An eagle/owl dream followed by a clown dream....

[SeekingtheTruth]

Last Monday night I was reading one of the replies posted by Laura (I can't seem to find it at the moment) where she had a session with the C's about the percentage of people who actually think in the U.S. (12% according to the C's). The C's then say something along the lines of what do you expect with HAARP turning people's brains into tapioca and being imprisoned within a frequency fence. I was more than shocked to read that only 12% of Americans actually think and I had the thought that I should move out of the U.S. ASAP! Well that night I had a dream where I was walking along the side of this paved road. I decided to look down at one of the street drains with a metal grill covering its entrance. Inside of this drain I saw an Owl standing alone and without looking at me it escaped from the drains entrance and began to walk ahead of me accompanied by a squirrel. At this point my older brother was by my side and didn't pay any attention to either the squirrel nor the owl. However, I was intrigued and for some reason was thinking that the animals might be representatives of fourth density so I decided to follow them. The squirrel was much faster and was far ahead of the walking owl. The squirrel held my interest for enough time for me to realize that I ventured off the road and had passed by the owl. When I turned to look at the owl I told him/her that I loved him/her The owl's eyes immediately dilated and morphed into a very large bald eagle (as tall as myself). The Lord's prayer was said (though I'm not sure by whom), I raised my arm up and the eagle walked towards me and jumped onto my arm. The eagle then bent its head down and pecked me on the neck as if to kiss me and then softly grabbed my hand with both of its claws, let go and flew away. Any idea what I should make of it? Is this a possible confirmation that I should move?

Here's another dream (although I've no idea if it's related.....I don't think it is....):

I had a somewhat lucid dream the same night I posted the idea to map meteors through time using Google Earth. In the dream I was offering people something (not sure what it was) and asking them if they wanted it. Each person I asked said that they didn't want what I was asking to give them. After the first three people or so said they didn't want it I decided to stop asking. I then went up to one other person (a guy) that I had not asked and apologized (in a "telepathic" way) for trying to offer something that his "friends" clearly did not want. While I was apologizing in this way I decided to shake his hand to emphasize my sincerity. Upon shaking his hand I felt energy being drained from me into him. His initial "friendly" demeanor and "genuine" smile immediately turned into what appeared to be an evil smirk as my energy was being depleted. He then immediately morphed into an evil looking clown and jumped at me as if to attack me in some way. As it was happening a thought went through my mind concerning Carlos Castenada's encounter with an inorganic being and I wondered if I had made a mistake by shaking this man's hand. I'm not sure what to make of this dream.

 

[Pierre]

Last Monday night I was reading one of the replies posted by Laura (I can't seem to find it at the moment) where she had a session with the C's about the percentage of people who actually think in the U.S. (12% according to the C's). The C's then say something along the lines of what do you expect with HAARP turning people's brains into tapioca and being imprisoned within a frequency fence.

Hi SeekingtheTruth,

here's the excerpt you mentioned :

6 Aug 05

Q: (J) How many troops have actually been killed since the beginning of the Iraq war?

A: 7,500

Q: (H) What percentage of the US population actually supports Bush?

A: 36%

Q: (H) What percentage of the US population thinks there was complicity on the part of the US government in 9/11?

A: 47%

Q: (H) What percentage of the US population actually thinks at all?

A: 12% if you define it rigidly.

Q: (group amazement at this figure)

A: What do you expect with HAARP turning brains to tapioca

Q: (J) So it's a Zombie nation then?

A: You took the words right out of 6th density.

Q: (J) so does HAARP only affect the US population?

A: Mostly.

 

[Smallwood]

The clown one piqued my curiosity quite a bit but perhaps for wrong reasons. I don't know. I have this personal fixation about clowns in general, to me they signify my "dark side". It could be just a coincidence, and it would be better if it were, but Castaneda's writings have been a lot on my mind lately, especially the bits about those inorganic beings no less.

I realize that it would be pretty damn odd for you to pick up my "evil" during a dream because the lack of any connection that I can see, but nonetheless as these things have been jumping around in my mind a lot lately I just thought that I should ask that in case this isn't just random noise, could you describe the clown? Did he have any particular color of hair? What kind of clothes did he wear?

 

[SeekingtheTruth]

My apologies for such a delayed reply Smallwood. Yeah I also think it would be pretty damn odd as well if my dream were in any way connected to you. After having given it some thought I think the morphing of this guy into a clown via an energetic "drain" might have been more of a reflection of such energy. Thus, maybe it was a way for me indicate to myself the characteristic nature of energy that was/is currently within me. :O I must admit that I really do have a tendency to make light of very serious situations at times. Perhaps I need to somehow strengthen the negative part of my emotional center? I do have what I think to be an unusual tendency, relative to others, of living my life without any fear. I was once stopped by a group of Latino guys in a dimly lit parking lot for money on the way to my vehicle from a bar in Austin, TX at around 2:30 am one night. I was immediately punched in the face and knocked to the ground and much to their surprise (and mine as well) I immediately got up grinning from ear to ear and laughing. They looked at each other in disbelief and then one yelled to the others to jump in the car and they quickly drove away. Another example is a time when I had a head on collision with a car that had just pulled out of a convenient store in order to cross my lane in order to turn and head in the opposite direction. I've never in my life been in an accident prior to this one and the instant I realized I was going to crash into them at approx. 25 - 35 mph my heart rate never increased nor did my breathing and as it was happening I thought about two things: 1. Where on their car would be the best place for impact that would least injure not only myself but those present in the car. 2. This is probably gonna hurt. (note: that is without exclamation. Just a calm and somewhat detached internal dialogue.[edit: I forgot to mention that even then I was in good spirits. It wasn't an absence of emotion as I did feel for the others in the car and wished them no harm. Strangely, I was even slightly smiling moments before the impact in a way that probably appeared as though I was saying in my head: "Seriously? This is a joke right?" :D So I suppose to be more accurate, I was calm and detached but with sort of a smirk. ]) Luckily, I suffered only minor scrapes and bruises and the four in the other vehicle also had minor scrapes in addition to an extreme form of whiplash as a result of the ensuing 270 degree rotation the vehicle took from the impact. .

As for the dream, generally when I awake from dreaming, I make an effort to be completely still so that I may better retain the details of the dream. Unfortunately, for this particular dream I was jolted awake by the buzzing sound of my alarm clock. Thus, specific details concerning the nature of the clown are but a vague memory. From what I am able to recall the clown had male pattern baldness with tufts of bluish black hair at the periphery of his head and centered atop his head was sitting a very small black hat that appeared to be either a Top Hat or a Fez type of hat (the top of his head was in the shadows so I couldn't really tell). His head and face were both white with a light shade of gray. He had a bluish black asymmetric star type of pattern surrounding each of his eyes which gave the impression of having recently cried. He did not look sad in any way it just seemed the pattern around his eyes had been blurred by tears. The tip of his nose and the area around his lips were dark red. The area around his lips was a much darker shade of red close to that of dried blood. I can vaguely remember what he was wearing but for some reason I have the vague impression of it looking like the blue velvet suit Austin Powers wore in The Spy Who Shagged only it was almost completely black in color.

 

[Galaxia2002]

Coincidentally I had a dream related to 9 11 where appears too a drain entrace and in our dreams it seem mean a sort of "wild card" that seems just appear to change the situation, in my case to save my life, and in yours for give you a message. It´s interesting the simbolic meaning of the drain entrace as a alternate hidden way; always was there but normally is ignored. I wonder if that is related to alternate realities..

 

[SeekingtheTruth]

Eagle/owl dream Response to Galaxia2002

For some reason, when I attempted to post my reply to Galaxia2002 I wasn't allowed. I received the following response:

An Error Has Occurred!
You already submitted this post! You might have accidently double clicked, or tried to refresh.

Not once did I attempt to submit the post nor did I double click anything. Strange. Thus, I decided to create a new thread and perhaps one of the moderators could move it to the "An Eagle/Owl Dream" thread? The following was my response:


That's an interesting interpretation Galaxia2002 I hadn't thought about it from that perspective. My view was more along the lines of the metal grille atop the drain as representing HAARP's alleged frequency fence that may possibly be preventing me from accessing a higher wisdom that in the dream appeared to me in the form of an owl. I have also been thinking that my attempts to follow the squirrel may indicate my efforts to follow the direction or aims of The Fourth Way via networking with the members of this forum. Perhaps this group of members, as a sum, appeared in the form of a squirrel. And possibly in their efforts to forage knowledge I am being provided with not only a certain type of mental "food" for the proper development of my soul but also a direction that, in potential, may guide my awareness to climb this frequency fence allowing access to the "owl of wisdom". Perhaps this wisdom coupled with the efforts of my Will will light a path leading to the eagle of my salvation. So that from the yearning to Love, my wisdom will be transformed and possibly thereafter I will finally be able to act on earth in accordance to the principles that give flight to the wings of Objective Love.

Thus, maybe moving isn't really necessary. However, in light of what you said it seems moving may represent this alternate hidden path allowing a less resistant access to the aims of higher wisdom. So I suppose in a way it is related to alternate realities. As the C's might say: "Open". :D

As a side note, when I read those two words "alternate realities" it caused me to think about an experience I had a few years ago at a time when I experienced a level of synchronicity that perturbed me so much that I felt it prudent to my sanity to search and understand its cause. One night after about a month or so of reading about different religions, philosophies ranging from Socrates, Kant etc... to New Age type stuff, and bizarre conspiracies to somehow get a handle on things, I had a very strange "dream". I'm not sure if one can call it a dream as my eyes were open and I was fully aware of my surroundings but nevertheless SOMETHING happened. As I was laying in bed one night in deep thought trying to piece together something rational that could explain what the hell was happening to me I felt my body sort of go to sleep. My eyes were still open but my body was paralyzed and voluntary breathing was almost impossible. Instead of being afraid and resisting what was happening I relaxed and allowed my body to breathe on its own. The instant I relaxed I saw a lady in a white dress with the stereotypical angel wings on her back floating above me. I then noticed my left arm and my right arm were both moving such that in the end my arms were extended with my hands being in line with my shoulders. At the same time, my feet were moving such that they were pointing away from the rest of my body. Of course, I had the ability to consciously prevent my arms and feet from moving but my curiosity didn't allow it. [Edit: In addition, my head began to extend back with my mouth being wide open.] This lady in white then started to speak and she said, "this is how you travel to another universe" at the instant she said this I felt myself leave my body and then immediately return. At the instant of returning my body woke up and I could finally move. I never was really sure of what to make of this experience and never really told anyone about it because of the strangeness of it all. However, I thought I would share my experience as it seems it might be related to alternate realities.

 

[Gimpy]

Last Monday night I was reading one of the replies posted by Laura (I can't seem to find it at the moment) where she had a session with the C's about the percentage of people who actually think in the U.S. (12% according to the C's). The C's then say something along the lines of what do you expect with HAARP turning people's brains into tapioca and being imprisoned within a frequency fence. I was more than shocked to read that only 12% of Americans actually think and I had the thought that I should move out of the U.S. ASAP! Well that night I had a dream where I was walking along the side of this paved road. I decided to look down at one of the street drains with a metal grill covering its entrance. Inside of this drain I saw an Owl standing alone and without looking at me it escaped from the drains entrance and began to walk ahead of me accompanied by a squirrel. At this point my older brother was by my side and didn't pay any attention to either the squirrel nor the owl. However, I was intrigued and for some reason was thinking that the animals might be representatives of fourth density so I decided to follow them. The squirrel was much faster and was far ahead of the walking owl. The squirrel held my interest for enough time for me to realize that I ventured off the road and had passed by the owl. When I turned to look at the owl I told him/her that I loved him/her The owl's eyes immediately dilated and morphed into a very large bald eagle (as tall as myself). The Lord's prayer was said (though I'm not sure by whom), I raised my arm up and the eagle walked towards me and jumped onto my arm. The eagle then bent its head down and pecked me on the neck as if to kiss me and then softly grabbed my hand with both of its claws, let go and flew away. Any idea what I should make of it? Is this a possible confirmation that I should move?

What do owls and squirrels represent? Don't owls eat rodents like squirrels? The dream seems to be pointing out the current situation: being food/or a prey animal to other predatory critters. Just because the predator is pretty or considered positive doesn't change its nature. In the US we are given the false choice of behaving like a predator to avoid being prey....when we're just food for higher density beings. Eagles peck the neck to kill prey, not kiss them. Giving a predator love is like ringing a dinner bell. This is just the impression I'm getting from the dream, and I could be wrong.

I had a somewhat lucid dream the same night I posted the idea to map meteors through time using Google Earth. In the dream I was offering people something (not sure what it was) and asking them if they wanted it. Each person I asked said that they didn't want what I was asking to give them. After the first three people or so said they didn't want it I decided to stop asking. I then went up to one other person (a guy) that I had not asked and apologized (in a "telepathic" way) for trying to offer something that his "friends" clearly did not want. While I was apologizing in this way I decided to shake his hand to emphasize my sincerity. Upon shaking his hand I felt energy being drained from me into him. His initial "friendly" demeanor and "genuine" smile immediately turned into what appeared to be an evil smirk as my energy was being depleted. He then immediately morphed into an evil looking clown and jumped at me as if to attack me in some way. As it was happening a thought went through my mind concerning Carlos Castenada's encounter with an inorganic being and I wondered if I had made a mistake by shaking this man's hand. I'm not sure what to make of this dream.

When you apologize for something and feel sorry for another without cause, you are extending energy in the same way you would by offering a gift or service that isn't asked for? Like sending "love and light" to people that do not really want it? Could that be close?

I often apologize for weird things that have nothing to do with me, your recounting of this dream rang a bell about the issue. Perhaps these dreams are pointing out programs that keep us "fenced in" here in the States? Might be something to think on.


Gimpy

 

[SeekingtheTruth]

I'd like to respond to the first half of your reply as it holds a bit more significance for me at this point. I really appreciate your variant interpretation Gimpy as it has given me much to "think on" especially since it seems to highlight a program that seeks to "see" or "identify with" only the "good" side of things that completely denies the existence of the potential "bad" side. It seems I am always getting caught up in wanting to see things in a certain way that makes me "feel good" or confirms that I am on the right track. I have deluded myself into thinking that my actions were aligning me more towards STO before and with damaging results.
[Note: I discussed a previous example of this "habit" of mine here which has resulted in me experiencing great "pain" with a corresponding loss of "enthusiasm" for life (but I'm still "at it" so fortunately not all of it has been lost right?! :)).
If I could see otherwise, it would certainly feel very disagreeable and/or shocking for me (the very thing that is needed!  :O). As a result, when external/internal data finds it way into my perceptive filters, a stripping process takes place that clears it of its negative aspect(s). When I attempt to translate meaning to such data via this function (i.e. my current understanding) I will obviously be given a translation that coincides/reinforces this "perceptive filter!" In effect, what may seem obvious to you and some other members here somehow remains "hidden" to me. So I am very grateful that there exists here a "mirror" to help me see because I am having a VERY hard time piercing through the "veil" of this program. So how may I get out of this possibly damaging thought loop?! 

I suppose this is one way, to "think on" another viewpoint and give the filtered result(s)?

Last Monday night I was reading one of the replies posted by Laura (I can't seem to find it at the moment) where she had a session with the C's about the percentage of people who actually think in the U.S. (12% according to the C's). The C's then say something along the lines of what do you expect with HAARP turning people's brains into tapioca and being imprisoned within a frequency fence. I was more than shocked to read that only 12% of Americans actually think and I had the thought that I should move out of the U.S. ASAP! Well that night I had a dream where I was walking along the side of this paved road. I decided to look down at one of the street drains with a metal grill covering its entrance. Inside of this drain I saw an Owl standing alone and without looking at me it escaped from the drains entrance and began to walk ahead of me accompanied by a squirrel. At this point my older brother was by my side and didn't pay any attention to either the squirrel nor the owl. However, I was intrigued and for some reason was thinking that the animals might be representatives of fourth density so I decided to follow them. The squirrel was much faster and was far ahead of the walking owl. The squirrel held my interest for enough time for me to realize that I ventured off the road and had passed by the owl. When I turned to look at the owl I told him/her that I loved him/her The owl's eyes immediately dilated and morphed into a very large bald eagle (as tall as myself). The Lord's prayer was said (though I'm not sure by whom), I raised my arm up and the eagle walked towards me and jumped onto my arm. The eagle then bent its head down and pecked me on the neck as if to kiss me and then softly grabbed my hand with both of its claws, let go and flew away. Any idea what I should make of it? Is this a possible confirmation that I should move?

What do owls and squirrels represent? Don't owls eat rodents like squirrels? The dream seems to be pointing out the current situation: being food/or a prey animal to other predatory critters. Just because the predator is pretty or considered positive doesn't change its nature. In the US we are given the false choice of behaving like a predator to avoid being prey....when we're just food for higher density beings. Eagles peck the neck to kill prey, not kiss them. Giving a predator love is like ringing a dinner bell. This is just the impression I'm getting from the dream, and I could be wrong.

What do owls and squirrels represent?

I think it might be helpful to describe literally how I went about interpreting the above dream as it may highlight errors in my processing. As such I think I will indirectly answer your questions. As you will most probably notice I am an amateur interpreter!
1. I formed in my mind a list of images presented:
    i. owl within a street drain
  ii. metal grille covering street drain
  iii. A paved road
  iv. Older brother by my side
    v. squirrel walking along with and then running ahead of the owl
    vi. dilating owl's eyes as a response to me saying "I love you" followed by its transformation into an eagle while this part of Lord's Prayer is said:
                "Our Father, who art in heaven,
                  hallowed be thy name.
                  Thy Kingdom come,
                  thy will be done,
                  on earth as it is in heaven.
    vi. eagle jumping onto my arm and then pecking me once on the neck
    vii. eagle flying away

2. I then entered each of the following into google and performed a search: dream symbols owl, dream symbols eagle,  eagle symbolism, dream symbols squirrel, squirrel symbolism, and dream symbols brother as those seemed to seemed to play significant parts for me.
    The results of the search were then used as a "basis" to form an interpretation. Here are the selected results of each google search:

      a. dream symbols owl: )http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Dream_Interpreation_Owl_owls/id/255967

"The owl is a symbol of wisdom, seriousness and thoughtfulness. Dreaming of an owl in the dream means that your judgement of a personal      situation or a person was correct. It also could mean that some vague matter became much clearer. Seeing an owl in the dream may also mean that you should take good advice from others." Thus, I ignored: "Hearing an owl screeching denotes bad luck, frustration, grief or sadness. The Owl didn't screech. "Catching an owl or seeing an owl in the cage means that you should be careful of weird people and bad company." The owl was initially in a street drain which could be taken as a sort of "cage".

      b. dream symbols eagle: )http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Meaning_of_Dreams_about_Eagle/id/241683

"Carl Jung said that birds represent thoughts while birds in flight symbolize moving and changing thoughts. Birds are generally associated with freedom and abandon. In old dream interpretation books, birds are considered lucky omens. Doves and eagles are generally spiritual symbols. Your dream depends on its details, but if the birds in your dream were flying free, it may be symbolic of spiritual, psychological, or physical freedom. An eagle is a powerful bird and the unconscious message may be prosperity, success, and liberation from tedium." I ignored: The eagle is also a bird of prey and some negative connotations can be made. If the eagle is on the attack or the dream is frightening, reflect on your own aggressive and predatory thoughts and tendencies. I didn't perceive the eagle to be on the attack but I suppose it could have been.

    c. eagle symbolism: _http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/keyword.eagle/qx/symbolism_details.htm

"The eagle was a symbol born by men of action, occupied with high and weighty affairs. It was given to those of lofty spirit, ingenuity, speed in comprehension, and discrimination in matters of ambiguity. The wings signify protection, and the gripping talons symbolize ruin to evildoers. The eagle is held to represent a noble nature from its strength and aristocratic appearance, as well as its association with the ancient kings of Persia, Babylon and the Roman legions, having been the official ensign of those empires. Since then, other empires and nations have also adopted the eagle as their symbol, such as the German third reich and the empire conquered by Napoleon. The eagle is also associated with the sun. As a Christian symbol, the eagle represents salvation, redemption and resurrection."

    d. dream symbols squirrel: _http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Dream_Interpretation_Squirrel/id/239572
"To dream of seeing squirrels, denotes that pleasant friends will soon visit you. You will see advancement in your business also.

    e. squirrel symbolism:
_http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art17854.asp
"First, squirrels are generally thought of as cheerful animals. They chase each other around, they hang out in back yards, they're comfortable and friendly. A squirrel could represent a comfortable friend, someone you enjoy having fun with.Squirrels are also quite busy animals, even with all the fun they have. They gather up nuts all summer long, making sure they are set for the winter. So even though they have a good time, they're not foolish. They plan ahead.  So a squirrel in a dream could also be pointing out the importance of planning ahead. Even if you want to have fun in your life, always be looking towards the future. Make sure you spend some part of your time preparing for the future, so that when it comes, you're ready."

_http://crystal-cure.com/protection-squirrel.html
"Squirrel - Symbol of Trust, Preparedness
The Squirrel is the sentinel of the home. He will watch each member of the family and warn them if there is a problem within the family.
The squirrel is energetic in its work and play, and always ensures the future is well prepared for. The squirrel is a symbol of trust and is one of the few animals that will eat out of a person's hand. Learn from the squirrel to establish trust where you find it lacking.
Totem Lesson: energy in work and play!"

    f. dream symbols brother:
"BROTHERS : Brothers can link to very strong attempts to get others to see your point of view. They may show you pressuring someone. They may show that you feel lost and wish for some help. In a similar sense they they show you trying to make clear that you are supporting someone. That you are maybe trying to help and befriend them. So look for situations where these types of themes appear in your life(especially new thoughts emerging from the day before). [KEY WORDS : Point of view, supporting, siding with, excluded, helping]"

3. I used this as my "base" of knowledge and made an attempt to relate it to what I felt to be important aspects/thoughts going on in my life as well as to the "bigger picture" of my efforts in The Work.

As a result, I gave this interpretation:

My view was more along the lines of the metal grille atop the drain as representing HAARP's alleged frequency fence that may possibly be preventing me from accessing a higher wisdom that in the dream appeared to me in the form of an owl.

Arising from the "base" of "dream symbols owl" i.e. what it means when "seeing a caged owl". The "bad company" here being represented by those utilizing HAARP.

I have also been thinking that my attempts to follow the squirrel may indicate my efforts to follow the direction or aims of The Fourth Way via networking with the members of this forum. Perhaps this group of members, as a sum, appeared in the form of a squirrel. And possibly in their efforts to forage knowledge I am being provided with not only a certain type of mental "food" for the proper development of my soul....

Arising from the "base" of "squirrel symbolism" and "dream symbols squirrel". "The squirrel is energetic in its work and play, and always ensures the future is well prepared for. The squirrel is a symbol of trust and is one of the few animals that will eat out of a person's hand. Learn from the squirrel to establish trust where you find it lacking. I see you all as my friends, at least, as potential friends that are preparing for the "winter" of the future by gathering the necessary "food" while having "fun" learning in the process.

....but also a direction that, in potential, may guide my awareness to climb this frequency fence allowing access to the "owl of wisdom".

It was only after following the actions of the squirrel did I notice the owl was on the road looking at me.

Perhaps this wisdom coupled with the efforts of my Will will light a path leading to the eagle of my salvation.

Arising from the "base" of "eagle symbolism". When I told the owl I loved him/her there was a transformation. Possibly by the desire "to love"? At the same time of transformation, there was quoted the following of the Lord's Prayer:
                "Our Father,
                  who art in heaven,
                  hallowed be thy name.
                  Thy Kingdom come,
                  thy will be done,
                  on earth as it is in heaven."

To me, the transformation was a result of an action resulting from this Will "to love". This corresponds to my waking life very well as I desire so much to know how "to love" correctly. So I then wrote,

"So that from the yearning to Love, my wisdom will be transformed and possibly thereafter I will finally be able to act on earth in accordance to the principles that give flight to the wings of Objective Love.

I said "act" because there was an "action" of transformation taking place as a response to my desire "to love". And at the same time the above portion of the Lord's Prayer was being said in the background which also implies an "action" as a response to the same desire "to love". I said "flight" because it was only after the eagle's talons grabbed me did it fly away. I took the grabbing of the eagle's talons as symbolizing "ruin to evildoers". The evil doer being myself and once the "evil" within in me has been "corrected" by my desire "to love" via my Will in action then perhaps I may experience/understand this "flight". I interpret "flight" from the following,"...if the birds in your dream were flying free, it may be symbolic of spiritual, psychological, or physical freedom. An eagle is a powerful bird and the unconscious message may be prosperity, success, and liberation from tedium." A liberation from the tedium of STS orientation by understanding love objectively? 

I hope this answers your questions about what I think an owl and/or squirrel represents via the process of how I formed an interpretation. I realize I am very identified with what I believe is a "poetic" interpretation. It is the poetic part that is muddying the waters. The involvement of my emotional center wants this interpretation to be the correct one. I feel the need to be convinced that it is better that I "let go" and be more open to accepting your alternate view.

I think I need a little help here.     

 

[Gimpy]

If I could see otherwise, it would certainly feel very disagreeable and/or shocking for me (the very thing that is needed! Jaw Drop). As a result, when external/internal data finds it way into my perceptive filters, a stripping process takes place that clears it of its negative aspect(s). When I attempt to translate meaning to such data via this function (i.e. my current understanding) I will obviously be given a translation that coincides/reinforces this "perceptive filter!" In effect, what may seem obvious to you and some other members here somehow remains "hidden" to me. So I am very grateful that there exists here a "mirror" to help me see because I am having a VERY hard time piercing through the "veil" of this program. So how may I get out of this possibly damaging thought loop?!

I suppose this is one way, to "think on" another viewpoint and give the filtered result(s)?

I like to see the positive side to things too, be it in people or dreams. It took time to learn the ways this programs tricks me, and it still can if I'm not vigilant. Practice in going through your own thinking during the day often paves the way to catching the same program that can hoodwink you in a dream. Awareness is the important bit.

I think it might be helpful to describe literally how I went about interpreting the above dream as it may highlight errors in my processing. As such I think I will indirectly answer your questions. As you will most probably notice I am an amateur interpreter!
1. I formed in my mind a list of images presented:
i. owl within a street drain
ii. metal grille covering street drain
iii. A paved road
iv. Older brother by my side
v. squirrel walking along with and then running ahead of the owl
vi. dilating owl's eyes as a response to me saying "I love you" followed by its transformation into an eagle while this part of Lord's Prayer is said:
"Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
vi. eagle jumping onto my arm and then pecking me once on the neck
vii. eagle flying away

2. I then entered each of the following into google and performed a search:

It may be helpful to look up what each animal does in nature and its place in the 'food chain' before looking at the symbolism via dream dictionary stuff.
Next what do these symbols mean to you in light of what you've learned here? What do formula-like or rote based prayers like the Lord's Prayer really mean?
What does praying this way actually DO?

Once you think that through, then google some of the symbols...don't get attached to any interpretation you find. Remember that the dream isn't a reflection of who you are, and thinking that it is can trip you up.

I hope this answers your questions about what I think an owl and/or squirrel represents via the process of how I formed an interpretation. I realize I am very identified with what I believe is a "poetic" interpretation. It is the poetic part that is muddying the waters. The involvement of my emotional center wants this interpretation to be the correct one. I feel the need to be convinced that it is better that I "let go" and be more open to accepting your alternate view.

I think I need a little help here.

It looks like you're getting a handle on it just fine. :) Look at why the poetic part makes things muddy, and why your emotions want this to be 'right'. If trying to figure a dream out becomes frustrating, record the dream and move on. I don't think the dream is a confirmation that you should do anything, it's more a statement of what the situation is.


Anyone else have a thought that can help?

 

[RedFox]

It may be helpful to look up what each animal does in nature and its place in the 'food chain' before looking at the symbolism via dream dictionary stuff.
Next what do these symbols mean to you in light of what you've learned here? What do formula-like or rote based prayers like the Lord's Prayer really mean?
What does praying this way actually DO?

Once you think that through, then google some of the symbols...don't get attached to any interpretation you find. Remember that the dream isn't a reflection of who you are, and thinking that it is can trip you up.

I think that's good advice. I would actually make the point slightly stronger though, in that by looking for interpretations to the symbols through a book or google may be the path of least resistance. By giving away the act of interpreting it yourself, you may be loosing the message (if there is one) in the dream.
One reason for this may be that to reinforce your filters you discarded anything that contradicted them.

Having said that, Carl Jung has writtern some very good books on symbolism that you may wish to consider (they are on my rather long reading list!)

As a starting point to my own dreams I always try and ask myself what each person/animal/object means to me, what properties I associate with it, what it symbolises (mentally and emotionally) to me.
If I get stuck at that point, then I tend to seek input from elsewhere to consider what it may be. Or post them here to check to see if my own interpretation seems to fit others perspectives.

In that respect its like anything on the forum, its about using and tuning your reading instrument.

One last thought, if you are able to pick out the flavours (for want of a better word) of some of the posts here (both the objective and subjective) I find that my dreams have different flavours (that can help with the interpretation) and that while I try and interpret them 'I' have a flavour that helps me to some extent keep my objectivity in check (this one being the trickiest!)

Hope that helps.

I must admit I didn't consider the possibility of Gimpy's interpretation until he posted it, then it struck some cords i.e. the inconstancy of an eagle/predator 'kissing' your neck, seems to suggest that your concept of 'love' may blind you to the 'predator' that just revealed itself to you.
Also, as you where following first the squirrel then the owl, perhaps you where identifying with them too much?
I thought that did cross my mind was that they could be representative of your moving centre (what you be primarily identified with), and lower intellectual centre (the intellect initially being 'trapped' in the sewers).
Directing emotional energy at the intellectual centre ('love') may be a corruption or control of it, 'love' then overriding your intellectual centres ability to correctly perceive the predator.

One last thought, I often dream of walking along side a women (who I don't know in real life). I've come to the conclusion she represents my more feminine aspects/energies. I think they are aspects I need to work on acknowledging/integrating.
To be walking with your brother may then represent your male aspects/energies, that perhaps need integrating.

 

[Smallwood]

I just wanted to reply back that according to your description of the clown, it was just a coincidence then :)

You described what sounded like a rather common experience of dissociation with the car crash. I remember the time when I had my first one and it had exactly the same effect on me. I'd say that it's quite normal, of course knowing nothing much about your situation otherwise.

 

[SeekingtheTruth]

I apologize for the late reply. I've been feeling sort of sick for the past couple of weeks.

Next what do these symbols mean to you in light of what you've learned here? What do formula-like or rote based prayers like the Lord's Prayer really mean?
What does praying this way actually DO?

[I realize that I have sort of gone off track here a little bit but I thought it was necessary to clarify my perspective. Hopefully, it doesn't appear as noise.]

As a preface to what I think the symbols mean, I thought I'd mention the associations I currently have with an image of an owl and the possible cause(s) of their arising. Ever since childhood I feel I've been conditioned to associate "wisdom" or "friendliness" with the image of an owl. In childhood I was bombarded with images of this type while watching Owl in "Winnie the Pooh", Merlin in the "The Sword in the Stone", or listening and/or watching the many "Give a Hoot, Don't Pollute" public service announcements on the TV or radio.

Reflecting back on my life up to this point I can only remember maybe two to three instances where I have literally witnessed a living owl. In every instance I was either at some "nature center" or zoo. Also, during those times I remember the owls being handled by people that reinforced an image of an owl that had a friendly and calm demeanor to my developing mind. As a result, I was imprinted at a young age with an image of an owl being calm, friendly, caring and wise. Even when I think about the many hours spent watching the Discovery Channel from my childhood until I moved away from home and no longer subscribed to cable TV, I can't seem to remember ever watching something that reinforced a predatory image. Though it’s very possible I have seen a documentary of this type, I just cannot recall any such event at this moment. Of course I knew then in an intellectual way that this behavior existed, I just don’t remember ever having witnessed it. Thus, my associations have been weighted more towards the former “friendly” image rather than towards the latter.

It seems that at a young age my emotional center engaged heavily in fogging my intellectual center by attaching caring, wise, and friendly attributes to an animal that, in reality, is actually a cold and predatory creature. Though my intellectual center realized the existence of the owl’s cold and predatory nature, the "hype" given to me by my emotional center must have overridden the sum of impressions received by my intellectual center. As a result, the owl’s true predatory nature was left to exist more as an "idea" or "theory" than an actual truth.

It is funny, scary, and ironic that I have thought of myself as being more of a Man 3 because it's becoming increasingly apparent that my emotional center, as of late, has been/is playing the main role in my thinking process and not my intellectual center! This relation seems somewhat odd to me since having graduated with honors with degrees in both Mathematics and Biochemistry, having worked on a Master’s in Biochemistry, and having studied medicine for two years that I would come to such a conclusion! Yet upon discovering cassiopaea.org, its related sites (where my world was turned upside down) and then choosing to dive into esoteric studies it was/is my emotional center that was/is serving as the major source and cloud of most of my thinking!

The fact that my emotional center has served me more as a guide than my intellectual center makes some sense as my understanding of the "spiritual realm(s)” is/was in its infancy but also because my discovery of this site was due in part to both synchronous events that were related to an emotionally charged break-up. In the beginning I remained very skeptical of these synchronous events and more or less “intellectualized” them away as only coincidences and nothing more. However, the synchronicity wouldn’t stop! Thus, being “bombarded” with synchronous events while also experiencing an “unknown” depth of emotion resulting from the break-up, I began to rely on my emotional center more as a guide than my intellectual center.

And it was this type of “guidance” that ultimately led me to finding this site. As a result, I am finding it hard to objectively use my intellectual center since my emotional center served largely as my means “to see” my way here. I think I agree with you RedFox about needing to re-integrate my male aspects/energies. I think I need to re-integrate/align my intellectual center more with the emotional center (or vice-versa) such that I may develop my "knowledge of the unseen" past that of the “infant” who was responsible for discovering this site. The infant part of me is open to limitless possibility and uses emotion to “learn” the goings on of what’s around me and has not much of an intellectual side to serve as a reference to rationally integrate these “unseen” forces. Not to say I don’t have a somewhat developed intellectual center it just seems this “infant” side does not have sufficient experience to form within it a “shape” to the "unseen force" data it has received such that it may “act” appropriately. I hope that makes sense.

With that being said, I must say that I do see those symbols differently. I see my older brother as representing the part of self that needs integration. He was able to stay on the path and not become distracted by his emotions. I decided to follow the animals because my emotional center desired for them to be something other than what they were stemming from my desire to feel love from or to love something outside of me that was actually a predator! However, my brother remained unperturbed and continued walking along the path and didn’t seem to allow his emotions to cloud his perception of the surrounding activity.

As to what do formula-like or rote based prayers like the Lord's Prayer really mean? It seems they are nothing more than a ritual serving as a means to limit belief. By thinking that any one formula serves as a key to experience something that is limitless, one is placing a limit on the modes to access such an experience. Thus, belief in the power of such prayers places a restriction on what is possible by excluding any other possible modes of access that are, in reality, limitless! Within the context of the dream, I see the function of the Lord's Prayer as possibly serving the role of directing my beliefs towards an interpretation filled with wishful thinking.

 

[SeekingtheTruth]

The following is a short clip from Twin Peaks entitled "The Owls Are Not What They Seem". I thought it was interesting coincidence in the sense that, with the help of Gimpy, I came to a similar conclusion about the owl in my dream: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-FjdpBlW8. I know it may sound weird/odd but the video induced within me some much needed emotions about the evil nature of the predator. It definitely helped make the reality of the situation more real emotionally. Even though I had intellectually come to the conclusion that Gimpy had previously indicated it had been remaining more of an abstract concept and not really all that "real" in terms of its multilevel symbolic aspect.

 

[Gimpy]

The following is a short clip from Twin Peaks entitled "The Owls Are Not What They Seem". I thought it was interesting coincidence in the sense that, with the help of Gimpy, I came to a similar conclusion about the owl in my dream: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-FjdpBlW8. I know it may sound weird/odd but the video induced within me some much needed emotions about the evil nature of the predator. It definitely helped make the reality of the situation more real emotionally. Even though I had intellectually come to the conclusion that Gimpy had previously indicated it had been remaining more of an abstract concept and not really all that "real" in terms of its multilevel symbolic aspect.

While I've not watched the clip of Twin Peaks above, I can share what your dream and recent postings had me thinking on:

1. Owl: Predator, good night vision and silent hunter, eats rodents. From this, metaphor of Seeing in the Dark, Silent Stalking.

2. Main food sources: rodents= mice, squirrels etc. Traditional metaphors of Mouse and Squirrel : details, categorizing information, industriousness, preparations for future etc.

Conclusion: Owls eat mice and squirrels = The Silent Night Stalker eats the Gatherers, and those who Store Up Information and Prepare for the future.


The Twin Peaks stuff is just those creepy dudes laughing at you, without understanding that the deeper meaning has percolated through anyway. They count on what I call the 'super hero' programming to skew the possible meaning of metaphors, as G recounted in his story of the sheep and the magician.

osit.

 

[Johnno]

This is rather strange as last night I saw the Australian Tawny Frogmouth Owl at my place last night who was sitting in a tree and was not happy about my front floodlight! This is only the second owl I've ever seen in the wild. I'm sure I've passed hundreds but actually seeing one in the dark is rare.

I had a look for some meanings of the owl. It is known as "night eagle" in some cultures.

This from Conference of the Birds

The Owl

The Owl came forward with a bewildered air and said: 'I
have chosen for my dwelling a ruined and tumbledown
house. I was born among the ruins and there I take my
delight-but not in drinking wine.

I know hundreds of habited places, but some are in a state of confusion and
others in a state of hatred. He who wishes to live in peace
must go to the ruins, as the madmen do. If I mope among
them it is because of hidden treasure. The love of treasure
draws me there, for it is to be found among the ruins. Also,
I can conceal my anxious quest, and hope to find a treasure
that is not protected by a talisman; if my foot should light
on one, my heart's desire will be achieved.

I well believe that love toward the Simurgh is not a fable, for it is not
experienced by the heedless; but I am feeble, and am far
from being firm in his love, since I love only my treasure
and my ruins.'

The Hoopoe said to him: '0h you who are drunk with
love of riches, suppose you do find a treasure! Ah well, you
will die on this treasure, and life will have slipped away
without your having attained the high aim of which at least
you are aware. Love of gold is a characteristic of infidels.
He who makes an idol of gold is another Tharé. Will you
not, perhaps, become as one of the Samiri of the Israelites
who made the golden calf? Don't you know that everyone
who has been corrupted by the love of gold will on the day
of resurrection have his face changed, like a false coin, to
the likeness of a mouse?'

And this from the more new agey Sams, Jamie and Carson, David. Medicine Cards (Santa Fe: Bear and Company, 1988). it's ok nevertheless.

Overview

Owl is a creature of the night and has been symbolically associated with wisdom
because it can see what others cannot. It is the only bird that flies in total silence.
As a power animal, Own encourages you to develop your intuitive abilities and
inner senses, and to seek the knowledge that is hidden from most people. Owl is a
protector and will help you to discern more readily the motives and intentions of others,
especially those who may attempt to deceive you or take advantage of you in some way.

Owl also helps you to recognize that there is a dark side to your nature that should not be
ignored or repressed. You need to see that it is there so you can come to terms with it.
Owl is symbolic of discernment and the need to look out for deception.

You have to see to know. You have to know to see.

Honor intuition. Use discernment. Outsmart deception. Trust your first impressions.

Strange how the Persians and native Americans have different interpretation on old owl or WOL as he was known in in Winnie the Pooh.