Yes, psylocibin mushrooms. Sorry to take your thread off course. All the mushrooms are so interesting.
Amanita Muscaria a friend or a foe?
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No problem - i was just wondering cos with Amanita you are not supposed to get sedative effect if you take them during the day - due to Ibotenic acid which is a stimulant.
worldbridger
Jedi Master
Listen to Amanita Dreamers videos about starting with Amanita Muscaria, not Pantherina!
She does not recommend just taking a piece of dried Amanita due to great variability between muschrooms, she recommends making a tea of different dried Amanitas, drying it at a certain temperature, not too hot or too low, preferably in dehydrator, normal ovens can/will ruin them, if you pick them yourselves. Buying dried and vacuumed Amanitas are seldom dried in the right/optimum way.
She aims at creating a 50/50 musc/ibo balance for beginners.
You don't take it every day, she has a protocol. Start slow. Never buy powder. Amanitas do have a shelf life, she recommends doing ice cubes, tinctures etc.
She does not recommend just taking a piece of dried Amanita due to great variability between muschrooms, she recommends making a tea of different dried Amanitas, drying it at a certain temperature, not too hot or too low, preferably in dehydrator, normal ovens can/will ruin them, if you pick them yourselves. Buying dried and vacuumed Amanitas are seldom dried in the right/optimum way.
She aims at creating a 50/50 musc/ibo balance for beginners.
You don't take it every day, she has a protocol. Start slow. Never buy powder. Amanitas do have a shelf life, she recommends doing ice cubes, tinctures etc.
My intention was to start micro dosing with tiny pieces of dry caps ( several pieces of different caps in total amount of 0.5 gram) as soon as I receive them.
@worldbridger I am aware of Amanita dreamer ‘s recommendations but I am more inclined to follow Baba Masha recommendations. There are many “experts” out there and some of their recommendations are contradictory.
The consensus from Baba Masha’s extensive survey is that standardised dried pieces are more effective than powder in caps, tea brew and in the last place - tincture if taken orally. Therefore I am inclined to start this way.
So far I only received the tincture which I intended to experiment with for external use.
However yesterday I woke up with stiff neck which limited my normal range of head movements to about 20% the pain was pretty strong. On a scale of 0-10 it was about 6-7.
This happens to me occasionally - on average once a year, I suspect like most people I have one of the cervical discs herniated to some extent. Usually I fix this with acupuncture.
However yesterday evening, after feeling miserable all day I decided to take 3 drops of tincture under the tongue and see what happens. Within 20 minutes the pain started to ease. I could feel tingling in the neck and shoulder area and the best way to describe the effect was “reset to factory settings”.
Within two hours the pain went down to slight ache (which was almost pleasant for the lack of better words to describe it) and my range of movement was over 80%, this morning only slight ache remains if I rotate my head to the full range of movement.
Pretty impressive!
As far as the other effects go they were very, very subtle and occurred the strongest within the first hour of taking it.
I was watching TV and I noticed that everything seemed brighter and more focused- people’s faces and colours.
Profound sense of peace washed over me with the feeling of warmth although it wasn't actual heat felt anywhere in the body - just a warm feeling all over my body - hope this makes sense as it is hard to describe it.
I could also feel energy subtly tingling all over my body. I usually have this feeling after my chi kung/ breath work/ meditation routine and I call it “feeling my Qi” .
Then I went to bed, slept like a rock, dreamless and woke up feeling energised and in good spirit.
So yeah there is definitely something about Amanita.
I am well aware that all this may be placebo effect and I am keeping this in mind for the purpose of this experiment.
Although the pain relief was pretty miraculous. Normally it takes me several days to go back to 90 and over percent of range of movements - even with acupuncture.
@worldbridger I am aware of Amanita dreamer ‘s recommendations but I am more inclined to follow Baba Masha recommendations. There are many “experts” out there and some of their recommendations are contradictory.
The consensus from Baba Masha’s extensive survey is that standardised dried pieces are more effective than powder in caps, tea brew and in the last place - tincture if taken orally. Therefore I am inclined to start this way.
So far I only received the tincture which I intended to experiment with for external use.
However yesterday I woke up with stiff neck which limited my normal range of head movements to about 20% the pain was pretty strong. On a scale of 0-10 it was about 6-7.
This happens to me occasionally - on average once a year, I suspect like most people I have one of the cervical discs herniated to some extent. Usually I fix this with acupuncture.
However yesterday evening, after feeling miserable all day I decided to take 3 drops of tincture under the tongue and see what happens. Within 20 minutes the pain started to ease. I could feel tingling in the neck and shoulder area and the best way to describe the effect was “reset to factory settings”.
Within two hours the pain went down to slight ache (which was almost pleasant for the lack of better words to describe it) and my range of movement was over 80%, this morning only slight ache remains if I rotate my head to the full range of movement.
Pretty impressive!
As far as the other effects go they were very, very subtle and occurred the strongest within the first hour of taking it.
I was watching TV and I noticed that everything seemed brighter and more focused- people’s faces and colours.
Profound sense of peace washed over me with the feeling of warmth although it wasn't actual heat felt anywhere in the body - just a warm feeling all over my body - hope this makes sense as it is hard to describe it.
I could also feel energy subtly tingling all over my body. I usually have this feeling after my chi kung/ breath work/ meditation routine and I call it “feeling my Qi” .
Then I went to bed, slept like a rock, dreamless and woke up feeling energised and in good spirit.
So yeah there is definitely something about Amanita.
I am well aware that all this may be placebo effect and I am keeping this in mind for the purpose of this experiment.
Although the pain relief was pretty miraculous. Normally it takes me several days to go back to 90 and over percent of range of movements - even with acupuncture.
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worldbridger
Jedi Master
Good, I listened to Baba too, and bought her book. They have different approaches I guess. Btw, I don't think there are any "standardised dried pieces" in terms of ibo/musc, they can vary 1000% depending on season, soil, country etc, standardised only in terms of weight. I made a super strong pain killer oil (6 weeks in coconut) with the Pantherina, vey effective, but I can't take too much, I felt the effect in my head, not that nice.
“Standardised” in terms of standardising different individual caps you might have - as explained in quotes above. It is the best we can do since every mushroom or cap has different potency.
msasa79
Jedi Master
Very glad that the health issues turned out on the positive side.
Regarding the thread, hope you won't mind a friendly observation.
It seems that your focus is again on the physical, almost exclusively, in a sense that you might again be OCD-ing about this whole issue. And more often than not, dreams can be interpreted to suggest exactly the opposite of what was presented there. Or in your case, it might simply mean that you've been or would be driving yourself nuts obsessing with things outside of you, while maybe it might do you much good to take a look and care and cultivate your inner garden, sort of a forest opening in your inner landscape bustling with crazy mushrooms everywhere. Maybe instead of focusing on those in the outside world and looking how to bring them inside your body by ingestion for the desired effects on your psyche, again through the physical means, it was perhaps meant to bring your attention on the nutty stuff inside your nature where their clearing might result in a cleaning of both, your psyche and consequently your physical body.
FWIW.
Take care.
Thanks for your input - Interesting perspective, however very abstract. I mean this is the general objective of any work but practical application is usually not so straightforward., it was perhaps meant to bring your attention on the nutty stuff inside your nature where their clearing might result in a cleaning of both, your psyche and consequently your physical body.
FWIW.
Take care.
Is it so wrong to use external tools (safely) on this path?
The theme that is repeated in the accounts of people micro-dosing with Amanita is the notion that the herb reaches out to you when you need it the most. Be it physically ( some people had it growing on their property where it never use to grow before) or in dreams and meditations. Might sound too airy fairy but it interesting to take a note of this.
msasa79
Jedi Master
Apologies for apparently triggering, in part avoidant, in part dismissive, but overall seemingly defensive response. Should have known better to keep my fingers crossed and locked from typing and writing when their actions were not explicitly asked for.
It seems your mind has been firmly set on going the chosen route and there's not much, if anything, anybody can and should do and say in that respect. Even more so, as the fly toadstool's apparently reached out to you when you needed it the most (although it's left a bit unclear why you think so).
As a token of good will and well intentions, here's a passage from W. Chittick's The Sufi Path of Knowledge, stumbled upon last night just after pressing the Post Reply button and posting that inconsiderate, nosy, unwarranted and apparently triggering post.
The Sufi Path of Knowledge (p. 15) said:
Wish you good luck and fruitful journey in mushroom's company in reaching your goal/aim, whatever that may be. Take care my friend.
Day 1 of micro-dosing:
Took total of 0.45 g of several small pieces from different caps this morning on an empty stomach.
Before that I only had my usual morning 500ml of warm water with squeezed lemon followed by another 500ml of water with sea salt. I also took 500 mg of liposomal Vit C, nattokinase and NAC.
The taste was nice - mushroomy.
So far the effects are very subtle if any.
Need to observe more to deduce if this is just placebo or not.
Surely, there is a feeling of quiet joy and sense of gentle warmth wrapping the body.
Just that gentle sense of feeling good in my body. There is also feeling of brain clarity and increased focus, it is pretty drab day here but colours seem slightly more intense.
Sometimes during my morning meditation my brain chatter is pretty intense but today it was not one of those days, I went pretty deep effortlessly and it felt like I am aware of or connecting with subtle body energies.
Previously described feeling of being aware of energy flow in the body. This lasted only during the meditation.
On the walk afterwards there was a strong sense of connection with nature, plants, insects and trees I was encountering along the way. Strong sense of being in the present moment.
Now I feel cheerful but not euphoric just that quiet but steady feeling of being content, strong and ready for my day.
One interesting thing I noted. I usually do my breathing and meditation outside close to the fields - here it is the fly season and flies can be pretty annoying when you are sitting still and trying to meditate. This morning they left me in peace, although with this type of cloudy weather they are normally even more pesky or cheeky. There was only one that briefly landed on my arm but then immediately left. Normally there are dozens.
I thought this was interesting as Amanita is called muhomor in Slavic languages which means fly
killer.
Coincidence?! We shall see if this trend continues.
Took total of 0.45 g of several small pieces from different caps this morning on an empty stomach.
Before that I only had my usual morning 500ml of warm water with squeezed lemon followed by another 500ml of water with sea salt. I also took 500 mg of liposomal Vit C, nattokinase and NAC.
The taste was nice - mushroomy.
So far the effects are very subtle if any.
Need to observe more to deduce if this is just placebo or not.
Surely, there is a feeling of quiet joy and sense of gentle warmth wrapping the body.
Just that gentle sense of feeling good in my body. There is also feeling of brain clarity and increased focus, it is pretty drab day here but colours seem slightly more intense.
Sometimes during my morning meditation my brain chatter is pretty intense but today it was not one of those days, I went pretty deep effortlessly and it felt like I am aware of or connecting with subtle body energies.
Previously described feeling of being aware of energy flow in the body. This lasted only during the meditation.
On the walk afterwards there was a strong sense of connection with nature, plants, insects and trees I was encountering along the way. Strong sense of being in the present moment.
Now I feel cheerful but not euphoric just that quiet but steady feeling of being content, strong and ready for my day.
One interesting thing I noted. I usually do my breathing and meditation outside close to the fields - here it is the fly season and flies can be pretty annoying when you are sitting still and trying to meditate. This morning they left me in peace, although with this type of cloudy weather they are normally even more pesky or cheeky. There was only one that briefly landed on my arm but then immediately left. Normally there are dozens.
I thought this was interesting as Amanita is called muhomor in Slavic languages which means fly
killer. Coincidence?! We shall see if this trend continues.
Another great interview with Baba Masha.
Key points:
- Less is more, the less you take the better
- Amanita should never be taken in macro doses and definitely not for tripping - while it may give some great insights the price is simply not worth it.
- Excellent results in addiction- both alcohol and drugs
- Excellent and well documented results with various trauma including burns, animal bites and wasp stings.
Key points:
- Less is more, the less you take the better
- Amanita should never be taken in macro doses and definitely not for tripping - while it may give some great insights the price is simply not worth it.
- Excellent results in addiction- both alcohol and drugs
- Excellent and well documented results with various trauma including burns, animal bites and wasp stings.
Breo
The Living Force
Thank you @Z... for asking the question in the session and this interesting collection of information. I was biased about Amanita on psychedelic reasons. Now watching the videos of Baba Mama, a really reasonable MD and with the C´s positive statement: learning is fun :)
Breo
The Living Force
Baba Mama mentioned in the first video, that the shelf life of Amantia is around 6-7 months. @Z... , do you maybe know, if or how vendors take shelf life in consideration? I also saw a website that offers "dried unopened caps" vs "dried whole and broken caps". Probably there is a difference in shelf life and/or potency? Would you mind sharing your experience?
There is a lot of dodgy stuff out there indeed.
Ideally you should forage for your own mushrooms, dry them in dehydrator ( not oven) at 45-55 degrees C and then store in air tight container. Proper drying is important as it facilitates decarboxylation of Ibotenic acid to Muscimol by 30 percent. They can be preserved like this for up to 6 months and after that time they start loosing potency even if stored properly.
Therefore only mushrooms of the current season should be used. Amanitas start emerging in August and they peak in November depending on geographic region.
Most people micro-dose only from September for consecutive 6 months. Some people micro-dose for few months some for 6 full months. There are different regimes for micro-dosing. Ideally once you get where you want to be you stop. But this is highly individual and everyone has to forge their own regimen. Most people report that the effects remain for years and then they micro-dose here and there occasionally. Nobody ever reports withdrawal symptoms after they stop micro-dosing.
Anyhow after proper collection and drying, reliable suppliers age them in the dark and cold for a month or two ( as this seems to facilitate more conversion of IBO to MUSC) and then they pack them in vacuumed bags. Once you open the bag best store it in the refrigerator in air tight container with silica bags or dry bay leaves.
Unfortunately not everyone lives where Amanita grows. `For those who are not able to forage where they live the only option is ordering it from abroad and this can be tricky.
However one of the face book groups has a list of approved vendors. I like his group the most as it seems to be run by responsible people and it is focused on factual information. The vendors from their list are vetted by thousands of their members and have to fulfill certain criteria.
Here is their list of approved vendors. It is always a good idea to establish communication with chosen supplier and then should be easy to sass out if they are in it for the profit or for the genuine desire to share Amanita benefits. Don't be afraid to ask all sorts of questions about how and were they forage and how they process their Amanita.
Hope this helps.
