Are Rocks 2D friends too?

Muxel said:
Rocks simply haven't learned to serve the Creator by animating "themselves". One must be even more patient with "them" than one is with 2D.

Could that be a bit of unintended hubris? According to Gurdjieff, rocks may have more "being" than most people. They certainly have a direct connection to Nature as Teacher.

Buddy said:
One must be silent to speak with stones.
 
Guardian said:
Approaching Infinity said:
I think it makes more sense to view all cell-based lifeforms as 2D. Cells form the primary design platform for all forms of life, i.e. the lowest common denominator of anything we commonly refer to as 'living'. This is akin to the difference between inorganic chemistry (1D) and organic, directed chemistry (2D+). Densities are nested, one built 'on top of' and comprising those 'below' it. So 2D has a 1D substrate, and 3D has both a 1D substrate and a 2D substrate. That's what makes sense to me, at least, but maybe I am wrong.

That's interesting. I tend to think of the densities as a musical scale, but if I try to visualize them, I 'see" the model of a planet, 1D would be the core, 2D the mantel, 3D the crust, 4D the stratosphere, 5D the mesosphere, 6D, thermosphere, 7D the exosphere

How about this: consciousness, sub-atomic particles, DNA, cells, mix, bake, & see who wakes up first? ;) Its one of those subjects I don't think any of us is going to understand in a deep way until we arrive in 4D. Our best guess may not even be wrong....does that make sense?

Or is this too simplistic? Spirit bleeds through everything, whether we're aware of it or not, osit.

What's the nature of a stone? It used to be my task to find rocks for Sweat back in the day, which was nice since I got to crawl around a rock quarry. (Something I love to do as a rock hound.) It was taught to me by friends, though I don't remember being taught that the rocks die, per se. I've sung to rocks and heard things back, though what it could actually be, I haven't a clue. Rocks remind me a lot of tuning forks, resonators, or even reflectors.
 
Guardian said:
That's interesting. I tend to think of the densities as a musical scale...

Now that's interesting! Just the other day, I was reminding myself that all reality is frequency; meaning, Nature doesn't make objects, she makes music! :)
 
Buddy said:
Guardian said:
That's interesting. I tend to think of the densities as a musical scale...

Now that's interesting! Just the other day, I was reminding myself that all reality is frequency; meaning, Nature doesn't make objects, she makes music! :)
And, remember from the Cs that we are part of the orchestra, each with our 'instrument' to play - our job is to get in tune with the upcoming frequency and with the rest of the orchestra. :)
 
Thanks for starting the thread Guardian,

It brought to mind a dream i had a few weeks back, i was walking location unknown, but then i saw this shiny object on the ground, and as soon as i saw it, i became conscious, & decided to pick it up, it was crystaline, but with a very high vibration as it had its own luminecence, & was in the shape of a parallelogram. Don't know why, but i decided to put it to my ears, and i heard the heartbeat of my physical body, i said WOW, but it might just be coincidence, i took it away from my ear, and the perception of my heartbeat went away as well, put it back to my ear, & i could hear my heart beating again clear as day.

The object definitely facilitated a clear channel transmission between my different states. So yes agree with the C's that you can tune into a consciousness using rocks, but this one helped me to tune in to my own consciousness, which is pretty cool osit.
 
Hmm, now that y'all mention music I'm reminded of a rock-field which was very close to where I grew up. It was called 'Ringing Rocks' because if you took a hammer to any of the rocks in the field they would ring.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringing_rocks

I recall there being some discussion if the iron content in those rocks being higher which was why they would ring, but apparently that was just local lore. If you read on in the wiki explanation it discusses the rocks being under internal elastic stress as the cause of ringing, but still it seems no solid, scientific explanation has been forthcoming.

That's been the only noise I've heard rocks make, and that has been in response to being whacked with a hammer, which in retrospect, isn't very respectful to the rocks. lol.

Never thought of them as 'alive', oh how little we know.
 
Talking to rocks does sound little bit too new agey for my ears. Nothing wrong with talking to objects, but when you hear them talk back... just does not sound too healthy :)

Besides, what are the chances of 1D understanding 3D, just seems too much of a gap (not to mention 1D expressing itself in 3D terms). Didn't it make you suspicious that it replied back in English ? Because if it takes rocks only 500 something years to learn English, then they are evolving at significantly faster rate then 2D or 3D.

Guardian said:
About the only thing that keeps me from thinking I'm just imagining it is other folks who've participated in the practice for a very long time "hear" the stones too.

Other people can possibly be prone to imagination as well. It's a relatively common thing among humans :)
 
agni said:
Talking to rocks does sound little bit too new agey for my ears. Nothing wrong with talking to objects, but when you hear them talk back... just does not sound too healthy :)

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." :)
 
It's not a talking back or a talking to in my opinion. Rocks (crystals, opals, lapis,), seem to convay something - at least to me. Not in English or anything similar to language. It's a feeling. I could never begin to discribe it, but the rocks I have collected over the years in the very least it's a sort of mirror. They seem to have a world of their own. Even a healing power. Maybe it's hogwash, but to me it's true.



Guardian said:
agni said:
Talking to rocks does sound little bit too new agey for my ears. Nothing wrong with talking to objects, but when you hear them talk back... just does not sound too healthy :)

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." :)
 
Dawn said:
It's not a talking back or a talking to in my opinion. Rocks (crystals, opals, lapis,), seem to convay something - at least to me. Not in English or anything similar to language. It's a feeling. I could never begin to discribe it, but the rocks I have collected over the years in the very least it's a sort of mirror. They seem to have a world of their own. Even a healing power. Maybe it's hogwash, but to me it's true.



Guardian said:
agni said:
Talking to rocks does sound little bit too new agey for my ears. Nothing wrong with talking to objects, but when you hear them talk back... just does not sound too healthy :)

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." :)

But feelings can be so subjective.
 
agni said:
But feelings can be so subjective.

Very true, but I don't usually hear feelings...I feel them. Totally different chunks of brain in action. Of course it's possible that various people have been hearing the same, shared "delusion" for thousands of years. I will be the first to admit that this is possible, regardless of how real it sounds to I and others...in fact, the possibility of being deluded always exists, with just about everything. So it's always important to look at the effect. In this case, I put down one stone, and pick up another...no harm done.

However, if we really are hearing what we think we're hearing, there could be harm done by putting a stone into the fire that didn't want to go? If Rock is a conscious being/entity that's gone to all the trouble of learning how to communicate in the way the people who essentially live on it can understand, for the sake of its own survival.... ignoring it would be very disrespectful.

On the other hand, if I am sharing a generational auditory hallucination with my friends, no harm is done by choosing a different stone. :)
 
After reading this thread, it is starting to make a little more sense why my friends and I were so fond of our 'pet rocks' as young children. I was likely much more open to such a connection at that time. Never really spent too much time thinking about 1st density like this until now, what a great perspective and discussion.

There are lessons to be learned, even in rock-talk. :lol:
 
Appreciate this post Guardian, read it last night and thought about it within the context of my own relationship to rock/stone.

Think as the C’s discussed, things can come trough Stone or utilize stone and Lethbridge discusses Stone or other objects as being a recorder. And similar to what has been written here by others, they (stone/rocks) are not conscious of what I am, just as my consciousness of what is above is unknown, however, i’ve generally been aware of rock in terms of feelings, not subjective thinking, just feeling that possibly reacts with neurochemicals - don't no, perhaps a kind of sensitivity to rocks recording or just its very primal matter that we don't understand enough about. For instance, in the mountains there are three main ranges adjacent; on east and two west, the east range is young rock and the west is significantly older. When on these ranges they have a completely different feeling, perhaps mimicking their history. Sometimes rock even has a distinct smell that attracts. There is a portion of a river i’ve come to know that only allows access in late September early October due to water forces or ice. It is a bit tricky getting in but once there what is revealed are stones carved by water like the most abstract sculpture one could make. This place and its stone speaks, it hums to feelings which convey no words.

When building a pond at home, have picked rock from around these ranges; some of it going back decades. Of the billions of pieces available, it was only the rock that somehow resonated, maybe like a 2d animal resonates when one senses it is on a graduating path to 3d. Anyway, no words or messages are conveyed other than its resonance, its feeling; maybe there is an electrical field to these things that produces this. Sometimes placing hands on stone there is nothing and sometimes there is attraction, like it speaks on some primal level that is welcomed. Rock has been my feet's best friend climbing amongst its kin and worst enemy where no foothold is safe, like it holds no attraction - not sure if anyone has noticed this, it can feel right or wrong underfoot?

Our history indeed shows that human beings have had a fascination with rock and stone; it can be useful on the one hand and it can be highly fundamental to their way of life on a spiritual level it seems.

Like others here, walking beaches and rivers, picking up stones, examining them and putting them back in their place has been a lifetime thing – why the attraction? Can only conclude that there is something about rock that holds something other than can be seen.

Came across this today and thought to post it along with the above.

Dans Maen = Stone Dance
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwD1MIyN0-E

The geomancers of old were Earth magicians who understood the mysterious currents running under the soil and were able to manipulate this energy to harmonise the land, bringing fertility and well being to the people.
Following in this tradition, award-winning new media artist David Bickley is transporting the form and atmosphere of a stone circle from the remote moors of West Cornwall and digitally rebuilding it with light and sound in Drogheda.
This piece, specially commissioned for the town's art centre, continues David's series of immersive installations under the heading An Index of Ritual Space, a series David has been working on since 1990.
Steve Hartgroves, Principal Archaeologist with Cornwall Council has called David in relation to this project, " a virtual Merlin".


Dans Maen is Cornish for "Stone Dance" and is the name given to a number of stone circles around the remote West Penwith area that also comprises Lands End in Cornwall. The name supposedly refers to the legend that maidens were turned to stone for dancing on a Sunday, an obvious Christianisation of a prehistoric site and its associated traditions.
In the early part of the last century, archaeologist TC Lethbridge visited one such site - the Merry Maidens. This is a near perfect circle of nineteen quartzite granite stones. He had with him a pendulum which he had learned to use for dowsing; he claims to have gotten the idea from a French nautical character who used it to find mines at sea. This idea to dowse for the energy lines, which the stones either map out or are based on, was probably influenced by the work of Guy Underwood who did much work mapping the underlying currents of many ancient sites and even cathedrals, which are all said to be built on even older significant sites or power spots. When Lethbridge started to dowse the circle he felt a very strong spiralling pull, a kind of magnetic field, he also said that the stones seemed to rock.

When I first saw this ancient circle, I was sitting in a vehicle with composer Steve Bayfield in a small lay-by looking up at their silhouettes on the moonlit hill. We both saw them appear to rock, then spin. Although I am definite that they didn't physically move I am sure that part of my being perceived their potential to do so, and the prevailing energies that might drive them.

This piece is about that time, though I have moved my focus to a more remote circle a few miles from the Merry Maidens called the Nine Maidens. This small, fragmented circle sits on top of wild moorland overlooking St Michael's Mount in an area known as Ding Dong...

David would like to acknowledge the generous support of Air South West and the Historic Environment Dept. Cornwall Council in the realisation of this project
 
voyageur said:
... in the mountains there are three main ranges adjacent; on east and two west, the east range is young rock and the west is significantly older. When on these ranges they have a completely different feeling, perhaps mimicking their history. Sometimes rock even has a distinct smell that attracts. ... what is revealed are stones carved by water like the most abstract sculpture one could make. This place and its stone speaks, it hums to feelings which convey no words.
... Rock has been my feet's best friend climbing amongst its kin and worst enemy where no foothold is safe, like it holds no attraction - not sure if anyone has noticed this, it can feel right or wrong underfoot?

Our history indeed shows that human beings have had a fascination with rock and stone; it can be useful on the one hand and it can be highly fundamental to their way of life on a spiritual level it seems.

Like others here, walking beaches and rivers, picking up stones, examining them and putting them back in their place has been a lifetime thing – why the attraction? Can only conclude that there is something about rock that holds something other than can be seen.
I resonate with all that you've written here voyageur. :) The attraction is at a deep, deep level, that keeps pulling me back to visit. And, remembering to put stones back exactly where and how I found them, so that 'their' 'journey' and 'learnings' remain in the place that they are in/at.
 
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