Any discussions on Sylvia Browne?
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dant
The Living Force
Ok, never mind.
I found what I was looking for:
Session: 950107
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Q: (T) Yes. The media is playing that down... 140 mile an hour winds up in the Carolina's and out in California they were hitting 160
miles an hour winds. (L) Well, they told us we were going to have really weird weather. (T) There was another earthquake in Japan
today. This has been ongoing for the last couple of weeks. Japan is supposed to go. (V) Sylvia Brown was on a talk show. Sylvia
Brown is known as a highly aware psychic. How do you feel about her psychic abilities?
A: Okay.
Q: (V) She had said that there was going to be a big earthquake in Alaska... a huge one... what can you tell us about this?
A: One of many events of the buildup lasting years, as you measure time.
Q: (V) That's interesting because I followed Sylvia Brown for a number of years. (L) Let me ask this: I got a letter from Piers A. and he
was giving me the big pooh pooh and....
A: Piers is misguided.
Q: (L) Well, my question about this is, in addition to that really revolting letter I got from that creep on the network, my feeling about this
is: I really want these people to open their eyes, will they?
A: Those who will, will.
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I found what I was looking for:
Session: 950107
...
Q: (T) Yes. The media is playing that down... 140 mile an hour winds up in the Carolina's and out in California they were hitting 160
miles an hour winds. (L) Well, they told us we were going to have really weird weather. (T) There was another earthquake in Japan
today. This has been ongoing for the last couple of weeks. Japan is supposed to go. (V) Sylvia Brown was on a talk show. Sylvia
Brown is known as a highly aware psychic. How do you feel about her psychic abilities?
A: Okay.
Q: (V) She had said that there was going to be a big earthquake in Alaska... a huge one... what can you tell us about this?
A: One of many events of the buildup lasting years, as you measure time.
Q: (V) That's interesting because I followed Sylvia Brown for a number of years. (L) Let me ask this: I got a letter from Piers A. and he
was giving me the big pooh pooh and....
A: Piers is misguided.
Q: (L) Well, my question about this is, in addition to that really revolting letter I got from that creep on the network, my feeling about this
is: I really want these people to open their eyes, will they?
A: Those who will, will.
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Sylvia Browne is mentioned briefly in today's Signs page -
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/128663-Cryptographer+Solves+Psychic+Challenge
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/128663-Cryptographer+Solves+Psychic+Challenge
Sylvia Browne is the CEO of Sylvia Browne Corporation, which charges $750 for you to talk to her on the phone for an hour about your self-serving concerns. Her web site says that a psychic reading with her helps you to:
Wikipedia says she picked up the surname Brown during the third of four marriages and added the final e for effect. She has been indicted on investment fraud and grand theft. She says heaven is located three feet above the surface of the Earth, is a constant 78 degrees F, has no bugs, lots of pets, and that you can build a house anywhere (well, except for some places where you need to seek a permit).
If you want to see her in person for six hours, that'll be $1000 and you must share her with 40 others, but you can hear her talk about the meaning of life and contacting angels.
Wikipedia says she picked up the surname Brown during the third of four marriages and added the final e for effect. She has been indicted on investment fraud and grand theft. She says heaven is located three feet above the surface of the Earth, is a constant 78 degrees F, has no bugs, lots of pets, and that you can build a house anywhere (well, except for some places where you need to seek a permit).
dant
The Living Force
I have watched the Montel Show. Several times. Everything that went on in those shows had nothing concrete, it was superficial, there was no hard data, it seemed to be very, very vague. Sylvia's body language tells me a lot about her, and she gives me the appearance as one on a pedestal, looking down. She is invariably too quick to give answers before the questions are completed as if she knew what to say beforehand. Montel himself is also a clue. He amplifies everything, throws in a quip or two and inadvertently lets slip some very questionable statements that rubbed me the wrong way. It is afterall HIS SHOW (and Tell). Sylvia believes in angels, love/light, discredits calamities, describes ORBS as angels and without question. She see's God, I think, as all loving, all good, in absence of all Evil - that is, not two-faced. It seems that her cup is either half-full or half-empty but never full. An then there is that fee. Money always gets in the way - but then - we all should be paid for our work - so, I cannot see that in and of itself as being "bad" because even Laura/Ark *should* be paid for their work so that they can also survive in this difficult world of STS beings. OSIT.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
An old friend of mine's father used to compose and play music during Sylvia's 'lectures' - he was never paid for the bulk of his work and she became quite nasty with him when he asked for payment. In that interaction, at least, she was certainly not honest nor above board - but I think Adpop sums it up quite nicely.
For what it's worth, CNN's coverage of Browne is available on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkbkkkT6ejA
All video's with/about her:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Sylvia+Browne&search=Search
Never heared of this woman before, but I get the creeps just looking at her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkbkkkT6ejA
All video's with/about her:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Sylvia+Browne&search=Search
Never heared of this woman before, but I get the creeps just looking at her.
FWIW
Back when I was listening to Coast to Coast, George Noory was a big fan of Sylvia Browne's. Always giving her plugs as "the real thing", etc. Then there was the mining accident where 12 guys were trapped in a collapsed mine. Sylvia happened to be on his show at the time. He asked her if any were alive and she said yes, there might be one dead. Then came the report that said that all but one were dead. George was very shaken. And when he asked Sylvia to explain how she could have been so wrong, she back-pedaled and said that what she really meant was that only one would survive. That's pretty close to how it went, anyway. I stopped listening to the show several months after that and he only mentioned her once during that time and that was to say how disappointed he was in her trying to cover-up her mistake. And the whole time I listened to him after that, he never had her back on.
Back when I was listening to Coast to Coast, George Noory was a big fan of Sylvia Browne's. Always giving her plugs as "the real thing", etc. Then there was the mining accident where 12 guys were trapped in a collapsed mine. Sylvia happened to be on his show at the time. He asked her if any were alive and she said yes, there might be one dead. Then came the report that said that all but one were dead. George was very shaken. And when he asked Sylvia to explain how she could have been so wrong, she back-pedaled and said that what she really meant was that only one would survive. That's pretty close to how it went, anyway. I stopped listening to the show several months after that and he only mentioned her once during that time and that was to say how disappointed he was in her trying to cover-up her mistake. And the whole time I listened to him after that, he never had her back on.
NORDIC HEALER
Jedi
Concerning Sylvia Browne, I use to workout at Gold's Gym in Mountain View CA where her oldest son also was a member. What struck me immediately was the immense amount of Excesses he would blatantly show off. Practically ever day he would drive a different High End car to the gym. One day a new BMW, then a Jaguar, a Mercedes SL, a Mustang convertible, a Corvette, a Cadillac. There seemed to be no limit to the new cars he had. This was about the year 1987.They were really living it up with the NEW money she had fairly recently been making in large amounts.
Obviously his mothers money was behind all this superfluousness and ostentation. He himself was rather egotistical, cold and unfriendly in the same way I have found his mother to be in person. He also was Ultra YANG as his mother is. She is basically a Man in a woman's body Energetically.
Her other son Chris however is as Feminine as Sylvia is Masculine. He lives in Almaden a very high end golf course country club suburb of San Jose, CA with his (so called window dressing girl friend/ wife), yet hangs out in West Hollywood at places like The Abbey (a famous Gay Club) where he has been spotted a number of times in a very Loud, Drunken state, embarrasing both his mother's and his own reputation as renowned, world class Psychics.
I have watched her for years give her answers to very Sad, Tragic, Heart Wrenching stories, that had me deeply crying. Her normal delivery is curt, cold, brief and with no real compassion for the families or people who are seeking genuine closure and answers to unsolved enigmas that they have lived with in Anguish in some cases for years.
Has anyone noticed how her skin looks Aligator like? There is a very Strange Brand of "Coarsness" about her whole person. She has had massive amounts of espensive Plastic Surgery to try and make her overall look more normal and beautiful and feminie, but the same underlying Reptilian look, for me at least, comes through.
I suspect if you were to really track down with Hard Investigation and Fact Finding, the answers she so flippantly gives, you would discover a huge percentage of these answers are very Erroneous and far from the Truth. Most people though are too caught up in the glamour and emotions to think with Perspicacity upon these matters.
Obviously his mothers money was behind all this superfluousness and ostentation. He himself was rather egotistical, cold and unfriendly in the same way I have found his mother to be in person. He also was Ultra YANG as his mother is. She is basically a Man in a woman's body Energetically.
Her other son Chris however is as Feminine as Sylvia is Masculine. He lives in Almaden a very high end golf course country club suburb of San Jose, CA with his (so called window dressing girl friend/ wife), yet hangs out in West Hollywood at places like The Abbey (a famous Gay Club) where he has been spotted a number of times in a very Loud, Drunken state, embarrasing both his mother's and his own reputation as renowned, world class Psychics.
I have watched her for years give her answers to very Sad, Tragic, Heart Wrenching stories, that had me deeply crying. Her normal delivery is curt, cold, brief and with no real compassion for the families or people who are seeking genuine closure and answers to unsolved enigmas that they have lived with in Anguish in some cases for years.
Has anyone noticed how her skin looks Aligator like? There is a very Strange Brand of "Coarsness" about her whole person. She has had massive amounts of espensive Plastic Surgery to try and make her overall look more normal and beautiful and feminie, but the same underlying Reptilian look, for me at least, comes through.
I suspect if you were to really track down with Hard Investigation and Fact Finding, the answers she so flippantly gives, you would discover a huge percentage of these answers are very Erroneous and far from the Truth. Most people though are too caught up in the glamour and emotions to think with Perspicacity upon these matters.
Chris is the apparent "heir to the throne" in terms of the business. His fee is a mere $450/hour for phone consultation, which is about one million dollars per year if you could do it forty hours per week. His name is prominent on the Sylvia web site right from the start. It says, basically, "if Slyvia is the best psychic around, then Chris is the second best," etc. It is also noted on Wikipedia that Chris's father does not believe that his son nor his ex-wife have any psychic abilities. Those interested might also wish to view the Stop Sylvia Browne web site: hXXp://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/
Dant wrote: << Money always gets in the way - but then - we all should be paid for our work - so, I cannot see that in and of itself as being "bad" because even Laura/Ark *should* be paid for their work so that they can also survive in this difficult world of STS beings. OSIT. >>
But what is this work? How much of it is simply giving in to temptation? If you're a trance channel and simply step out of your body for an hour while giving a reading, is $750 a reasonable charge for it? "Psychic Angela" charges $75 and Norma Milanovich of We, the Arcturians takes $150. I don't know. So many psychics use their abilities (alleged or real) to enrich themselves silly, without any real, visible commitment to activism. Those people probably look at Edgar Cayce's thousands of personal readings and salivate at the money he could have made if he charged for his services. Some mix the two approaches. Of course, Laura could do it. A fake could do it, too, and it would still be work. Does anyone know if Carla Rueckert does personal readings for fee? Jane Roberts apparently did a lot of this for others and had weekly psychic workshops and everything, but I have no idea if she charged for such activities.
Dant wrote: << Money always gets in the way - but then - we all should be paid for our work - so, I cannot see that in and of itself as being "bad" because even Laura/Ark *should* be paid for their work so that they can also survive in this difficult world of STS beings. OSIT. >>
But what is this work? How much of it is simply giving in to temptation? If you're a trance channel and simply step out of your body for an hour while giving a reading, is $750 a reasonable charge for it? "Psychic Angela" charges $75 and Norma Milanovich of We, the Arcturians takes $150. I don't know. So many psychics use their abilities (alleged or real) to enrich themselves silly, without any real, visible commitment to activism. Those people probably look at Edgar Cayce's thousands of personal readings and salivate at the money he could have made if he charged for his services. Some mix the two approaches. Of course, Laura could do it. A fake could do it, too, and it would still be work. Does anyone know if Carla Rueckert does personal readings for fee? Jane Roberts apparently did a lot of this for others and had weekly psychic workshops and everything, but I have no idea if she charged for such activities.
dant
The Living Force
AdPop,
If the producer has clearly defined what is being offered/provided (Services, Value), and
the consumer understood exactly what it is they are receiving for their money, then there
should be no conflicts/inequalities and both parties should be satisfied. Conflict/inequalities
arises when the producer/consumer does not clearly define/understand what is being
offered/received. Deceptions can occur on part of the producer as well as the consumer. Likewise
maybe there was no actual deception at all; there is misunderstanding between one or both parties.
Everyone has a perceived notion of what value is for their money and therein lies the conflict when
one discovers they might have been had. If you buy a watch from store A and was satisfied but
then discovered that store B had the same watch for 5% less, do you feel swindled? What if store
C had it for 50% off? How about a street "vendor" for 75% off? What if you learned that if you ordered
the watch from the manufacturer direct, you could have gotten it for 90% off - they were going bankrupt!
If you hadn't known all that and was happy with the watch from store A - where is the crime?
Compare this against the following: a magician, a charlatan, and a psychic.
So, if you were seeking information on your loved one who had passed away, and
choose from the above list, what do you expect to get from for a "fair price"? What
is the difference in each of the cases above? It may seem obvious at first glance but
then maybe not - the devil is in the details?
So your perception of an 'outrageous' Psychic Fee, may not be 'outrageous' for someone
else and might be quite reasonable as they may feel they have received something of
"value" to themselves. It is a free will universe after all and all there is, but lessons. Maybe
the lesson learned depends on the individual and at a level all others do not necessairly
understand. OSIT
If the producer has clearly defined what is being offered/provided (Services, Value), and
the consumer understood exactly what it is they are receiving for their money, then there
should be no conflicts/inequalities and both parties should be satisfied. Conflict/inequalities
arises when the producer/consumer does not clearly define/understand what is being
offered/received. Deceptions can occur on part of the producer as well as the consumer. Likewise
maybe there was no actual deception at all; there is misunderstanding between one or both parties.
Everyone has a perceived notion of what value is for their money and therein lies the conflict when
one discovers they might have been had. If you buy a watch from store A and was satisfied but
then discovered that store B had the same watch for 5% less, do you feel swindled? What if store
C had it for 50% off? How about a street "vendor" for 75% off? What if you learned that if you ordered
the watch from the manufacturer direct, you could have gotten it for 90% off - they were going bankrupt!
If you hadn't known all that and was happy with the watch from store A - where is the crime?
Compare this against the following: a magician, a charlatan, and a psychic.
So, if you were seeking information on your loved one who had passed away, and
choose from the above list, what do you expect to get from for a "fair price"? What
is the difference in each of the cases above? It may seem obvious at first glance but
then maybe not - the devil is in the details?
So your perception of an 'outrageous' Psychic Fee, may not be 'outrageous' for someone
else and might be quite reasonable as they may feel they have received something of
"value" to themselves. It is a free will universe after all and all there is, but lessons. Maybe
the lesson learned depends on the individual and at a level all others do not necessairly
understand. OSIT
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
dant, no offense intended at all, but I think you might be engaging what is termed 'legalistic nit picking', fwiw. Adpop said he didn't know - he was just presenting the information.
If Ms Browne advertises and sells her wares as one thing (psychic insight into your dead loved ones or your life) and it is, in fact, something else (made up hooey off the top of her head) do you think that is a misconception or a deception? Also, I think the point Adpop is trying to make is that if Ms Browne were even mildly leaning in the STO direction, she surely wouldn't charge an arm and a leg for her 'insight' - she is a very, very wealthy woman - that doesn't happen by accident.
If Ms Browne advertises and sells her wares as one thing (psychic insight into your dead loved ones or your life) and it is, in fact, something else (made up hooey off the top of her head) do you think that is a misconception or a deception? Also, I think the point Adpop is trying to make is that if Ms Browne were even mildly leaning in the STO direction, she surely wouldn't charge an arm and a leg for her 'insight' - she is a very, very wealthy woman - that doesn't happen by accident.
This is not true. When producer defines what is being provided and the product can not be provided - this may be called a fraud or a scam.dant said:
For instance our producer defines:
"* Minimize the severity of unpleasant coming events"
But that clearly can not provided. In fact the "product" can easily lead to maximizing the severity of unpleasant coming events. Therefore it is a scam.
You may like to read this:
_http://www.corporatenarc.com/sylviabrownescam.php
and this
_http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_6_28/ai_n6361823
You can certainly find more.
But even if she did exactly what she said she'd do (which is not the case) - even if the seller and the buyer agreed on the price and both parties received exactly what is expected... does that make everything ok? Just because you have the right to charge anything you want for your services does not mean you're not a selfish psychopathic manipulator. Even if Sylvia was not lying about what she offers, she still charges $700 per hour for something that is very easy for her to do and she knows that people who lost loved ones will pay almost anything to get any hint of information about them. So why does she charge so much? Because, given the situation, she can! Another person doing the same thing can do it for free or very little cost because they actually care about others. But she chose to take advantage of the situation for her own greed.
Just because you can do something and are not lying about it, doesn't mean it's not a selfish and evil thing to do. Lies and deception are not evil in and of themselves- it's all in why you lie and the context of the situation. Lying to the tyrranical oppressors to protect your resistance movement is service to others! So deception, in and of itself, does not make something good or bad. And charging $700 for what she charges and doing what she does with that money - well regardless of whether it was under false pretenses or not - it is clearly aimed at self-gratification and taking advantage of the situation, of the buyer, and there are many other ways to manipulate someone besides deception, as is apparent from various tactics the pathocracy uses to get people to "get in line" or "pay up".
If I am a very famous movie star I can just stand in the middle of the street and charge $100 for people to shake my hand. I bet I can get tons of people who idolize me to agree and gladly do it, many will be willing to pay a lot more than that if I chose to charge even more. But I'm clearly being a self-obsessed manipulative bastard taking advantage of the situation, even if I'm not deceiving the customer about what they're getting. And I clearly do not care about the people, I just want money - I'm not in it to make people happy even if at the surface, they are happy to be able to shake my hand even if they have to dish out tons of money for it. Similarly, for-profit corporations are not in it to make people happy - their ONLY goal is profit, and they know that to do that they have to offer a service. But the goal is not to offer the service which they think will serve humanity, that's just a sacrifice they had to make in order to get what they want - profit. And if they can find a way to charge more, they will, and do - why? Because they can, and their ability to maximize their profit is the only thing that stands in their way of raising the price - not any sort of humanitarian concerns or desire to help the world or anyone else. That's why companies charge through the roof when they are a monopoly and don't have competition - they charge exactly as much as people are willing to pay. If Sylvia could charge a million dollars per hour, she most certainly would.
On the other hand, if Laura could charge a million for her books - she still wouldn't charge a penny over what she absolutely needs to continue her work. Why? Because her aim is to serve humanity, Sylvia's aim is self-aggrandizement and acquisition of wealth. Both offer services and charge for them, and even if both were completely honest about the service, there is still a world of difference between them. Ok I'm out of analogies lol.
Just because you can do something and are not lying about it, doesn't mean it's not a selfish and evil thing to do. Lies and deception are not evil in and of themselves- it's all in why you lie and the context of the situation. Lying to the tyrranical oppressors to protect your resistance movement is service to others! So deception, in and of itself, does not make something good or bad. And charging $700 for what she charges and doing what she does with that money - well regardless of whether it was under false pretenses or not - it is clearly aimed at self-gratification and taking advantage of the situation, of the buyer, and there are many other ways to manipulate someone besides deception, as is apparent from various tactics the pathocracy uses to get people to "get in line" or "pay up".
If I am a very famous movie star I can just stand in the middle of the street and charge $100 for people to shake my hand. I bet I can get tons of people who idolize me to agree and gladly do it, many will be willing to pay a lot more than that if I chose to charge even more. But I'm clearly being a self-obsessed manipulative bastard taking advantage of the situation, even if I'm not deceiving the customer about what they're getting. And I clearly do not care about the people, I just want money - I'm not in it to make people happy even if at the surface, they are happy to be able to shake my hand even if they have to dish out tons of money for it. Similarly, for-profit corporations are not in it to make people happy - their ONLY goal is profit, and they know that to do that they have to offer a service. But the goal is not to offer the service which they think will serve humanity, that's just a sacrifice they had to make in order to get what they want - profit. And if they can find a way to charge more, they will, and do - why? Because they can, and their ability to maximize their profit is the only thing that stands in their way of raising the price - not any sort of humanitarian concerns or desire to help the world or anyone else. That's why companies charge through the roof when they are a monopoly and don't have competition - they charge exactly as much as people are willing to pay. If Sylvia could charge a million dollars per hour, she most certainly would.
On the other hand, if Laura could charge a million for her books - she still wouldn't charge a penny over what she absolutely needs to continue her work. Why? Because her aim is to serve humanity, Sylvia's aim is self-aggrandizement and acquisition of wealth. Both offer services and charge for them, and even if both were completely honest about the service, there is still a world of difference between them. Ok I'm out of analogies lol.
