal of Quaternary Science in April.

The site challenges long-standing assumptions about the limits of prehistoric habitation in the British Isles. Until now, the harsh and frigid conditions of northwest Scotland were believed to be largely uninhabited during the closing millennia of the Ice Age. However, this new evidence suggests that human groups not only ventured into these regions but also established structured, possibly ceremonial spaces like stone circles.

The findings come from two archaeological sites investigated on the Isle of Skye, which was once connected to the mainland by a land bridge during periods of lower sea levels. The submersion of the stone circles may have occurred gradually as sea levels rose at the end of the last Ice Age, offering a rare underwater snapshot of early human activity.

The recovered tools—primarily scrapers and blades—point to a hunter-gatherer society adept at surviving in challenging environments. The presence of circular stone arrangements may also hint at early ritualistic behavior or social gathering spaces, although their precise function remains speculative.

“This discovery opens a window into the resilience and adaptability of our ancestors,” Hardy added. “It also raises new questions about how widespread such activity might have been across submerged coastal regions now lost beneath the sea.”

Researchers are calling for further underwater surveys in the region, hoping that this find will lead to a broader reevaluation of submerged landscapes along Scotland’s coastlines. As more ancient sites emerge from beneath the waves, our understanding of prehistoric migration, survival, and culture in northern Europe continues to deepen.

Thank you for posting this article and for your kind sentiments. It is encouraging to see that archaeologists are pushing the dating for the original prehistoric settlement of northern Europe further and further back in time and, by doing so, are linking us more closely with the timescale the C's gave for the Atlantean survivors of the Deluge, as recently discussed on the 29 April 2025 thread in relation to Gobekli Tepe.

The 11,000 year old stone circles discovered off the Isle of Skye fit in well with the recent discovery of a submerged Palaeolithic stone wall in the Baltic Sea not far from Kiel, which I recently posted about on the 29 April 2025 thread - see Session 26 April 2025

This wall, just like the stone circles found off Skye, dates back to at least 9,000 BC. Given that Dogger Land was still above sea level at that time, I wonder if the two groups who built these structures were related or linked in some way?

It is clear that the descendants of the Atlantean survivors who settled northern Europe had adopted an hunter-gatherer life style by 9,000 BC since there is no clear evidence to indicate that modern farming had emerged in this time frame, although I stand to be corrected. However, despite these people's apparent primitiveness, they were still capable of building structures like these stone circles, which have embedded within them advanced mathematical and astronomical details. Archaeologists tend to ascribe religious and calendrical purposes for the stone circles' construction but, as we learned from the C's, Stonehenge, like the Great Pyramid at Giza, was capable of capturing and distributing electrical energy. What this suggests to me was that the Atlantean scientists and engineers who survived the Deluge and regrouped at places like Gobekli Tepe, gradually morphed over time into a priesthood perhaps like the Druids, within whose ranks was kept the sacred scientific knowledge. Afterall, the C's said that Stonehenge was built by the Druids in 8,000 BC using sound wave focusing:
Q: (L) Who built Stonehenge?

A: Druids.

Q: (L) Who were the Druids?

A: Early Aryan group.

Q: (L) How did they move the stones and set them up?

A: Sound wave focusing; try it yourself; coral castle.

Q: (L) Who taught the Druids to use the sound waves?

A: They knew; handed down.

Thus, science and religion became merged as one and this merger can be seen in action in ancient Egypt where the priesthood were also the scientists who possessed the secrets of alchemy (perhaps this is where the Osirians - the progenitors of modern Freemasonry - fit into the picture?). Such secrets were certainly not intended for the profane.

In stark contrast, the ordinary people gradually declined in technical ability after the former Atlantean high tech civilisation had been obliterated in the Deluge and adopted instead a simpler lifestyle that did not rely on high tech gadgets but on what was available and readily to hand. Hence the switch to stone tools. No doubt the same would happen to our own society should we face a cataclysm that wiped out our industrial and technological base. There have been plenty of movies in recent times to address this theme. It is also instructive to watch survivorship programmes such as 'Naked and Afraid' to see how modern people can adapt quickly to primitive circumstances when they have to. It certainly would have been a case of the survival of the fittest after the Deluge.

The C's have hinted that those who do not make the grade for 4th density may face a similar fate as our Atlantean ancestors did after the Deluge should they find themselves stuck at the 3rd density level:
A: You will proceed as needed, you cannot force these events or alter the Grand Destiny.

Q: I do NOT like the sound of that! I want to go home!

A: The alternative is less appetising.

Q: Sure! I don't want to be lunch!

A: Reincarnation on a 3rd density earth as a "cave person" amidst rubble and a glowing red sky, as the perpetual cold wind whistles...

Q: Why is the sky glowing red?

A: Contemplate.

Q: Of course! Comet dust! Sure, everybody knows THAT! Wonderful!!! Anything further?

A: Stay tuned for all pertinent information.

Not a great prospect me thinks!
 
Talking about "cave persons" per my last post, I had a strange lucid dream last week that involved ape men. This was a brief but vivid dream where you see yourself in it as though it is 100% reality.

In the dream, I found myself in our back garden looking at the boundary fences at the top. I first saw a number of short wooden step ladders placed against the fences. Then to my amazement, I saw a group of hairy looking Homo Erectus type beings walking across the garden up to the ladders. One even turned around to look back at me. They then proceeded to climb the ladders and clamber over the fences and walk off into the field or meadow opposite. The group could have been a family since there was not a lot of them and they differed in size, but all of them had the same appearance. I then awoke.

Whether it was my subconscious focusing on what the C's have said as regards the transfer of the human race from the planet D'Ankhiar in the constellation of Scorpio (in a case of meet the ancestors :-)) I don't know. Could it suggest that this event is near with a star in the Scorpio constellation (Antares?) about to go supernova? Again, I don't know.

However, I am minded that Joe recently asked the C's about a decline or degradation occurring to humans after they have experienced a major cataclysm (perhaps someone can find the relevant transcript). The C's confirmed that this was in fact the case. So, perhaps my dream portends a coming human degradation for the survivors of an upcoming cataclysm.

It may just be my subjective opinion but if you look at paintings and photographs of people over the last few hundred years, there does appear to have been a gradual refinement of features over this period and our concept of beauty. Of course, ideas of what is beautiful change over the centuries. In the past, artists depicted beautiful women who today we would regard as being rather chubby or overweight. However, this ideal reflected social status, as well bred women enjoyed a much better diet with many peasant girls looking emaciated by comparison. Is it not ironic then that today the fashion houses use tall models who are stick thin. Our ancestors would be appalled and would not have considered them beautiful. Nevertheless, I can detect a difference in the appearance of English children and young people (allowing obviously for mass migration in recent times) in comparison to how my own and my parents' generation looked. This could be put down to a better diet and healthcare today but I think there is more to it than that - I would not even rule out alien (Orion) interference through abductions and breeding programmes, as confirmed by the C's.

That being said, there is no doubt that people are getting taller. I myself was over 6' tall in my prime but I feel positively short compared to many young men today. The C's confirmed recently that Atlantean men averaged 6' 6'' (2 metres) in height before Atlantis's final destruction. It seems on current trends that men will be this tall again soon. I also recall David Wilcock mentioning on an Ancient Aliens episode that the human cranium (which is tied to brain capacity) had increased by a staggering 3% in size in less than a century. Curiously, this ties in with something the C's said about the Nordic's physiology:
Q: (L) This book describes the Nordic aliens as having blood with a different chemical base than ours...

A: This is trivial disinformation, "Nordic" Physiology is identical to yours, with the exception being their cranium, which averages 3 per cent larger. Discuss for insight.

If Wilcock is correct, then humanity may already be undergoing DNA changes which could be the result of the imminent supernova (or possibly alien interference), some of the effects of which could be felt long before we witness the actual explosion that has, of course, already occurred in what we call real time.

Anyway, lucid dreams like this can be a means of transmitting useful information and I recall the C's saying early on that Laura should keep a note of her dreams. What to make it? I am not sure but any comments or views you may have on it are welcome.​
 
Talking about "cave persons" per my last post, I had a strange lucid dream last week that involved ape men. This was a brief but vivid dream where you see yourself in it as though it is 100% reality.

In the dream, I found myself in our back garden looking at the boundary fences at the top. I first saw a number of short wooden step ladders placed against the fences. Then to my amazement, I saw a group of hairy looking Homo Erectus type beings walking across the garden up to the ladders. One even turned around to look back at me. They then proceeded to climb the ladders and clamber over the fences and walk off into the field or meadow opposite. The group could have been a family since there was not a lot of them and they differed in size, but all of them had the same appearance. I then awoke.

Whether it was my subconscious focusing on what the C's have said as regards the transfer of the human race from the planet D'Ankhiar in the constellation of Scorpio (in a case of meet the ancestors :-)) I don't know. Could it suggest that this event is near with a star in the Scorpio constellation (Antares?) about to go supernova? Again, I don't know.

However, I am minded that Joe recently asked the C's about a decline or degradation occurring to humans after they have experienced a major cataclysm (perhaps someone can find the relevant transcript). The C's confirmed that this was in fact the case. So, perhaps my dream portends a coming human degradation for the survivors of an upcoming cataclysm.

It may just be my subjective opinion but if you look at paintings and photographs of people over the last few hundred years, there does appear to have been a gradual refinement of features over this period and our concept of beauty. Of course, ideas of what is beautiful change over the centuries. In the past, artists depicted beautiful women who today we would regard as being rather chubby or overweight. However, this ideal reflected social status, as well bred women enjoyed a much better diet with many peasant girls looking emaciated by comparison. Is it not ironic then that today the fashion houses use tall models who are stick thin. Our ancestors would be appalled and would not have considered them beautiful. Nevertheless, I can detect a difference in the appearance of English children and young people (allowing obviously for mass migration in recent times) in comparison to how my own and my parents' generation looked. This could be put down to a better diet and healthcare today but I think there is more to it than that - I would not even rule out alien (Orion) interference through abductions and breeding programmes, as confirmed by the C's.

That being said, there is no doubt that people are getting taller. I myself was over 6' tall in my prime but I feel positively short compared to many young men today. The C's confirmed recently that Atlantean men averaged 6' 6'' (2 metres) in height before Atlantis's final destruction. It seems on current trends that men will be this tall again soon. I also recall David Wilcock mentioning on an Ancient Aliens episode that the human cranium (which is tied to brain capacity) had increased by a staggering 3% in size in less than a century. Curiously, this ties in with something the C's said about the Nordic's physiology:



If Wilcock is correct, then humanity may already be undergoing DNA changes which could be the result of the imminent supernova (or possibly alien interference), some of the effects of which could be felt long before we witness the actual explosion that has, of course, already occurred in what we call real time.

Anyway, lucid dreams like this can be a means of transmitting useful information and I recall the C's saying early on that Laura should keep a note of her dreams. What to make it? I am not sure but any comments or views you may have on it are welcome.​
Your dream reminds me of the film “Planet of the Apes”, particularly the key passage when he sees the Statue of Liberty and realizes he's on Earth. As a child, I was astounded by this passage. It sums up so well what happened to Atlantis and soon to humanity. And the Statue of Liberty reminds me of the cover of Pierre's book with Laura on cosmic conditions.
 
Your dream reminds me of the film “Planet of the Apes”, particularly the key passage when he sees the Statue of Liberty and realizes he's on Earth. As a child, I was astounded by this passage. It sums up so well what happened to Atlantis and soon to humanity. And the Statue of Liberty reminds me of the cover of Pierre's book with Laura on cosmic conditions.
Yes, I remember it well. What an ending that was.

In the sequel Beneath the Planet of the Apes, one of the US astronauts sent to discover what had happened to the previous astronaut mission encounters an underground race of psychic, mutant humans who are descendants of the survivors of the nuclear war that had ravaged the planet. Although the mutants still retain some technical know-how, they have come to deify a surviving doomsday nuclear bomb making it the object of their worship. When the gorillas attack the underground city (what is left of New York), the bomb is detonated and the whole planet is destroyed. See: Beneath the Planet of the Apes - Wikipedia

It is curious that this movie introduced the theme of an underground human race with psychic/telepathic powers who were the descendants of a former high technology civilisation destroyed in a cataclysm (where have we heard that before :-)). It also depicts the descendants building a religion around old technology. As I mentioned in my previous post, this is what may have happened over time with the Atlantean survivors and their descendants, where technology and earlier scientific know-how became the sacred knowledge (or magic) and preserve of a priesthood such as the Druids or part of the esoteric mysteries of a secret society such as the Osirians, where such knowledge/mysteries were not to be shared with those outside of the priestly caste or secret society's ranks.

I wonder if this series of movies may have been inspired by Thor's Pantheon of Aryan psychic projectors, as they were made in the same timeframe as Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek TV series.​
 

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