Anyone else experiencing this?

[whitecoast]

That's different. There's many accounts of people experiencing 'woo'-like things as a result of pursuing deeper answers about ourselves and our world. What seems to happen, and I could be wrong, is as a result of connecting with certain fields of knowledge, our awareness begins to grow and that can open some people up to various psychic phenomena. It's extrasensory, but still at a lower level. If we continue on, I think those things will probably either pass or at least change in nature. When people get overly involved in seeking spiritual experiences or psychic phenomena, it is very easy to just end up playing in the mud. Some people have a natural psychic ability, but that ability can more of a curse for them if there is little development of the self and growth in awareness about our world.

I think these are good points. Shorty (almost want to call you Shawty) you said this started in early 2021. Would you be able to describe 2020 for you, and some of the types of exercises and practices and reading and so on you've been doing? Maybe that can provide some insight into the onset of the experiences. Was it a goal of yours to develop some ability to see fields and vacuum information from people around you, etc?

This forum is a really good place to learn about many of the complex phenomena of the unseen world and the risks it poses to people who venture into it. Another good book I would recommend is Masquerade of Angels by Karla Turner, which can also show what's "out there," and how what can pass for intuition is in fact a form of subversion. Maybe your intution will say it's worth it or maybe it isn't, but if you set intutition aside and use logic, wouldn't someone who is invested in controlling you not want you to look into the various ways you could be controlled, and so armed against abuses? Just an invitation from an open-minded man to another. The true intutition and gift of sight that serves the highest purpose would never oppose that kind of investigation; the C's sure didn't when Laura was probing them and trying to expose them as being figments of her imagination or some ne'erdowell agency.

 

[Candice]

I would like to add that one of my “insights” this last year was how my frequency behaves as a pendulum. Activities, thoughts, emotions, reactions, interactions can all cause the pendulum to move either into the restrictive/negative mode or into the expansive/positive mode.

The extreme end of the “restrictive” mode can cause depression etc. and the extreme end of the “expansive” mode can be too many strange and overwhelming experiences. I prefer to keep it on the positive side but with moderation. I lack sufficient awareness to navigate in that extreme level of “expansiveness”, I often crash leading straight back into a swing into the opposite direction.

So if I read something and I “feel” too high. I know I must do something to ground myself. Yes, applying a woo term to counter too much woo sounds ridiculous. But it works.

For me I can ground by doing something physical, immersing myself in nature, usually swimming is the best for me. Doing something creative or reading a book not on the recommended list. Eating some rice or root vegetables. Listening to Gregorian chants. Writing in my journal. Rock hounding (my favorite new hobby). For my partner it’s making music and gardening. Everyone is different.

I agree it’s a danger to “seek out” spiritual/energetic/psychic experiences. Especially if you lack awareness, knowledge, experience or a network. One needs to do the inner Work and for me the crucial number one realization is that I’m a machine. I’m not in control of myself or what I perceive to be my thoughts, which means that my intuition and perceptions could be from STS sources, this a STS reality after all. So one needs to question all “strange” or “psychic” experiences. Never fall for believing one is “special”.

However for some things it doesn’t matter how much I “ground” myself there are perceptions that won’t “go away”. For one, I often understand energetic interactions through impressions. I don’t see energy with the physical eye but with some other sense that translates to “impressions” that I find difficult to explain except using analogies. I have taught myself to suppress that “sense” as I don’t know if I can trust it, could be my overactive imagination, or something nefarious. However this last year as in mid 2020 till now it’s becoming more observable. There is a sense that reality has become more malleable. The woo crowd would say an increased ability to “manifest” which I’ve always been very skeptical of. I do not want to participate in “manifesting” anything but I sense if one wanted to, one could.

Anyways I would like to give thanks for this thread as maybe more of us can share our experiences.

 

[Shorty]

The Work here doesn't look to develop paranormal, psychic, or intuitive abilities. The pursuit is knowledge and understand through a wide range of topics that also have specific focuses. Intuition is pretty easily manipulated by both internal and external influences. Are you reading or have you read The Wave? If not, it is a good place to start as it is foundational to many concepts and efforts on the forum. Darkness Over Tibet is also a good book that explores the pitfalls and traps involved seeking spiritual experiences.

And who says the work here is all that the work encompasses? Seeking spiritual experiences? There aren’t many people that I’ve met that aren’t seeking I agree that external influences can affect your emotions, which affects your decisions and perceptions of your intuition. But, developing a balance between true knowledge, true feelings and true intuition seems to be a much better compass to navigate.

I have not endeavored to develop “psychic” or “paranormal” abilities. They just seem to be happening.
I have started the Wave series and am on book 4, currently. I’ve also read the Secret History of the World.

I‘ll add Darkness over Tibet to my list! Thank you for the recommendation!

 

[Shorty]

I have been noticing what I call shifts aswell, for me it's normally when I'm able to zoom out or pop out of a thought/convo loop with another person. Luckily I have a friend who notices it aswell so we both call it when they occur, I call it getting sent to the kids table when it happens downward.

Seeing "energy" or something is starting to happen, started with getting relaxed than what seemed like faint rain/strands falling?/moving.

With certain friends once you get past the surface level stuff it's like talking to yourself or the same feel when I read certain parts of the wave, the brain starts working like a receiver and really good conversation starts flowing than you identify with your self and say something random like "I wouldn't mind buying a kayak" and bam.. back at the kids table.. that's when the shift hits and the masks go back on until you get past the surface level again.


You seem to be doing fine, just keep putting your puzzle together brother.

I’ve noticed that when you tend to operate more out of your peripheral vision, you notice a lot more of what’s happening around you.

 

[Shorty]

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I would like to add that one of my “insights” this last year was how my frequency behaves as a pendulum. Activities, thoughts, emotions, reactions, interactions can all cause the pendulum to move either into the restrictive/negative mode or into the expansive/positive mode.

The extreme end of the “restrictive” mode can cause depression etc. and the extreme end of the “expansive” mode can be too many strange and overwhelming experiences. I prefer to keep it on the positive side but with moderation. I lack sufficient awareness to navigate in that extreme level of “expansiveness”, I often crash leading straight back into a swing into the opposite direction.

So if I read something and I “feel” too high. I know I must do something to ground myself. Yes, applying a woo term to counter too much woo sounds ridiculous. But it works.

For me I can ground by doing something physical, immersing myself in nature, usually swimming is the best for me. Doing something creative or reading a book not on the recommended list. Eating some rice or root vegetables. Listening to Gregorian chants. Writing in my journal. Rock hounding (my favorite new hobby). For my partner it’s making music and gardening. Everyone is different.

I agree it’s a danger to “seek out” spiritual/energetic/psychic experiences. Especially if you lack awareness, knowledge, experience or a network. One needs to do the inner Work and for me the crucial number one realization is that I’m a machine. I’m not in control of myself or what I perceive to be my thoughts, which means that my intuition and perceptions could be from STS sources, this a STS reality after all. So one needs to question all “strange” or “psychic” experiences. Never fall for believing one is “special”.

However for some things it doesn’t matter how much I “ground” myself there are perceptions that won’t “go away”. For one, I often understand energetic interactions through impressions. I don’t see energy with the physical eye but with some other sense that translates to “impressions” that I find difficult to explain except using analogies. I have taught myself to suppress that “sense” as I don’t know if I can trust it, could be my overactive imagination, or something nefarious. However this last year as in mid 2020 till now it’s becoming more observable. There is a sense that reality has become more malleable. The woo crowd would say an increased ability to “manifest” which I’ve always been very skeptical of. I do not want to participate in “manifesting” anything but I sense if one wanted to, one could.

Anyways I would like to give thanks for this thread as maybe more of us can share our experiences.

Aren’t we manifesting all the time with our choices?

 

[Candice]

Aren’t we manifesting all the time with our choices?

Maybe.

I will share a related “insight” from last week that I wrote down in my journal.

When we apply knowledge in a conscious way to make a choice this is how we use free will to “create”. True freedom lies in being in full control of one’s machine. Knowing when to apply acquired knowledge in a way to navigate through informed choice. In this way we “create” our reality. If we are not in control of our machine (most of us) this means our choices and free will may be used by others with “levers” in the machine, the predators mind uses trauma to create programs that run unknown to us. If we are making choices based on programs, then we can be “creating” a reality that our true selves don’t want.

You could substitute “create” for “manifest”.

If “they” can hijack your machine, they can hijack what you “manifest”.

However when I read it back to myself it reads like word salad. Which is why I just write it down in my journal and I don’t act upon it as if it’s fact or true. It’s impossible to know that. Though I will endeavor to share more with the forum to get feedback.

 

[Shorty]

I think these are good points. Shorty (almost want to call you Shawty) you said this started in early 2021. Would you be able to describe 2020 for you, and some of the types of exercises and practices and reading and so on you've been doing? Maybe that can provide some insight into the onset of the experiences. Was it a goal of yours to develop some ability to see fields and vacuum information from people around you, etc?

This forum is a really good place to learn about many of the complex phenomena of the unseen world and the risks it poses to people who venture into it. Another good book I would recommend is Masquerade of Angels by Karla Turner, which can also show what's "out there," and how what can pass for intuition is in fact a form of subversion. Maybe your intution will say it's worth it or maybe it isn't, but if you set intutition aside and use logic, wouldn't someone who is invested in controlling you not want you to look into the various ways you could be controlled, and so armed against abuses? Just an invitation from an open-minded man to another. The true intutition and gift of sight that serves the highest purpose would never oppose that kind of investigation; the C's sure didn't when Laura was probing them and trying to expose them as being figments of her imagination or some ne'erdowell agency.

Thank you for the book recommendation! I’ll add it to the list.

I can’t really talk about the books I’ve read as I read often and a plethora of topics. The list would be very long. I can say that I had fallen in to the “Twin Flame” program in 2018. Something jumped in me when I met her. Almost like a defibrillator was used on my soul. Looking at things objectively, and her actions I am not ruling out the possibility that she was introduced into my life at a time of “awakening” to deter me.

As I’ve moved in to these shifts, direct experience has become very dear to me. That has spoke volumes to me above anything else. All I can really say is that, while I’ve always been a seeker of (I used to say Truth, but now I say Reality) I was not seeking to explore unseen realms. I’ve worked very hard to sharpen my “sword of discernment” and continue to do so. I’m very in tune with my body as well as my emotional self. I can tell when emotions well up naturally and when they are “forced” on to me. If it is Reality, then it should hold up to scrutiny. If it is “Truth” then one should know that it is merely a reflection of reality. Something seen that is viewed and interpreted and ultimately conveyed with words that never truly capture the full scope of things. At the end of the day, when you view reality you are trying to interpret something that isn’t human in humanistic terms.

As far as the C’s are concerned. Even they were subjected to interpret things based off the will and beliefs of the people in attendance. I’ve read enough of the transcripts/books to see that they admittedly did not give 100% accuracy due to those that were in attendance.

As with all things you must use discernment, dispel your beliefs and leave yourself open to further expansion.

And a lot of people call me Shawty, so feel free! (I’m 6’5

 

[Shorty]

Maybe.

I will share a related “insight” from last week that I wrote down in my journal.

When we apply knowledge in a conscious way to make a choice this is how we use free will to “create”. True freedom lies in being in full control of one’s machine. Knowing when to apply aquired knowledge in a way to navigate through informed choice. In this way we “create” our reality. If we are not in control of our machine (most of us) this means our choices and free will may be used by others with “levers” in the machine, the predators mind uses trauma to create programs that run unknown to us. If we are making choices based on programs, then we can be “creating” a reality that our true selves don’t want.

You could substitute “create” for “manifest”.

If “they” can hijack your machine, they can hijack what you “manifest”.

However when I read it back to myself it reads like word salad. Which is why I just write it down in my journal and I don’t act upon it as if it’s fact or true. It’s impossible to know that. Though I will endeavor to share more with the forum to get feedback.

I get it. The choice is the important thing. And only through understanding can you really see the choices in front of you. Every time you make a choice, you collapse timelines. Why do you think so much effort is expended on limiting our perceptions of choice. What does money control? Choices. And that’s why it rules a large majority of lives.

Have you ever made a true choice? Not wishful thinking. But, one that was made with every fiber of your being? One where your “back was against a wall?” And you just made the choice? And then it just unfolded naturally in ways that you couldn’t have foreseen? That’s the power of choice. That’s the power of knowledge to understand the true choices that are available to you. The control system is designed to limit your perception of choices.

Be careful with your word choices. In a sea of infinite possibilities, nothing is impossible.

 

[Candice]

What seems to happen, and I could be wrong, is as a result of connecting with certain fields of knowledge, our awareness begins to grow and that can open some people up to various psychic phenomena. It's extrasensory, but still at a lower level. If we continue on, I think those things will probably either pass or at least change in nature.

I was curious. Have you yourself experienced “psychic phenomena” due to reading the books in the recommended list? Or maybe due to some other trigger? If so what do you recommend to do to counter those experiences?

Also why do you believe these “extra sensory” experiences will “pass or change in nature” if we continue on? Continue on to where or what?

I apologize if that’s too many questions but it’s not 100% clear what you mean.

 

[Nienna]

This seems like a good place to post this again.

From The Sufi Path of Knowledge by Chittick, Ibn al ‘Arabi says:

Nowadays most people interested in the spirituality of the East desire the "experience," though they may call what they are after "intimate communion with God." Those familiar with the standards and norms of spiritual experience set down by disciplined paths are usually appalled at the way Westerners seize upon any apparition from the domain outside of normal consciousness as a manifestation of the "spiritual." In fact there are innumerable realms in the unseen world, some of them far more dangerous than the worst jungles of the visible world. No person familiar with the teachings of Sufism would dare lay himself open to such forces...

And, then, there is this that Laura discusses in The Wave I speaking of the experience of a woman who is talking about The Beautiful Lady:

She puts the robe around me and then my mind separates from my body. I can look back and see it lying there. Then we go up through the ceiling, pop out the roof, and fly into space. One night the Lady took me back in time. We were in a foreign country and the people wore old-fashioned clothes. The Lady took on the appearance of a beautiful woman in a blue robe. She performed miracles for them..."

Suddenly Ann's face turned ashen and she asked to be excused. Her scream of pain was heard from the bathroom where she had taken refuge. When Ann came out, she was sniffling and holding her abdomen. The Lady had savagely attacked her for revealing that down through history, creatures like the Lady have taken the form of saints. They then use the gullibility of humankind to misguide and misinform people so that they believe they are seeing miracles performed. Ann begged the newsman to delete that portion of the interview." (Osborn, 1982)

I think that it is very important to know about the forces that inhabit other dimensions and densities because they are not all wonderful spiritual beings that want to guide and help us. Knowledge protects and ignorance endangers could not be more applicable than in cases like these. There are beings that can attach themselves onto us and make us think whatever they want us to think so that we do whatever it is that will benefit them.

Laura discusses these things, and much more, in her The Wave series.

Of course, as always, it's up to each person what they decide to do. However, we do like to give the knowledge that will protect us from making the wrong choices.

fwiw

 

[whitecoast]

I was curious. Have you yourself experienced “psychic phenomena” due to reading the books in the recommended list? Or maybe due to some other trigger? If so what do you recommend to do to counter those experiences?

Also why do you believe these “extra sensory” experiences will “pass or change in nature” if we continue on? Continue on to where or what?

I apologize if that’s too many questions but it’s not 100% clear what you mean.

Sometimes strange experiences can occur as a result of something in our own energy field being thrown off by some change we are going through as a result of a natural process in the evolution of our knowledge and being (eg, as detailed in The Wave Laura began experiencing a lot of poltergeist phenomena after a certain transformational experience, but it settled out after more life changes were made). Simple changes in the cosmic environment itself, possibly of an electrical nature, will also likely affect our own interactions with the information field via our DNA and proteins and may increase the incidence of these types of phenomena in theory.

As far as the C’s are concerned. Even they were subjected to interpret things based off the will and beliefs of the people in attendance. I’ve read enough of the transcripts/books to see that they admittedly did not give 100% accuracy due to those that were in attendance.

Totally, so providing one gains knowledge of the phenomena, networks about it with others to verify whether it's "for real" and not literally some maladaptive hallucination, and simply doesn't become enamored with whatever you're experiencing, then there's less chance of you becoming bamboozled. I think it's a good sign that it came about without any sort of specific attempts to "bring it about," since 99% of the time people who pursue such things do it for the wrong reasons, or without respect to the real life lessons that are sitting in front of them (ironically leading them deeper into illusion and to sleep). It's good to observe the phenomena impartially and try and interrogate it with openess but also with a bit of an attitude and healthy skepticism. If it's for real, it will, as Laura said in the Knowledge and Being video series "have a way of revealing itself to you" in spite of any sort of critical challenges you test it with.

I can say that I had fallen in to the “Twin Flame” program in 2018. Something jumped in me when I met her. Almost like a defibrillator was used on my soul. Looking at things objectively, and her actions I am not ruling out the possibility that she was introduced into my life at a time of “awakening” to deter me.

Yeah, that's a very common phenomenon. Also over and above the control system, our own lessons I think introduce certain people in our lives to teach us about ourselves, and such people who may appear as obstacles are really there to help us learn to commit to our values. So even as detractors there is a deeper love going on there.

 

[Renaissance]

And who says the work here is all that the work encompasses?

I didn't say it did and didn't see anyone make such statements either. It's also a strange thing to say given how continually expansive the material here is. I'd suggest looking around the forum a bit more. There's also a lot of disinformation and nonsense out there that Laura and this network has waded through to find what is useful and what is distracting.

Seeking spiritual experiences? There aren’t many people that I’ve met that aren’t seeking

My point was that seeking so called 'spiritual experiences' is different than seeking answers and truth. There are very few people who want to know the truth about ourselves, others, and the world. That's because, more often than not, it's downright uncomfortable.

I agree that external influences can affect your emotions, which affects your decisions and perceptions of your intuition. But, developing a balance between true knowledge, true feelings and true intuition seems to be a much better compass to navigate.

Not just external influences but internal ones too. The subconscious has plenty of self serving desires, biases and drives that makes a mess of gaining knowledge, creating reactions based on seemingly positive or negative feelings, and on intuition. This is where the role of the network is very useful for navigating these things.

 

[Joe]

Hi Shorty,

Earlier this year I began experiencing what I have come to call “shifts.” These shifts are composed off what I call “downloads.” Mass amounts of compacted information. Some I’m able to unpack quickly, others take time. This has led to a massive shift in how I perceive and interact with everything.

can you give an example of what you learned from one of these "downloads" of compacted information? How has the shift in your perception of and interaction with everything translated into actual change in your daily life?

I’ve also experienced a continuing growth change in my sight. It’s hard to explain, but it’s like I’m starting to make sense of things that were outside of my limited sense of perception.

can you give an example of something that you made sense of that you couldn't before?

Sometimes, it’s just seeing “energy” floating/mixing/puddling/shooting. Other times I see “distortions” in the air around me. Sometimes, it takes bodily shape, other times no discernible shape at all.

Does seeing "energy" in this way benefit you? If so, how?

There are other things that have happened like OBE, increased sense of intention reception (somewhat like telepathy, but not actual words), flashes of images and scenes from people’s life around me.

OBEs can be fairly common for some people. When you get these "telepathic" flashes of images and scenes from people's lives around you, are these aspects of people's lives that you know about already? Or are they aspects of their lives that you did not know before? If the latter, did you corroborate that they were accurate?

I’ve also had interesting scenarios where seemingly “intuitive” people have sought me out when I’m out and about.

What do you mean by "seemingly intuitive people"? How do they "seek you out"?

I’ve also developed an insatiable thirst for knowledge. Utilizing my intuition on what to read vs what to avoid. Also, picking out and discerning truths from interpretations from outright lies.

A thirst for knowledge is good. Most people use their "intuition" at times to decide what to do. Being able to discern truth from lies is also good, but it usually comes as a result of lots of effort at gathering knowledge and critical thinking.

 

[Renaissance]

I was curious. Have you yourself experienced “psychic phenomena” due to reading the books in the recommended list? Or maybe due to some other trigger? If so what do you recommend to do to counter those experiences?

Also why do you believe these “extra sensory” experiences will “pass or change in nature” if we continue on? Continue on to where or what?

I've experienced some things while reading the Wave and things seem to open up a bit more when reading about parapsychology and similar material. And I'm not saying psychic experiences or ability are bad. Some people are naturally more psychic, some are more compassionate, some insightful, etc. Everyone has different abilities, but I think a good thing to take from this is that even if psychic ability or experiences might come about during periods of growth, they in themselves aren't a measure of growth. They can also come about from physical, mental or emotional trauma. I think the disintegration of the personality comes into play here, whether positive or negative. Various stresses, including seeing the nature of ourselves and the world, seem to loosen the structure of our personality and our protective boundaries. The nature of disassociation also seems to play a role in this too. There's case studies of people experiencing various injuries, near death experiences, etc. and waking up with psychic abilities. There this study that found those with ESP report "higher levels of emotional abuse, sexual abuse, emotional neglect, physical neglect, and traumatic intrusions."

Then there is also the material about 'empaths', which I think is usually a form of enmeshment developed out of narcissistic family dynamics where the child has learned to accept the parent's emotional state as their own or their own responsibility. Infants' nervous systems are naturally trained on their mothers as they are still developing. The mother's nervous system is basically an external nervous system for the child as a means of learning regulation. If there is very little regulation (and boundaries) to be learned, the infant may remain in a state of relying on knowing the emotions of others instead of their own. This might create conditions for the child to be highly tuned to what other people are feeling, but since there isn't much awareness of their own emotional state, this deficit will likely cause some misinterpretations of those emotions too.

While some people may go through extended periods of disintegration, the nature of the personality is that it eventually settles. Psychic abilities might remain at varying degrees after it settles, but perhaps the intensity lessens. If things are a bit much try some regulating activities - things like social engagement/ conversation, networking, pipe breathing, singing, humming, smiling.

I'm theorizing here, but I think psychic ability can grow and be directed toward supporting greater capacities like empathy and greater awareness of ourselves and the world. The same could be said for most abilities we might have. And by 'continue on' is just mean keep working on ourselves, reading, sharing, and trying to be of service where we can.

 

[Candice]

Thank you @Renaissance for your generous reply. It was really helpful to me, so much to think about.

This information I found particularly helpful about babies and lack of regulation. I wonder if it extends to young children and not only babies?

Then there is also the material about 'empaths', which I think is usually a form of enmeshment developed out of narcissistic family dynamics where the child has learned to accept the parent's emotional state as their own or their own responsibility. Infants' nervous systems are naturally trained on their mothers as they are still developing. The mother's nervous system is basically an external nervous system for the child as a means of learning regulation. If there is very little regulation (and boundaries) to be learned, the infant may remain in a state of relying on knowing the emotions of others instead of their own. This might create conditions for the child to be highly tuned to what other people are feeling, but since there isn't much awareness of their own emotional state, this deficit will likely cause some misinterpretations of those emotions too.

The concept of an ‘empath’ I’d come across before but I thought it was a label for those that ‘pick up others emotions’, while for me it’s I sense their ‘energy’ through ‘impressions’. In truth I thought this was a sense most people had but for some it was stronger. Only recently while talking to my partner, did I learn maybe not. But still it could all be my imagination.

The thing is as a young child, maybe even as a baby I was left alone a lot. I didn’t learn how to socialize properly and there was very little direct communication with me. Even then I remember picking up ‘impressions’, not ‘emotions’ from my parents or others.

I will research more about ‘empath’ on the forum, thank you again for your knowledgeable reply.