anxiety, supplements and diet. help please

[Laura]

Bone broth is definitely something I want to make, hopefully I can get to the butcher tomorrow and get the necessary bones to make it. I have been eating quite a lot of nuts recently (almonds, cashews, hazelnuts and walnuts), I will stop eating them for a bit and see if there is any change, thanks for that info.

Because I just had a virus and small bout of gastro, which was part of the virus, I think, I wasn't sure if I should fast, since I seem to be pretty tired. I have been drinking lots of fluids, mostly purified water and organic teas, with some coconut water. Last night was the first "meal" I've had in a couple of days, and I managed breakfast (bacon, mushrooms, 1 egg and spinach) this morning. Just had some more bacon with organic mince burger and avocado, carrot and some snap peas. So far so good.

You might want to cut all nuts out completely for about 6 months and then test them. Eggs, too. Many people who are sensitive to one, are sensitive to the other. And if you have leaky gut, eggs are deadly. They piggy-back toxins directly into the blood and can cause almost instant inflammation. And inflammation is the enemy since it can cause every symptom you have described.

I would also eliminate any coconut related products for a few months too. It doesn't bother EVERYbody, but nearly everyone in this house has demonstrated negative reactions to it. Keep in mind, when you are in an already toxic state, it's hard to determine what is toxic to you or not so you have to cut out everything for awhile. Spinach, also, is a no-no.

All of these foods are discussed extensively in our Life Without Bread and Ketogenic Diet threads. Yes, they are long, but it's worth it to collect the data from dozens of people's experiences.

Also, many people in the toxic state cannot tolerate even butter, though ghee (clarified butter) seems to be okay. I couldn't eat any butter for about two years. After my gut was significantly healed, I was able to tolerate butter.

So, best to act as if you are sensitive to everything that people have reported sensitivities to, and work out the details AFTER your system has calmed down. Best way to do that is to restrict your meals to just a very few things: meat, more meat, fish, and the only veggies we've found that don't bother anybody are green beans and sweet potato. But you have to watch it with those: 1 cup of cooked green beans is more than ten carbs, and a half cup of sweet potato is about 10.

The reason I mention carbs is because even THEY can be inflammatory to some people.

 

[Laura]

I just want to mention that there are some people (raises hand) that are sensitive, or even allergic to, garlic and onions. It's a real bummer, but there it is. So it doesn't hurt to drop them for a couple of weeks, too, and see how you feel after introducing them, one at a time.

For me, I can even eat herbs and spices, but my gut has really been run through the mill, but just wanted to mention it.

Absolutely. Like I said, best to eliminate everything that may potentially be a trigger for an extended test period. ANYTHING that is a seed is bad. Green beans are only okay because the seeds inside are not mature. A coconut is a seed. NO SEEDS. They are loaded with anti-nutrients, lectins, etc.

Plus, DO read the threads I mentioned: that's what they are there for, to provide the information that is being condensed for you here without the backing research findings.

 

[Psalehesost]

The simplest approach to making sure everything that can be problematic is eliminated is to live, for a time, on only animal products - veggies are not needed. Later, some safer veggies can optionally be tested and reintroduced, if you want to have them.

Lard and tallow are wonderful fats. If you can find suet, then baking it in the oven will give you wonderful tallow. Similarly, lard can be rendered, either in a frying pan or in the oven.

 

[987baz]

You might want to cut all nuts out completely for about 6 months and then test them. Eggs, too. Many people who are sensitive to one, are sensitive to the other. And if you have leaky gut, eggs are deadly. They piggy-back toxins directly into the blood and can cause almost instant inflammation. And inflammation is the enemy since it can cause every symptom you have described.

I would also eliminate any coconut related products for a few months too. It doesn't bother EVERYbody, but nearly everyone in this house has demonstrated negative reactions to it. Keep in mind, when you are in an already toxic state, it's hard to determine what is toxic to you or not so you have to cut out everything for awhile. Spinach, also, is a no-no.

All of these foods are discussed extensively in our Life Without Bread and Ketogenic Diet threads. Yes, they are long, but it's worth it to collect the data from dozens of people's experiences.

Also, many people in the toxic state cannot tolerate even butter, though ghee (clarified butter) seems to be okay. I couldn't eat any butter for about two years. After my gut was significantly healed, I was able to tolerate butter.

So, best to act as if you are sensitive to everything that people have reported sensitivities to, and work out the details AFTER your system has calmed down. Best way to do that is to restrict your meals to just a very few things: meat, more meat, fish, and the only veggies we've found that don't bother anybody are green beans and sweet potato. But you have to watch it with those: 1 cup of cooked green beans is more than ten carbs, and a half cup of sweet potato is about 10.

The reason I mention carbs is because even THEY can be inflammatory to some people.

Thank you so much Laura, I appreciate you taking the time to condense that information for me!! I am reading the Keto thread, and keto adapted, and I will add the life without bread thread to my must read list!

I have just bought ghee, organic green beans, and organic sweet potato to go with my grass fed steak tonight, I'll just eat left overs for lunch and change up the meat. I will also make sure I have small amounts of the beans and sweet potato.

Lard and tallow are wonderful fats. If you can find suet, then baking it in the oven will give you wonderful tallow. Similarly, lard can be rendered, either in a frying pan or in the oven.

Thanks Psalehesost, I will will try to find some lard, tallow and suet. But at least I have the ghee for now.

If I do make bone broth I will do it without the veg.

At least as far as i can tell, there are no problems with tobacco! that would really ruin my day. (I do smoke organic roll your own with hemp papers)

again, thanks to everyone for your advise, it is really appreciated!!

 

[Keyhole]

At least as far as i can tell, there are no problems with tobacco! that would really ruin my day. (I do smoke organic roll your own with hemp papers)

As long as its additive free - you can keep smokin'

 

[987baz]

As long as its additive free - you can keep smokin'

:D best news I've heard all day!!!!!

 

[Shared Joy]

Hi All,

maybe you have already asked yourself when should one take the probiotics to ensure safe transit of bacteria to the large intestines. Well, I've found several instructions, this one seams to make sense:

http://nutritionfacts.org/2014/01/02/how-should-i-take-probiotics/

quote

The lack of information on how to take probiotics has led to serious confusion, both for the industry and the consumer. Surprisingly it doesn’t appear as if any studies had ever examined this question–until now.

Researchers hoped to be able to measure probiotic concentrations throughout the entire process after taking a probiotic supplement minute-by-minute. To do this, they had to build a fake digestive track with a fake stomach and intestines, but complete with real saliva and digestive enzymes, acid, bile, and other digestive fluids. What did they find? If you check out my 2-min video Should Probiotics Be Taken Before, During, or After Meals?, you can see the survival of three different types of probiotics before, during, and after meals. You can also see how the probiotics fared when taken in oatmeal and milk, milk alone, apple juice, or water.

What did they find? Like vitamin D supplements, which should also probably be taken with meals for maximum efficacy (Take Vitamin D Supplements With Meals), probiotic bacterial survival was best when provided within 30 minutes before or simultaneously with a meal or beverage that contained some fat content.

This study didn’t shed light on what dose we should take and under what circumstances, however. To see what the best available science says, see the first video in this series, Preventing and Treating Diarrhea with Probiotics. Then I compared probiotics to prebiotics in Preventing the Common Cold with Probiotics? and moved to the effect of your gut flora on your mood in Gut Feelings: Probiotics and Mental Health.

Hope this helps!
Joy

 

[987baz]

What did they find? Like vitamin D supplements, which should also probably be taken with meals for maximum efficacy (Take Vitamin D Supplements With Meals), probiotic bacterial survival was best when provided within 30 minutes before or simultaneously with a meal or beverage that contained some fat content.

Thanks Shared Joy, I have been taking my probiotics when I wake in the morning about 20 minutes before breakfast, so I seem to be on the right track with that :)


Just an update on my progress. I have been eating meat, fat (mostly Lard with some ghee), with a little green beans and sweet potato now for around 6 weeks. I have just added avocado which seems to be fine.

I have been feeling better energetically and mentally speaking.

I am also half way through having my amalgams removed as my hair analysis showed mercury and aluminium were both high as well as silicon being low. Blood test showed nothing major, just slightly low Vit D and copper.

I have been taking asorbic acid, chlorella and milk thislte as well as silicon lately to go with magnesium and omega 3.

Still working my way through the keto and life without bread threads too.

One other thing that seems to be helping with the emotional side of things is my kinesiologist who as I said earlier in the thread specializes in the Neuro Emotional Technique. Through this I have been dealing with my past emotional termoil, mainly from childhood although recently we worked on some prenatal stuff (past life) which has made a big difference to me emotionally.

any way just thought I'd share my progress and thank everyone again for your advice and support

 

[Arwenn]

It's great to hear that things are on mend emotionally & mentally 987baz, & good on you for going keto! I have started putting butter in my tea & that's helped get my fat levels up without overdoing it on protein & carbs. It actually doesn't taste too bad :)

 

[987baz]

It's great to hear that things are on mend emotionally & mentally 987baz, & good on you for going keto! I have started putting butter in my tea & that's helped get my fat levels up without overdoing it on protein & carbs. It actually doesn't taste too bad :)

thanks Arwenn, yeah when I was keto I was drinking butter in my coffee, now that I can't (at least for the moment) have butter and I have stopped drinking coffee I have added some ghee to my bone broth, I will give butter a go in the not too distant future and see how I go :)

 

[RedFox]

Great to hear that things are improving 987baz! :)
Just a heads up, best to take the vitamin c an hour or two away from meals that have meat in as it can cause the body to absorb excess iron which is not good.

 

[987baz]

Great to hear that things are improving 987baz! :)
Just a heads up, best to take the vitamin c an hour or two away from meals that have meat in as it can cause the body to absorb excess iron which is not good.

thanks Redfox, I will adjust my vitamin c intake to be further away from meals

I have started putting butter in my tea

Arwenn, I meant to ask, what kind of tea? are you drinking black tea? I was having raw coacoa with coconut cream instead of coffee, I haven't tried it again as I wanted to keep away from it for a while. I figured black tea was out too because of the caffeine, but I would like to try at some stage if the black tea is ok? :)

 

[shijing]

Just wanted to mention that there is an online anxiety summit in progress right now from May 6-20:

http://www.theanxietysummit.com/

Registration is free, and they host two talks each day, available for 24 hours. There are different specialists who are approaching anxiety from a variety of angles; the roster includes Ben Lynch, Lierre Keith and Daniel Amen.

 

[987baz]

Just wanted to mention that there is an online anxiety summit in progress right now from May 6-20:

http://www.theanxietysummit.com/

Registration is free, and they host two talks each day, available for 24 hours. There are different specialists who are approaching anxiety from a variety of angles; the roster includes Ben Lynch, Lierre Keith and Daniel Amen.

thank you Shijing, I will have a look for sure, I appreciate you letting me know

 

[shijing]

Sure thing -- I'm sorry I wasn't able to announce this earlier, before they were already midway through the summit. For anyone who decides to register for this, it's a huge amount of potentially useful information, and I've found that it's a good idea to have a couple of browser windows open while listening to the daily talks in order to follow links that are discussed; it's also helpful to have one browser dedicated to amazon.com to look up books that are mentioned. There are free gifts that are offered by the various guests everyday as well -- fortunately, the host (Trudy Scott) is going to make everything available at the end of the summit in either mp3 or DVD formats if people want to order the talks and educational materials that were posted and may have been missed during the summit itself.

I listened to today's talk on micronutrients earlier this afternoon, and am in the middle of the one on histamines right now -- both of them have been very good.