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[seek10]

Since Arcturus is approximately 36.7 light years from Earth and the Cs also said Venus was from 19 light years away, maybe that "near" part needs to be questioned? What does "near" mean to the Cs?

we have to consider solar system travel through space considered during this time - for both our solar system and Arcturus system. This along with angle of movements and 'whole 9 yards' of variables we have no idea. As per Grok, Solar system travels 61.38 light years in 80,000 years.

how much solar system travels in space in 80,000 years in terms of light years?

To determine how far the Solar System travels through space in 80,000 years in terms of light years, we need to consider its motion relative to a specific reference frame, calculate the distance traveled, and convert that distance into light years. Here’s a step-by-step explanation:

### 1. **Understand the Solar System’s Motion**
The Solar System moves through the Milky Way galaxy in an orbit around the galactic center. The primary motion relevant to this question is the Solar System’s orbital velocity relative to the galactic center, as this is the dominant large-scale motion through space. Other motions (e.g., relative to the cosmic microwave background or local stellar neighbors) are less commonly used for such calculations but could be considered for completeness.

- **Orbital Velocity Around the Galactic Center**: The Solar System orbits the Milky Way’s center at an approximate speed of **230 kilometers per second (km/s)**, based on current astronomical data. This is equivalent to about **828,000 kilometers per hour (km/h)** or **2.3 × 10⁸ meters per second (m/s)**.
- **Reference Frame**: For simplicity, we’ll calculate the distance traveled relative to the galactic center, assuming a roughly circular orbit. The actual path is slightly more complex due to the galaxy’s spiral structure and minor perturbations, but a straight-line approximation based on velocity is standard for such estimates.

### 2. **Calculate Time in Seconds**
To compute the distance, we need the time in seconds for consistency with the velocity units.

- **80,000 years**:
- 1 year ≈ 365.25 days (accounting for leap years).
- 1 day = 24 hours × 60 minutes × 60 seconds = 86,400 seconds.
- 1 year ≈ 365.25 × 86,400 ≈ 31,557,600 seconds.
- 80,000 years ≈ 80,000 × 31,557,600 ≈ **2.524608 × 10¹² seconds**.

### 3. **Calculate Distance Traveled**
Distance is calculated as **distance = velocity × time**.

- **Velocity**: 230 km/s = 2.3 × 10⁵ meters per second.
- **Time**: 2.524608 × 10¹² seconds.
- **Distance** = (2.3 × 10⁵ m/s) × (2.524608 × 10¹² s) ≈ **5.8065984 × 10¹⁷ meters**.

### 4. **Convert Distance to Light Years**
A light year is the distance light travels in one year, where the speed of light is **c = 299,792,458 m/s**.

- **Distance light travels in 1 year**:
- 1 year ≈ 31,557,600 seconds.
- Distance = 299,792,458 m/s × 31,557,600 s ≈ **9.46073 × 10¹⁵ meters**.
- **Light years traveled by the Solar System**:
- Distance traveled = 5.8065984 × 10¹⁷ meters.
- Light years = (5.8065984 × 10¹⁷) / (9.46073 × 10¹⁵) ≈ **61.38 light years**.

### 5. **Considerations and Context**
- **Orbital Path**: The Solar System’s orbit around the galactic center takes about **225–250 million years** (a “galactic year”). In 80,000 years, it completes only a tiny fraction of this orbit (80,000 / 225,000,000 ≈ 0.00036 of an orbit). The distance calculated (61.38 light years) is the arc length along this orbit, approximated as a straight-line displacement for simplicity.
- **Other Motions**: The Solar System also moves relative to the Local Standard of Rest (LSR, the average motion of nearby stars) at about 20 km/s, or relative to the cosmic microwave background at ~370 km/s. Using the LSR velocity would yield a smaller distance (~5.3 light years), while the CMB velocity would yield a larger one (~113 light years). The galactic orbit velocity (230 km/s) is the standard choice for such questions.
- **Galactic Context**: The Milky Way’s diameter is ~100,000 light years, so 61.38 light years is a small but significant distance, roughly the scale of a local stellar neighborhood.

### 6. **Final Answer**
The Solar System travels approximately **61.38 light years** through space in 80,000 years, based on its orbital velocity around the Milky Way’s center (230 km/s).

But, As per Grok, the Arcturus system is 1.4 light years further away 80,000 years ago

### Was the Arcturus System Closer to the Solar System 80,000 Years Ago?

Yes, the Arcturus system (centered on the star Arcturus, α Boötes) was closer to our Solar System 80,000 years ago than it is today. Here's a step-by-step explanation of why, based on astronomical data about its position, motion, and relative trajectory.

#### 1. **Current Distance**
- Arcturus is currently about **36.7 light-years** (ly) from the Sun. This is a well-established measurement from missions like Hipparcos and Gaia, with a small margin of error (±0.23 ly).

#### 2. **Arcturus's Motion Relative to the Solar System**
- Arcturus moves at a high **total relative velocity** of approximately **122 km/s** (about 270,000 mph) with respect to the Sun. This is one of the fastest among bright stars, making its position change noticeable over long timescales.
- **Radial velocity** (line-of-sight component toward/away from us): **-5.24 km/s**. The negative sign means it's approaching the Solar System (blueshifted in spectra).
- **Transverse velocity** (sideways motion across the sky, from proper motion): About **121.4 km/s**. Its proper motion is **~2 arcseconds per year**, the highest among first-magnitude stars after α Centauri.
- This velocity vector indicates Arcturus is on a path that brings it **toward** the Solar System, passing relatively close before receding.

#### 3. **Trajectory and Closest Approach**
- Arcturus is currently **near its closest point** to the Solar System. It will reach **periastron** (minimum distance) in about **4,000 years** from now (around AD 6025), when it will be only a few hundredths of a light-year closer (e.g., ~36.68 ly)—a tiny change due to the vast scale.
- This means **over the past 80,000 years**, Arcturus has been **approaching** us. It was farther away in the past and is still getting slightly closer.

#### 4. **How Much Closer Was It 80,000 Years Ago?**
To quantify the distance change, we calculate the **radial displacement** over 80,000 years using the radial velocity. (The transverse component contributes to the sideways shift but has a minimal direct effect on distance over this short timescale compared to the overall separation.)

- **Time interval**: 80,000 years ≈ 2.5246 × 10¹² seconds (using 1 year ≈ 31,557,600 seconds).
- **Radial approach distance** = radial speed × time = (5.24 km/s) × (2.5246 × 10¹² s) ≈ 1.323 × 10¹⁶ meters.
- Convert to light-years: 1 ly ≈ 9.461 × 10¹⁵ meters, so ≈ **1.40 ly**.

**Step-by-Step Calculation**:
- Speed in m/s: 5.24 km/s = 5,240 m/s.
- Distance = 5,240 × 2.5246 × 10¹² ≈ 1.323 × 10¹⁶ meters.
- Light-years = 1.323 × 10¹⁶ / 9.461 × 10¹⁵ ≈ **1.40 ly**.

- **Distance 80,000 years ago** ≈ current distance + radial displacement = 36.7 ly + 1.40 ly = **38.1 ly**.

This is an approximation assuming constant velocity (valid for 80,000 years, as gravitational influences are negligible over such a short galactic timescale). The actual change is slightly less due to the orbital geometry (the radial velocity peaks at closest approach), but the order of magnitude holds: it was **~1.4 ly farther away** 80,000 years ago.

#### 5. **Context and Implications**
- **Timescale Perspective**: 80,000 years is brief in astronomical terms—less than 0.04% of Arcturus's age (~7.1 billion years) or the Solar System's orbital period around the galactic center (~230 million years). The stars won't collide; their paths are skewed, and the minimum separation remains ~36.7 ly.
- **Visibility**: 80,000 years ago, Arcturus would have appeared slightly dimmer (magnitude ~−0.04 vs. today's −0.05) due to the greater distance, but still one of the brightest stars in the sky.
- **No Collision Risk**: Even at closest approach in 4,000 years, it's safely distant. In another ~500,000 years, it will recede enough to fade from naked-eye visibility.

#### Connection to Your Previous Question
Your prior query about the Solar System's travel distance (61 ly in 80,000 years at 230 km/s orbital speed) aligns here: Both systems move through the galaxy, but Arcturus's relative velocity (122 km/s) drives the changing separation. If you're exploring stellar dynamics (e.g., for data modeling or simulations), this highlights how proper motion and radial velocity data from Gaia can predict past/future positions.

In any case, C's said Venus as a "Ancient wanderer from near Arcturus.". i.e. it is not bounded by Arcturus system and it is 'near' Arcturus ( probably it is not from Arcturus system). I guess there are so many disturbances in the solar system, we may not be aware of all these variables OR
Long Long time before 80K YA , Venus as a rock nearer Arcturus, later floated around during its the interstellar travel.

 

[MK Scarlett]

Q: (L) Where did Venus originally come from?

A: 19 light years away.

Q: (L) So, it is actually an extra-solar system visitor?

A: Yes. [31]

Venus may originally come from 19 lights years away (more or less, we are not sure), it does not mean that Venus could not have been at a certain time a moon of Kantek, IMHO. In absolute terms, the answer indicates that Venus is “basically” an extra-solar system visitor, but does not tell us since when exactly Venus has been in the Solar System. Or so it seems to me.

Q: (L) Where did Venus get all its gases and clouds and so forth? What was its origin? Where did it get all this stuff?

A: Collected during fiery, friction filled journey and space matter in general.

Q: (L) Where was Venus originally from?

A: Ancient wanderer from near Arcturus.

About the first answer in bold, could all this 'stuff" have been collected during its journey which could include the explosion of Kantek? A journey of approximately 79,000 years through the Solar System allows for a great deal of matter to accumulate, IMHO, especially with all the ones resulting of an explosion occurring to a close, and bigger planet.
So, could Venus have first been ejected to the outer Solar System because of the Kantek explosion 79,000 years ago before returning much later to the inner Solar System with all the consequences we know?

And about the second answer in bold, could Venus have been, at first, an ancient wanderer from near Arcturus, like a very very long time ago, ("originally") whatever that means in terms of distance at the time or today, before to be attracted in the Solar system, then attracted by Kantek (naturally or not?), and then be throwned out of its orbit, and transformed into a comet because of its mother-planet explosion, and then traveling through the Solar system, acting like a comet, making seven close passages on Earth, and finally stabilizing between Earth and Mercury at the end of its "odyssey"?

 

[axj]

Long Long time before 80K YA , Venus as a rock nearer Arcturus, later floated around during its the interstellar travel.

Exactly, and since Venus was an ancient wanderer, it must have taken a while to travel the 19 ly from where Arcturus apparently was back then in relation to the solar system.

Venus may originally come from 19 lights years away (more or less, we are not sure), it does not mean that Venus could not have been at a certain time a moon of Kantek, IMHO.

The C's did say that Venus arrived 1000 years before the destruction of Kantek, but also that Venus was not involved in its destruction:

Q: (L) When did Venus enter the solar system?

A: 80000 years approximately.

Q: (L) How many close passes to the earth did Venus make?

A: Seven.

Q: (L) Was Venus involved with the planet Kantek which you said exploded due to psychic energies generated by its inhabitants?

A: No.

Q: (L) What was that planet known as?

A: Kantek.

Q: (L) When did that planet break apart into the asteroid belt.

A: 79 thousand years ago approximately.

So for a thousand years both Kantek and Venus were in the solar system, which is even more surprising than if Venus arrived shortly after - if there is something like 'cosmic balance' involved in a similar planet arriving just as another one is on the verge of being destroyed.

 

[seek10]

Exactly, and since Venus was an ancient wanderer, it must have taken a while to travel the 19 ly from where Arcturus apparently was back then in relation to the solar system.


The C's did say that Venus arrived 1000 years before the destruction of Kantek, but also that Venus was not involved in its destruction:



So for a thousand years both Kantek and Venus were in the solar system, which is even more surprising than if Venus arrived shortly after - if there is something like 'cosmic balance' involved in a similar planet arriving just as another one is on the verge of being destroyed.

session-18-october-1994

Q: (L) Is the solar system sort of a giant atom?

A: No. But similar; remember your atomic knowledge is still mostly theoretical.

Q: (L) Could the orbits of the planets be described as energy 'shells' such as the shells occupied by the various electrons around an atom?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Does the solar system, at different points in time absorb or emit energy and do planets move from one shell to another? And, does the nature of the solar system change what it "is" by adding or taking away bodies?

A: First, if a solar system adds or subtracts bodies then of course it changes. Next, the fundamental changes occur as a result of interaction with outside forces.

If Kantek is going to get destroyed, 'some body' ( probably 5D+ STO forces) has to introduce new body some way ( from a place where there is no time) so that solar system trajectory is not altered for the sake of critters on this solar system ( 1D to 6D). All this because of some 3D beings on a single planet chose to destroy themselves.
...

Q: (L) What outside forces?

A: Plane convergence.

Q: (L) What is plane convergence?

A: What will happen to earth.

Q: (L) Is this going to happen soon?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this plane convergence a phenomenon that occurs frequently in the universe, galaxy or solar system?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is it caused by or manifested by?

A: Passing through realm border.

Q: (L) What is a realm border?

A: Too complex.

Even the planets gets added every 300K years. Our 'great' science talk about 100's of millions of years for plate tectonics so that rulers can show their 'self importance'. i.e. every thing changes so much so fast, it is unbelievable.