Any discussions on Sylvia Browne?

[Miss Isness]

I realize
now that you were quoting Irini and I missed that and for this I am sorry.

No worries. Certainly, there are many forms of psychic ability - precognition, telekinesis, etc., and there is documented evidence of particularly 'gifted' psychics using these skills. I would think Laura is somewhat of an expert on the subject. I'm not sure exactly what you're in doubt about, though. Is it whether or not this can be an STO activity, or whether or not it has been proven to be authentic?

 

[wodasi]

I have been going to "New Age Fairs" for 25 years. (Its a large gathering with 40 to 60 readers)- (twice a year)
The price about 15-20 U.S. for 15 to 20 min. Their usual private cost is 60.oo and up.
They have never been accurate with future predictions but on a number of occasions spot on
with childhood stuff or recent personal conditions. Some good medical intuitives as well.
I usually say very little,but one reading was very interesting , this lady said I had a collar on my
neck and with my help and my guides we all would remove it, I felt very very good after that for
several hours? Who Knows....
I still go but do not expect anything major ....call me stupid it would not be the first time heh...

My girlfriend is big into Sylvia, has read many of her books...I try to tell her to read other stuff as well
but...? to no avail ( to me its kinda like being in the 1800.s it only goes so far...lotsa stuff about heaven ...)
My girlfriend does not go to the fairs but would jump at the chance to get a reading from Sylvia,
go figure huh? . . .

 

[dant]

Is it whether or not this can be an STO activity, or whether or not it has been proven to be authentic?

Yes to both counts and more importantly, by what criteria do we use for seperating a
fake from a real one? Do Psychics depend on "word of mouth" to get gainful business
or do they have to pay a high price by doing it for free and starve at the same time?

Ms Browne is labeled a fraud basically because of serveral factors, (1) She is not 100%
accurate, (2) She charges too high a premium for her "services", (3) She is a criminal
and did "bad things" and has factual records to back it up, (4) Her children are misfits
like herself, and on and on, so she cannot be called a psychic? What if she has the
dictionary definition of a psychic and can prove it - and is not 100% accurate but say
90%? 75%? 50%? By what criteria do we use to seperate a fraud from the real
McCoy?

If I wanted a psychic, do I need to specify what kind of a psychic I need to see? Like
chosing a specialtist for my particular ailment among doctors (cancer, fever, broken
bones, etc.) so how in the heck does one go about seeking the right one out? Would
you say a Reiki Master is "a kind of" psychic?

There are a million questions running through my mind regarding psychics that it seems
there is really very little documented "facts" regarding this "profession" - it's like saying
the psychics left by way of the Dodo Bird, as with shamans, medicine doctors, and so on
so what is left is fakes that mimic an old craft because the secrets are forgotten or there
are so few left with real extrasensory abilities?

Is there a list of recommended psychics anyone would like to recommend here and
do we need to seperate out these psychics into a category of specialties?

 

[Alana]

If i am not mistaken, the C's said that there are variable futures. A "psychic", even a very good one (whatever that may mean), will be able to "see" only one of them, which will exclude all other infinite possibilities. Is there a point then in wondering whether a psychic is good or not? That's my current perspective.

 

[dant]

Only ONE of infinite possibilities? Are you sure about that?
~chiming in~: Where is the data? :p

It is OPEN is it not?

Maybe that is why the C's were "terse" or "vague" by saying "Okay."

But then again, it seems that psychics cannot be "nailed down" because
as you/C's said: "variable futures" or "Infinite possibilities". There are simply
not enough data to draw any conclusions, but only on the 'available data'
which depends solely on the specific psychic who made claims to be one,
and data starts on the date of their claim(s)? But then again, there are
those who are 'psychic' but never claimed such a title: E.Cayce?

Is there a point then in wondering whether a psychic is good or not?

Yes, I think because you want to avoid being 'taken in' by one who
is fake (STS? STO?) and to arm yourself with knowledge to protect yourself.

Can you simply avoid them by not soliciting for a 'reading' or just
stay away from them? Dunno. They can seemingly 'appear out of
nowhere', confront you with their "reading", and before you know it,
there it is! What do you do?

For me as it is, I cannot state emphatically, how I would handle it nor
can I determine either way as to their "readings", but I can say that
once I hear it - it would take me a long time 'figuring out" what to do
with what I was told by a "psychic", especially if one did not identify
themselves as such.

That is why I am asking these questions. How do you learn about them
and take appropriate actions? After all, the C's mantra is: ...., well,
you already know it.

 

[anart]

Yes, I think because you want to avoid being 'taken in' by one who
is fake (STS? STO?) and to arm yourself with knowledge to protect yourself.

This implies that just because you think of someone as a psychic that you would accept what they say uncritically. It is as if you would use the 'definition' of someone as a psychic as proof that they were - quite frankly, your whole line of questioning on this escapes me. No matter who someone is, would you accept what they said just because they said it?

Certainly you don't accept anything anyone says just because they say it, including the C's or Laura or Ark or anyone - so why would a 'psychic' be any different? Why would defining who is or is not a psychic even matter if one is discerning and examines everything one comes across from an objective view - or as close as they can get.

I suppose my question is - what is the point?

 

[dant]

Perhaps you are right, what's the point of this line of reasoning.

I guess I was trying to get a handle on 'psychic' and perhaps I
got carried away by delving too deeply on this subject? Perhaps
the whole point of this thread is that 'psychics' are an open subject
that relies only on the encounter and the available data that presents
itself at the time? You make a good case that 'psychic' or not, it does
not really matter.

 

[Mr. Premise]

I agree.

Years ago a friend of mine warned me never to go to a psychic for this reason. Even if the psychic is not a fraud, what they could do is collapse the quantum possibilities, so to speak, by choosing one possibility and telling you it. Who knows?

If i am not mistaken, the C's said that there are variable futures. A "psychic", even a very good one (whatever that may mean), will be able to "see" only one of them, which will exclude all other infinite possibilities. Is there a point then in wondering whether a psychic is good or not? That's my current perspective.

 

[dant]

To all in this thread:

I have learned a LOT by these discussions since I have never been
exposed to the use of such labels (specificially 'psychic'), never
encountered one, never sought one out, but nevertheless never
understood WHY. Yes, I was warned many times, and I heeded
such warning, and so I point back to my earlier thread relating to
the 'Child being warned of being burned by the stove', only I did
not burn myself due to this thread/discussions.

These doubts lingered in me, especially when you HEAR or READ
about psychics 'predicting' the future/health/whatever and somehow
it is seemingly true. Yes, we also HEAR/READ about 'fake psychics',
but nevertheless, it still confounded my mind and the ability to discern.

That is why, I was being 'anal retentive' on that word: 'psychic'

Anart point it out 'crystal clear', that I was spiraling down into
the definition and not SEEing the forest for the trees (as did Irini,
but I did not GET IT!). So my thanks to them and others for
helping me to get out of this hole. :)

SO - I have no need to visit a psychic, ever.

 

[Miss Isness]

Can you simply avoid them by not soliciting for a 'reading' or just
stay away from them? Dunno. They can seemingly 'appear out of
nowhere', confront you with their "reading", and before you know it,
there it is! What do you do?

That's what happened to me once, in a a taxi. The driver warned me without any solicitation on my part that I would have an unwanted pregnancy.

Even if the psychic is not a fraud, what they could do is collapse the quantum possibilities, so to speak, by choosing one possibility and telling you it. Who knows?

I'm convinced that's what happened in my case, and I think it had something to do with the dominating and fatalistic way the information was communicated. Since I've been in Italy, I've been told about some very gifted psychics and offered a chance to meet them, but I'm no longer interested in taking the risk of letting someone else decide my future for me.

The topic of psychics makes for an interesting English conversation lesson. My students have told me plenty of personal experiences that leave no doubt in my mind that there are some people who are able to see quite far into the future. The only advantage I can see of knowing the probable future, and the reason for it, is that it would give one the option to make different choices and improve one's probable future in some cases. I recall the C's giving this kind of information to some of the people sitting in on their sessions. Unfortunately, most of the times the information was rejected.

 

[Pierre]

I agree.

Years ago a friend of mine warned me never to go to a psychic for this reason. Even if the psychic is not a fraud, what they could do is collapse the quantum possibilities, so to speak, by choosing one possibility and telling you it. Who knows?

It reminds me of the meeting between Neo and the Oracle (in the Matrix movie) :

Oracle: I'd ask you to sit down, but, you're not going to anyway. And don't worry about the vase.
Neo: What vase?
[Neo turns to look for a vase, and as he does, he knocks over a vase of flowers, which shatters on the floor]
Oracle: That vase.
Neo: I'm sorry...
Oracle: I said don't worry about it. I'll get one of my kids to fix it.
Neo: How did you know?
Oracle: Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?

...

Oracle: OK, now I'm supposed to say, "Hmm, that's interesting, but..." then you say...
Neo: ..."but what?"
Oracle: But... you already know what I'm going to tell you.
Neo: I'm not The One.
Oracle: Sorry, kid. You got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something.
Neo: What?
Oracle: Your next life, maybe. Who knows? That's the way these things go.

...

Morpheus: “She [the Oracle] told you what you had to hear."

 

[alwyn]

That's what happened to me once, in a a taxi. The driver warned me without any solicitation on my part that I would have an unwanted pregnancy.

and

Even if the psychic is not a fraud, what they could do is collapse the quantum possibilities, so to speak, by choosing one possibility and telling you it. Who knows?

and

I'm convinced that's what happened in my case, and I think it had something to do with the dominating and fatalistic way the information was communicated. Since I've been in Italy, I've been told about some very gifted psychics and offered a chance to meet them, but I'm no longer interested in taking the risk of letting someone else decide my future for me.

Well, gosh, at the risk of being flamed out of the forum here...(on the other hand, this is a dated forum, so perhaps I'm only speaking "for the record") I know a little bit about psychics, technically one should say psychic ability. I think that everyone has this ability, to a degree. I think that, in essence, to use one's intuition is to enter a quarkish realm, non linear, non local. What a psychic can do (and this is determined by the type of psychic, there are different abilities) is read which way those probable futures go. Hopefully, this can be stated as "the way the energy is going at this time..."

Should this energy be used indiscriminately? No. Should one volunteer information? Depends. If you could avert a disaster by saying or doing something, would you? Can this be defined as STO? In the above incident, the poor cabbie wasn't gettin' paid, except for the cab fair. So he wasn't profiting...and perhaps, had the warning been heeded...
On the other hand, if he was just spouting off, I don't think he could have CREATED the pregnancy. Most people do not have that kind of power. If he did, I don't think he would be driving a cab...

Psychics don't decide your future any more than a road map decides which way you will travel. They can tell ya about the highways and byways ya might see along the way, if you take a certain route, tho...

Also, like any other profession, there are good ones and bad ones. Caveat Emptor, and all that.

 

[dant]

What is hard is:

1) Someone tells you to watch out when you step off the curb at x and y crossing. Some time
goes by and you 'happened to be at x and y crossing', somehow remembers the warning and
almost stepping forward, a truck zooms by? What if the 'timing' of this event was 2 days ago?
What if it was 1 hour ago? 15 minutes? 5 minutes? The psyche of the mind is very interesting
indeed and you wonder: "Was s/he psychic?" Because you were given 'forewarning', FW was
not abridged or was it?

2) Same above except the warning was received in a dream.
3) Same as above except information was obtained from 'channeling'

As for (1), perhaps it depends on who gives this information and how it
was given, received, or paid for?

There are many examples and not everything is black and white, but also
gray in between.

The use of the word: 'Psychic' is very confusing indeed. OSIT.

 

[seek10]

Sylvia brown is in news after the latest corona virus scare

This book predicted 2020 coronavirus outbreak 12 years ago. Trending now

Sylvia Browne Book: A book predicted 2020 coronavirus outbreak 12 years ago.

www.indiatoday.in

"In around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and bronchial tubes resisting all known treatments," the excerpt read.

Doesn't it sound very similar to this novel coronavirus and the disease, Covid-19? Be it the nature of the illness, the year mentioned or the part about the resistance to treatments - the similarity with coronavirus is uncanny.

The excerpt also mentioned that the illness will vanish soon after its arrival. "Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrives, attack again ten years later and then disappear completely."