Anyone with a child with Agenesis of the corpus callosum

I do find it somewhat amusing that by simply putting up another point of view I am therefore 'delusional' or working for a pharmaceutical company.

Is it not okay for people to simply have different opinions and have came across different research?!
 
Sorry for the triple posting but I couldn't find an edit button just to add this point...

Anart - I noticed you commented in the smoking post about a 'friend'... This would be yet another prime example of other lifestyle choices that could impact just as easily as vaccinations could... And before anyone pro-thc attacks me with the 'but it's natural so it's healthy' comment - just to point out - Arsenic is also completely natural - found in a plant.... Healthy?! Nope... Arnat - I am certainly not condeming your choices, but using this as a simple example of the choices we make in life and the 'possible'/'probable'/'potential' outcomes from these choices.
 
shakenbake said:
Sorry for the triple posting but I couldn't find an edit button just to add this point...

Anart - I noticed you commented in the smoking post about a 'friend'... This would be yet another prime example of other lifestyle choices that could impact just as easily as vaccinations could... And before anyone pro-thc attacks me with the 'but it's natural so it's healthy' comment - just to point out - Arsenic is also completely natural - found in a plant.... Healthy?! Nope... Arnat - I am certainly not condeming your choices, but using this as a simple example of the choices we make in life and the 'possible'/'probable'/'potential' outcomes from these choices.

It has absolutely nothing to do with choices, it has to do with facts. Your facts on the mercury in vaccinations are wrong - period. No, everyone is not "entitled to their opinions" - the truth is the truth and lies are lies and you, shakenbake, are espousing lies. Let me make this very clear - your sources are not credible, so please do not come to this forum supporting poisonous western medicine as if that is a harmless thing to do. It is not. Please also read the forum guidelines in their entirety because it appears that you walked into the wrong bar.
 
Shakenbake, we have a considerable amount of research on this topic that you can find by doing a search funtion in this forum or at sott.net. According to the European Commission (http://www.sott.net/article/250623-European-Commission-Recommends-Banning-Mercury-Fillings),

“Mercury and most of its compounds are highly toxic to humans, animals and ecosystems. High doses can be fatal to humans, but even relatively low doses can seriously affect the nervous system and have been linked with possible harmful effects on the cardiovascular, immune and reproductive systems. In the presence of bacteria, mercury can change into methylmercury, its most toxic form. Methylmercury readily passes through both the placenta and the blood-brain barrier, so exposure of women of child-bearing age and of children, is of greatest concern.

Pediatrician Sidney MacDonald Baker (Sydney MacDonald Baker. Detoxification and Healing. McGraw-Hill; 2 edition (August 27, 2003)) reports how mercury at very low doses may be harmful to one person but not to another. There is at least a thousand fold difference in individual thresh­olds for mercury poisoning; one researcher has measured differences of even one million fold. So knowing how much mercury it takes to poison the average person is of very little help when the average is somewhere within a range that starts at one and goes to one million.
Mercury's toxicity also differs depending on its form. Metallic mercury (quicksilver) causes little absorption when touched or swallowed, while mercury vapor and organic forms of mercury (methylmercury found in fish; ethylmercury found in Thimerosal, used in vaccines and eyedrops) are practically completely absorbed.

But mercury in and of itself is extremely toxic, and at very low levels can cause neurological and other damage. Dentists use approximately 300 metric tons of mercury annually for amalgam. The International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology actually made a video where mercury emanations – which usually are invisible – are exposed through a special screen. They showed how rubbing mercury amalgams (i.e. chewing gum) or drinking a hot beverage, releases mercury levels that are enough to evacuate an industrial factory. The guys were wearing gas masks as they conducted their illustration. It doesn’t make things better to think that you are often stuck in a room with a dozen people with a mouth-full of mercury.

SmokingTeeth -- Toxic Fillings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw94F94FZqA

The Autism Research Institute has been reporting for years how children with autism have symptoms consistent with that of mercury toxicity. For instance, the US Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry gives the following summary about the symptoms of mercury toxicity in children:

_www.autism.com/pdf/providers/heavymetals.pdf

“Mercury is considered to be a developmental toxicant. … The symptoms observed in offspring of exposed mothers are primarily neurological in origin and have ranged from delays in motor and verbal development to severe brain damage.”

“The infant may be born apparently normal, but later show effects that may range from the infant being slower to reach developmental milestones, such as the age of first walking and talking, to more severe effects including brain damage with mental retardation, incoordination, and inability to move.”

“Other severe effects observed in children whose mothers were exposed to very toxic levels of mercury during pregnancy include eventual blindness, involuntary muscle contractions and seizures, muscle weakness, and inability to speak.”

So from their research, it is clear that infants are at a particular risk and that developing fetus is 5-10 times more sensitive to mercury. Also, the human brain undergoes tremendous growth and maturation the first year of life. Mercury is known to interfere with these growth mechanisms. Exposures that occur during critical “Windows of Development” are more damaging. Consider also that in animal studies, infants do not excrete mercury until weaned and a milk diet increases gut absorption of metals.

It is within range of possibility that the corpus callosum is developed only to get reabsorbed at a later stage, as in self-destruction:

[Cytomegaly and central nervous system abnormalities. Report of 2 cases associated with agenesia of the corpus callosum and cystic encephalopathy].

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/169764

Two cases of cytomegaly of the central nervous system of infants, disclosing typical viral inclusions in the brain tissues, associated with agenesia of the corpus callosum and cystic symmetrical post-infarction encephalopathy are reported. It is suggested that the callosal defect was caused by cystic degeneration occuring within the lamina reuniens and the prematurely fused sulcus medianus, in early intrauterine life. The possibility of cytomegalic etiology of the malformation is discussed. However the occurrence of viral disease in a previous abnormal brain cannot be discarded. The cystic symmetrical encephalopathy is explained through a redistribution (shunting) of the cerebral blood flow, brought about by the existence of a peculiar mechanism which he calls - priority blood supplying system. This proposed system probably acts independently of the cerebral blood flow autoregulatory mechanisms in emergency states, shunting the blood to the vitaly more important homeostatic neurovegetative centers. This mechanism, in spite of its actual effectiveness, if prolonged, may be deleterious to the excluded territories and produce irreversible damages. The morphologic expression of these damages are the multiple symmetrical brain infarctions. Following occasional survival, the tissue debris of the destroyed structures in the involved areas, are slowly and progressively removed by reabsorption and replaced by unusual symmetrical cavitations.

Dairy products are very damaging in more ways than one, through its lectins, its casein protein, and by making we absorb more heavy metals that we are already breathing. It is one of the reasons why removing dairy (and gluten) from the diet is so useful in treating autism. Mercury toxicity also causes gut problems, impairing the proper functioning of important digestive enzymes and peptides needed to disassemble and digest gluten and casein.

Mercury causes pervasive disruption within our bodies by binding to sulfur, which then makes a whole range of vital sulfur-containing enzymes, transport mechanisms and structural proteins to malfunction. This is why a list of symptoms for low-level mercury toxicity covers just about any complaint you could possibly name: speech and hearing difficulties; numbness in the mouth, hands and feet; cardiovascular disease; bronchitis and lung inflammation; sensitivity to loud noises; aversion to touch; muscle wasting and weakness; social withdrawal and anxiety; obsessive-compulsive disorders; disruption of serotonin, dopamine and acetylcholine – essential brain chemicals for learning, good memory, good mood, attention, and motivation.

Mercury toxicity causes damage to the immune system and triggers autoimmune disorders. Mercury exposure increases our susceptibility to viruses which will further compound a misfiring immune reaction. Autistic children are often found to have chronic viral infections.

Oral antibiotics greatly increase the toxicity of mercury to brain cells. Mercury in the brain targets cells in the amygdala and hippocampus – both part of the limbic system: the heart of the emotional response, as well as the cerebellum. A low carb diet is particularly helpful in dealing with mercury toxicity in that it helps to heal the gut and it deals with yeast overgrowth. But a low carb diet also provides for the best sources of nutrients that the body can assimilate and that are effective against mercury. It also prevents the wasting away by a high carb diet of such nutrients.

In short, knowledge protects.
 
In addition to all the articles on sott.net, there's a chapter in the book A Spiritual Autopsy of Science and Religion (published by Red Pill Press) by Kelly Mitchell on vaccines that sums it all up. As anart wrote, there are lies and truth, and the truth is pretty obvious when you read the real story behind vaccines and thimerosol, and all that goes on behind the scenes. There's really no debate.
 
shakenbake said:
You are correct - we don't know as an absolute fact that vaccinations are safe, in fact there are adults and children that do have clear adverse reactions and I am certainly not discounting in the future we may become more aware of problems with vaccinations. However, currently there is no cause and effect that can be established conclusively. I simply request that people do not get involved with hype (whether that be PRO or ANTI vaccination) but instead investigate credible information and make decision based on this.


Shakenbake, you are vacillating between scientific objectivity and personal choice. You claim scientific objectivity when it suits you, and then go on to claim the benefits of your personal choice as well, independently of that.

In reality, what you are saying is that science has spoken and therefore your personal choice is right. Then you make lip service to the fact that we don't know everything, and other people's choices, all the while undermining them as ignorant and guilt-ridden.

Science has never "had spoken". If you are basing your important choices on what is known right now and holding on to them for dear life, you are choosing a risk and an action that you otherwise wouldn't undertake. This makes no sense as a wager.

You may say, there is another side of the wager: by taking the non-action (refusing to vaccinate) you are putting yourself at risk for illness. Then, it must be considered what the chances of contracting an illness and suffering serious consequences is. This is different from each illness and has to be considered in details, often cutting through the propaganda. The risks may not be as big as they are portrayed to be. Again, the wager just makes no sense.

Consider also that the vaccination problems are not the issue of science, but a consumer protection issue. We do not vaccinate, as a society, to prove a scientific point. We do it, allegedly, to protect people. In reality, you are less protected by both law and medicine if you suffer vaccine injury than you would be in case of illness vaccine is designed to prevent. The risk of illness is remote, the disease is predictable, finite and for the most part relatively short, the treatment is available, you can educate yourself and prepare. In case of vaccine injury, it would strike directly after vaxing, it is unpredictable, can last a lifetime, is likely to be a medical mystery. And, most importantly, you receive no justice, legal protection or compensation due to the fact that the manufacturer of vaccines assumes no liability whatsoever.

If someone gets poisoned on contaminated tylenol, or is a carseat were to spontaneously choke even one child, the manufacturer would recall all those things in a heartbeat before the first lawyer is retained, and pay millions in damage. But if these things were vaccines, the families of those affected would be told that nothing happened and they are imagining things, no changes would be made, and new laws would be passed for children to remain in carseats inside the houses when not directly supervised, and fed tylenol daily. That's a pretty good analogy for what's going on today.

For me to simply blame a vaccination would be a process of trying to reduce my guilt and redirect my anger elsewhere (which I understand can be a motivator for many). However, this process would be misguided for myself, knowing that I do not fully understand the impact of all my past choices - living in cities, driving a car, using mobile phones, eating processed food, using household products etc etc - even genetics plays a role.

I think that this passage actually demonstrate the opposite: self-calming due to self-imposed perception of lack of control. This, indeed, can't work without blaming people who attempt to take control and responsibility (not to be confused with guilt).

if it were so cut and dry that vaccination cause problems, we would not have seen children born with abnormalities beofre the invention of vaccinations, nor would we see children with abnormalities born to parents who do not vaccinate - but we do.

This lacks logic and proves nothing. So if I drink alcohol I'll get sick. If I use drugs I'll get sick. If I both drink and use drugs, I'll get sick worse and faster. But since without drugs but with alcohol I'll still get sick, it makes no sense to quite either? That's essentially what you are saying.


I do find it somewhat amusing that by simply putting up another point of view I am therefore 'delusional' or working for a pharmaceutical company.

Is it not okay for people to simply have different opinions and have came across different research?!

Sorry, but you fit the profile: a poster appearing out of nowhere to zoom onto a thread where vaxing is all but mentioned once, who clearly is neither scientist nor physician but has strong pro-vax opinions and turns discussion there, insulting people's competence in the very first post. This happens all the time. From what I see, there's enough folks who do this without being paid to, just for the heck of it. The hobby stooges as it were. It doesn't make it less inflammatory.

You could have simply stated your salient point, the fact that ACC appears earlier in embryogenesis than the rhogam shot is administered, and leave it at that. Instead you steer up tempest in a teapot. Any reaction to that from other members is a predictable consequence.
 
There have been many assumptions made of me here... One that I am strong PRO vax, which is completely incorrect. I have never said that people SHOULD vaccinate - or which choice I will be choosing for my children. The 'facts' which have been labelled very negatively in the responses were simply that Mercury is toxic over a certain point (I didn't say where this point is - as personally I don't know this and am happy to admit that) and used the example that the bosy can tolerate some mercurcy give the fact that humans consume fish and ahve for years - even societies that have their main food souce of fish. As for other 'facts' that I put out there the other one was that people should do there own research and come to their own conclusions and to look at evidence/ research etc with a wise eye - this is valid for BOTH sides of the argument.

My attention to this post was brought to me by someone else who was concerned about the misinformation regarding ACC (and link to Anti-D shot) - so I came as a fellow ACC Mother (who is very much into the research behind the condition, speaking with specialists, compiling research for various reasons including the possibility of actually doing research in the field myself).

I simply made an added comment about vaccinations (as stated above) and the onslaught began. I did reply suggesting people seek their own research and not take other people's comments as gospel (and YES I said that about my own posts). Many other comments (ie about the guilt) have been MY PERSPECTIVE as I noted in replies, my subjective response. Such as; blaming the vax for me would have been driven by guilt.

As you have listed research, there is just as much research supporting the safety of vaccinations but I'm not going to bother posting any of this because clearly the design of this forum was to attack those who present another side of the coin. Again, I am certainly not PRO vax (or anti vax - if anyone stopped to bother to ask I would have offered my personal opinions), I just like to think that people are provided with information about both sides.

If I can add a suggestion - if you are looking to encourage people to look at all the evidence against vaccinations (which again you assume I don't or that I don't offer any validity to this - which is again your assumption and incorrect) then may I suggest you first ASK their perspective, ask their knowledge and provide information - NOT just attack, assume and label people as having invested interests in vaccination.

Again, I never said I was PRO vax, and I was never asked (just accused of my motives). Perhaps a better response could have been providing the links to research and encouraging people (myself) to view these.

The assumptions that I am not a medical scientist or physician are correct, does make me wonder how many people posting here ARE one of these. And also, is the opinion of one of these any more relevant??? As I certainly know many medical scientist and physicians that are pro vax, and I know many who aren't - so again it's a subjective thing based on their experience and information. If you are actually interested - I am a health practitioner and on my way to studying Medicine.

There are again so many misinterpretations and assumptions of what I was posting in the responses from you all, so I cannot reply to them individually. Please note I did not say your points were WRONG, but they were provided after misinterpreting my comments. Seeking clarification can solve this.

Clearly my comments are not welcome here (again despite not even being asked where my align my personal views) so you won't hear from me again. The purpose of joining was about the Anti D shot and ACC (which mind you is a great example of why people should look into research and not forums as people were all to happy to jump of board with the connection without even knowing anything about ACC), and that is done.

If we can all learn something from this then great. I will learn to provide references if stating anything and perhaps identify that I am not PRO vax early if joining another forum similar, and perhaps you all can learn that people respond more kindly and warmly (and accepting to views and information!) if responded to in a more mature way rather than just attacks and assumptions.
 
shakenbake, it's very simple. You presented information that is not true. We corrected your input because it is very important that the information presented on this forum correspond to reality wherever possible. You were offended by this and have decided to strike out about it. That does not change the facts of the situation which are that the information you presented is patently untrue and will not be allowed to stand on this forum as if it is not.

You can go to any number of other forums and spend your time there espousing untrue information, but not here. I hope you find a forum more to your liking.
 
It takes only an open mind and letting go "offending feelings" in order to discuss the research from a more objective point of view. After all, the research is for the benefit of younger generations and those afflicted with serious health problems whose causes mainstream medicine not only shoves under the rug, but is actively inflicting them whether it is conscious of it or not. Ignorance of environmental toxicity and its effects, psychopathy in power (i.e. in Big Pharma) and of corruption of science makes a person a perfect tool from which misery and illness can be perpetuated.

Researchers and practitioners only have to get over themselves in order to spread the message as objectively as possible and with the least personal bias as possible for the sake of those who are suffering.

Fish is a significant source of mercury exposure. Mercury in seawater is passed up the food chain, so the bigger the fish, the more mercury it will have. But sea food is particularly rich in all of what our brains and bodies need in the right quantities and in the forms that can actually be utilized by our bodies. Selenium and zinc protects against mercury toxicity and they are part of the mercury and lead detox protocol that has been used by thousands of people with excellent results. Mercury tends to bind to selenium better than to the sulfur in our bodies, thus eating sea food rich in selenium protects us against mercury toxicity. As it happens, selenium is found at particularly rich concentrations in sea food. Oysters are not only super rich in selenium; they are the best source for zinc. Fish that have higher concentrations of mercury than selenium are the super big predatory ones: whale, shark, swordfish, marlin, tarpon. That is not exactly what people have in mind when they go to get some fish for dinner:

Fish intake, contaminants, and human health: evaluating the risks and the benefits.

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17047219

“the benefits of fish intake exceed the potential risks. For women of childbearing age, benefits of modest fish intake, excepting a few selected species, also outweigh risks.”

Shellfish, sardines, shrimp, organic cod, tuna, halibut, and salmon are among those rich in selenium. But many limit their fish consumption to stay on the safe side, especially avoiding larger fish and sticking to small ones like sardines which are usually safe to eat, while taking instead fish oil as a supplement which is generally sourced from small fish as well.

There is a large database about agenesis of the corpus callosum at the pubmed library _http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ and just scanning the topics, I can certainly see how the ketogenic diet and other research we had shared would be very helpful for these children.

I hope mothers and other people with children afflicted with this condition will have the chance to have a look at that research.
 
Hi.
I have an amazing 9 year old son with ACC. He has an incredible memory and a fabulous vocabulary, however struggles at school. He has difficulty reading and writing. And finds it hard to socialise with his peers. He is being educated at a main stream local school who provide him with amazing support & truly care for him.
His passion (or obsession) is for trains. From an early age he was in love with 'Thomas the Tank' & his friends. And his love has not wavered. However this passion has helped him to learn.
Our son has a quirkiness to food. He only likes plain foods in bland colours like whites, creams and browns. He will only eat the yellow snakes in the packet of lollies. However loves a good Thai curry with puppadums.

My husband & I are privileged to have our amazing son in our lives. We are truly blessed. I know my son will overcome diversities in his world and will achieve success and happiness in his life.
 
Hi Zinzan,

Welcome to the Forum. It's customary for newcomers to introduce themselves on the Newbie's Board. Just a little bit about yourself and how you came to find us. You can check some of the posts to see how others have done it.

Congratulations on your son. He is very lucky to have such loving parents.
 
My 2cents in regard to shakeandbake is this:people on this forum are not promoters of the forum and are not concerned with opinions or debates. Leaving before one is awakened to whats really going on could be averted if one is willing to be open and listen. Read some of guidelines, and you may understand why you have reacted this way. I totally understand why you feel lashed out at and probably feel horrified. It is not as you think. Suspend thinking for a minute and listen. You will find probably every answer to every question you ever wondered about but it will take open-minded willingness to put all you think you know aside. About yourself, your opinions,your accomplishments etc. You must get really humble and its not easy when one isn't ready. When those defenses surface we are no longer able to listen to anything but what our egos tell us to keep us blind deaf and dumb. You don't know it yet,but finding this site and blindly thinking you can post your opinions and not have anyone respond immediately and to the point, is like coming into someones house with a bag of garbage(even if its remnants of healthy foodstuffs) and dropping over the floor and hoping no one will notice. Words aren't minced here and I know I took it personally also.I was defensive and hurt and it got to me so much that I gave up fighting and took a look at what was really being said and why I responded the way I did'.Observing myself was truly eyeopening and not painful because the observer doesn't judge and I was ready. My life changed dramatically and I'm on the way to health as I never thought possible, mentally and physically. If you sincerely are searching for truth you will have to allow it in yourself first. What if by leaving your opinions out and the need for debate aside you just listened without reacting or judging those you think wronged you?What if that kind of leap changed your whole way of seeing, hearing and being into bringing you into a place you maybe never thought possible? What if? I'm just a forum member putting my 2 cents in because I've been in defensive and resistant places and I wasted what I now think of as precious, valuable time that may have been spent way better because I wanted to defend my rightness.Again that is my take and I hope it serves you.If not, I hope you find what you are looking for. I hope you stay. If you want to research, research this forum. Its the only way to find there is no agenda, except truth.
 
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