I thought I would post Voyageur's posts of 1st, 2nd and 5th May 2020 in the ‘Shake-speare’: Still a Living Shaman for our Sacred Times? thread here, as it seems he was the first to make the connection between Alton Towers (Castle) and the Talbot family, the Earls of Shrewsbury. Although I arrived at the same conclusion independently, it is good to know that someone else was thinking along the same lines and making the same connections. I have only just had the chance to look at the Shakespeare thread. Hence, I thought it only right to give Voyageur proper attribution for his find.
I knew that George Talbot (6th Earl of Shrewsbury) had been Mary Queen of Scots jailer but I hadn't known she had once visited Old Hall Hotel in Buxton (fairly near to Alton Castle) in 1572, which had been built by George Talbot and Bess of Hardwick (George's wife). I could find no trace that Mary had ever visited Alton Castle though but, given its proximity to Buxton, it is not out of the question. I believe she was imprisoned at Sheffield Manor Lodge and Sheffield Castle, both owned by George Talbot.
It should also be noted that George Talbot, as the Earl of Shrewsbury, had a prominent part in Shakespeare's Henry VI.
Sir Francis Bacon had been involved in the trial of Mary Cavendish, George's step daughter and daughter-in-law, someone who Bacon had greatly admired. Bacon also knew his grand daughter, Lady Alethea Talbot, very well. Indeed, he died at her husband's (Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel) house in 1626.
Voyageur:
Had earlier caught up and what an interesting presentation, Michael B-C! Never a dot, word, line, element, or in the case of some old art, an item or posture should be dismissed, least some type of revealing shall be missed. It is a big task to keep track of all those symbols, geometry/maths and cipher's of many kinds, so in the case above, who was it ultimately being written for? Certainly, it seems to be for the eyes of rarefied groups trained to read these things and communicate with these messages - hiding in plain sight, so to speak.
Have always enjoyed 'trying' to learn and follow some of the stuff laid down in old texts, while realizing a dozen lifetimes (or less if having a super-calculating mind like some - Green here) could indeed be spent in these pursuits without a key - fascinating as they are, and one might only just get snippets of these things. It can be like what Fulcanelli in his 'The Dwellings of the Philosophers' would reveal, and many others pointing out the unseen, or even something out of a more modern day Foucault's Pendulum (Umberto Eco) novel for enjoyment.
Here in # 2 and 3 videos, it became prominent, starting off with the Pythagorean hypotenuse 3:4:5. This is the tool of choice for me finding ‘square’ when measuring, cutting and putting together simple 90's on a structure from the 345 dots in the trade for building stuff, yet Alan Green builds upon the very dots of the Sonnet page alone. Impressive.
In effort to add data, and polymath not being the line of force here, had a look back at what Laura and the C's also directly bring up Shakespeare-wize (rarely as it is), and 'Shake-speare' not at all.
Being that these are the only dedicated pages to the Shaking-spear, and not exactly following Sonnets as Michael-B.C has so eloquently laid down (yet perhaps there are connections), thus the following looks to a few entries in the Transcripts looked at some time ago, while never furthering, although, like anyone who is reading, things William Shakespeare are of interest.
Just a note: realize that there are so many scholars who work on the subject, authors of books, cryptographers, papers and articles, so the basis starts, as said, from a continuation of the Transcript questions and answers:
Which brings up:
The poet, Edmund Spenser, was said to have lived in Alton, a Shakespeare contemporary, and no mention of a Tower.
There was also a William de Alton, and although perhaps interesting (as an aside) "(born 1307) was a Dominican friar from Alton, Hampshire, who lived during the reign of Edward II. He is known for writing The Universality of the Pollution of Mankind by Original Sin. This tract on original sin argues that in its polluting all of mankind it must also have thereby polluted the Virgin Mary, thus contradicting the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception" will leave that there (note the original sin).
Alton (so it says) also appears once in Shakespeare works "Lord Verdun of Alton" related to Henry VI, Part I. Tower comes up 86 times (a number of them in Henry VI) - with a scan of some interesting uses.
Back to Alton Tower (Theme Park), at one time it was called Alton Abby, which does not have an old history (founded in 1895), so take that off the list perhaps.
There is something called "Hex – The Legend of the Towers" which is a amusement ride (walk-through) as a "dark ride experience at Alton Towers". This is what it says of it:
So, yes, there is an Alton Towers ('attraction'), yet the reality, and might be mistaken here, seems to be focused on Alton Castle of old, and there is a great discussion of it here - with some surprising features (an Octagon wing and Stonehenge reproduction et cetera):
Alton Castle.
Here is the backdrop (with some snips):
Adding a bit more begets, Mary:
There was also, of course, a Library:
And a short sentence on Stonehenge:
Nine tons each is not insignificant.
So, again the Session looked to Alton Tower (aka Alton Castle), St. Albans, with Lord Verulam always hanging around, and then brings in Elisabeth 1 - and to note Mary Queen Scot - the Catholic (some say true Queen) later the beheaded one - and once, seemingly, a guest at Alton Tower/Castle, and then there are those in and around the Elizabethan court who are none other than John Dee (for a time) and Sir Edward Kelley (Kelly) - who also goes by Edward Talbot:
As for the bold, one perhaps and perhaps not, might wonder, yet Dee, Kelley/Talbot, Bacon (and there is discussion of Shakespeare's 'possible 'Catholic leanings also read) were in orbits around Elisabeth 1 (E-1) and Mary Queen Scot (imprisoned), and implications, although a day later, or so goes the scuttlebutt, of a young Francis born To E-1 as mentioned in the transcript by Laura as "some suspect."
Before getting into this (so I don't forget), something else of John Dee comes up in a number of videos (one in particular) which might be worth mentioning related to his talking with angels. So, note in the video they are talking about Dee/Kelley communicating with angels, although it was actually Kelley (the conduit), because Dee is said to have never seen or heard them. Yet Kelley is said to have seen a giant cosmic plane – with a large 'crystal board' with letters, and the letters are each being pointed out, one by one, with a long stick held by some angelic being, which forms the words of the communications (all written down and now lost or so they say) – interesting, as people here might think it relative to words and communications which Laura does with the C's. Here is video #4 of 4 (see 20:00):
Life of Dr Dee
Quoting Laura and the C’s again:
Saint Alban
Eastern Orthodox icon of Saint Alban
The Death of St. Alban
Note the lower right panel (part of the left is not show):
“Its beauty provided a place to be hallowed by blood”
There are other depictions perhaps worth noting, and other points and controversies, yet the Church itself seemed important.
So, of St Albans, Francis Bacon is the 1st Viscount St Alban – See here - “ Roman city of Verulamium (modern St Albans)”:
... Continued (briefly):
Before I get any more confused with Towers and Castles at Alton, both are on the main estate. This confusion also goes for one crazy linage system of persons, who one minute are this (seem to be) and the next that - titles given, taken away, with marriages and illegitimate ones (not to mention children). I know all Brits have this history down pat, so bear with me.
Some clarity on Alton and Mary Queen of Scot:
Both looked to be around 1600 meters from each other – I’m sure local UK peeps will correct things, yet for outsiders it can get super confusing, such as where was Mary Queen of Scot held – she seemed to have been held all over the place in and around Alton Towers/Castle.
So, with the mention of Mary Queen of Scot (MQS) above, it seemed she was at one point ‘confided in care’ by G Talbot.
Mary Stuart (MQS)
Here is a short ‘trailer’ for I think a popular film (shot on location at Alton) that people may have seen. Is it correct?
A Vanity Fair article says of both MQS and E-1, they never actually met face to face. That seems odd.
There is a backstory here that involves Mary writing ciphers that, apparently, were intercepted and decoded. The ciphers were not complicated (often rows of alphabet with each following row moved over one place i.e. row 2 a=b et cetera. – see video #3 ‘John Dee and Tudor code-breaking’ in the post above (3:30min).
Going back to the Transcript Session June 7, 1997 on Bacon (“not only a Rosicrucian”), the Rosicrucian's were perhaps hanging around in E-1’s court and elsewhere (along with the Rose – rose buckle depicted on the shoe of Shakespeare), and Bacon, which comes back to how M.P. Hall wrote about him, allegedly vis being Shakespeare. There were other Shakespeare candidates, too, quite a few of them proposed - rather than Shakespeare himself.
I'll get to this...
In looking at the Sonnets (1609) with aspects of the following, there seems to some mention of conflicts in the Sonnet orders, such as with Sonnet 19, I think (see well below). So again, whoever wrote the Sonnets, least the plays of Shakespeare – Shake-Speare, brings things back (as Alan Green shows) to ancient history of Egypt while being hidden from plain view – then extrapolated, as Green did, and looked at with the aim to broaden horizons of understanding. It is actually incredible how many things emanate from Egypt (a relatively stable civilization for thirty or so centuries); and therein that information traveled into the future right upon the 1609 opening page of the Sonnet – quite possibly it speaks to a wide network spanning time or some sort of superluminal communication, as discussed above, concerning John Dee and the conduit - can't know.
When M.P Hall discussed Shakespeare in 1929, had thought it interesting when first read – he made the case, IMO, yet now, the more I’ve looked into it, the more it was ‘common’ knowledge not discussed – the big open secret of those ages, and yet today the screen still covers the accepted narrative in the halls of academia with William. When one sees the thousands of books written on the Shakespearean subject, the path seems pretty beaten down – still questions remain.
In another post above, had asked the question 'who were these things being written for,' and it seems that at some ‘levels’ there was this fascination for ciphers et cetera to contain old knowledge, while also using less sophisticated methods to run the state and communicate political and religious messaging; it seemed pretty ingrained in the upper elite levels, perhaps not dissimilar (although much more technical) to today’s encryption programs of communications. Some things don’t change.
Of the above, I’m moving to the opinion that while many eyes were on F. Bacon, he, like a conductor, had many 'poet pens' at the ready, and he was narrating the injustices of state and the longing for the mother of he and his brother of Essex, that could never be. It can be considered that F. Bacon had help from his adopted brother, A. Bacon, just as there were teachers (like John Dee) and statesmen at the ready, too, and a country divided on so many levels - Queens, and the least, religion.
Was looking at what Michael B-C provided by Alan Green in a broader sense, and noted, speaking of John Dee, that Alan adds that name to his book 'Dee-Coding Shakespeare' which I'll read. Of course, and have come to agree with, who knows who was on first base as to the true author(s), yet Willy...
I’ll soon leave this with the following, and big thank you, Michal B-C, for providing a place to put down these old Alton, Bacon, Shakespeare et al. bones (although the former is still an elusive Towers). As for Bacon (and all the other candidates for the mask of Shakespeare), one thing that can be easily overlooked – so I’ll place it up front, is the adopted brother, Anthony Bacon. So, as said, keep him in mind, too, as the focus often points elsewhere, or to strictly his brother, Francis.
Anthony Bacon
Between Twickenham, Gorhambury and Gray's Inn, there were possibly many “idle” pens (more on each of these places later). As for Alton Towers, do roads run through it, and when, why and who was there at the time, or is there something else?
Quickly, and back to John Dee with a reference to M.P Hall:
So, now to F. Bacon and much else during this particular century and more of time...St. Albans has a number of references, yet will add this Chronology Related to Francis Bacon's Life. With this last entry, it is broken down into two 'Spoiler' sections (as it will not fit in one). There has been a few small bits pulled out, and have bolded certain aspects for emphasis. There are also a few notes and added hyperlinks due to the subject at hand while a number of quote boxes were included offering linking data. The chronology starts well before F. Bacon and brings in E-1 and her alleged secret marriage (Dudley - Earl of Leicester) and the birth of two boys (Francis and the Earl of Essex - Robert Devereux), who then go through life wearing masks to cover their Tudor faces. Within there is MQS and E-1 (discussed above), and also when E-1 imprisoned MQS, which ultimately lead to her execution. Shakespeare comes in and out as reference in the Chronology, as does John Dee other Shakespeare/Shake-Speare candidates.
Lastly, there may be many errors in this Chronology, and the authors do place some question marks, yet it brings in much of the goings on of state - while tracking Shakespeare and the work that was going on behind masks. If anything (if read), it provides a rundown by date of many in the field during this period with some quotes from back in time from diaries et cetera.
The chronology begins before Queen E-1 starting AD 303 with St. Albans martyred, 1250 with Roger Bacon, and then later with what could possibly have been going on with E-1 moving along from 1560? Speculation provides that it first involved Robert Dudley:
Bacon
I knew that George Talbot (6th Earl of Shrewsbury) had been Mary Queen of Scots jailer but I hadn't known she had once visited Old Hall Hotel in Buxton (fairly near to Alton Castle) in 1572, which had been built by George Talbot and Bess of Hardwick (George's wife). I could find no trace that Mary had ever visited Alton Castle though but, given its proximity to Buxton, it is not out of the question. I believe she was imprisoned at Sheffield Manor Lodge and Sheffield Castle, both owned by George Talbot.
It should also be noted that George Talbot, as the Earl of Shrewsbury, had a prominent part in Shakespeare's Henry VI.
Sir Francis Bacon had been involved in the trial of Mary Cavendish, George's step daughter and daughter-in-law, someone who Bacon had greatly admired. Bacon also knew his grand daughter, Lady Alethea Talbot, very well. Indeed, he died at her husband's (Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel) house in 1626.
Voyageur:
Had earlier caught up and what an interesting presentation, Michael B-C! Never a dot, word, line, element, or in the case of some old art, an item or posture should be dismissed, least some type of revealing shall be missed. It is a big task to keep track of all those symbols, geometry/maths and cipher's of many kinds, so in the case above, who was it ultimately being written for? Certainly, it seems to be for the eyes of rarefied groups trained to read these things and communicate with these messages - hiding in plain sight, so to speak.
Have always enjoyed 'trying' to learn and follow some of the stuff laid down in old texts, while realizing a dozen lifetimes (or less if having a super-calculating mind like some - Green here) could indeed be spent in these pursuits without a key - fascinating as they are, and one might only just get snippets of these things. It can be like what Fulcanelli in his 'The Dwellings of the Philosophers' would reveal, and many others pointing out the unseen, or even something out of a more modern day Foucault's Pendulum (Umberto Eco) novel for enjoyment.
Here in # 2 and 3 videos, it became prominent, starting off with the Pythagorean hypotenuse 3:4:5. This is the tool of choice for me finding ‘square’ when measuring, cutting and putting together simple 90's on a structure from the 345 dots in the trade for building stuff, yet Alan Green builds upon the very dots of the Sonnet page alone. Impressive.
In effort to add data, and polymath not being the line of force here, had a look back at what Laura and the C's also directly bring up Shakespeare-wize (rarely as it is), and 'Shake-speare' not at all.
Being that these are the only dedicated pages to the Shaking-spear, and not exactly following Sonnets as Michael-B.C has so eloquently laid down (yet perhaps there are connections), thus the following looks to a few entries in the Transcripts looked at some time ago, while never furthering, although, like anyone who is reading, things William Shakespeare are of interest.
Just a note: realize that there are so many scholars who work on the subject, authors of books, cryptographers, papers and articles, so the basis starts, as said, from a continuation of the Transcript questions and answers:
June 7 said:
Q: Now, I notice that the Celtic name for the town of St. Albans is Verulamium, and that is where Henry Percy, son of Hotspur, was killed in battle. I also notice that Sir Francis Bacon was Lord Verulam, and he was thought to be not only a Rosicrucian, but also the author of the Shakespearean plays, as well as some of the Rosicrucian manifestos...
A: Check out Alton Towers, for clues.
Which brings up:
thread I had mentioned that there were 'possible' dots that might lead in fact, to nowhere, so not sure, however it was noted it the Session quoted above that this Alton business did not get expanded upon in that thread - yet there are further clues, osit. So, to continue that session, have a look here:
Q: Well, Cecil was the fellow who kidnapped me. And, when he was arrested, the Navy came and took him away saying he was "incompetent to stand trial" because he had "escaped from a Navy hospital." And that essentially ended any hope of finding out where I was taken or why. I just don't see. How does this relate to St. Augustine, the Canaries, to Oak Island - all of this? What are we doing here?
A: St. Albans.
Q: And there is more! My God! We aren't happy with Mary Magdalene and St. Augustine, and St. Anthony! Now we also have St. Albans! Of course I know that it is the place where there was a battle and one of the Percy's was killed there. It was also called Verulamian in the Celtic days, and Francis Bacon was Lord Verulam and some suspect that he was the son of Elizabeth I. But, there are only so many hours in the day, guys! I need some help here! I was hoping that I would be getting some help with the research...
A: Remain open to all, and look for others. But, suggest you "pick their brains" more thoroughly before you offer up your own information, thus allowing for less troublesome emotionally oriented rapids crossing. Enough until next time!
Spent a bunch of time delving into all things Alton, and going through the basics, Alton feedback's to Alton, Hampshire, and folks in the UK would have a better handle on this. Now is there a Tower(s)? From Wiki it states that "Alton was recorded in the Domesday Survey of 1086 as Aoltone". It is a book about taxes owed to the King (William the Conqueror) from within the lands and the word doom meaning;
QUOTE]The word "doom" was the usual Old English term for a law or judgment; it did not carry the modern overtones of fatality or disaster.
The poet, Edmund Spenser, was said to have lived in Alton, a Shakespeare contemporary, and no mention of a Tower.
There was also a William de Alton, and although perhaps interesting (as an aside) "(born 1307) was a Dominican friar from Alton, Hampshire, who lived during the reign of Edward II. He is known for writing The Universality of the Pollution of Mankind by Original Sin. This tract on original sin argues that in its polluting all of mankind it must also have thereby polluted the Virgin Mary, thus contradicting the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception" will leave that there (note the original sin).
Alton (so it says) also appears once in Shakespeare works "Lord Verdun of Alton" related to Henry VI, Part I. Tower comes up 86 times (a number of them in Henry VI) - with a scan of some interesting uses.
Back to Alton Tower (Theme Park), at one time it was called Alton Abby, which does not have an old history (founded in 1895), so take that off the list perhaps.
There is something called "Hex – The Legend of the Towers" which is a amusement ride (walk-through) as a "dark ride experience at Alton Towers". This is what it says of it:
The legend says that the 15th Earl of Shrewsbury was cursed by an old beggarwoman to suffer a death in the family every time a branch fell from the old oak tree. Hex's version embellishes the end of the 'original' tale with the Earl experimenting on one of the fallen branches in a vault deep within the Towers themselves, and it is this vault, with its entrance bricked up behind a bookcase, that has supposedly been sealed up for two centuries and only recently discovered during renovation work. This is explained in several scenes during the experience.
This attraction was closed for the duration of the 2016 season, but underwent repairs in the winter before reopening in 2017.
So, yes, there is an Alton Towers ('attraction'), yet the reality, and might be mistaken here, seems to be focused on Alton Castle of old, and there is a great discussion of it here - with some surprising features (an Octagon wing and Stonehenge reproduction et cetera):
Alton Castle.
Here is the backdrop (with some snips):
This Earl of Shrewsbury, who so conspicuously figures in Shakespeare’s Henry VI., enjoyed, among his other titles, that of “Lord Verdon of Alton”—a title which continued in the family, the Alton estates having now for nearly five centuries uninterruptedly belonged to them.
The titles of this great Earl of Shrewsbury are thus set forth by Shakespeare, when Sir William Lucy, seeking the Dauphin’s tent, to learn what prisoners have been taken, and to “survey the bodies of the dead,” demands—
To which, it will be remembered, La Pucelle contemptuously replies—“Where is the great Alcides of the field,
Valiant Lord Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury?
Created, for his rare success in arms,
Great Earl of Washford, Waterford, and Valence
Lord Talbot of Goodrig and Urchinfield,
Lord Strange, of Blackmere, Lord Verdun of Alton,
Lord Cromwell of Wingfield, Lord Furnival of Sheffield,
The thrice victorious Lord of Falconbridge;
Knight of the noble order of Saint George,
Worthy Saint Michael, and the Golden Fleece;
Great Mareshal to Henry the Sixth
Of all his wars within the realm of France.”
From this John, Earl of Shrewsbury,—“the scourge of France,” “so much feared abroad that with his name the mothers still their babes,”—the manor and estates of Alton and elsewhere passed to his son, John, second earl, who married Elizabeth Butler, daughter of James, Earl of Ormond, and was succeeded by his son, John, third earl, who married Catherine Stafford, daughter of Humphrey, Duke of Buckingham; and was in like manner succeeded by his son, George, fourth earl, K.G., &c., who was only five years of age at his[6] father’s death. He was succeeded, as fifth earl, by his son, Francis; who, dying in 1560, was succeeded by his son, George, as sixth earl.“Here is a silly stately style indeed!
The Turk, that two-and-fifty kingdoms hath—
Writes not so tedious a style as this—
Him that thou magnifiest with all these titles,
Stinking and fly-blown, lies here at our feet.”
Adding a bit more begets, Mary:
This nobleman married, first, Gertrude Manners, daughter of Thomas, Earl of Rutland; and, second, Elizabeth (generally known as “Bess of Hardwick,” for an account of whom, see the article on Hardwick Hall in the present volume), daughter of John Hardwick, of Hardwick Hall, Derbyshire, and successively widow, first, of Robert Barlow, of Barlow; second, of Sir William Cavendish, of Chatsworth; and, third, of Sir William St. Loe. She was the builder of Chatsworth and of Hardwick Hall. To him was confided the care of Mary Queen of Scots. He was succeeded by his son Gilbert, as seventh earl. This young nobleman was married before he was fifteen to Mary,[7] daughter of Sir William Cavendish of Chatsworth. He left no surviving male issue, and was succeeded by his brother, Edward, as eighth earl, who, having married Jane, daughter of Cuthbert, Lord Ogle, died, without issue, being the last of this descent, in 1617. The title then passed to a distant branch of the family, in the person of George Talbot, of Grafton; who, being descended from Sir Gilbert Talbot, third son of the second earl, succeeded as ninth earl.
There was also, of course, a Library:
“The West Library is entered. This apartment, a fine, sombre, quiet-looking room, has a panelled ceiling, at the intersections of the ribs of which are carved heraldic bosses. In the centre is a large and massive dark oak table, and around the sides of the room are ranged fine old carved and inlaid cabinets and presses for books. Over these presses, and in different parts of this room and of the ‘North Library,’ are a number of well-chosen mottoes, than which for a library nothing could well be more appropriate. Thus, in these mottoes, among others we read—
“‘Study wisdom and make thy heart joyful.’
“‘The wise shall inherit glory, but shame shall be the portion of fools.’
“‘They that be wise shall shine as the firmament.’
“‘Blessed is the man that findeth wisdom, and is rich in prudence.’
“‘The heart of the wise shall instruct his mouth and add grace to his lips.’
“‘Take hold on instruction; leave it not; keep it because it is thy life.’
“‘Knowledge is a fountain of life to him that possesseth it.’
And a short sentence on Stonehenge:
Stonehenge.—This is an imitation “Druidic Circle” formed of stones, of about nine tons in weight each; it is highly picturesque, and forms a pleasing feature. Near to it is the upper lake.
Nine tons each is not insignificant.
So, again the Session looked to Alton Tower (aka Alton Castle), St. Albans, with Lord Verulam always hanging around, and then brings in Elisabeth 1 - and to note Mary Queen Scot - the Catholic (some say true Queen) later the beheaded one - and once, seemingly, a guest at Alton Tower/Castle, and then there are those in and around the Elizabethan court who are none other than John Dee (for a time) and Sir Edward Kelley (Kelly) - who also goes by Edward Talbot:
Legends began to surround Kelley shortly after his death. His flamboyant biography, his relationships with Queen Elizabeth I's royal magus Sir John Dee and the Emperor Rudolf II, and his claims of great alchemical skill and the ability to communicate with angels have all led to his relative notoriety among historians. This has made him (along with the German Faustus and Sir John Dee himself) one source for the folklorical image of the alchemist-medium-charlatan.
As for the bold, one perhaps and perhaps not, might wonder, yet Dee, Kelley/Talbot, Bacon (and there is discussion of Shakespeare's 'possible 'Catholic leanings also read) were in orbits around Elisabeth 1 (E-1) and Mary Queen Scot (imprisoned), and implications, although a day later, or so goes the scuttlebutt, of a young Francis born To E-1 as mentioned in the transcript by Laura as "some suspect."
Before getting into this (so I don't forget), something else of John Dee comes up in a number of videos (one in particular) which might be worth mentioning related to his talking with angels. So, note in the video they are talking about Dee/Kelley communicating with angels, although it was actually Kelley (the conduit), because Dee is said to have never seen or heard them. Yet Kelley is said to have seen a giant cosmic plane – with a large 'crystal board' with letters, and the letters are each being pointed out, one by one, with a long stick held by some angelic being, which forms the words of the communications (all written down and now lost or so they say) – interesting, as people here might think it relative to words and communications which Laura does with the C's. Here is video #4 of 4 (see 20:00):
Life of Dr Dee
Little has come down to us in terms of records of Francis Bacon and John Dee knowing each other but on the afternoon of August 11, 1582 there was an entry in Dee's journal that they met at Mortlake. Bacon was 21 years old at the time and was accompanied by a Mr. Phillipes, a top cryptographer in the employ of Sir Francis Walsingham who headed up the early days of England's secret service. They were there according to Ewen MacDuff, in an article, "After Some Time Be Past" in 'Baconiana', (Dec.1983)" to find out the truth about the ancient Hebrew art of the Gematria- one of the oldest cipher systems known, dating from 700 B.C. They were seeking to discuss this with Dee because he was not only one of the leading adepts of this field, but a regular practitioner in certain levels of Gematria." Also, David Kahn in The Codebreakers suggests that because of Dee's great interest in the 13th century alchemist Roger Bacon, that he may have introduced Bacon to the works of Roger Bacon,"which may help explain the similarities in their thought."
Quoting Laura and the C’s again:
A: St. Albans.
Q: And there is more! My God! We aren't happy with Mary Magdalene and St. Augustine, and St. Anthony! Now we also have St. Albans!
Saint Alban
Eastern Orthodox icon of Saint Alban
The Death of St. Alban
Note the lower right panel (part of the left is not show):
“Its beauty provided a place to be hallowed by blood”
There are other depictions perhaps worth noting, and other points and controversies, yet the Church itself seemed important.
So, of St Albans, Francis Bacon is the 1st Viscount St Alban – See here - “ Roman city of Verulamium (modern St Albans)”:
... Continued (briefly):
Before I get any more confused with Towers and Castles at Alton, both are on the main estate. This confusion also goes for one crazy linage system of persons, who one minute are this (seem to be) and the next that - titles given, taken away, with marriages and illegitimate ones (not to mention children). I know all Brits have this history down pat, so bear with me.
Some clarity on Alton and Mary Queen of Scot:
From 1442, the castle was in the possession of the Earls of Shrewsbury, who from the beginning of the 19th-century made their home at nearby Alton Towers. By the mid-19th-Century the castle was mostly in ruins.
Both looked to be around 1600 meters from each other – I’m sure local UK peeps will correct things, yet for outsiders it can get super confusing, such as where was Mary Queen of Scot held – she seemed to have been held all over the place in and around Alton Towers/Castle.
So, with the mention of Mary Queen of Scot (MQS) above, it seemed she was at one point ‘confided in care’ by G Talbot.
Mary Stuart (MQS)
Mary Stuart was just six days old when she became Queen of Scots in 1542.
As a child she was engaged to the the Dauphin Francis - heir to the French throne - and was sent to be brought up at the French Court. But in 1561, whilst still a teenager, Mary’s husband died and she returned to Scotland as a widow.
Mary was a Catholic and her return to rule over Scotland – which was now officially Protestant – was regarded with suspicion.
In 1565, Mary married her first cousin, Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, but their union was unhappy and the following year, Darnley was found dead, presumed murdered.
Mary soon married James Hepburn, who was believed to be Darnley's murderer.
Following an uprising against the couple, Mary was forced to abdicate and she fled to England seeking the protection of her cousin, Queen Elizabeth I of England.
Mary had previously claimed Elizabeth's throne as her own and was considered the legitimate sovereign of England by many English Catholics. Perceiving her as a threat, Elizabeth had her arrested and imprisoned.
[…]
Mary was handed over to George Talbot, 6th Earl of Shrewsbury, and his Derbyshire-born wife Elizabeth, known as Bess of Hardwick. They became her ‘jailers’ for the next 15 years.
George Talbot was chosen as the keeper of Mary due to his immense wealth - few would have been able to afford the cost of keeping a Queen for the 15 years of Mary’s 19 year imprisonment.
George Talbot and Bess of Hardwick built the Old Hall Hotel (then called the New Hall) in Buxton in 1572, and Mary petitioned Queen Elizabeth I for permission to be taken there.
{this Old Hall Hotel is due North of Alton, a short distance away – 20 km or so)
Mary suffered from a mystery illness – possibly rheumatism – and Buxton's thermal spa waters were believed to have healing properties.
In 1573, her request was granted and Mary Queen of Scots visited the Old Hall Hotel at Buxton most summers.
Although Mary had to give one hour’s notice if she wished to leave her apartment and was allowed no visitors after 9pm, evidence suggests she enjoyed her time there.
George Talbot hosted lavish banquets and gave gifts to Mary from his estates; all to the apparent annoyance of Queen Elizabeth I.
The hotel became the regular venue for the highest nobility of the land and the centre for alleged traitorous planning against the crown of England. It was said that the future of England was determined more at the Old Hall Hotel in Buxton than in London!
Whilst staying at the Old Hall Hotel, Mary etched writing onto the bedroom window panes - using a diamond ring! Copies of the writing can still be seen today, the most famous of which is called 'Farewell to Buxton':
George Talbot's wife, Elizabeth, better known as Bess of Hardwick, was the second most powerful woman in England during her time, and also one of the richest.
Bess built the first house on the Chatsworth estate, later constructed Hardwick Hall, ‘more glass than wall’ and also designed her own memorial in Derby Cathedral, where she was buried.
The couple deemed Chatsworth a suitable place to imprison the ill-fated queen and Mary Queen of Scots was held at Chatsworth at various times throughout the 1570s. {Chatsworth is not far (NE of Alton the main estate)}
Her lodgings were on the east side of the house where the rooms, although changed beyond recognition, are still called the Queen of Scots Apartments. The Hunting Tower, now luxury accommodation, is one of just two buildings that remain from this time.
Another building that remains from this time is Queen Mary’s Bower, which was allegedly constructed to provide a raised exercise ground for the captive queen.
After 19 years in custody – and 15 years captive in Derbyshire and the Peak District – Mary was executed for treason at Fotheringay Castle in Northamptonshire in 1587, for her alleged involvement in three plots to assassinate Queen Elizabeth I.
Here is a short ‘trailer’ for I think a popular film (shot on location at Alton) that people may have seen. Is it correct?
A Vanity Fair article says of both MQS and E-1, they never actually met face to face. That seems odd.
There is a backstory here that involves Mary writing ciphers that, apparently, were intercepted and decoded. The ciphers were not complicated (often rows of alphabet with each following row moved over one place i.e. row 2 a=b et cetera. – see video #3 ‘John Dee and Tudor code-breaking’ in the post above (3:30min).
Going back to the Transcript Session June 7, 1997 on Bacon (“not only a Rosicrucian”), the Rosicrucian's were perhaps hanging around in E-1’s court and elsewhere (along with the Rose – rose buckle depicted on the shoe of Shakespeare), and Bacon, which comes back to how M.P. Hall wrote about him, allegedly vis being Shakespeare. There were other Shakespeare candidates, too, quite a few of them proposed - rather than Shakespeare himself.
I'll get to this...
In looking at the Sonnets (1609) with aspects of the following, there seems to some mention of conflicts in the Sonnet orders, such as with Sonnet 19, I think (see well below). So again, whoever wrote the Sonnets, least the plays of Shakespeare – Shake-Speare, brings things back (as Alan Green shows) to ancient history of Egypt while being hidden from plain view – then extrapolated, as Green did, and looked at with the aim to broaden horizons of understanding. It is actually incredible how many things emanate from Egypt (a relatively stable civilization for thirty or so centuries); and therein that information traveled into the future right upon the 1609 opening page of the Sonnet – quite possibly it speaks to a wide network spanning time or some sort of superluminal communication, as discussed above, concerning John Dee and the conduit - can't know.
When M.P Hall discussed Shakespeare in 1929, had thought it interesting when first read – he made the case, IMO, yet now, the more I’ve looked into it, the more it was ‘common’ knowledge not discussed – the big open secret of those ages, and yet today the screen still covers the accepted narrative in the halls of academia with William. When one sees the thousands of books written on the Shakespearean subject, the path seems pretty beaten down – still questions remain.
In another post above, had asked the question 'who were these things being written for,' and it seems that at some ‘levels’ there was this fascination for ciphers et cetera to contain old knowledge, while also using less sophisticated methods to run the state and communicate political and religious messaging; it seemed pretty ingrained in the upper elite levels, perhaps not dissimilar (although much more technical) to today’s encryption programs of communications. Some things don’t change.
Of the above, I’m moving to the opinion that while many eyes were on F. Bacon, he, like a conductor, had many 'poet pens' at the ready, and he was narrating the injustices of state and the longing for the mother of he and his brother of Essex, that could never be. It can be considered that F. Bacon had help from his adopted brother, A. Bacon, just as there were teachers (like John Dee) and statesmen at the ready, too, and a country divided on so many levels - Queens, and the least, religion.
Was looking at what Michael B-C provided by Alan Green in a broader sense, and noted, speaking of John Dee, that Alan adds that name to his book 'Dee-Coding Shakespeare' which I'll read. Of course, and have come to agree with, who knows who was on first base as to the true author(s), yet Willy...
I’ll soon leave this with the following, and big thank you, Michal B-C, for providing a place to put down these old Alton, Bacon, Shakespeare et al. bones (although the former is still an elusive Towers). As for Bacon (and all the other candidates for the mask of Shakespeare), one thing that can be easily overlooked – so I’ll place it up front, is the adopted brother, Anthony Bacon. So, as said, keep him in mind, too, as the focus often points elsewhere, or to strictly his brother, Francis.
frontispiece (1645), depicting Francis Bacon pointing with his right hand at an open page of his book whilst with his left hand he manipulates an actor carrying a 'mirror' book (i.e. a play or plays), thereby indicating that stage plays are an important part of his Great Instauration. Bacon's left hand/arm is in the shadow whilst his right hand/arm is in the light = the cabalistic symbolism for that which is veiled and that which is shown. It also refers to the light and shadow of the right and left-hand pillars respectively of the cabalistic Tree of Life, which forms the basis of Bacon's Great Instauration, and depicts the twinship of Part 1 of the Great Instauration (De Augmentis Scientiarum), which lies on the right-hand pillar, with Part 4 (the Shakespeare plays, etc.), which lies on the left-hand pillar, as portrayed in the titlepage illustration of the 1640 Advancement of Learning.
Anthony Bacon
Anthony Bacon in 1594 at age 36
Anthony Bacon (1558-1601) was the eldest son of Nicholas and Anne Bacon. He and Francis were foster-brothers who collaborated on plays, and advised the Earl of Essex.(Anthony was his secretary and foreign correspondent passing on secret political information from the Continent) Hepworth Dixon in his book Personal History of Francis Bacon says of Francis and Anthony:
...."day and night their tongues and pens are busy in this work of correspondence. Anthony writes the Earl's letters, instructs his spies, drafts for him dispatches to the agents in foreign lands. Francis shapes for him a plan of conduct at the Court, and writes for him a treatise of advice which should have been the rule and would have been the salvation of his life."
We learn from Lady Anne Bacon's letters that Anthony and Francis were having plays performed at Anthony's house near the Bull's Inn, Bishopgate, in 1594; and the Bull Inn itself was frequently used for this purpose. In a letter written by Essex to the Queen, he makes reference to Anthony and Francis, and says:
"Already they print me and make me speak to the world, and shortly they will play me in what form they list upon the stage."
This is direct proof that Francis was accustomed to producing plays, along with his step- brother, and that one or other (or both) of them was presumably the author of such plays.
The name Anthony occurs in no less than eight of the plays, including the Tempest, which has autobiographical references. In the Merchant of Venice Antonio figures as the generous brother. Not only were Anthony and Francis Bacon singularly devoted to each other, but on many occasions, such as in 1598, when Francis was in financial difficulties, and was actually seized and imprisoned at the instance of a Jewish creditor, Anthony came to his assistance and did everything in his power to help. This occurred shortly before the date usually assigned for the writing of this play.
----Reference:Enter Francis Bacon by Bertram Theobald,1932
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In a letter written to Anthony when he and Francis were attending Grays Inn Law School, just before the 1594 Revels of Gray's Inn, with it's first performance (December 28th) of the Comedy of Errors , Lady Anne Bacon in her narrow puritanical ways exhorts him and Francis that they may "not Mum, nor Mask, nor sinfully Revel." It is quite evident that she was strongly suspicious of Francis Bacon's connection with the stage.
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The story of Love's Labor's Lost concerns a youthful King of Navarre and three of his courtiers, the Lords Dumaine, Longaville and Berowne and three ladies of the court. The drama contains a real life love affair that existed between Francis Bacon and Marguerite Navarre when he was visiting France in 1576-8. The names of the three Lords are taken directly from the passport of Anthony when he was living in the Navarre territory (1583-92) The names are signed Dumain, Longaville, Biron (Berowne). The play also reflects Bacon's great interest in Freemasonry with numerous references to Masonic rites and rituals of the higher degrees. For more on the historical references of the Bacon brothers experience and the Shakespeare Play Love's Labor's Lost read The Great Vision, by Peter Dawkins.
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A letter to Anthony Bacon on January 25, 1594, in which Francis asks his brother to send some new material for his private scriveners.
I have here an idle pen or two....I pray send me somewhat else for them to write... from my lodge at Twickenham Park.
Your entire loving brother,
Francis Bacon
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From the Dedication to
Essays and Councils
January 30, 1597
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Between Twickenham, Gorhambury and Gray's Inn, there were possibly many “idle” pens (more on each of these places later). As for Alton Towers, do roads run through it, and when, why and who was there at the time, or is there something else?
Quickly, and back to John Dee with a reference to M.P Hall:
Manly P. Hall had a book, Orders of Universal Reformation in which a woodcut from 1655 by Jacob Cats, shows an emblem of an ancient man bearing likeness to John Dee, passing the lamp of tradition over an open grave to a young man with an extravagantly large rose on his shoe buckle. In Bacon's sixth book of the Advancement of Learning he defines his method as, Traditionem Lampadis, the delivery of the lamp.
Mrs. Henry Pott writes in "Francis Bacon and His Secret Society,"The organization or method of transmission he (Bacon) established was such as to ensure that never again so long as the world endured, should the lamp of tradition, the light of truth, be darkened or extinguished."
So, now to F. Bacon and much else during this particular century and more of time...St. Albans has a number of references, yet will add this Chronology Related to Francis Bacon's Life. With this last entry, it is broken down into two 'Spoiler' sections (as it will not fit in one). There has been a few small bits pulled out, and have bolded certain aspects for emphasis. There are also a few notes and added hyperlinks due to the subject at hand while a number of quote boxes were included offering linking data. The chronology starts well before F. Bacon and brings in E-1 and her alleged secret marriage (Dudley - Earl of Leicester) and the birth of two boys (Francis and the Earl of Essex - Robert Devereux), who then go through life wearing masks to cover their Tudor faces. Within there is MQS and E-1 (discussed above), and also when E-1 imprisoned MQS, which ultimately lead to her execution. Shakespeare comes in and out as reference in the Chronology, as does John Dee other Shakespeare/Shake-Speare candidates.
Lastly, there may be many errors in this Chronology, and the authors do place some question marks, yet it brings in much of the goings on of state - while tracking Shakespeare and the work that was going on behind masks. If anything (if read), it provides a rundown by date of many in the field during this period with some quotes from back in time from diaries et cetera.
The chronology begins before Queen E-1 starting AD 303 with St. Albans martyred, 1250 with Roger Bacon, and then later with what could possibly have been going on with E-1 moving along from 1560? Speculation provides that it first involved Robert Dudley:
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