ArdVan
Jedi
Well this reminded me of Michael Jackson in Japan. He didn't do anything except being there, and people were willing to pay $3'500 for a dinner.ScioAgapeOmnis said:
Any discussions on Sylvia Browne?
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dant
The Living Force
What is not clear is that if the person knows full well that it is a trap, or
*should have known* it was a trap, and yet, WHY DO THEY DO IT ANYWAY?
If knowing what I know now lets say, about Ms Browne, Michael Jackson,
... and choose to spend my money on them anyway - does this make me
a victim, a "willing victim", or just plain ignorant because I have not
personally experienced it and choose to learn that "lesson" anyway?
It is like the parent telling the child: "DO NOT TOUCH THE STOVE!".
Child: "Whhhhhyyyyy?". Parent: "BECAUSE IT WILL BURN YOU!".
Child: "Okkkkkkkaaaaayyy." Parents walk away, and the child
reaches up, touches the stove, and burns herself anyway.
It also reminds me of a joke: "Why did the man keep on hitting his thumb
with the hammer?" The Punchline: "Because it felt so good when he quit!"
Joke aside, WHO IS THE VICTIM and WHO IS THE "WILLING VICTIM"? Outsider
may never understand and KNOW the full reason for such absurd situations
but can only speculate or guess?
I understand full well, of deception and of duping victims - especially upon
those who are grieving, those who have "sacred cows", and so on - and I truly
feel for them, but I also understand that perhaps it is lessons for themselves and
they must learn for themselves. But thinking about this - the fact they have such
hangups, they have chosen to take the "blue pill" or the "red pill" and did so of
their own volition. Perhaps those on the outside, tends to place their own subjectivity
on what they think for themselves of what the situation might be and yet they really
do not understand what the bigger picture might be? Isn't that what the C's have pointed
out, that we ourselves are STS and are of this 3D existence?
The following might be related, but perhaps not - but I wanted to write
this this story as I found it VERY strange - synchroncity?
Just last night, interestingly, my mother in-law related to me the following story regarding
my niece: "Violet(not real name) has been visiting her boyfriend in prison for quite some
time now, and she has chanced to become friends with a lady, who works for the prison.
Because visitors are required to wait for some time before being allowed to enter into the
controlled visiting area, the lady had noticed that Violet had this quirk of looking around
herself often, and during conversations. The lady had asked Violet why she had the habit
of doing this. In replying, Violet said that she felt that she was being followed. The lady
replied: "It is your dead uncle". Then she said: "His name is David". Surprising her, Violet
replied: "Why! Yes, that is true!" Then lady said: "The other one is your Aunt, gave her
the name, and then explained that both her Aunt and Uncle wanted to leave her a message
for her mother." As it is, both her mother and boyfriend are both in the same prison. The
message was basically this: "They were not happy for her choices in life, and she should
make better choices." This lady was not Ms Browne, she never claimed to be a Psychic,
nor did she charge anything for this "reading".
All of this is "voodoo" for me as there are more mysteries "out there" than I can handle
so all I can do is to leave it as it is, for what it is and try to handle things one step at a time.
*should have known* it was a trap, and yet, WHY DO THEY DO IT ANYWAY?
If knowing what I know now lets say, about Ms Browne, Michael Jackson,
... and choose to spend my money on them anyway - does this make me
a victim, a "willing victim", or just plain ignorant because I have not
personally experienced it and choose to learn that "lesson" anyway?
It is like the parent telling the child: "DO NOT TOUCH THE STOVE!".
Child: "Whhhhhyyyyy?". Parent: "BECAUSE IT WILL BURN YOU!".
Child: "Okkkkkkkaaaaayyy." Parents walk away, and the child
reaches up, touches the stove, and burns herself anyway.
It also reminds me of a joke: "Why did the man keep on hitting his thumb
with the hammer?" The Punchline: "Because it felt so good when he quit!"
Joke aside, WHO IS THE VICTIM and WHO IS THE "WILLING VICTIM"? Outsider
may never understand and KNOW the full reason for such absurd situations
but can only speculate or guess?
I understand full well, of deception and of duping victims - especially upon
those who are grieving, those who have "sacred cows", and so on - and I truly
feel for them, but I also understand that perhaps it is lessons for themselves and
they must learn for themselves. But thinking about this - the fact they have such
hangups, they have chosen to take the "blue pill" or the "red pill" and did so of
their own volition. Perhaps those on the outside, tends to place their own subjectivity
on what they think for themselves of what the situation might be and yet they really
do not understand what the bigger picture might be? Isn't that what the C's have pointed
out, that we ourselves are STS and are of this 3D existence?
The following might be related, but perhaps not - but I wanted to write
this this story as I found it VERY strange - synchroncity?
Just last night, interestingly, my mother in-law related to me the following story regarding
my niece: "Violet(not real name) has been visiting her boyfriend in prison for quite some
time now, and she has chanced to become friends with a lady, who works for the prison.
Because visitors are required to wait for some time before being allowed to enter into the
controlled visiting area, the lady had noticed that Violet had this quirk of looking around
herself often, and during conversations. The lady had asked Violet why she had the habit
of doing this. In replying, Violet said that she felt that she was being followed. The lady
replied: "It is your dead uncle". Then she said: "His name is David". Surprising her, Violet
replied: "Why! Yes, that is true!" Then lady said: "The other one is your Aunt, gave her
the name, and then explained that both her Aunt and Uncle wanted to leave her a message
for her mother." As it is, both her mother and boyfriend are both in the same prison. The
message was basically this: "They were not happy for her choices in life, and she should
make better choices." This lady was not Ms Browne, she never claimed to be a Psychic,
nor did she charge anything for this "reading".
All of this is "voodoo" for me as there are more mysteries "out there" than I can handle
so all I can do is to leave it as it is, for what it is and try to handle things one step at a time.
I agree that it's lessons, but psychopaths also provide some of the best and powerful lessons for us - but it doesn't change the fact that they're psychopaths. People shake hands of their idols for money because they are obsessed, they are fully in mechanical-emotional state, their perspective of reality has been completely distorted. But some people are all too happy to maintain this obsession and distortion in others, because they benefit from it. And they're not just "giving the people what they want" as they like to so ponerologically state, they first manipulate the people into wanting it in the first place, or take advantage of a situation where a person is not thinking clearly as it is. Normal people don't know what they want - there is no "I", so they are easy to manipulate to think they want this or that, or the opposite, dislike this or that.dant said:
Hi dant -- yes, I was thinking of the scam factor, mainly, and the fact that so many psychics claim to be able to do what Browne does regarding contacting the deceased, for a lot less money, so she seems to be charging a big premium because she's famous, or because she believes subjectively that she's the most talented (it would have to be pretty subjective -- no way to tell if she could do a better job at reaching dead relative X than someone else.
Anyway, you're certainly right that people can spend their money however they want.
Anyway, you're certainly right that people can spend their money however they want.
Why on earth would you consult a psychic? What could a psychic possibly tell you for 15 Euros that you could not learn yourself for free? You joined this forum at the beginning of last year- if you learn anything from this site its that such crutches are not only not necessary, they are harmful.Monkee said:
No need to be so "scolding" Kesdjan :) Sleeping people do this kind of things, especially when they are lost and confused, and have nothing to hold on to. Of course there are those who take advandage of the situation, like this Brown lady, but when you sleep, you don't see. By being in this forum's company and do the readings suggested, is less likely that one will go after psychics. And 15 euros monkee paid is nothing compared to what i paid to a "fancy" psychic in central park west, to help me clean the black aura around my body. Not that i had the money to spare either. And the black aura might indeed be around my body, but i am pretty much sure that said lady could not clean it out ;)Kesdjan said:
When I think back on some of the things I did, attended, and almost believed in during my lengthy search as to why the world (and myself) was so messed up...Monkee's paying 15 Euros for a psychic seems rather mild.
Now, I personally never did EST, Scientology, Satanism, etc., or consulted a Psychic Hotline, but I did delve into some New Age stuff...and then Christianity...with unwary abandon. Like the child who had to discover if the stove was really hot, I got burned (mentally and monetarily) enough to make me wary...but not enough to make me stop testing or give up and go back to sleep for fear of being burned.
Most of us who joined this forum have been...and still are...searching for answers. There is a wealth of information and an amazing network of dedicated researchers to draw from within the QFG sites. For those of us who joined within the past year, it takes time to plow through the material to get an idea of what's there.
As for Sylvia Browne, I watched her once on TV and got a really bad feeling about her style. Just because the C's say her abilities are okay, doesn't mean that she is heading toward the light...or uses her gift as a genuine service to others. The fruit looks a bit too artificial on the outside, so I wouldn't want to take a bite of it. But then, that's how I see...or sense...it.
The way this world control system is set up, folks need money to survive. Most of us don't mind paying what we can to support certain individuals or groups whose work we are going to read or whose services we may be in need of. Free choice and all. Some folks who provide education, a service, or just plain entertainment, can take it to the extreme when they realize how much money (and energy transference) can be had from desperate people who are looking for quick, easy answers or a long-term fantasy that blocks the "ugly" truth from them. I have yet to see this attitude with the QFG outfit.
Now, I personally never did EST, Scientology, Satanism, etc., or consulted a Psychic Hotline, but I did delve into some New Age stuff...and then Christianity...with unwary abandon. Like the child who had to discover if the stove was really hot, I got burned (mentally and monetarily) enough to make me wary...but not enough to make me stop testing or give up and go back to sleep for fear of being burned.
Most of us who joined this forum have been...and still are...searching for answers. There is a wealth of information and an amazing network of dedicated researchers to draw from within the QFG sites. For those of us who joined within the past year, it takes time to plow through the material to get an idea of what's there.
As for Sylvia Browne, I watched her once on TV and got a really bad feeling about her style. Just because the C's say her abilities are okay, doesn't mean that she is heading toward the light...or uses her gift as a genuine service to others. The fruit looks a bit too artificial on the outside, so I wouldn't want to take a bite of it. But then, that's how I see...or sense...it.
The way this world control system is set up, folks need money to survive. Most of us don't mind paying what we can to support certain individuals or groups whose work we are going to read or whose services we may be in need of. Free choice and all. Some folks who provide education, a service, or just plain entertainment, can take it to the extreme when they realize how much money (and energy transference) can be had from desperate people who are looking for quick, easy answers or a long-term fantasy that blocks the "ugly" truth from them. I have yet to see this attitude with the QFG outfit.
Miss Isness
Jedi Master
After having bought an amethyst ring that fit on my wedding ring finger, and declaring that I was marrying myself, I met a psychic at a street fair in San Francisco that said I needed some serious aura cleaning.
She wanted $60.00, but I refused her the money, instead offering the ring, which she refused. saying, 'You know I can't take that!' She told me that I would have problems after moving to New York, but that I would receive a lump sum of money before the end of the year, which would get me through.
As it turned out, I did have problems in New York because the people that had hired me as a nanny decided to give the job to a family member instead. I did receive a lump sum (from UPS because they had damaged some artwork I had shipped) towards the end of the year, which just barely got me through until I got a steady job.
After that, I went to see a psychic in New York, who declared, 'You saw another psychic, and she told you that you needed help. Why didn't you tell her to do it?' She also told me that my current husband was my soulmate, hmmm. The amethyst ring ended up being my wedding ring. That was over 10 years ago. If I had known then what I know now, things might have turned out a lot differently......
Exactly!
Yes, i am one of those. I tried many New Age stuff but finally i found, one year ago, the QFG sites. =DNormaRegula said:
Still reading and learning and with that knowledge, i am working on me. And i have a lot of reading in front of me and a lot of work. ;)
dant
The Living Force
I guess this might be off topic - since it centers on Ms Browne, but
then again it is related to Psychics so here goes....
Psychics, who/what are they really? Does anyone REALLY KNOW?
The C's seems to have left this subject "open", or did they?
This thread centers on Ms Browne, that she calls herself a psychic,
judgment is based on the accuracy her "predictions" or "readings"
which not 100% accurate. Also factored in, is who she is,
her past and present behavior (i.e. her actions of record, facts),
etc., and then one concludes she is a "fake"? So then these facts
and other criteria is what is used to seperate a fake from the real
psychic?
From: _http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Frd&defl=en&q=define:PSYCHIC&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
The dictionary definition of a psychic says:
1) This widely used word, which can be an adjective or a noun, derives from the Greek psyche, meaning 'mind' or 'soul'. As an adjective, psychic is often used synonymously with paranormal. Any event that appears to challenge conventional assumptions regarding the limits of possibility is designated a psychic phenomenon. Paranormal. Literally, "beside the normal," a paranormal event is one that violates the boundaries of space and time, or cause and effect, as they are normally understood. ...
2) Having extra-sensory mental powers, as in: A person would have to be psychic to predict the outcome of that race!
3) Popular term used to denote a person who regularly uses, or who appears to be especially gifted with, psi abilities.
...
But as far as I can tell - there is no criteria from which we can label *anyone* as a psychic!?!? It is OPEN?
Has this subject of Psychics been covered in real depths?
I am writing this because Miss Isness wrote of her story of a "psychic"
and concluded by saying, "it turned out to be true", after "admonishing"
Kesdjan for questioning Monkee's judgment of even making that choice
of seeking out a psychic and so this brings up the question I am asking
this forum! It seems from Kesdjan point of view that Psychics are to be
"written off" completely, and others in this thread are not stating it either
way and so it seems so far, it remains an open subject?
Hmm....
then again it is related to Psychics so here goes....
Psychics, who/what are they really? Does anyone REALLY KNOW?
The C's seems to have left this subject "open", or did they?
This thread centers on Ms Browne, that she calls herself a psychic,
judgment is based on the accuracy her "predictions" or "readings"
which not 100% accurate. Also factored in, is who she is,
her past and present behavior (i.e. her actions of record, facts),
etc., and then one concludes she is a "fake"? So then these facts
and other criteria is what is used to seperate a fake from the real
psychic?
From: _http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Frd&defl=en&q=define:PSYCHIC&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
The dictionary definition of a psychic says:
1) This widely used word, which can be an adjective or a noun, derives from the Greek psyche, meaning 'mind' or 'soul'. As an adjective, psychic is often used synonymously with paranormal. Any event that appears to challenge conventional assumptions regarding the limits of possibility is designated a psychic phenomenon. Paranormal. Literally, "beside the normal," a paranormal event is one that violates the boundaries of space and time, or cause and effect, as they are normally understood. ...
2) Having extra-sensory mental powers, as in: A person would have to be psychic to predict the outcome of that race!
3) Popular term used to denote a person who regularly uses, or who appears to be especially gifted with, psi abilities.
...
But as far as I can tell - there is no criteria from which we can label *anyone* as a psychic!?!? It is OPEN?
Has this subject of Psychics been covered in real depths?
I am writing this because Miss Isness wrote of her story of a "psychic"
and concluded by saying, "it turned out to be true", after "admonishing"
Kesdjan for questioning Monkee's judgment of even making that choice
of seeking out a psychic and so this brings up the question I am asking
this forum! It seems from Kesdjan point of view that Psychics are to be
"written off" completely, and others in this thread are not stating it either
way and so it seems so far, it remains an open subject?
Hmm....
Well they said,NormaRegula said:
Q: How do you feel about her psychic abilities?
A: Okay.
And that's kinda vague. That doesn't even indicate if she has psychic abilities - the C's have a tendency to be as vague or as specific as the question that is asked, and I think that question/answer doesn't really indicate whether those abilities actually exist. If she had no psychic abilities or very very small psychic abilities the C's could still feel "okay" about them one way or another, osit.
Miss Isness
Jedi Master
It wasn't my intention to admonish kesdjan, by quoting Irini. I'm afraid I didn't do a very good job of selecting the text to quote, and tying it in with my story. My point is that psychics can give correct information, and yet it may be mixed with lies or communicated in a way that is misleading. I once heard that a half truth is a whole lie, and I agree, and it's difficult to tell when a psychic tells you one if you can't 'see' for yourself. In my case, I experienced a series of events that seemed to confirm I had found my soulmate, but did I really, or was it just cosmic cointelpro?
dant
The Living Force
Miss Isness, Please do not think that I was trying to put you on the
defensive. I was simply trying to stitch together the flow of events leading
to the point that the word 'Psychics' in general is an open subject. I put
the quotes around that word "admonishing" for this reason. :) I realize
now that you were quoting Irini and I missed that and for this I am sorry.
I am still curious though, regarding Psychics in general and what to make
of it. I guess it remains open as it were before. ;)
defensive. I was simply trying to stitch together the flow of events leading
to the point that the word 'Psychics' in general is an open subject. I put
the quotes around that word "admonishing" for this reason. :) I realize
now that you were quoting Irini and I missed that and for this I am sorry.
I am still curious though, regarding Psychics in general and what to make
of it. I guess it remains open as it were before. ;)
monkee
Jedi
What is wrong with going to a psychic? I have met psychic who could diagnose my health condition in minutes. Took several specialists a few years just to diagnose me.Kesdjan said:
Harm is everywhere. There can be distortion everywhere as with channeled material. Physician can do harm too in my own personal experience. Consulting psychologist can also turn wrong.
We don't have to believe anything until it is confirmed.
