Aspartame

[the rabbit]

Jaye wrote;

I tried hiding the stuff from the person who is using it and they started going through the kitchen looking for it as if it was some missing drug stash. They then got in the car and went to the grocery store to buy some more. This after repeated attempts to inform the said party of aspartame's dangers.


I understand your frustration at seeing a friend being like this,though has this person asked for your help?
Your hiding of the aspartame only made them go out and buy more. I had a friend who lives in Germany and he was feeding liquid fluoride on a teaspoon to his new born baby because the doctors recommended it. Man i nearly freaked,but i remained calm (unusual for me) I asked him if he had read up on anything regarding fluoride. He just went rigid and stiff (defensive mode) then said "i dont want to hear of any of your wierd ideas"

end of converstion.

He always thought me wierd and we no longer communicate. But hey its his buisness.

 

[Adaryn]

I had a friend who lives in Germany and he was feeding liquid fluoride on a teaspoon to his new born baby because the doctors recommended it. Man i nearly freaked,but i remained calm (unusual for me) I asked him if he had read up on anything regarding fluoride. He just went rigid and stiff (defensive mode) then said "i dont want to hear of any of your wierd ideas"

Poor baby. Yeah fluoride is what the doctors recommend, still today. As a child, I was loaded with fluoride. Add on top of that the whole lot of (compulsory and optional - but strongly recommended) vaccinations and it's a miracle your mental and physical capacities develop in their best potential once you reach adulthood.
Fluoride is known to make people tame and obedient, just as the anti-tuberculosis vaccination - the one that is made out of calf
serum.
The best way to turn people into passive bovines!

I know a good toothpaste powder to replace common toothpaste - without any poisonous product in it : it's called Per Blan - it has xylitol in it, and it's even suited for children - you can order online from this site (unfortunately only to Europe and DOM-TOM(French overseas department)):
http://www.premiersens.com/product_info.php?products_id=602

 

[Guest]

You can tell your local dentist that you don't want any fluoride used if he/she is cleaning your teeth. They look at you as if your nuts, but it's your right. I haven't had a dentist yet refuse. Then again, I don't have to go to the dentist much since I labeled all sweets and soda as 'garbage' in my mind years ago.
Refined sugar in general is like a drug. It also kills your taste buds so you can't taste anything BUT sugar (same for aspertame.). It's one of the reasons it's so hard to get off the stuff. You try to eat normal food, but you can't TASTE it. Thats why alot of young people say that most 'health foods' (aka, natural foods.) taste like cardboard. It DOES to them...
When I go to visit my folks, I usually get my teeth cleaned at my parent dentist. He knows the score about fluorida. I remember sitting in his chair and him saying that, despite all of his beliefs, my mothers avoidance of fluoride seemed to be IMPROVING her teeth. My fathers as well, who went to the same dentist. I opened my mouth for the first time for him and he said 'jeeze, you've got great teeth!" I smiled at him "I have never used fluoride either." I answered.
My parents have a herb and vitamins mailorder company in the states. You can get excellent, non-fluoride toothpaste and mouthwash from them. Call toll free 1866-866-3320.

 

[John Chang]

There is another source of fluoride exposure that I recently learned of: dental composite resins/ polymers/ ionomers.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fillings - only the ionomers release fluoride. I dunno which is worse - mercury or fluoride. I swear, people will look back on this age, and shake their heads at the brutish ignorance.

I guess we don't bleed people to death to cure them like in the really bad old days, but we have a long long way to go.

 

[John Chang]

I had a friend who lives in Germany and he was feeding liquid fluoride on a teaspoon to his new born baby because the doctors recommended it. Man i nearly freaked,but i remained calm (unusual for me) I asked him if he had read up on anything regarding fluoride. He just went rigid and stiff (defensive mode) then said "i dont want to hear of any of your wierd ideas"

end of converstion.

He always thought me wierd and we no longer communicate. But hey its his buisness.

I have a "friend" who took his kids to the doctor shortly after they were born for a checkup, and she stressed the importance of fluoride in the water. She asked for a sample of the local tap water to make sure it had that wholesome fluoride in it that his growing kids will need. And if it didn't (it did) she was prepared to prescribe that liquid fluoride that you described.

I told him and his wife that you'd better read on the internet about fluoride, and think about what you're doing to your kids, and got pretty much the same defensive reaction. Oh, you're being nutty, there's nothing wrong with it - the officials wouldn't allow it otherwise.

Oh well. We all gotta do, what we all gotta do. I'll do things my way and he can do things his. Knowing what I know now about things, I'm not sure I'd ever want to bring someone into this world without having a serious talking to them about it before they dropped in.

 

[manitoban]

This is slightly off topic, so forgive my rant - but I took my son to his first day of pre-school this week, and the first thing the teacher gave me was a handout strongly recommending that he get a flu shot. All the other parents were nodding and saying how they have been giving their kids at least 2 flu shots a year for a while now. It was hard, but I didn't say anything, - as the Rabbit said, its their business - but man it is frustrating!

 

[Guest]

a quick search on the internet and I found what I was looking for:

From: http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/fluoride.html


Ionic fluoride is not the same as the organic fluorine that contributes to bone and tooth health. Organic fluorine is present in a great many foods and, as it is protein bound, is poorly absorbed. Ionic fluoride is, in contrast, rapidly and completely absorbed by the stomach.

Even the enthusiasts recognise that fluoride is toxic at VERY small doses.

The history of fluoride

The concept of fluoridation (adding fluoride to foods and water) has been with us for decades. Some clever scientists noticed that organic fluorine is required with calcium for healthy teeth and bones.

Extrapolating this, the scientists decided that more fluorine may mean more healthy teeth, (although they couldn't prove this) and suggested that water supplies be "enhanced" with ionic fluoride, which is not the same compound and has different health effects!

Coincidentally, the scientists worked for large paper and aluminium manufacturers, whose industrial processes produce large amounts of....you guessed it, fluoride!




FluorINE is an important mineral necessary for proper balance of the body.

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/fluorine.html:

fluorine is a trace element that is found in a great variety of foods, in VERY small amounts. This type of organic fluorine should not be confused with the ionic form fluoride, which is a poison and is considered separately.

The organic form of fluorine is closely involved with calcium and molybdenum in the formation of calcium fluorapatite, which contributes to healthy teeth and bones. this form of fluorine is present in tiny amounts in most foods, but is particularly abundant in seafoods, kelp and tea.

Unfortunately, this use of organic fluorine has led the the acceptance of the use of fluoride in water and toothpastes. fluoride is a poison that does not contribute to bone and tooth health and causes flurosis (fluoride poisoning) in even very small doses (mc uh smaller than is present in many waters and toothpastes).


Tell your friend that dentistry is a BUSSINESS. They make more money drilling holes in the teeth they helped decay than not having you come to them at all.

 

[jaye]

"Fluoride is known to make people tame and obedient"

yes-it shuts down the will center of the brain-and perhaps asperTAME does the same thing. god knows what the two combined do. one would embalm themselves obdediently I suppose,

 

[OneSoul]

Following your point, Prayers for rain, that fluoride is known to make people tame and obedient, I first heard about this in a seminar in 1980. As it was described then, the presenter said that its continued ingestion even at low levels diminished the person's will and ability to think and act independently. He said that this effect was well known and intentional by TPTB, in their insistance on getting it into the water supply of as many people as they could. Since then I've lost count of the number of people who have simply laughed it off and dismissed this fact when I tried to explain it.

And as you mentioned, GreyCat, the C's shared with Ark a way to counteract its effects. To me it's another example of finding confirmation of many truths learned elsewhere, and beyond that, it's a bonus also to find that the C's will inform us of the antidotes to many of these poisons in the modern world.

 

[the rabbit]

Hi
Just thought i would post the first link i came across regarding stevia

http://www.stevia.net/

Ive tried to get it in europe,though i can only find it as a tea here where i am...it is about 400 times sweeter than sugar,is a plant and apparantly ok for diabetics.Takes a little getting use to but one eventually gets there. Thankfully i picked some up in Canada on my travels.You only need a very tiny amount and i still have plenty left...

As far as vacs go which manitoban mentioned, i also remember reading that most human beings suffer from some degree of autism due to being vaccinated.Wish i could give links for references for all this. I read all these things many years ago when i was only concerned about my good self so never kept a journal and notes on such things.

 

[Charles]

The history of fluoride

The concept of fluoridation (adding fluoride to foods and water) has been with us for decades. Some clever scientists noticed that organic fluorine is required with calcium for healthy teeth and bones.

Extrapolating this, the scientists decided that more fluorine may mean more healthy teeth, (although they couldn't prove this) and suggested that water supplies be "enhanced" with ionic fluoride, which is not the same compound and has different health effects!

Coincidentally, the scientists worked for large paper and aluminium manufacturers, whose industrial processes produce large amounts of....you guessed it, fluoride!

Actually, I remember how those "clever scientists" had noticed that a tooth with carries has way more fluori d e than a healthy tooth. Fluorine was never measured; the element was detected in an inorganic way. It was concluded within that same scientific article coming from one obscure dentist that "this must be the body's mechanism to try to cope with the infected tooth". And yes, it was indeed at a time that mountains of toxic fluoride waste were being built up. Cattle got sick and died, people got sick. Compensation was expected. And the article appeared as if by magic. A new myth was born. Now they were receiving money for the fluoridation of tap water and what not, instead of having to pay for its disposal and safe containment.
Analogous as the erroneous conclusion put forward in the article one could also follow the line of "thinking" that if a sick dog is infested with lice, as compared to a healthy dog that has none, it thus follows that the lice must be the sick dog's mechanism to get rid of the sickness :D (<-- white teeth huh, just like Simba, the second movie)

FluorINE is an important mineral necessary for proper balance of the body.

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/fluorine.html:

fluorine is a trace element that is found in a great variety of foods, in VERY small amounts. This type of organic fluorine should not be confused with the ionic form fluoride, which is a poison and is considered separately.

I don't believe one iota about the fluorine being an important trace mineral.
There is NO proof whatsoever. When nuclear bombs were tested all over the world there was a lot of radioactive strontium falling out of the skies, on the grass, eaten by cows, and ending up in the milk. It was incorporated into our bone structuren, the same apatite that is mentioned in the article. Do we need it ?

However, we can keep any further discussion ON HOLD as there does not seem to be anything we can DO with this information. You see, I think that there is so much fluoride these days that more than enough will become conjugated in an organic "fluorine" form. And also, that same site states that ...

Symptoms of fluorine deficiency
Highly unlikely
Association with other minerals and vitamins
Forms calcium fluoropatite (tooth and bone structure) with calcium, aided by molybdenum
Normal amounts of fluorine in the diet

There is no safe daily dose of fluoride. Organic fluorine, due to its presence in soil, water, plants and animals is required as a trace element, but supplementation is not necessary.
Sources of dietary fluorine
Mussels and other shellfish
Kelp
Tea
fluorine supplements
Not necessary

So what is the point of mentioning it ? On that site I mean. Any new products going through some pipeline ???

 

[innxit]

In 1970 the FDA bands the artificial sweetener cyclamate based on a flawed 1969 study. The extreme carelessness and absurdity in which these tests were done makes one wonder if these pseudo scientists are being paid to produce results which will cause the banning of perfectly safe alternatives by people heavily invested in the sugar industry.

Check this short write up on cyclamate:

http://www.highbeam.com/library/docFree.asp?DOCID=1G1:14536865

If I'm reading the last line properly, one would have to ingest 170lbs of the sweetener daily before detrimental effects ( shrinking of testicles ) would first appear.

From another article on saccharin:
'The Canadian researchers fed the rats the equivalent of 800 .bottles of diet soda- a day. an intake which corresponds to 140 pounds of saccharin a year. Tests based on such evidence are of doubtful validity. Furthermore. recent experiments in New York failed to demonstrate a relationship between saccharin and bladder cancer in primates. And a British study concluded that diabetics, who consume more artificial sweeteners than do nondiabetics. were no more susceptible to bladder cancer.'
Link to article:
http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_097/TECH_V097_S0092_P004.txt

This next article is a short history of the artificial sweeteners. It really shows how bad aspartame is to the human body. It even mentions Donald Rumsfeld's connection.
Cyclamates are harmless according to this article:
"In 1978 Health and Welfare Canada declared a general agreement that cyclamates were no carcinogenic,..."

Here's the link:
http://www.articledelight.com/article10182.html

And lastly an informative article on all kinds of sweeteners:
http://www.storknet.com/ip/nutritional_challenges/cautions/sweeteners.html


I've been using 'Sugar-Twin' ( Dextrose, sodium cyclamate (32%) ) for years. I haven't read any articles which prove it harmful. So I'll keep on using it until I do.

 

[aurora]

John Chang wrote:
I really need to find something other than teflon to cook my rice in, that's about the only real source of fluoride left in my life. If anyone directly connected with the C's would like to ask about teflon, I'd appreciate it. Maybe others would too.

John, you can use a stainless steel pot but you should add boiling water to rice and then turn down the flame real low ( I add 1.5 water to 1 rice but some rice absorb more water and some less)and wait until all the water is absorbed and small round depressions form on top of the rice (this is how pilav is made - you can add real tomato juice, just grate one tomatoe and add a little butter or virgin olive oil)

 

[Isabel]

For me, the definitive expose of fluoridation was:

The Greatest Fraud Fluoridation, by Philip RN Sutton, 1996, ISBN 0949491128

When I understood that all of the original studies were sans reliability or validity, I think I fully comprehended the enormity of the lie foisted upon us. In New Zealand, for too long we had a minister of "health" who [I think :( ] would have been comfortable in Goebbel's company! I wrote to her several times about both fluoride dangers & aspartame to no avail. Although no longer ostensibly Min. of "health", behind the scenes, she is still striving to flout an across-parliamentary select committee decision to NOT tie N.Z. to Australia re the Oceania branch of Codex Alimentarius. Isabel

 

[rrraven]

fluoride-bromide are next to each other
in the periodic table i think and i remember
my mother telling me that they used to
put bromide in the water in prisons and
army barracs -to keep the inmates quiet.
also see session 980314
A:It IS true that one is wise not to trust bold proclamations from your "mainstream"
medical system,as these are motivated by intense STS energy.Also,they have proven to be wrong far more often than right. It is perhaps wise for one to reserve visits and consultations with the above mentioned
"establishment" to the instances of physical
trauma,and life threatening emergencies,as this is the "place" for said entities.
Chronic conditions and wellness ,prevention,etc.,these
are the realms of the homeopaths and Naturopaths,all paths inspired by 4D STO.
the C's.
teflon- I like cooking with fire-proof glass
and cast-iron cookware RRR