Are Rocks 2D friends too?

Guardian

The Cosmic Force
Wasn't sure exactly where to put a "Can we converse with rocks" thread...but I'm thinking 2D might fit?

I currently believe that rocks are living beings just like trees, plants, etc., and they can communicate if they want to. They're part of the same "collective consciousness" that I think envelopes all life on Earth, and perhaps beyond?

To me, they communicate in tones, VERY LOW tones...as low as any I've ever perceived. Of course I also realize that it might just be my imagination?

Anyone else tried chatting with the "Rock People" or "Grandfathers" as they are called in many Indigenous cultures?
 
Thought I'd post something relevant here (they're 1D, but I think they'd fit this forum section):

A review session follows: Who is 1st density?

Q: (L) Rocks and minerals, right?

A: And?

Q: (L) Plants?

A: Yes. Now, what awareness do you suppose they have of you?

Q: (L) What awareness do rocks and plants have of US?! Oh, dear
God! (V) That's an interesting way to put it. An excellent example.
(T) When we ask why higher beings have awareness of us but we
are not aware of them, we need to ask what awareness beings
lower than us have of us. (J) Obviously no more than we have of 4th
density. (T) But when you play music to a plant, it has some
awareness because it makes it grow better. (L) But music is not a
being. (T) It's an energy wave. (J) Wait a minute... what they are
saying is: they have no more awareness of us than we, as 3rd
density beings, have of 4th density beings. (T) Does this mean that
they interact with us the way we interact with plants?

A: Who is "on" 2nd level?

Q: (L) Animals. (T) Insects, lower life forms.

A: Now, think carefully, what level of awareness, and more
importantly, understanding, do they have of you?

Q: (L) Well, I guess they are aware of us in some way, but they don't
understand us... (T) Some do at some point... (T) They understand
us to a certain extent...

(F) But their understanding is entirely different from our
understanding of them. In other words, they see these big hulking
beings, but they don't know what's going on. (L) Was Ouspensky's
explanation of how animals perceive humans very close to the truth?

A: Close. Now, what about 1st level understanding and perception of
2nd level?

Q: (L) Okay, 1st density, minerals and plants... now rocks and
minerals combine with plants through growing actions, water
dissolution, erosion, and so on, they have a real limited existence.
And what happens is that mostly animals come along and eat them.
(F) Bees pollinate flowers. (L) Different kinds of animals live in trees.
(T) Some animals live in the ground and in caves. (T) So, rocks and
minerals and plants have a really limited understanding of the
animals above them which interact with them in various ways.

A: Yes, and you have a limited understanding of the densities above
you.

Q: (L) Well, that is still begging the question, my question was... (T)
As an example, today we all experienced something we call thunder,
but we were all aware
that it was something more. Something happened in 4th density that
we experienced in a certain way, and it was a limited understanding
of that level.

A: Laura, unblock, do rocks and plants "see" you?

Q: (J) Probably not. (D) We don't really know. (T) We see the 3rd
density manifestations of 1st density objects. We don't see the 1st
density perception of itself. So, how do we see the 4th density
manifestations, they see us on a 4th density level... not necessarily
as we perceive ourselves.

A: T***, you are making rapid progress. Laura better watch her Butt! [laughter]

Q: (V) So, I am curious... what do rocks look like to each other? (L)
Let's ask. What do rocks see when they look at each other?

A: They sense each other.

Q: (L) What example of our sensory apparatus would be close to an
example of what a rock senses when it is aware of another rock?

A: That is a cross conceptualization and will not work.

Q: (L) So there is no way we can interpret what a rock senses. Well,
another 1st density example is plants. We know that plants can
react positively to certain persons and negatively to others. They
have experimented with hooking them up to polygraph machines
and measured these responses. (J) They also react to music... (T)
Third density reactions...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If plants interact with each other, do they feel, say, fondness
for one another?

A: Something akin to that.

Q: (L) Does it hurt a plant when we eat it?

A: Does it hurt you when a "Lizzie" eats you?

Q: (T) Yes, you see, on 4th density... we are on 3rd density and we
eat 1st and 2nd density, the 4th density eats us. (D) If we hurt plants
by eating them like the
Lizzies hurt us when they eat us, how are we to survive without
eating?

A: When you no longer crave physicality, you no longer need to
"eat."

I also think rocks are living beings. It's just difficult for us to understand their way of being from our own 3D point of view. As a child I would talk a lot with stones, but that may be my great imagination as a child :p Gladly I never stopped seeing them as ''living beings''.
 
Interesting...so "1D" would have been a more appropriate category for this topic, but I don't think there is one?

I think I learned to "hear" rocks when I was taught how to select stones (Grandfathers) for use in an Inipi (Lakota Sweat Lodge) The Inipi is one of the Ceremonies the Lakota can/do share with non Indians, and I am blessed to have some wonderful Indian friends who practice this Ceremony and have allowed me to attend.

Part of the process is gathering stones to be used in the Lodge, and these stones essentially give their lives for the Lodge, so you are supposed to ask them if they wish to make this sacrifice.

I was under the (erroneous) assumption that this "asking" process was a way to show respect for the stones, and Nature in general...until one said "No!" in the deepest tone I've ever heard. It did not want to die, it did not want to sacrifice itself for the Lodge, and it let me know when I asked...at least that's what it sounded like to me.

Well you could have knocked me over with a feather. Since then, if I clear my mind of static I can often hear a "No! and occasionally a "Yes" when gathering Grandfathers. Their tone is so deep it's felt as much as it's heard.
 
quote from Guardian:

Interesting...so "1D" would have been a more appropriate category for this topic, but I don't think there is one?

I think I learned to "hear" rocks when I was taught how to select stones (Grandfathers) for use in an Inipi (Lakota Sweat Lodge) The Inipi is one of the Ceremonies the Lakota can/do share with non Indians, and I am blessed to have some wonderful Indian friends who practice this Ceremony and have allowed me to attend.

Part of the process is gathering stones to be used in the Lodge, and these stones essentially give their lives for the Lodge, so you are supposed to ask them if they wish to make this sacrifice.

I have a friend who was made a chief by the Lakota. During his apprenticeship, I participated in many Innipi ceremonies - then none for a long time - and then a few in the last several years.

I have seen the stones when the ceremony is over; and sacrifice is exactly the word that describes what they have been through. Everything is alive, and everything gives of itself - "even" a stone- so that something else can live or evolve.

And for each sacrifice, for each stone that gives itself to the intense heat of the fire, gratitude is shown, thanks is given, and balance is restored between those that gave and those that benefited.
 
webglider said:
And for each sacrifice, for each stone that gives itself to the intense heat of the fire, gratitude is shown, thanks is given, and balance is restored between those that gave and those that benefited.

That's how I understand it too. We also lay down tobacco when gathering the stones, as a way of saying "thank you"

I've seem similar customs and practices in other cultures too. However, honoring the stone's free will in concept is one thing, actually hearing that free will expressed is quite another.

About the only thing that keeps me from thinking I'm just imagining it is other folks who've participated in the practice for a very long time "hear" the stones too.
 
That's pretty wild. Hearing a definite answer from the stones.

In "Esoteric Science" it is said that everything in existence is alive / a living being and connected to everything else in existence. That's how it is presented in Fourth Way teachings, as well as the C's material. It's just that "the vibrations / frequency" of consciousness gets slower and slower as it goes down the levels of density, and at 1st density, the consciousness seems almost non-existent. Another way of looking at it is that things become more and more mechanical -- that is they operate more and more strictly on physical laws (and "species laws," so to speak), as you go down the densities.

Also, I was under the impression that some plant life was second density and some are on the "boundaries" of 1st and 2nd. I'm pretty sure I've read that somewhere on these sights, maybe in more than one place. That's how I remembered it. Like microorganisms would be 1st density, some plant life would be like a bridge from 1st to 2nd and perhaps certain trees would be 2nd density?

Also there's lots written about the "magical" qualities of stones (as well as water) by Laura in her written works -- both books and online. Lots written about the ancient megalithic structures blanketing the planet and what their function was, etc.
 
There is another relevant session about this


07-10-99

Q: (A) There are several people who essentially think the same direction as we have been discussing... they are almost on the same track. Matti Pitkanen is one of them and Tony Smith is the other. How can these two guys have these similar ideas without having access to channeling?
A: Who said that they have no access to channeling? Some channel without knowing it.

Q: (L) Well, JW channels! [laughter] (A) Today, on this list there was a guy by the name of Boyd who talks about his shamanistic experiences in talking to rocks. He doesn't sound whacko, but he talks to these stones on a daily basis and these stones talk to him, and these rocks have consciousness, they have memories. I wrote to him, but I would like to know if his experiences are authentic and not just his imagination?
A: That is a very broad question, which assumes limits or barriers where none may exist.

Q: (L) Is anyone able to tune into the consciousness of rocks?
A: What if they are really tuning to a consciousness through the rocks?

Q: (A) To A consciousness? Whose consciousness or what consciousness? Universal consciousness?
A: Another.

Q: (A) Another consciousness. (L) Do rocks have consciousness?
A: Refer to material re: 1st density.

Q: (L) Yes, well it has been previously said that 1st density does have consciousness... that even rocks have consciousness and can learn. That brings us back to Boyd, is he, can he, does he tune into the consciousness of rocks and/or other consciousnesses THROUGH rocks?
A: The latter is closer.

Q: (L) So, the consciousness of a rock might not be amenable to communicating.
A: Right.

Q: (L) What other consciousness might a person tune into through a rock? ANY other or a specific other?
A: Closer to former.

Q: (A) If there is consciousness, it means that there is a consciousness unit, and this conscious unit can be within or associated with some body of some density. Can one
tune to consciousness that resides, so to say, in higher densities than third, using rocks? Is it possible?
A: Close.
 
Guardian said:
Wasn't sure exactly where to put a "Can we converse with rocks" thread...but I'm thinking 2D might fit?

I currently believe that rocks are living beings just like trees, plants, etc., and they can communicate if they want to. They're part of the same "collective consciousness" that I think envelopes all life on Earth, and perhaps beyond?

To me, they communicate in tones, VERY LOW tones...as low as any I've ever perceived. Of course I also realize that it might just be my imagination?

Anyone else tried chatting with the "Rock People" or "Grandfathers" as they are called in many Indigenous cultures?

Well, I've not tried chatting with rock people per se, but I had a very interesting experience in the mid-1980s. Over Christmas in 1985 I stayed for a week with a group of people in an isolated farmhouse in a remote valley in Wales. The place was magical, unspoilt and breathtakingly beautiful. The ground around the house was littered with pieces of quartz of various sizes, the largest about the size of a baby's head. On my next-to-last day there as I was falling asleep I mentally stated to nature that I would like a piece of this quartz rock to take home with me.

The next morning, my last there, I was walking in the grounds of the house when a piece of quartz presented itself to me. It was about the size of a fist. I felt an instant connection with this stone. It spoke – or called - to me! Strangely this stone was in a place where I had walked many times but I had never before seen this particular piece. If I was being fanciful about it, I could say that it rose up through the ground overnight so that I would find it in the morning. I still have it on a bookshelf in my living room, and it serves as a connection to that beautiful unspoilt land.
 
SeekinTruth said:
Also, I was under the impression that some plant life was second density and some are on the "boundaries" of 1st and 2nd. I'm pretty sure I've read that somewhere on these sights, maybe in more than one place. That's how I remembered it. Like microorganisms would be 1st density, some plant life would be like a bridge from 1st to 2nd and perhaps certain trees would be 2nd density?

I think it makes more sense to view all cell-based lifeforms as 2D. Cells form the primary design platform for all forms of life, i.e. the lowest common denominator of anything we commonly refer to as 'living'. This is akin to the difference between inorganic chemistry (1D) and organic, directed chemistry (2D+). Densities are nested, one built 'on top of' and comprising those 'below' it. So 2D has a 1D substrate, and 3D has both a 1D substrate and a 2D substrate. That's what makes sense to me, at least, but maybe I am wrong.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
I think it makes more sense to view all cell-based lifeforms as 2D. Cells form the primary design platform for all forms of life, i.e. the lowest common denominator of anything we commonly refer to as 'living'. This is akin to the difference between inorganic chemistry (1D) and organic, directed chemistry (2D+). Densities are nested, one built 'on top of' and comprising those 'below' it. So 2D has a 1D substrate, and 3D has both a 1D substrate and a 2D substrate. That's what makes sense to me, at least, but maybe I am wrong.

Been reading "The 5th Option", I perceive...

I would say that such a book is useful for even a discussion about rocks.
 
Rocks simply haven't learned to serve the Creator by animating "themselves". One must be even more patient with "them" than one is with 2D.

Guardian, I don't think rocks are able to express "opinion" because rocks are just individual "atoms" that were squashed together by coincidence. Refer to Session 10 July 1999 where Boyd's experiences with rocks were discussed:
Q: (L) Yes, well it has been previously said that 1st density does have consciousness... that even rocks have consciousness and can learn. That brings us back to Boyd, is he, can he, does he tune into the consciousness of rocks and/or other consciousnesses THROUGH rocks?

A: The latter is closer.

Q: (L) So, the consciousness of a rock might not be amenable to communicating.

A: Right.

So, possibly you were tuning in to "Mother Nature"/Earth's "resonance", which your brain translated into "Yes/No" signals because you were unconsciously dowsing.

We can just look at rocks as useful starting material, rather than as "friends". Rocks with crystalline structure can be used for communication, recording time/history, etc. The Matrix wants us to think rocks are useless lumps of dirt. Look how Modern "Science" initially resisted the idea of quartz watches, for example.
 
Fascinating. I really like different types of rocks, I have a small collection in fact. They're mostly just shiny standards, cat's eye, malachite, a big chunk of quartz, this white marbly looking gem... I really enjoy their company. Sometimes I charge them with Reiki and give them a purpose, I never really thought that much of it before. It just seemed like a natural thing to do. Simple stuff though, 'protection', 'healing', that sort of thing.

I have some plants in my bedroom too, they're good company, not to mention the humidifying and air purifying they do. I never really thought of them as 'conscience', given the way we use the term, they aren't exactly.

I never thought of communicating with them... what does one say to a rock? ...I seem to have a natural rapport with dogs however.
 
Puck said:
I never thought of communicating with them... what does one say to a rock?

From what I was told, it's more of a matter of them wanting and learning to communicate with us, and they learn (from each other) how to do it for survival? What seemed like an incredibly low tone to me would be as high a tone as they could get to, and not all can?

I've even heard of sort of a "translator" where one stone will communicate "No!" for another stone which can't?
 
Approaching Infinity said:
I think it makes more sense to view all cell-based lifeforms as 2D. Cells form the primary design platform for all forms of life, i.e. the lowest common denominator of anything we commonly refer to as 'living'. This is akin to the difference between inorganic chemistry (1D) and organic, directed chemistry (2D+). Densities are nested, one built 'on top of' and comprising those 'below' it. So 2D has a 1D substrate, and 3D has both a 1D substrate and a 2D substrate. That's what makes sense to me, at least, but maybe I am wrong.

That's interesting. I tend to think of the densities as a musical scale, but if I try to visualize them, I 'see" the model of a planet, 1D would be the core, 2D the mantel, 3D the crust, 4D the stratosphere, 5D the mesosphere, 6D, thermosphere, 7D the exosphere
 
Guardian said:
Wasn't sure exactly where to put a "Can we converse with rocks" thread...but I'm thinking 2D might fit?

I currently believe that rocks are living beings just like trees, plants, etc., and they can communicate if they want to. They're part of the same "collective consciousness" that I think envelopes all life on Earth, and perhaps beyond?

To me, they communicate in tones, VERY LOW tones...as low as any I've ever perceived. Of course I also realize that it might just be my imagination?

Anyone else tried chatting with the "Rock People" or "Grandfathers" as they are called in many Indigenous cultures?

Sure. I used to go to a quarry to find Grandfathers for Sweat...though for the folks who poured, we didn't consider the rocks as dying, as much as being a little loose around the edges. ;)

1D on through to 3D isn't as limited to the spirit, if that makes any sense?
 
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