Yes, I've heard of this guy Argest. I think he wrote a couple of articles about paleocontact (at least the official publications) during the Soviet era. Here's the first one -
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It describes the widely known (nowadays) megaliths of Baalbek, as well as Libyan glass (tektites). Most of Argest's scientific work is devoted to mathematics, which I'll return to below. ----------------------------------------
Furthermore, I came across a rather interesting collection of proceedings from the first All-Union Conference on
Problems of Extraterrestrial Civilizations (1964) with the participation of USSR academics -
Внеземные цивилизации
It seems that during the era of the space race between the USSR and the USA (1960s), these topics with aliens were widely discussed in society. But then everything fizzled out, and they were classified until the 1990s, when the USSR collapsed.
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But let's return to Mates Argest. I was interested in some of his scientific works (although I'm not an expert):
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The Theory of Incomplete Cylindrical Functions and Their Applications. - Moscow: Atomizdat, 1965. - 351 p.
If you remember, the C's were once asked about the German time machine
"Die Glocke." Among other things, they answered:
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What if the USSR in the 1950s also had or was developing its own
"Die Glocke"? As a mathematician, Argest could well have been involved, given that he had contact with Sakharov in Arzamas-16, and both were involved in the Soviet atomic project.
Sorry not to have responded to your post sooner but I have been busy posting on the latest session thread with the C's (1st November), whilst also battling flu and preparing for my late sister's funeral, which is to be held this Friday. I shall read Argest's article with interest though. Although it was written in the ultra secretive soviet period, I wonder if
Erich von Däniken may have got hold of a copy of it, since the title 'Ancient Cosmonauts' is really identical to
von Däniken's 'Ancient Astronauts'.
I think you may be on to something where you propose that Argest could well have been involved in the possible development of a soviet version of
Die Glocke ("the Bell") during the 1950's. Although the Bell was perhaps the most top secret project in all of Nazi Germany during World War II, I can't help feeling that some morsel of information about it must have been picked up by Soviet military intelligence at some stage in the War.
I have read that
SS General Hans Kammler who was put in charge of all Nazi top secret projects towards the end of the War arranged for the execution of all German scientists and engineers who were involved directly with the project in order to preserve its secrecy. The C's have, of course, confirmed that the Bell was smuggled out of Europe, presumably by submarine, and ended up at a secret Nazi base in Antarctica where experimentation on it has continued to this day, as you quoted in your post.
It is interesting that Kammler's Wikipedia entry states that on 22 April he caught up with
Wernher von Braun and
Walter Dornberger, both of whom were reported to have made contact with the Allies, in
Oberammergau, Bavaria. He failed to agree on a joint course of action with them. This meeting is not really surprising since Kammler was by that time the senior officer in charge of the "V" rocket program. I believe that von Braun and Walter Dornberger had already decided to surrender to the Americans and perhaps they discussed the matter with Kammler who was no doubt a realist and knew by that stage the War was to all intents and purposes over. There are those who believe that Kammler cut his own deal with the Americans and that reports of his death were fabricated to disguise the fact. What interests me though is whether von Braun was aware of the Bell project. If so, he never mentioned it. However, I would be surprised if he didn't have some basic knowledge of it since he was an SS officer.
In the same connection, I suspect von Braun was aware of the flying saucer that crashed in the Black Forest, near
Freiburg, in 1936
*. This has led to speculation that the Vril Society were supposedly the first group to attempt the back engineering of an extra-terrestrial spacecraft long before the Roswell crash in 1947. However, the C's suggested that this was not necessary as the Vril Society had already received the information required from channelling sessions (
with the Antareans?):
*There have been recent reports that Germany was not the first Axis power to experience a UFO crash since there have been claims that a UFO crashed in Lombardy in Italy in 1933. Apparently, Pentagon whistle-blower David Grusch has leant credence to the claim by stating that the agents of the Office of Strategic Services (the "OSS", the forerunner of the CIA) had recovered a bell-like craft from the town of Magenta in Italy in 1944 - see:World's first UFO crash happened in Italy, 14 years before Roswell, claims researcher.
Q: (L) Getting back to this German time machine: did the Germans capture a crashed, or retrieve a crashed, UFO during the war?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who was flying that craft - excuse me - OPERATING that craft?
A: Grays.
Q: (L) Were the Germans able to back engineer and construct other craft similar to the one they captured?
A: Did not need to. They got the information on such things from channeled sources.
Q: (L) Did the Germans get the information from the Vril Society?
A: Partly. Also Thule Society.
There has also been speculation that von Braun may have been involved in the inspection of the [three] crashed flying saucers found in New Mexico in 1947 (including the Rosewell craft). The American writer and researcher Joseph Farrell certainly thinks so. This would make sense for von Braun was by that time the leading rocket engineer in the United States and the Americans may have been aware of his possible involvement with the 1936 Black Forest crash that had also been a craft operated by the Greys.
In his book Project Rainbow and the Philadelphia Experiment, David Hatcher Childress refers to a 1970 manuscript entitled "Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal", which is known today by the shorter title "The Torbitt Document" after its writer William Torbitt (a pseudonym). The document directly links Lyndon Johnson (US President), J. Edgar Hoover (Director of the FBI), John Connally (Governor of Texas) and Wernher von Braun (NASA Director) with the assassination of President John F Kennedy. The manuscript drew links between the Operation Paperclip Nazi scientists working for NASA, an organisation called the Defence Industrial Security Command (DISC), the assassination of Kennedy and the secret Nevada airbase known today as Area 51. The Torbitt document illuminates the darker side of NASA, the Military Industrial Complex and their connections to Area 51. Torbitt alleged that J. Edgar Hoover, his deputy William Sullivan and Wernher von Braun were part of DISC. It should be noted that an Internet search will not come up with any official recognition of DISC's existence outside of the Torbitt Document. A search will, however, bring up the name of the Defence Counterintelligence and Security Agency (DCSA), which was founded in 1971 only a year after the release of the Torbitt document.
Childress thinks there must have been some organisation that performed the vetting of personnel in the US Military Industrial Complex (that President Dwight Eisenhower had famously warned about in 1961) prior to the formation of the DCSA in 1971 and for him DISC fits the bill, even if in reality it operated under some other name. The government website for the DCSA gives Huntsville, Alabama as one of the DCSA's field offices, whilst its headquarters are in Quantico, Virginia, the same city that the FBI has its headquarters. However, Huntsville, Alabama was also the city in which Wernher von Braun had his main office for 20 years and its is from there that Torbitt claimed that von Braun commanded DISC. Childress in turn claims that von Braun ran DISC from 1958 to 1970 and was in touch with the FBI on a continuing basis.
At first sight, it might seem strange to think that a former Nazi SS officer should be allowed to run a US security agency but then von Braun ran NASA (the USA's national space agency) and the C's told us that the CIA was a bastard child of the Nazi Gestapo, so is it really so strange:
Session 5 October 1996:
A: Now, some history... as you know, the CIA and NSA and other agencies are the children of Nazi Gestapo...
So, how did the Nazis gain leverage over the CIA. The answer may well lie in the The
Gehlen Organization or
Gehlen Org (an intelligence agency established in June 1946 by U.S. occupation authorities in the United States zone of post-war occupied Germany, which consisted of former members of the 12th Department of the German Army General Staff (Foreign Armies East, or FHO). It was headed by
Reinhard Gehlen who had previously been a
Wehrmacht Major General and head of the Nazi German military intelligence in the Eastern Front during World War II.
Quoting from Wikipedia:
After World War II, Reinhard Gehlen acted under the tutelage of US Army G-2 (intelligence), but he wished to establish an association with the
Central Intelligence Agency. In 1947, in alliance with the CIA, the military orientation of the organization turned increasingly toward political, economic and technical espionage against the Eastern Bloc and the moniker "Pullach" became synonymous with secret service intrigues.
According to one report, the Org was for many years "the only eyes and ears of the CIA on the ground in the Soviet Bloc nations" during the Cold War. The CIA kept close tabs on the Gehlen group [
Hmmm... did they?]: the Org supplied the manpower while the CIA supplied the material needs for clandestine operations, including funding, cars and airplanes.
The Gehlen Org employed hundreds of former members of the Nazi Party, which was defended by the CIA.
James Critchfield, former chief of the CIA's Near East and South Asia division, stated to
The Washington Post in 2001, "
I've lived with this for 50 years," and that, "
Almost everything negative that has been written about Gehlen, in which he has been described as an ardent ex-Nazi, one of Hitler's war criminals – this is all far from the fact."
Once the Org emerged into the public eye, Gehlen and his group drew criticism from both sources in the West and the East. An article by
Sefton Delmer, senior correspondent for London's
Daily Express on 17 March 1952, made Gehlen public. Two and half years later, on 10 August 1954, Delmer wrote that "
Gehlen and his Nazis are coming" implying in his story that a continuation of nothing less than Hitler's aims was at hand through the Org's "monstrous underground power in Germany". MI5 documents held at the UK's National Archives suggest that members of the Gehlen Organization had spied on Delmer from at least September 1954.
An article in
The Independent newspaper on 29 June 2018 made this statement about some of the Org and BND employees:
"Operating until 1956, when it was superseded by the BND, the Gehlen Organisation was allowed to employ at least 100 former Gestapo or SS officers. ... Among them were Adolf Eichmann’s deputy Alois Brunner, who would go on to die of old age despite having sent more than 100,000 Jews to ghettos or internment camps, and ex-SS major Emil Augsburg. ... Many ex-Nazi functionaries including Silberbauer, the captor of Anne Frank, transferred over from the Gehlen Organisation to the BND. ... Instead of expelling them, the BND even seems to have been willing to recruit more of them – at least for a few years".
Joseph Farrell goes so far as to propose that the Gehlen Organisation did a 'reverse takeover' of the CIA. But what can one say of the quality and value of the information they passed on to the Americans?
In 2006, after reviewing selected declassified CIA documents on the Gehlen Org, a
Guardian article offered a new perspective on this attempt to fight communism with some ex-Nazis "...
for all the moral compromises involved [in hiring former Nazis], it was a complete failure in intelligence terms. The Nazis were terrible spies."
Or were they? Perhaps their loyalties lay elsewhere and they deliberately fed the Americans with faulty and misleading information whilst passing on real secrets and estimates to their secret superiors. And it is not out of the question that von Braun had some contact with Gehlen and his organisation whilst he was with NASA and DISC. Afterall, he had access to the USA's rocket secrets and no doubt high profile contacts with the US Military Industrial Complex.
But what of the Military Industrial Complex? Was it really a US concern by the 1960's or had it become co-opted into something else, something such as the transnational Secret World Government perhaps, and working in league with the Consortium the C's have spoken of? Why had President Eisenhower warned the American public about the Military Industrial Complex in his 1961 farewell speech, an odd thing to do you would think for a President and former US four star army general? Had he learned something disquieting about it? Evidently he had:
In sensational testimony submitted on the final day of the
Citizen Hearing on [UFO] Disclosure, six former members of the U.S. Congress heard from a former CIA agent about an incident involving President Eisenhower and extra-terrestrials. In a video testimony played today before the retired US Congress members, the agent alleged that President Eisenhower sought to gain information from a secret control group called MJ-12 about alien related projects at a facility near Area 51 called S-4. When denied the requested information, Eisenhower allegedly authorized a personal message that the agent and his immediate superior would deliver to those in charge at Area 51 and S-4. The message was a direct threat that the President would authorize a military invasion of Area 51 and S-4 if his request for information was not carried out.
The former CIA agent is currently aged 77 and suffering from acute kidney problems and has only several months to live. A 15 minutes segment was played out of a longer interview where he went on the public record about how he was recruited by a senior CIA operative located out of Langley, Virginia to work with the CIA on the issue of
extraterrestrial life. At the time of his recruitment in 1958, he had just completed training at the US Army Signal Training Center, and began working as an Army cryptologist. He said that he was recruited by the CIA operative because it would give him significantly more money than he was earning in the Army. His first assignment was to examine files on
UFOs and extraterrestrial life submitted from USAF base at Fort Belvoir, which were different to the Project Blue Book files studied at Wright Patterson Air Force Base that were eventually released to the general public.
In response to questions from UFO historian Richard Dolan, the former CIA agent went on to explain how in 1958, he and his boss – the CIA operative – were summoned by President Eisenhower to the Oval Office. The President, who was accompanied by Vice-President Nixon, told the agent and his boss that he was trying to get information about efforts to learn about extra-terrestrial life and technology. The agent said that according to President Eisenhower: “MJ-12 was supposed to find out, but they never sent reports to him.” The CIA agent said he and his boss were called into the Oval Office”. President Eisenhower said:
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We called the people in from MJ-12, from Area 51 and S-4, but they told us that the government had no jurisdiction over what they were doing…. I want you and your boss to fly out there. I want you to give them a personal message…. I want you to tell them, whoever is in charge, I want you to tell them that they have this coming week to get into Washington and to report to me. And if they don’t, I’m going to get the First Army from Colorado. we are going to go over and take the base over. I don’t care what kind of classified material you got. We are going to rip this thing apart.”
In response to Dolan’s question, “
Eisenhower was going to invade Area 51?” the CIA agent confirmed that Eisenhower indeed planned to so with the First Army.
After travelling to Area 51 and S-4, the CIA agent said that he saw several garage type doors with flying saucers in them. He described seeing a Gray alien at the S-4 facility that his boss “partially interviewed”. Upon returning to the White House, the agent and his boss relayed what they had seen at S-4. Significantly, the FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover, was also present during the debriefing of the CIA agent and his boss over what they had witnessed at S-4 and Area-51. According to the CIA agent, Eisenhower was shocked.
The testimony of the CIA agent was admitted into the Citizen Hearing by the main organizer, Stephen Bassett, since he thought it was credible based on the research of Linda Moulton Howe and Richard Dolan. The CIA agent’s testimony yields important insights among which include:
- President Eisenhower had lost control of extraterrestrial related projects to a control group called MJ-12. This is precisely what Stephen Lovekin, who served in the White House Army Signals Corps, said motivated Eisenhower to give his departing Military-Industrial Complex speech in January 1961.
- The CIA was tasked with the study of extraterrestrial life and technology, and had access to USAF files located at Fort Belvoir. This helps confirms leaked Majestic documents that President Kennedy first approached the CIA to get access to MJ-12 documents dealing with UFOs and extra-terrestrial life.
- Extra-terrestrial technology was being studied at a secret facility, S-4, located near Area 51. This helps confirm the testimony of Robert Lazar who was the first to describe the secretive facility S-4 facility having several extra-terrestrial vehicles in them.
- An extra-terrestrial, a Gray, was secretly being housed at the S-4 facility. This helps confirm the testimony of witnesses such as Bill Uhouse that aliens were assisting engineers working on black projects attempting to reverse engineer alien propulsion technologies. See: Eisenhower threatened to invade Area 51 former US Congress members hear testimony
You might rightly ask how credible is the testimony of a dying former CIA agent but then he would not be the first agent to make such a death bed confession.
As to the Consortium, Laura had this to say about them in the Session dated 18 January 2003:
Q: Are there 4th density sections to the Pentagon?
A: Absolutely. It is a "deep cover" kind of place.
Q: (A) There is this Pentagon, then there is another superpower - Russia - and still another - China...
A: There is only one. The U.S. just happens to be the center. [MJF: Perhaps Russia can be excluded now because of Putin?]
[...]
(L) Well, I wrote to some people pointing out that the anti-war stance is only more divisiveness. There are people who are for the war to support Bush, and there are people who are against the war who don't support Bush. It is a question of supporting Bush. Everybody agrees that Saddam is a stinker, but they can't agree on whether how Bush is handling the matter is appropriate or not. They forget that what is happening here is that they are all being put into an oppositional stance against each other, and Bush, himself, is coming out on top clean. If they would concentrate on the REAL issues: that Bush is a liar, that he is not even our legal president, that he stole the election by nefarious means, that he is a criminal from a criminal family, making it clear and plain with facts and massive media coverage about who and what Bush really is, then the whole issue would be focused where it belongs: on Bush and the Consortium that has put him in power to serve its agenda.
But, instead of concentrating on the problem - of which Bush is only the representative, the real issue being the Consortium - people are not seeing that the whole situation is being manipulated for the benefit of the Industrial-Military Complex just as Eisenhower foresaw. Bush is only the puppet for this Consortium. If that could be seen as the real danger that it is, if they could impeach Bush - who is their creature - and get somebody into the presidency who was uncorruptible, who could kick butt and take names like Kennedy tried to do.
Well, we have learned. Kennedy didn't take the danger as seriously as he should have. If he had, maybe he could have carried through what he wanted to do: disband the CIA, tie the hands of the military, make things more equitable for the common people, enhance civil rights and civil liberties.
So Kennedy was not just a threat to the CIA and the Mafia but also to the US Deep State, the Military Industrial Complex and the Consortium. Were they scared perhaps that he might disclose the alien threat to the public? Laura posed this question to the C's in the Session dated 9 June 1996:
Q: (L) Moving along... recently I read "On the Trail of the Assassins," by Jim Garrison, the New Orleans attorney. This is the book about his investigation into the Kennedy assassination. I know that we asked one or two questions about this earlier, but I think that now, with expanded perspective, we could ask a few more. Was the purported Cuban agenda what was really behind the assassination of JFK?
A: Not in its entirety.
Q: (L) Was there, in fact, any connection between this murder and JFK planning to reveal the government's knowledge of alien interaction?
A: Maybe, or that was feared, based upon a sophisticated psychological profiling system.
Q: (L) One thing that we noticed was that Lee Oswald was 'sheep dipped' in many areas around the country, well before the election of Kennedy. Why would this be the case?
A: Consortium.
Q: (L) What was the intention in using Oswald in this way? Was it just to have a handy person around, or did they already know, in advance, that Kennedy would be elected and that they would assassinate him?
A: Time alteration.
Q: (L) Do you mean time alteration in the sense that these events did NOT actually occur at the noted times, or that they were able to go back in time and do this to put more confusion into the picture?
A: Latter, see Montauk.
Q: (L) Obviously the consortium was operating through the FBI, the CIA, the Mafia, and God knows who else, but, can you tell us who fired the shot that caused JFK's death?
A: No, because it would put you in grave danger.
The C's described the Consortium originally as a large body of individuals, which they linked to "the antichrist", that was comprised of humans and others (aliens and undergrounders?), which made me think of what the C's said above in response to Laura's question about there being 4th density sections to the Pentagon. This immediately called to mind the recent confirmation by the C's that there were between 2 and 2.5 million undergrounders operating on the surface world at any one time. Some of these may be bi-density types, a few of whom may be based n the Pentagon in positions of influence. To me this conjures up memories of watching the old 1960's American science fiction TV show '
The Invaders', where aliens in human disguise had insinuated themselves into positions of power including the US military to advance the alien agenda (see:
The Invaders - Wikipedia). Great show by the way.
As to MJ12, the C's have confirmed that there is some substance to the MJ12 committee allegedly created by President Truman after the Roswell crash in 1947, the same year the CIA was established:
Q: (L) Okay, now, I have a list of names, and I want a yes or no as to whether these individuals were - because I believe most of them are deceased right now, this is just a little verification on some other things for the general public - were these individuals involved in the cover-up of the UFO activity and phenomenon in the U.S.?:
Roscoe Hillencotter (Yes)
Dr Vannebar Bush (Yes)
Secretary James Forrestal (yes)
General Nathan Twining (Yes)
General Hoyt F. Vandenberg (Yes)
Dr. Detlev Bronck (?) (Yes)
Jerome Hudson (Yes)
Mr. Sydney Sauers (Yes)
Donald Menzel (Yes)
Robert Montague (Yes)
Dr. Lloyd B. Berger (Yes)
Q: Who is in MJ12 now?
A: Will not reveal as you would be terminated if this information were to be let out, so forget it now!
Q: Does MJ12 still exist?
A: In different form.
Q: I would like to know who sent the MJ 12 documents to Jamie Shandera? Who sent those documents to him?
A: Bill Cooper.
Q: (T) Who sent them to Cooper?
A: He discovered them in records review.
Q: (L) He is the one who discovered the MJ 12 documents? Does he claim he sent them? (T) Yes. (L) How did you know that and I didn't know that? (T) I read the Cooper book, the early Cooper papers.
A: Cooper was unintended security leak, then "turncoat."
Q: (T) Okay, so he found all this out when he was working for the government...
A: Yes.
Q: ...Which is how he got them out of the records?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Well Okay, while we are on the subject... I don't want the names of those involved with MJ12, the question is, if you gave us the names, how many of those people would we know? Not personally, but how many would we know? How many would we have heard of?
A: One or two maybe.
Q: (T) Which is what I figured. Just like back in the 40's you wouldn't have known who these people were. Hillencotter and Forrestal, maybe, because they were WWII people, their names were in the paper. Unless you were into sciences, you wouldn't know who these people were. (L) How many alien craft, actual alien craft, are in the hands of the government or this consortium?
A: 36
Q: (L) And were these captured craft? Or gifted?
A: And recovered.
Q: (T) Ok, they were all three. Were any of them purchased?
A: Not correct concept, Grays are not financial.
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Q: (T) Very true. Question: The government, our government, the U.S. government, is holding 36 craft of one kind or another that they gotten in one way or another. How many other governments have craft?
A: All is one.
Q: (L) We already have a one-world government is what they're saying. (T) Yes, they're just waiting to make it official somehow. (L) Let me ask. What is...
A: Has been so for long time, as you measure time.
Q: (L) Let me ask this one before the tape runs out and we take a break. What is the "ultimate secret" being protected by the Consortium?
A: You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment.
So, the Consortium has at least 36 alien craft in it possession and according to whistle-blower Bob Lazar, they have been trying to reverse engineer them. Moreover, the ultimate secret being guarded by the Consortium is that the human race is an experiment. Crikey! It is enough to make you paranoid
.
Finally, returning to what you suggested about the Russian mathematician Mates Argest working on a Soviet or Russian version of Die Glocke or the Bell, the C's gave some support to the notion that the Russians were working on their own time travel machine in the
Session dated 31 July1999:
Q: That's what I thought. Now, you told us that the Montauk experiment was something that began in the 1920s. All of the stories say that the Navy was trying to make ships invisible to radar for defensive purposes. That's the story. My question is: is that just a cover story?
A: No.
Q: Is that, in fact, what they were attempting to do?
A: Close.
Q: Can you get me any closer to it? What were their intentions?
A: Convergence of interests: US Navy, Secret Government, Esteemed physicists, Consortium, Aliester Crowley, mind programming and psy-warfare
Q: Did they actually, even accidentally, discover through this work something about time travel?
A: Yes, but it was more an accident for the Navy than for others involved.
Q: Okay, was the accident and following fiasco fairly accurately represented in the various books about it?
A: Fairly.
Q: After all of this, did they bring the project to a halt, even if only temporarily?
A: No.
Q: Did they decide that 'oh, we have discovered something really fantastic; let's see what we can do with it?'
A: Closer.
Q: Did this actually take place at Montauk?
A: Some.
Q: Were Russians and/or Germans working on similar projects at the same time, or even a little later?
A: Germans earlier, Russians later.
Q: Are the efforts of the Germans, Russians, and the Americans combined at the present time?
A: At some levels they are combined, yes.
Q: Would you be able to evaluate the efforts of the three and say which one, at the present time, is the most advanced?
A: Does not work that way.
Q: Why does it not work that way?
A: Advanced goes to Consortium.
Q: Are you saying that when work of this kind gets to a certain level, it gets absorbed into the Consortium?
A: Close.
So, we learn here that the Secret Government and the Consortium each had an interest in the Philadelphia Experiment and that the Germans had started on their own research (Die Glocke) earlier than the Americans, i.e., pre-1943, but the Russians entered the game somewhat later. The fact that Mates Argest published a paper in 1965 entitled The Theory of Incomplete Cylindrical Functions and Their Applications could well suggest, therefore, that he was part of the Russian time travel project. Maybe someone could ask the C's.
