Are people who want to close their forum account spies?
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Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
Not necessarily. There are many reasons for a person to leave. Sometimes it's because of some personal circumstances, and sometimes they are not ready yet for the Work as practiced here. There are many members who left, only to return months or years later after they have dealt with some external or internal issues in their lives. Others have left never to be seen again, but that's how life is, everyone has the free choice, and we respect that: No judgment and no hard feelings. The doors are open both ways.Kay Kim said:
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Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
i am not trained for this :)
Persuasion isn't equivalent of manipulation. I don't using lie as entity.
Provocative approach also does not necessary take away free will. Rather allow to discover new resources of individual, as long as provocative language is used properly regard to him. I mean, until not become vulgar or agressive.
whitecoast said:
i am not trained for this :)
whitecoast said:
Persuasion isn't equivalent of manipulation. I don't using lie as entity.
Provocative approach also does not necessary take away free will. Rather allow to discover new resources of individual, as long as provocative language is used properly regard to him. I mean, until not become vulgar or agressive.
Psalehesost
The Living Force
Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
Manipulation doesn't always use lies - with or without lies, often it's based on appealing to emotions. I tend to agree with whitecoast on this one, the approach would basically be a way to "push someone's buttons" to get them to respond in the way you want, based on trying to "determine the needs of another" for them.
lux said:
Manipulation doesn't always use lies - with or without lies, often it's based on appealing to emotions. I tend to agree with whitecoast on this one, the approach would basically be a way to "push someone's buttons" to get them to respond in the way you want, based on trying to "determine the needs of another" for them.
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Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
Notice that almost always it's the "push someone's buttons." Music in the shopping center or smile to other person. This is pressing buttons.
I think right attitude is not repeat: "its manipulation. It's bad!" But learn technology and learn how to use it for own and others good.
Psalehesost said:
Notice that almost always it's the "push someone's buttons." Music in the shopping center or smile to other person. This is pressing buttons.
I think right attitude is not repeat: "its manipulation. It's bad!" But learn technology and learn how to use it for own and others good.
Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
I think friendly smiling and intrusive advertising are two different things. Smiling at a stranger fosters a safe environment where the other can freely open dialogue and people can get to know each other (or not, if the stranger prefers). That is externally considerate. Intrusive advertising that lowers self esteem in hopes of getting them to buy something is internally considerate because the advertisers care more about profit than whether people really want/need a widget.
If someone wants to leave, they do not want to learn from the forum members period. Giving what is asked in this situation means helping them delete their account or doing it yourself if you're a mod. Anything else (like persuasion) is not giving what is asked, and is more about yourself and wanting others to recognize and value the work done here. Trying to justify yourself to strangers is a waste of energy, in my opinion. :)
I think friendly smiling and intrusive advertising are two different things. Smiling at a stranger fosters a safe environment where the other can freely open dialogue and people can get to know each other (or not, if the stranger prefers). That is externally considerate. Intrusive advertising that lowers self esteem in hopes of getting them to buy something is internally considerate because the advertisers care more about profit than whether people really want/need a widget.
If someone wants to leave, they do not want to learn from the forum members period. Giving what is asked in this situation means helping them delete their account or doing it yourself if you're a mod. Anything else (like persuasion) is not giving what is asked, and is more about yourself and wanting others to recognize and value the work done here. Trying to justify yourself to strangers is a waste of energy, in my opinion. :)
taratai
Jedi
Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
I wonder, why do psychopaths smile too, then. Oh, right.
Does that make smiling to strangers bad? Or not? And is frowning at them good? Or maybe it depends?
Is saving a suicidal person from suicide good? Or bad? Those people here basically committed forum suicide. Should we "save" them? Or not? Should we try to give them another chance? Or not?
And does it really matter anyway? After all, they can always return. Just as someone who leaves the forum. Oh, wait, it should be the other way around...
Or not?...
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I wonder, why do psychopaths smile too, then. Oh, right.
You wrote it yourself! A perfect strategy for manipulating others! Make them feel safe so they open up so you can know their weak spots! :Pwhitecoast said:
Does that make smiling to strangers bad? Or not? And is frowning at them good? Or maybe it depends?
Is saving a suicidal person from suicide good? Or bad? Those people here basically committed forum suicide. Should we "save" them? Or not? Should we try to give them another chance? Or not?
And does it really matter anyway? After all, they can always return. Just as someone who leaves the forum. Oh, wait, it should be the other way around...
Or not?...
:P
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Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
Oh, everyone has his own point of view on the topic of "manipulations" and also his own consciousness of his own manipulations and persuasions....
For me all the knowledge about manipulation and persuasion and communication is always worth of known because it is a fragment of reality and many techniques works. Of course, there are a lot of techniques which don't work too...
I think therefore that human design has built-in mechanisms that trigger the submission and mechanisms which offer protection from being submissive. This allows for the existence and changes in humans.
Some say they abhor manipulation and discuss about reasonableness of NLP and hypnosis and the like.
When it comes to me, I say that you may manipulating me 24h a day and 7 days in the week. UNTIL, it works for my well being (comprehensively, on different dimensions). Well, of course I can not always be sure that everyone will do so.
So, I will strive to become more aware of myself and aware of techniques that are used on me.
Oh, everyone has his own point of view on the topic of "manipulations" and also his own consciousness of his own manipulations and persuasions....
For me all the knowledge about manipulation and persuasion and communication is always worth of known because it is a fragment of reality and many techniques works. Of course, there are a lot of techniques which don't work too...
I think therefore that human design has built-in mechanisms that trigger the submission and mechanisms which offer protection from being submissive. This allows for the existence and changes in humans.
Some say they abhor manipulation and discuss about reasonableness of NLP and hypnosis and the like.
When it comes to me, I say that you may manipulating me 24h a day and 7 days in the week. UNTIL, it works for my well being (comprehensively, on different dimensions). Well, of course I can not always be sure that everyone will do so.
So, I will strive to become more aware of myself and aware of techniques that are used on me.
Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
This is thinking in black and white terms Kay Kim, I dont think it is as simply clear cut as this. First of all, what is the definition of "right thinking"?
What is helpful to remember is that people face different lessons in their lives, and we are all handed a different 'set of cards' so to say. Speaking from personal experience, when I first joined this forum, I was eager to learn about certain concepts that are dealt with here. However, there was also information on this forum that conflicted with my previously held beliefs about diet, namely vegetarianism (I was a strict vegetarian at the time). When i was finally swayed by the views of others around me (my mother, also vegetarian), it caused me to dismiss ALL of the other information provided here. What happened was that I began to search for anything that 'disproved' Laura and the C's and this forum, and finally arrived at the disinfo given by jay weidner and co. It took me a year to come to the realization that my beliefs were based on lies, and through learning some very difficult lessons I was finally ready to return with the Aim of stripping away those false beliefs and committing myself to Truth. I simply was not ready before that time. The reason i am saying this is because many people may simply have come across certain information is here that is simply to difficult to 'digest' at their stage of development and which may conflict with their currently held beliefs about reality, so in order to block out these conflicting feelings and to avoid facing the uncomfortable truths, they seek to find reasons for leaving this forum and may choose to leave because of this. But this does not mean that they are necessarily wrong for this, it only means that they may stoll have some lessons to learn until they are ready. This was a thread that I start a while ago, and it may help to see my original post and then compare it to my post the following year it may help to understand what i mean.
Kay Kim said:
This is thinking in black and white terms Kay Kim, I dont think it is as simply clear cut as this. First of all, what is the definition of "right thinking"?
What is helpful to remember is that people face different lessons in their lives, and we are all handed a different 'set of cards' so to say. Speaking from personal experience, when I first joined this forum, I was eager to learn about certain concepts that are dealt with here. However, there was also information on this forum that conflicted with my previously held beliefs about diet, namely vegetarianism (I was a strict vegetarian at the time). When i was finally swayed by the views of others around me (my mother, also vegetarian), it caused me to dismiss ALL of the other information provided here. What happened was that I began to search for anything that 'disproved' Laura and the C's and this forum, and finally arrived at the disinfo given by jay weidner and co. It took me a year to come to the realization that my beliefs were based on lies, and through learning some very difficult lessons I was finally ready to return with the Aim of stripping away those false beliefs and committing myself to Truth. I simply was not ready before that time. The reason i am saying this is because many people may simply have come across certain information is here that is simply to difficult to 'digest' at their stage of development and which may conflict with their currently held beliefs about reality, so in order to block out these conflicting feelings and to avoid facing the uncomfortable truths, they seek to find reasons for leaving this forum and may choose to leave because of this. But this does not mean that they are necessarily wrong for this, it only means that they may stoll have some lessons to learn until they are ready. This was a thread that I start a while ago, and it may help to see my original post and then compare it to my post the following year it may help to understand what i mean.
Kisito
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Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
Hello Kay Kim, it's me who posted this question. I'm on the forums since October 2012. I have noticed lately many subscribers, and then a lot of cancellations. What amazed me are not terminations, but that those who terminated their account were making posts for their terminations. Why dramatize its release? If you go why turn on his way, they forget something, they regrètent something or they hope something? And why people do it at the same time, whereas before I had never noticed this kind of termination! It started just after the massive registrations. Finally this is what I think and the strong intuition that I had, is that a group had infiltrated to negatively influence registered (people of the forum) .. The coincidence seems too high ..Kay Kim said:
Michael B-C
The Living Force
Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
This seems to me the most balanced and sensible road to take. Snakes and ladders is a well known children's game that has a deep esoteric history. We all live on a chequered board where one minute we may reach a square where we meet a ladder - short or long - which may reflect a sudden acceleration potential in our development and yet soon after find ourselves tumbling down a snake - short or long - which can propel us down from where we had thought we were heading to a lower level where we find we have to re-tread uncomfortable paths if we wish to continue growing or moving on. And sometimes the snakes will just out number those ladders, no matter how far up the chequered squares we once thought we were heading, and sometimes the experience of those snakes will just gobble us up! And sometimes its tangles with snakes we need not beckoning ladders! Many are called, few are chosen... and the choice, I suspect, always takes place within us – the most taxing battleground on Mother Earth!
There may indeed be something in what you say Kisto. Indeed the C's appear to have alluded to such potential taking place at this time. But let's keep our views balanced on it. So what if it is a 'planned' exit? And it's hardly a stampede! Everyone here is welcome to come and go. Even trolls are often initially humoured or given the benefit of the doubt if they are not offensive or seek to be divisive. I see nothing in any of the recent requests to delete that should be cause for any alarm - no rants, no twisting of reasoning or indeed no apparent wish for further comment or taking others with them. Just plain simple exit stage left notices. Opening up anxieties about this non-event may actually do us more energetic harm than good. Staying alert and yet open to whatever materialises seems to be the watch word of the day. We can see these exits as an opportunity for more learning - especially in terms of monitoring our own emotional states and responses - our own projections and internal and external consideration. Over the years I have seen previous individual leavers rant and rave for page after page, drawing in the most patient and gifted of posters into attempts to balance their seeming never ending discharge of convoluted, abusive thinking. And I have learnt so much from such threads that I am actually grateful to the instigator as they head into the west, hissing and screaming abuse as they go, for giving me the opportunity to witness and learn from their often misshapen way of seeing things. So if this is a game, bring it on I say, because there is no better way of growing than when things get uncomfortable at the round table! :)
Keyhole said:
This seems to me the most balanced and sensible road to take. Snakes and ladders is a well known children's game that has a deep esoteric history. We all live on a chequered board where one minute we may reach a square where we meet a ladder - short or long - which may reflect a sudden acceleration potential in our development and yet soon after find ourselves tumbling down a snake - short or long - which can propel us down from where we had thought we were heading to a lower level where we find we have to re-tread uncomfortable paths if we wish to continue growing or moving on. And sometimes the snakes will just out number those ladders, no matter how far up the chequered squares we once thought we were heading, and sometimes the experience of those snakes will just gobble us up! And sometimes its tangles with snakes we need not beckoning ladders! Many are called, few are chosen... and the choice, I suspect, always takes place within us – the most taxing battleground on Mother Earth!
Kisito said:
There may indeed be something in what you say Kisto. Indeed the C's appear to have alluded to such potential taking place at this time. But let's keep our views balanced on it. So what if it is a 'planned' exit? And it's hardly a stampede! Everyone here is welcome to come and go. Even trolls are often initially humoured or given the benefit of the doubt if they are not offensive or seek to be divisive. I see nothing in any of the recent requests to delete that should be cause for any alarm - no rants, no twisting of reasoning or indeed no apparent wish for further comment or taking others with them. Just plain simple exit stage left notices. Opening up anxieties about this non-event may actually do us more energetic harm than good. Staying alert and yet open to whatever materialises seems to be the watch word of the day. We can see these exits as an opportunity for more learning - especially in terms of monitoring our own emotional states and responses - our own projections and internal and external consideration. Over the years I have seen previous individual leavers rant and rave for page after page, drawing in the most patient and gifted of posters into attempts to balance their seeming never ending discharge of convoluted, abusive thinking. And I have learnt so much from such threads that I am actually grateful to the instigator as they head into the west, hissing and screaming abuse as they go, for giving me the opportunity to witness and learn from their often misshapen way of seeing things. So if this is a game, bring it on I say, because there is no better way of growing than when things get uncomfortable at the round table! :)
Re: All people who want to close are they their forum account spies?
Thank you Keyhole,
You understand because your own experience lead you to other people's reason for leaving.
Then maybe some people will have conscious shock like you and will be coming back too.
Your explanation make me very happy that you are try to help me grow up in my personal view of things.
All my life I was so sure of myself and not thinking others. It is time for me to learn, there are not just right and wrong but something else too...
Thank you everyone, I learn every day from this forum.
Thank you Keyhole,
You understand because your own experience lead you to other people's reason for leaving.
Then maybe some people will have conscious shock like you and will be coming back too.
Your explanation make me very happy that you are try to help me grow up in my personal view of things.
All my life I was so sure of myself and not thinking others. It is time for me to learn, there are not just right and wrong but something else too...
Thank you everyone, I learn every day from this forum.
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