Animal Cruelty

[realitybugll]

You'd be hard pressed not to at least once want to stick your hand through the screen and grab their necks.

your right. that is probably true. I'm cringing. I'm thinking about poor cows being dragged by ropes which I saw in the news recently :( :( :(

I just feel very emotionally repressed. I cry over my own suffering sometimes not about others though. I want to really see this and just acknowledge it and cry for very long time.

 

[Gonzo]

Of course, one has to wonder about ulterior motives. Could the same law not be used against undercover videotaping of animal cruelty at slaughter facilities?

This could be a method of stopping the reporting of animal cruelty by animal rights groups and alternative media under the guise of protecting animals.

Until animals are considered under the law to be more than mere possessions, perpetrators in many countries would get a small fine and possibly a lifetime ban on owning animals. If the judge is really angry.

Now, if cruelty happens to livestock in a federally-registered facility like a slaughterhouse processing for export, then the fines could actually amount to tens and possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars, depending on the country. But not for pets and not for farm animals on private property...yet.

Incidentally, there's a huge market for animal/human (beastiality) porn as well, which I find equally disgusting and abusive.

Regarding comets, I was hoping to see what happens when more people awaken to the sick realities around them. Will we see some form of cleansing in the form of street justice instead?

Gonzo

 

[Turgon]

You'd be hard pressed not to at least once want to stick your hand through the screen and grab their necks.

your right. that is probably true. I'm cringing. I'm thinking about poor cows being dragged by ropes which I saw in the news recently :( :( :(

I just feel very emotionally repressed. I cry over my own suffering sometimes not about others though. I want to really see this and just acknowledge it and cry for very long time.

Here is the link to the thread on Earthlings if you are interested Earthlings

We've all been affected by the pathological society we're in which robs us of a connection to ourselves, which also means a connection and understanding of others. In time, with work on your part, meditating, reading, dieting, getting to know yourself more, the ability to express emotions will become more natural. Unless I'm misunderstanding you though, I don't think it's healthy to think about tortured animals specifically for the purpose of trying to get an emotional reaction out of yourself.

You may want some type of emotional release sooner rather than later, but don't force it out in contrived situations. It's a waste of your emotional and intellectual energy.

 

[Seamus]

Please don't feel like an idiot! As far as I can tell Guardian, you seem to be doing a great deal to right the wrongs you see in this world, and that's a real inspiration for me. I spend too much time "feeling bad" about awful things like this, but not really doing anything about it.

I think we all feel bad about horrible things like this hon...doing something, even little things like making phone calls, websites, etc. is the only thing that makes me feel better. It's very STS in a way..if I don't do something, I feel like crap on a cracker.

As far as I can tell from the main page tracking this bill, it passed the house in June, recently passed the Senate, and has now come back to the house. Is this correct?

Close..it's now passed both the House and the Senate (day before yesterday) so now it goes back into committee where selected members of both the House and the Senate will argue over who picked the best wording. It really doesn't matter whose version they pick at this point, either will do...they just have to run their yaps some more to look important, get a bit more press, etc.

I am planning to call my one state Rep, and my two state Senators to voice my support for this bill. Does it make sense to call them right away, or closer to when the bill is going to come up for a vote again? Or should I call them now to encourage them to pass it quickly and then call again when its coming up for a vote? There is a post on stopcrush.org asking people to contact Congressman Bobby C. Scott. Who else can I call or write to?

At this point it would be helpful for folks in the US to call their specific Representatives and Senators and ask them to push it through committee as fast as possible. The Senate bill passed wayyyyyy easier than anyone thought it would. It was starting to look like a few political pervs were going to bring up the "Free Speech" issue, right up until some stills from actual crush videos with "Senator (insert name here) says this as "Free Speech" So what's the message?" started circulating anonymously. Evidently they changed their minds, and the bill sailed through

Lots of animal rights activists thought this was a done deal 10 YEARS ago...then the thrice damned Supreme Court weighed in and we had to start all over. As you can see, neither version is "overly broad" ...both are in fact specific enough to make the average person want to hurl. This new law (either version) uses the same mechanisms as anti child porn laws, which have been upheld by the "High Court"

That's such a perfect name for them 'cause when you read some of their decisions, you know they had to be high on something.

Hi Guardian, thanks for your response. I will call my Rep and Senators first thing next week.

 

[Guardian]

Of course, one has to wonder about ulterior motives. Could the same law not be used against undercover videotaping of animal cruelty at slaughter facilities?

No

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-5566

‘(1) IN GENERAL- This section shall not apply with regard to any visual depiction of--

‘(A) customary and normal veterinary or agricultural husbandry practices;

‘(B) the slaughter of animals for food; or

‘(C) hunting, trapping, or fishing.

‘(2) GOOD-FAITH DISTRIBUTION- This section shall not apply to the good-faith distribution of an animal crush video to--

‘(A) a law enforcement agency; or

‘(B) a third party for the sole purpose of analysis to determine if referral to a law enforcement agency is appropriate.


Edited to add: some form of "and/or the cleaning and dressing out of a kill" will be added to section (C) next week

 

[Guardian]

Incidentally, there's a huge market for animal/human (beastiality) porn as well, which I find equally disgusting and abusive.

Fortunately Zoophilia porn is still considered "sexually obscene" in the United States, and as such is illegal to possess and sell. Of course it's still available, but pervs get busted for it quite often.

Since there is no direct sexual act in crush, the same laws could not be applied

The point is, law enforcement and animal rights activists have a tool to use against zoophiles ...at least until the Supreme Court sticks their nose in on behalf of the psychopaths.

 

[Guardian]

Hi Guardian, thanks for your response. I will call my Rep and Senators first thing next week.

THANKS!!! Due to the "Free Speech" issue, the majority of the support for this legislation has been Republican....Burr being the biggest sleazeball in the bucket. Every time I shake his hand, I have to resist the urge to chew mine off at the wrist ...but they're what we had. It was a bunch of horrified senior citizens who turned this one around!

 

[Seamus]

Lots of animal rights activists thought this was a done deal 10 YEARS ago...then the thrice damned Supreme Court weighed in and we had to start all over. As you can see, neither version is "overly broad" ...both are in fact specific enough to make the average person want to hurl. This new law (either version) uses the same mechanisms as anti child porn laws, which have been upheld by the "High Court"

That's such a perfect name for them 'cause when you read some of their decisions, you know they had to be high on something.

Thrice damned is right! The government's PRIMARY responsibility should be to protect individual citizens from harm, in my opinion, so it seems that this should be the first thing the "High Court" considers in any decision. Even if one were to argue that animals had no feelings, so crush videos didn't harm them (and I think one would have to be pathological to argue something like that), it seems it would be easy to argue that they harm people.

Hi Guardian, thanks for your response. I will call my Rep and Senators first thing next week.

THANKS!!! Due to the "Free Speech" issue, the majority of the support for this legislation has been Republican....Burr being the biggest sleazeball in the bucket. Every time I shake his hand, I have to resist the urge to chew mine off at the wrist ...but they're what we had. It was a bunch of horrified senior citizens who turned this one around!

Thank goodness for righteous senior citizens!

That is really weird! I just got something in the mail from RFK Jr. about Polar bears under attack by oil men and "big game hunters", but the "liberal agenda" doesn't see this as an important issue???? Arg! Vermont has a Democrat in the house (Peter Welch) and Senate (Patrick Leahy) and an Independent Senator (Bernie Sanders). I wonder what their offices will have to say about this.

It must be hard to get clean after touching that guy. Yuck!

 

[Gonzo]

Of course, one has to wonder about ulterior motives. Could the same law not be used against undercover videotaping of animal cruelty at slaughter facilities?

No

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-5566

‘(1) IN GENERAL- This section shall not apply with regard to any visual depiction of--

‘(A) customary and normal veterinary or agricultural husbandry practices;

‘(B) the slaughter of animals for food; or

‘(C) hunting, trapping, or fishing.

‘(2) GOOD-FAITH DISTRIBUTION- This section shall not apply to the good-faith distribution of an animal crush video to--

‘(A) a law enforcement agency; or

‘(B) a third party for the sole purpose of analysis to determine if referral to a law enforcement agency is appropriate.

Edited to add: some form of "and/or the cleaning and dressing out of a kill" will be added to section (C) next week

Thanks, that's a relief. Although they didn't mention abuse occurring at a slaughter facility before the slaughter takes place. Perhaps the specific wording relating to slaughter is to protect the slaughter process and not those who discover and document abuse.

I also noticed in (2) GOOD-FAITH DISTRIBUTION it did not include distribution to media or for awareness/outreach. That means animal rights websites could be in violation of showing partials and out takes. The only distribution considered protected seems to be in relation to law enforcement or 3rd party analysts for the purpose of determining if law enforcement is warranted.

I hope certain groups speak out to have amendments made so that public awareness campaigns are not criminalized.

Gonzo

 

[Seamus]

The house and senate finally agreed to a bill and passed it on November 30th. This is the final wording of the bill, from stopcrush.org:

H.R.5566 — Animal Crush Video Prohibition Act of 2010 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] – ENR)

–H.R.5566–

H.R.5566

One Hundred Eleventh Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday,

the fifth day of January, two thousand and ten

An Act

To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit interstate commerce in animal crush videos, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Animal Crush Video Prohibition Act of 2010′.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

The Congress finds the following:

(1) The United States has a long history of prohibiting the interstate sale, marketing, advertising, exchange, and distribution of obscene material and speech that is integral to criminal conduct.

(2) The Federal Government and the States have a compelling interest in preventing intentional acts of extreme animal cruelty.

(3) Each of the several States and the District of Columbia criminalize intentional acts of extreme animal cruelty, such as the intentional crushing, burning, drowning, suffocating, or impaling of animals for no socially redeeming purpose.

(4) There are certain extreme acts of animal cruelty that appeal to a specific sexual fetish. These acts of extreme animal cruelty are videotaped, and the resulting video tapes are commonly referred to as `animal crush videos’.

(5) The Supreme Court of the United States has long held that obscenity is an exception to speech protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

(6) In the judgment of Congress, many animal crush videos are obscene in the sense that the depictions, taken as a whole–

(A) appeal to the prurient interest in sex;

(B) are patently offensive; and

(C) lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

(7) Serious criminal acts of extreme animal cruelty are integral to the creation, sale, distribution, advertising, marketing, and exchange of animal crush videos.

(8) The creation, sale, distribution, advertising, marketing, and exchange of animal crush videos is intrinsically related and integral to creating an incentive for, directly causing, and perpetuating demand for the serious acts of extreme animal cruelty the videos depict. The primary reason for those criminal acts is the creation, sale, distribution, advertising, marketing, and exchange of the animal crush video image.

(9) The serious acts of extreme animal cruelty necessary to make animal crush videos are committed in a clandestine manner that–

(A) allows the perpetrators of such crimes to remain anonymous;

(B) makes it extraordinarily difficult to establish the jurisdiction within which the underlying criminal acts of extreme animal cruelty occurred; and

(C) often precludes proof that the criminal acts occurred within the statute of limitations.

(10) Each of the difficulties described in paragraph (9) seriously frustrates and impedes the ability of State authorities to enforce the criminal statutes prohibiting such behavior.

SEC. 3. ANIMAL CRUSH VIDEOS.

(a) In General- Section 48 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

-`Sec. 48. Animal crush videos

`(a) Definition- In this section the term `animal crush video’ means any photograph, motion-picture film, video or digital recording, or electronic image that–

`(1) depicts actual conduct in which 1 or more living non-human mammals, birds, reptiles, or amphibians is intentionally crushed, burned, drowned, suffocated, impaled, or otherwise subjected to serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 and including conduct that, if committed against a person and in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, would violate section 2241 or 2242); and

`(2) is obscene.

`(b) Prohibitions-

`(1) CREATION OF ANIMAL CRUSH VIDEOS- It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly create an animal crush video, if–

`(A) the person intends or has reason to know that the animal crush video will be distributed in, or using a means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce; or

`(B) the animal crush video is distributed in, or using a means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce.

`(2) DISTRIBUTION OF ANIMAL CRUSH VIDEOS- It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly sell, market, advertise, exchange, or distribute an animal crush video in, or using a means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce.

`(c) Extraterritorial Application- Subsection (b) shall apply to the knowing sale, marketing, advertising, exchange, distribution, or creation of an animal crush video outside of the United States, if–

`(1) the person engaging in such conduct intends or has reason to know that the animal crush video will be transported into the United States or its territories or possessions; or

`(2) the animal crush video is transported into the United States or its territories or possessions.

`(d) Penalty- Any person who violates subsection (b) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for not more than 7 years, or both.

`(e) Exceptions-

`(1) IN GENERAL- This section shall not apply with regard to any visual depiction of–

`(A) customary and normal veterinary or agricultural husbandry practices;

`(B) the slaughter of animals for food; or

`(C) hunting, trapping, or fishing.

`(2) GOOD-FAITH DISTRIBUTION- This section shall not apply to the good-faith distribution of an animal crush video to–

`(A) a law enforcement agency; or

`(B) a third party for the sole purpose of analysis to determine if referral to a law enforcement agency is appropriate.

`(f) No Preemption- Nothing in this section shall be construed to preempt the law of any State or local subdivision thereof to protect animals.’.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The item relating to section 48 in the table of sections for chapter 3 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`48. Animal crush videos.’.

(c) Severability- If any provision of section 48 of title 18, United States Code (as amended by this section), or the application of the provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be unconstitutional, the provision and the application of the provision to other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby.

SEC. 4. PAYGO COMPLIANCE.

The budgetary effects of this Act, for purposes of complying with the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010, shall be determined by reference to the latest statement titled `Budgetary Effects of PAYGO Legislation’ for this Act, jointly submitted for printing in the Congressional Record by the Chairmen of the House and Senate Budget Committees, provided that such statement has been submitted prior to the vote on passage in the House acting first on this conference report or amendments between the Houses.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.

It is currently awaiting President Obama's signature.

 

[Kadam303]

Sometimes I wish it was all fake news....

In recent weeks I have seen mention of a jewish – and apparently specifically Israeli – custom of throwing live kittens and puppies into the big bonfires that jews create on the jewish festival of Lag B’Omer.

Lag B’Omer is a minor jewish festival that occurs on the 33rd day of the Omer (between the period of mourning in Judaism that is the time between Pesach [Passover] and Shavout [the celebration of the divine revelation of the Written Torah on Mount Sinai]) which marks the end of a plague that killed ‘23,000’ of the genocidal Rabbi Akiva’s (the spiritual head of the Bar Kochba revolt against the Romans and who authorised the extermination of every non-jew by the jews) students and the death of Rabbi Akiva’s most prominent disciple Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai (both of whom feature heavily in the Mishnah on which both Talmuds are commentaries) and is often marked with bonfires.

More in the link below

Jews burning Kittens and Puppies Alive in Bonfires on Lag B’Omer

In recent weeks I have seen mention of a jewish – and apparently specifically Israeli – custom of throwing live kittens and puppies into the big bonfires that jews create on the jewish festival of Lag B’Omer.

karlradl14.substack.com

 

[seek10]

Normally, if a family has one psychopath, it becomes hell for the normal people. Imagine a country with 40 to 50% psychopaths, what else can we expect other than what we are seeing in Gaza and Palestine (of few million people)?

Imagine a world, where you have these Bibi's gets Greater Israel to rule over the rest of the world ( As if they haven't yet done that in the post-WW-II-era 80 years), add the completely controllable under grounders (who can read and control common man's mind) and add 36 millions 15ft Nephilim ( for "Hollywood" special effects in real), what size of bonfire they will create? - Planet size? Interestingly this reminds me of Kantek and whose population chose to be STS and broke the planet into fine dust.

At least, C's are certain that it will not happen to this planet, which is always good. Masses needs to wake up first. Interestingly, Yesterday, Candace asked her audience to make website membership ( aka book club) to 100,000. Imagine the effect. No wonder why Bibi & Co go bonkers even if one person goes out of 'Script' with all those threats ( Anti-Semitism/ terrorism or what ever they can manufacture ) .

 

[gottathink]

Sometimes I wish it was all fake news....

In recent weeks I have seen mention of a jewish – and apparently specifically Israeli – custom of throwing live kittens and puppies into the big bonfires that jews create on the jewish festival of Lag B’Omer.

Lag B’Omer is a minor jewish festival that occurs on the 33rd day of the Omer (between the period of mourning in Judaism that is the time between Pesach [Passover] and Shavout [the celebration of the divine revelation of the Written Torah on Mount Sinai]) which marks the end of a plague that killed ‘23,000’ of the genocidal Rabbi Akiva’s (the spiritual head of the Bar Kochba revolt against the Romans and who authorised the extermination of every non-jew by the jews) students and the death of Rabbi Akiva’s most prominent disciple Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai (both of whom feature heavily in the Mishnah on which both Talmuds are commentaries) and is often marked with bonfires.

More in the link below

Jews burning Kittens and Puppies Alive in Bonfires on Lag B’Omer

In recent weeks I have seen mention of a jewish – and apparently specifically Israeli – custom of throwing live kittens and puppies into the big bonfires that jews create on the jewish festival of Lag B’Omer.

karlradl14.substack.com

True story here’s 2019 information directly from the Israeli Ministry of Environmental Protection Animal Welfare Department:

In recent years, an unfortunate and cruel phenomenon has occurred on Lag Ba'Omer eve: Street cats and dogs are thrown into bonfires alive. Many of these animals are killed; others survive, but with burns and injuries all over their bodies. The Ministry is calling on the public to be aware, and to act to prevent it when possible. If you come across a case of animal abuse, please call the Israel Police immediately by dialing 100 and call the MoEP's Environmental Center: *6911.

There are people in Israel courageously doing what they can to stop this, only half of them are psychos.