AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?

@Keyhole,

Sorry I never responded back to this. It’s a lot to take in but I am so grateful you took the time to lay it all out. CIRS is no joke. It’s like treating a brain injury.

I’m still working out all the supplements and formulating our diets to lower the inflammation, some days are better than others but I have no choice but to be diligent. I’ll report back with my progress.
 
However, I'm in the process of making an Excel-sheet with the various herbs and supplements, and what they do. But this will take some time to be finished. This list could perhaps, in addition of getting knowledgeable about these things (by reading these books), be useful.
Did you ever get around to completing this excel spreadsheet?
 
A little update on my son’s CIRS battle, things have improved significantly but I don’t believe we’re back to baseline quite yet. His extreme emotions have left, we are back to normal two year old tantrums. However, his word recall is still limited at times.

He was negative for strep and I cannot get his pediatrician to give me a referral to a PANS clinic for further testing for co-infections. So I am just going with my gut (and trying to heal his gut). Using mastic gum currently to eliminate any possibility of h. pylori since he has taken waaaaay too many antibiotics this year.

I think a large part of his health issues (other than antibiotic abuse) and mine have stemmed from never fully remediating the mold. We moved but we brought all of that crap with us and into another house that has it’s fair share of mold issues, not just an obvious leaky roof. It’s kind of ironic that I formerly worked in biohazard remediation and am dealing with the effects of mold now. I guess you never really see things until you’re on the outside.

Anyway, that’s my update and I wanted to share this article that may be more appropriate for the covid thread but it does pertain to CIRS. It’s full of super fascinating information about the spike proteins and her own story of vaccine shedding basically creating CIRS in her mom. She also just wrote a blog post about why she gave up her medical license in California. Including that just because it’s worth a read.



 
In addition to the above, she also told me that her whole body itches and she has difficulty breathing. I asked her if by any chance she was bitten by a bug, and apparently she assures me that about a month ago during her stay in London, she noticed an itching in her arm.
I only just noticed your post, Tristan, but have you looked into the damage caused by oxalates? Recently, Keyhole made a few videos and I think they are super helpful (itching could be a sign of damage caused by oxalates, if I understand it correctly.




And there is more where that came from. Even if there is something else going on with your friend it's always useful to recognise and get rid of plant toxins, if she is open to changing her diet.

ATM, I'm looking into it and see if it helps eliminate certain aches and pains that I have been having for a long time (off and on, which as Keyhole explained could be linked to oxalates as these symptoms can be cyclic). I hope this helps!

Added: deleted shortness of breath...

Added2: symptoms can be cyclic (instead of: are cyclic)
 
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An interesting development:

3.5 Million Year Old Siberian Bacteria Boosts Longevity and the Immune System

3.5 million year old Bacillus F could improve longevity of humans
Experts have unlocked its DNA and are testing it on mice and human cells
Bacteria was found in 2009 embedded in ancient permafrost in Yakutia

Man has long dreamed of a mythical potion known as the ‘elixir of life’ which grants a drinker eternal youth.
Now Russian scientists claim to be making progress in adapting a 3.5 million year old ‘eternal’ bacteria named Bacillus F to improve the longevity of humans.
They revealed that they have unlocked the DNA of this cold-immune ‘scientific sensation’ and are now seeking to understand the genes which have allowed its extraordinary survival in the Siberian permafrost.

Tests on living organisms, notably human blood cells, mice, fruit flies and crops, all show a positive impact.

Professor Sergey Petrov, chief researcher at Tyumen Scientific Centre, said: 'In all these experiments, Bacillus F stimulated the growth and also strengthened the immune system.

'The experiments on human erythrocytes and leucocytes were also very optimistic.'

The bacteria was discovered in 2009 by Dr Anatoli Brouchkov, head of the Geocryology Department of Moscow State University.

It was embedded in ancient permafrost at a site known as Mammoth Mountain in the Sakha Republic, also known as Yakutia, the largest region in Siberia.

Similar bacteria were discovered by Siberian scientist Vladimir Repin in the brain of an extinct woolly mammoth preserved by permafrost.

'We did a lot of experiments on mice and fruit flies and we saw the sustainable impact of our bacteria on their longevity and fertility,' said Dr Brouchkov. 'But we do not know yet exactly how it works.'

For now 'we cannot understand the mechanism, but we see the impact'.

Epidemiologist Dr Viktor Chernyavsky said: 'The bacteria gives out biologically active substances throughout its life, which activates the immune status of experimental animals.'

Calling it a 'scientific sensation,' he said 'mice grannies not only began to dance, but also produced offspring'.

In future, the bacteria could improve the health of humans, leading to the discovery of an 'elixir of life', he said.

Another bacteria found in the permafrost allegedly has the ability to 'destroy petroleum molecules, turning them into water with the potential one day to create a new system for cleaning up oil spills,' The Siberian Times reported.

'A third strain of ancient bacteria is capable of eliminating cellulose molecules.'

Dr Brouchkov said: 'We want to understand the mechanisms of the protection of genome, the functioning of the genes.

'The key question is what provides the vitality of this bacteria, but it is as complicated as which human genes are responsible for cancer and how to cure it. The scale and complicity of the question are nearly the same.'

He said the permafrost where the bacteria was found is estimated to be around 3.5 million years old.

'This bacteria was isolated from the outer world in ice, so we are quite sure that this bacteria was kept in the permafrost for such a long time.

'Yet we are still working to prove this.'

He claimed: 'I would say, there exist (in the world) immortal bacteria, immortal beings. They cannot die, to more precise, they can protect themselves.

'Our cells are unable to protect themselves from damage.

'These bacteria cells are able to protect themselves.

'It would be great to find the mechanisms of protection from ageing, from damage and to use them to fight with our ageing.

'It's is the main riddle of mankind and I believe we must work to solve it.

'Now we have a key, ancient bacteria, which scientists have found in an extreme and ancient environment.'

Professor Petrov said that experiments show the bacteria 'stimulates the growth of crops, increases productivity'.

Frost resistance is also significantly improved, he added.

Read more: Ancient 'eternal' bacteria boosts longevity and the immune system

I'm really liking Russia these days - a country that is out to promote life & health rather than send us all back into the Dark Ages:
Russia Completely Bans GMOs in Food Production

To follow up with this fellow, Anatoli Brouchkov gave an online lecture in 2021 on bacteria living in extreme environments, such as salt deposits and prehistoric permafrost, and how they seem to have very interesting genetic properties and seem to impart stress resiliency to organisms inoculated with them. I've summarized below as best I could.


What's interesting about permafrost is that temperatures aren't low enough to freeze trapped bacterial cells (-3 to -7 degrees celsius, whereas bacteria freeze at -8 degrees). So we have bacteria still metabolically active for hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of years. Bacteria were able to make a calcium chloride film around their membranes to help maintain a lower freeze point in their substrate. Examining the permafrost found mostly Actinobacteria, with a much smaller subset being gammaproteobacteria and bacilli. Electron microscopy found evidence of the cells existing as single cells instead of in colonies or biofilms, as well as the existence of viable viruses in the permafrost.

There was an interesting comment on genetic entropy as well, where DNA damage (via depurination or removal of the nitrogenous base in a nucleotide, deamination, oxidation, or hydrolysis) occurs at a rate of ten thousand to one million molecular lesions per cell per day, if it were not for DNA repair mechanisms.

The lower temperatures of the permafrost reduce the incidence of DNA damage from thermal stress, but that in itself doesn't seem to sufficiently explain some other findings. Bacillus F, Brouchkov found, was more similar to Bacillus cereus, in spite of being separated by 3.5 million years in the permafrost, then some substrains of Bacillus cereus itself, although Bacillus F has the distinction of being non-pathogenic, lacking some pathogenic and cytotoxic genes. This is interesting because of how separated over time the two DNA reference samples are; given the time frame there should be a lot more mutations and damage. This lead Brouchkov to propose that Bacillus F had some molecular mechanisms to sharply reduce DNA damage and promote homeostasis over thousands or millions of years.

One Easter egg in the lecture were some electron micrographs of bacteria-like structures found in meteorites. Not only that, but there was an increase in the number of bacteria in the meteorite impact structure (Life in the lithosphere, kinetics and the prospects of life elsewhere, Volume: 369, Issue: 1936, Pages: 516-537, DOI: (10.1098/rsta.2010.0232). This would could indicate either dispersal of bacteria from the bolide or an increase in metabolism and functionality due to electromagnetic affects enabling hyperdimensional editing of their genomes.

In an experiment to test pathogenicity mice were inoculated with various dosages and administration methods of Bacillus F and Bacillus cereus (the pathogenic, non-permafrost version). This study could not determine the LD50 (the dosage required to kill 50% of test subjects) because none of the mice injected with the Bacillus F died, no matter the dose tested. Moreover there was found to be no accumulation of the microorganism in the organs or organ systems of the mice post-mortem. This led Brouchkov to conclude it's non-pathogenic and non-virulent.

In several experiments testing the effects of Bacillus F inoculation on drosophila and mice, they found inoculation stimulated the immune system, prolonged life, allowed strong resistance to stressors like alcohol and heat, and improved survival chances when inoculated with pathogens. One interesting effect found was an increase in strength in mice, but this was negatively correlated with the amount of cells injected (5000 bacteria led to a 60% increase in strength over the control group, 10,000 led to a 30% increase, and 50,000 led to about a 5% decrease in strength).

Male human volunteers who took Bacillus F as a food supplement found increases in blood testosterone levels, with the effect being more pronounced in aged individuals.

In spite of not yet identifying the molecular mechanism by which Bacillus F works, Brouchkov concludes that mechanisms of extreme survival exist in these bacteria, possibly including binding proteins to stabilize DNA over long periods of time, or just very efficient repair mechanisms, and that whatever it is these bacteria produce, it appears that benefits to longevity, immunity, and hormones appears to spread to organisms that either consume it or have it injected.

I would be really interested in asking the C's opinion on this. I wonder if these more ancient strains somehow preserve the benefits of DNA changes from cometary bombardments more than non-extremophile strains of bacteria, or of there is some type of information they are carrying due to their high-stress environments that homeopathically activates a lot of resiliency in our own DNA?

(this is a more recent lecture in Russian which as an interesting Q&A section at the end).
 
As @whitecoast just quoted a post of mine above, I clicked on it to see when it was posted - 2015! No wonder I didn't remember it! Interestingly enough was the very next post by Gaby:
In "Why Can't I Get Better", Richard Horowitz has seen bad results when increasing the Nitric Oxide system (NO) in certain conditions. Its great effects are known, but the deleterious effects should be addressed as well:

Talk about coincidence - I've been watching a vid about Nitric Oxide and the claim it's the solution to all disease! I'm only 18 min. in of an hour+ vid:


What I found really interesting is what is being said about stomach acid - I was going to see if I could post this vid for @Mrs. Peel as I believe she has been put on a proton inhibitor. However, after seeing Gaby's post, it would seem there's a lot more regarding NO to be cautious about.

I have to say, the extreme complexity of our biological systems are beyond extraordinary and we, in a sense, have only scratched the surface in light of what the Cs have indicated.
 
An interesting development:

3.5 Million Year Old Siberian Bacteria Boosts Longevity and the Immune System

3.5 million year old Bacillus F could improve longevity of humans
Experts have unlocked its DNA and are testing it on mice and human cells
Bacteria was found in 2009 embedded in ancient permafrost in Yakutia

Man has long dreamed of a mythical potion known as the ‘elixir of life’ which grants a drinker eternal youth.
Now Russian scientists claim to be making progress in adapting a 3.5 million year old ‘eternal’ bacteria named Bacillus F to improve the longevity of humans.
They revealed that they have unlocked the DNA of this cold-immune ‘scientific sensation’ and are now seeking to understand the genes which have allowed its extraordinary survival in the Siberian permafrost.

To which @whitecoast added, so started to look at the doctors discussions.

The region the Dr. focuses on is the Yakutia, and it is a highly interesting area. The area seems to have been ice free, when much to the east (the arctic and the rest of the ice sheet going south into the U.S., was deeply thick in ice. An area where the seas along the coast were much lower, and there appears that there were scattered societies trading and caring on.

So, when the good Dr., Anatoli Brouchkov, pegs the bacteria find as being 3.5 million years old in the region, is it? If one revisits Pierre's work on Flash Frozen Mammoths, perhaps these bacteria are not as old as he posits?

Recall what Pierre wrote:


The evidence above strongly suggests that the woolly mammoth was not a polar creature but a temperate one. Consequently, at the beginning of the Younger Dryas, 13,000 years ago, Siberia was not an arctic region but a temperate one.


16-April-2016
(Pierre) One last question: about the frozen mammoths. During the last session, we suggested that the cause of the flash-frozen mammoths was a Super Derecho like a giant thunderstorm that deflected the jet stream down towards the Earth's surface, and that's what flash-froze the mammoths. You said, "Close enough." So that's not exactly what happened. What are we missing here?

A: Impact sending enormous stream of heat and matter upward, creating a vacuum, followed by induction of super cooled air.

Q: (L) Well, the problem is that the mammoths were frozen in Siberia but not in the Northern part of the Western hemisphere, currently called North America, which is where there are the signs of the impact. If the impact occurred in North America, why are the mammoths that are frozen by this shooting up and falling down of hot air followed by cold air in Siberia and not in North America?

A: It was in the entire Northern Hemisphere, but the shift of the axis and lithosphere gave each area a different outcome over time.

Q: (Pierre) That makes sense. So, they all got flash-frozen, but the hit also shifted the geographic pole and brought Siberia to higher latitudes. So, they stayed frozen there, but the flash-frozen animals in Northern America ended up in lower latitudes away from the poles, and they defrosted.

A: Yes

If Pierre's theory was correct, and he had strongly made a good case (osit), the permafrost may not have been such a factor in that particular region until it happened very fast and the region shifted. If so, Anatoli's findings may be off by < than 3.5 million years, unless his samples came from deeper and the permafrost was truly permanent there, again, at least in that part of Siberia back then (suggestions and some evidence make it sound to have been once relatively temperate). As for today, indeed the area can be super cold.

Here is a little ocular background on the region, which is diverse in landscape that includes the recently famous baydzharakhs plateaus rock formations, to the very similar looking Rockies in North America. It it was temperate, one might image a lot of life in the area for a little while until matters shifted.


Edit: forgot to add this in, it is a Siberian permafrost map:

 
Hello,

My contributions may be ignored for now but in the future will be recognized. I understand that the general conception of what causes health and what causes disease are perceived by most to be highly complex and difficult to understand. I would say that this is true but not for the reasons most think.

I recently published a book called "How to Cure any Illness: What your doctor doesn't understand about health".

Everything in the physical is a product of the "mental" or you could say, consciousness. If you truly have one of these "auto-immune disorders", you have beliefs that are instructing your body to turn on itself.

I discovered this having been extremely ill, near death, for many years, with no doctors having any clue what was wrong with me. It led me down a 7 year path of discovering much esotreric information and secrets about health and disease as I eventually discovered how to cure myself.

I'm not saying the things about diet and inflammation that you're focusing on are bad, more so that it's just misplaced. You have inflammation because of your beliefs. You can do things that will ease the inflammation like adjust the diet, but the underlying problem remains.

A massive part (though not the whole part of this) of what I came to understand is that when we suppress our emotions, this creates an energetic blockage in the body which eventually leads to some sort of manifestation of illness. Personal authenticy plays a key role in this:-being true to oneself is a vital aspect of being healthy. What you should find is that the big issues in your personal life, your biggest problems, whatever they may be, these are the things about yourself that you need to heal. Once you decide to be honest with yourself and confront these issues that you've been avoiding, the illness will disappear. (This is not the only cause of illness, we're also in a loosh farm with all sorts of weird multi-dimensional aliens implanting AI into us and disrupting our bodies, and we are poisoned from every direction which I'm sure most all here reading this do know. The body can clear the poisons, it is your own beliefs and emotions that are the primary cause of most illnesses.)

Sorry if that's not extremely specific. I wrote a whole book about it and I can only summarize so much in a quick post but I can answer anybody who might have questions.
 
Hello,

My contributions may be ignored for now but in the future will be recognized. I understand that the general conception of what causes health and what causes disease are perceived by most to be highly complex and difficult to understand. I would say that this is true but not for the reasons most think.

I recently published a book called "How to Cure any Illness: What your doctor doesn't understand about health".

Everything in the physical is a product of the "mental" or you could say, consciousness. If you truly have one of these "auto-immune disorders", you have beliefs that are instructing your body to turn on itself.

I discovered this having been extremely ill, near death, for many years, with no doctors having any clue what was wrong with me. It led me down a 7 year path of discovering much esotreric information and secrets about health and disease as I eventually discovered how to cure myself.

I'm not saying the things about diet and inflammation that you're focusing on are bad, more so that it's just misplaced. You have inflammation because of your beliefs. You can do things that will ease the inflammation like adjust the diet, but the underlying problem remains.

A massive part (though not the whole part of this) of what I came to understand is that when we suppress our emotions, this creates an energetic blockage in the body which eventually leads to some sort of manifestation of illness. Personal authenticy plays a key role in this:-being true to oneself is a vital aspect of being healthy. What you should find is that the big issues in your personal life, your biggest problems, whatever they may be, these are the things about yourself that you need to heal. Once you decide to be honest with yourself and confront these issues that you've been avoiding, the illness will disappear. (This is not the only cause of illness, we're also in a loosh farm with all sorts of weird multi-dimensional aliens implanting AI into us and disrupting our bodies, and we are poisoned from every direction which I'm sure most all here reading this do know. The body can clear the poisons, it is your own beliefs and emotions that are the primary cause of most illnesses.)

Sorry if that's not extremely specific. I wrote a whole book about it and I can only summarize so much in a quick post but I can answer anybody who might have questions.

Congrats on writing your book. However, I don't think this 'either/or' approach you're advocating is necessary.

The state of our Being is a complex mix of factors, and engaging in the process of the growth of our Being includes the 'information' we take in via our diet, our parasitic load, EMF, thoughts and emotions, even stuff like spirit attachments and past lives - and whole host of things that all can cause inflammation, illness, and dampen our genetic potential or level of clarity of consciousness.

Many people on the forum, myself included, have experienced a lot of benefit from working to change our physiology through external medical/dietary interventions AND working to change ephemeral, inner personal factors like beliefs, thoughts and emotional patterns. In this session, there was a lengthy discussion with the C's as to why the info in this thread is not - as you suggest - 'misplaced', but vitally important:

Session 18 July 2015


A: We have been noting the questions on your forum and would like to make some small comments.

Q: (Galatea) Okay.

(L) Hang on! I see something long is coming, so let me get myself ready ... Alright, carry on!

A: Questions about "The Great Work" and "work on the self" and the preparations for "graduation" and so forth. Most of the clues and even direct answers have been given in the past, however we will summarize and give examples. All such aims concentrate, in essence, on or in awareness! Awareness is knowledge in action. Now, think of the concept you know as transmarginal inhibition.

Q: (L) Okay. Transmarginal inhibition is when an organism is stressed or pushed to the point where they break. It's like they become blank slates, and then they can be easily reprogrammed. Is that what we're getting at here?

A: Yes. Now think of the super important bit of data we sought to get through to you some years ago regarding parasitic infestations preventing a "quantum leap in awareness."

Q: (L) So you're saying that awareness is the key to the Great Work, work on the self, graduating to 4D, or whatever. Awareness involves knowledge, and quantum leaps in awareness can be prevented by parasitic infestations, which is somehow related to transmarginal inhibition.

(Pierre) How does it relate?

(Perceval) It makes people easy prey. Like toxoplasmosis in cats.

(L) So, okay... Continue.

A: The recent discoveries you have made in terms of the causation of chronic and other deadly diseases is the gathering together of the keys to the opening of a door to greater awareness!!!!

Q:
(Andromeda) Huh.

(Perceval) So you don't have the key yet.

(L) When you made that remark, that was years ago... That was in 1997? That was in the context, if I remember correctly, of when I was following bloodlines. You diverted my direction by introducing this topic about quantum leaps in awareness and parasitic infestation. And then I think the topic then moved on to the discussion of an alien race wanting to take over the planet and how they would do that. Maybe we could go find that session...

[Break for finding session transcript from August 9, 1997]

(Andromeda) So we get rid of all of these bugs, all the right DNA turns on, and then we become more aware and get superpowers. That's what I'm getting from this.

(Pierre) So regarding these bloodlines, are they for example people who would graduate, but they have some weakness and they get infested by parasites that prevent them from graduation?

(L) Is it a weakness, or is it by design?

L reads from August 9, 1997 transcript:

Q: Next question: is there any relationship between the fact that Roger de Mortimer, the carrier of the last of the line of the Welsh kings, was the lover of Isabella of France, who was the daughter of Philip the Fair, the destroyer of the Templars, and the murder of Edward II, the first of the English Prince of Wales?

A: Templars are a setup, insofar as persecution is concerned. Remember your "historical records" can be distorted, in order to throw off future inquiries, such as your own.

Q: I know that. I have already figured that one out! But, it seems that no one else has made this connection. I mean, the bloodlines that converge in the Percys and the Mortimers are incredible!

A: You should know that these bloodlines become parasitically infected, harassed and tinkered with whenever a quantum leap of awareness is imminent.

Q:
Whenever a quantum leap...

A: Such as "now."

Q: Did Isabella and Mortimer have a child while they were in hiding in France?

A: No. Here is something for you to digest: Why is it that your scientists have overlooked the obvious when they insist that alien beings cannot travel to earth from a distant system???

Q: And what is this obvious thing?

A: Even if speed of light travel, or "faster," were not possible, and it is, of course, there is no reason why an alien race could not construct a space "ark," living for many generations on it. They could travel great distances through time and space, looking for a suitable world for conquest. Upon finding such, they could then install this ark in a distant orbit, build bases upon various solid planes in that solar system, and proceed to patiently manipulate the chosen civilizations to develop a suitable technological infrastructure. And then, after the instituting of a long, slow, and grand mind programming project, simply step in and take it over once the situation was suitable.

(L) So... Are you suggesting that, for example, if there are people who get infectious diseases that cause atherosclerosis, heart disease, cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus, or any of these so-called autoimmune diseases, that these diseases are not genetically caused as they have been saying for the last 50 or 60 years, but that perhaps they were designed for people who carry certain genetic markers in their DNA, which then get labeled as the causative gene? Is that what we're getting at here?

A: Very close indeed. There is also the "tinkering" that can take place.

Q: (L) So in our particular reality and time and place, the so-called "Great Work", the alchemical self-transformation, must necessarily include work on diet and health issues and a vast increase in knowledge in those areas in order to cancel out the effects of transmarginal inhibition?

A: Yes

Q:
(L) I don't know of any better way to put it. Anybody else?

(Pierre) There seems to be something else. The way they refer to parasites is that they are preventing not only the gaining of knowledge and growth of awareness, but also this quantum leap. Maybe if you have parasites, you can still increase your knowledge and awareness, but you'll reach a sort of glass ceiling that prevents you from graduating.

A: Yes

Q: (L) What's the tinkering there?

A: The parasites act as receivers.

Q: (Pierre) Yeah. The parasites act as receivers. So when you are full of parasites you are more under the influence of bad waves, or waves sent by bad entities. You're more susceptible to those messages. There's a bad influence on you beyond the parasites.

A:
Getting free of parasitic microorganisms is one of the first orders of business for transformation.

Q:
(Galatea) Would you say that the closer somebody gets to graduating, the worse things get? Like they start to feel worse?

A: In many cases, yes.

Q: (L) If you get too smart, then something happens. I wonder if they even have something designed into the system that makes that happen?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) They have a back door.

(Perceval) When they said that the parasites act as receivers, receivers of what?

A: Waves of information.

Q: (Perceval) The reference to bloodlines becoming parasitically infected, does that refer to certain bloodlines that were particularly targeted for infestation?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) As in bloodlines or genetic profiles that were more likely to have an increase in awareness or to be more of a threat to the system?

A: Yes

Q: (L) That's pretty freaking depressing.

(Pierre) That's cunning.

(Perceval) What did they say about the tinkering?

(L) Okay, how is the tinkering done?

A: Most often via viruses.

Q:
(L) Is the campaign to vaccinate everyone part of this project to make sure that everybody gets the viruses that are needed to stop them from progressing?

A: Yes

Q:
(L) I know you said that the mark of the beast is something that relates to anybody who accepts torture and that sort of thing, but some of those old ideas about the mark of the beast, it's like DNA is code... So, maybe have these virally implanted genetic instructions could be considered as the mark of the beast.

A: It goes together!

Q: (L) So if they get these virally implanted DNA codons or something, that then makes them of the type of person who is accepting of the bad waves and the torture and so forth...

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Can we assume that most of the population of the planet is infected with these kinds of parasites?

A: Many, not most. Some have strong resistance. And also, some have compensatory counteractive codons.

Q: (L) So somehow, by virtue of natural selection I would imagine, some people manage to get lucky draws and get a set of genes that are highly resistant to this type of manipulation?

A: Yes. Or at least with compensation.

Q: (L) So, when you say "compensation", that would be similar to the example of somebody who has sickle-cell anemia, which also protects against malaria? So you could have something that makes you susceptible to a condition, but at the same time the way you are susceptible also makes you resistance to something else? Is that what we're getting at here?

A: Yes. Close.

Q: (Chu) But the fact that these people are immune sort of doesn't necessarily make them aware, right?

A: Yes

Q: (Chu) You need the knowledge, too.

(Perceval) This parasitic infestation to control people is over and above ponerization, psychopathology, media brainwashing, etc. People who don't have this parasitic infestation...

(L) And I'm sure there are lots of people who don't have the susceptibility who don't give a crap about knowledge or awareness or graduation or anything.

(Pierre) But is the opposite true? Can you have the great resistance, and the potential to graduate as well?

A: In some cases, yes.

Q: (Perceval) So it's basically wasted on a lot of people in a certain sense.

(Pierre) At least they're not sick.

(Perceval) No, the people who want to fight against the system and who care about the state of the world and the lies and all that stuff, they don't have the immunity. But the ones who do have it, they're not influenced by the waves but they don't care.

(Galatea) So is there positive information we can acquire somehow to combat the negative information?

A: We have given you the data and clues. Knowledge must be acquired via efforts so as to make proper connections and pathways in the brain.

Q: (L) Why is it so important to make connections and pathways in the brain?

A: That is, quite simply, building your receiver!!!

Q: (L) So, it is important to acquire knowledge, information, and to do it in a way that builds your brain power because that's your receiver. Your receiver receives...

(Galatea) Cosmic information.

A: Higher energies!

Q: (Chu) I would also think that the efforts are a key because that's like the enemy of a parasite. A parasite lives off other cells or other living organisms for free basically. But if you make an effort, you're actually using opposite information to what you’re wired to do.

(L) Yeah, when you make efforts, you're putting information into the system. They make no efforts, so they are tending towards entropy and chaos.

(Pierre) What Chu means is that there is almost opposing philosophies.

(Chu) It's like a clash. If they feed from your life force, their mode of living is by not doing anything and having your body do it for them. With effort, it's like a clash opposite to how they function.

(Pierre) If you're parasitic, that might resonate with the parasites' energy, and they find a positive environment. If you have the opposite energy, if you're creative and make efforts, maybe your overall energy will be in opposition to the parasites' intrinsic entropic vibration.

(Data) The same with conscious suffering.

(Perceval) I think the point here is that in order to make these pathways in the brain, one of the things that stops that from happening are these parasites. So, physically, getting rid of the parasites is required to create this positive feedback loop.

(L) I think you can acquire knowledge to a certain point, but...

(Perceval) We're talking about a physical problem here in the sense of doxycycline or whatever is necessary to deal with a parasitic infestation. It's not that some way....

(L) Yeah, you're not going to ephemerally deal with it, no. It's like all of our researches into diet. In 2008 after I had that operation, my brain was fogged and I was so... I couldn't even sit at my desk for 5 minutes without my legs swelling so bad, I had to get back into bed. I would be dead now if we hadn't gone on the... Well, if I hadn't browbeaten everyone and said, "Hey, I'm gonna do this thing here, and ya'll gotta do it, too!" [laughter]

(Chu) What I'm trying to get at is that it's a double whammy. If you're a doctor, you acquire the knowledge about the parasites, but if you're not building that willpower, you may get rid of the parasites but not acquire awareness. But if you act against the nature of a parasite while you get rid of the physical parasites, that's different.

(Perceval) People who have an immunity naturally, they don't get infested, but they don't do anything with the capability they have.

(Chu) So that's why you need the superefforts.

(L) There's another problem. There are two things I've noticed from various people on the forum. There are the ones that are so horrified by the terror of the situation, like, "I don't belong to this world! I'm not part of this! I can't eat meat! I can't eat vegetables. I have to live on air and sunshine because it's so awful and horrible that I just can't stand it!" So, there's that reaction. And then there's the other one where when we have a session, ideas are promoted, people start to do things or try things before they themselves have done a little of the research, ya know? I think there are the people who don't want to learn anything, and then there are people who want to do and achieve, but they want an easy way.

(Pierre) For proper acquisition of knowledge, you need a sufficient amount of time and effort and... suffering, basically.

A: There is no free lunch except maybe for parasites!

Q: (L) And we're their lunch as long as we think there's a free lunch!

A: Yes!

Q: (Data) Is that the meaning of humanity being "food for the moon"?

A: Close, though Gurdjieff did not fully understand all the particulars.

Q: (L) Well, one of things I noticed from reading this book "Plague Time" that I just finished is that many of the most insidious of the long-term chronic disease parasites are what they would call sexually transmitted: by sex, kissing, close contact, etc. It seems to me that based on what I was reading in this book, some of the ancient ideas about extreme sexual morality were directed at preventing just these kinds of conditions. Am I reading too much into it?

A: No, the knowledge was passed down until the reasons were forgotten.

Q: (L) Now, it's the really ridiculous religious rules or whatever, and originally there were scientific reasons for it. It's like the pork thing. There was a reason. There was a reason about pork and a way to deal with pork, but somehow they lost it. Now you've got all these Muslims going around with woman covering themselves head to foot and all the purity rules of the Jews, and the “no dancing” of the fundies and all that. Most of what is in the Hebrew Bible in terms of laws came from the Pythagoreans. So that suggests that Pythagoras was a transmitter of really ancient knowledge.

A: Yes

Q: (L) Well, well, well...

(Galatea) Can I ask a question? The C's have said that abstinence is ideal for graduation but only if it is sincere. So, what do you think about people who claim that they are asexual? Are they somehow superior to us, or what?

A: No

Q: (Galatea) Okay. So, what makes them feel the need to be asexual? Is it biology or what?

A: Discombobulated brain chemistry.

Q: (Galatea) So basically they're just messed up in the head.

(Perceval) Literally.

A: Yes

[...]

(Galatea) I've been having memories of things that never happened before, as if I was walking in another reality and then came into a new one. I could have sworn that something happened that didn't happen. I'm wondering if our reality is merging with different realities?

A: Oh indeed! You will achieve so much clarity once the bugs are gone!
 
Everything in the physical is a product of the "mental" or you could say, consciousness. If you truly have one of these "auto-immune disorders", you have beliefs that are instructing your body to turn on itself.
The Hawaiian Kahunas (elders, learned healers) would attempt to resolve the mental issues in a patient before, as I understand, addressing the physical. As I spend more time on this planet, I see that approach seems to be quite valid. They understood the mental before the physical. OSIS
 
Everything in the physical is a product of the "mental" or you could say, consciousness. If you truly have one of these "auto-immune disorders", you have beliefs that are instructing your body to turn on itself.

I believed the same due to my studies in my early twenties. Then, at my first job at a day treatment facility for people with mental illness, I was a witness to an occurance that forced me to expand my understanding and perceptions.

A man in his 50s, who was suffering from Paranoid schizophrenia and spent most of his life in institutions and assisted living, was taken by his family to a Chinese doctor. The doctor worked a pendulum over him and told him to take huge amounts of fish oils 3 x day for a while. I don't recall the details, but I mean huge, like 30 pills 3 times a day! I thought it was the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

But the man followed the instructions and after a few days he, and us - the staff, started perceiving changes in him. He was reporting that the voices in his head, that the psychiatric drugs could not make go away completely, became fainter and for long times during the day were silenced. We observed that he was more present in the therapeutic groups, more engaging and considerate. Later, while still in assisted living, he was able to find a part-time job. I am not by any means promoting fish oils for schizophrenia, but it seems that in this case, the fats helped the brain/nervous system/hormones (it's all connected!) of this man find some much needed balance.

I am saying this because that was the first time I realized that if someone's depression is let's say caused by mineral deficiencies, no amount of psychological work and insight will help until those deficiencies are met. A man who is starving cannot think or analyze away his hunger, one plagued by parasites cannot just wish them to oblivion, and so on.

Having said all that, I still think there is a big psychological/energetic/consciousness component behind illnesses that would have to be recognized and addressed for healing to take place and prevent any reoccurances. I am happy for you that you found your own way to healing when no one else could help you and you are now sharing this knowledge with others. May many be helped! That is precious and it's yours forever. As we learned after much trial and error however, each individual is different, and beyond the physical and the psychological, we are souls learning life's lessons in our own unique ways. We don't all heal the same way, like we didn't all start ailing due to the same factors. See also @iamthatis great post above.
 
There's also the interesting story from Laura in Amazing Grace about belief and healing. When she received Reiki the first time, despite being very skeptical about it, it worked.

There was NO PAIN.

I was sure that, at any moment, I was going to get slammed with it again. I got up very carefully and continued with my work, constantly monitoring myself for the return of the pain. Actually, I think I even wanted the pain to return because otherwise, I would have to think that Reiki had worked! And we certainly could not be believing that sort of nonsense! What a dilemma!

Now, the clear thing here is this: I did NOT expect the Reiki to work. Further, I expected the pain to return. But something objective was going on that I didn’t understand. I was still thinking in the programmed way that expectations led to your experiences and that faith was an integral part of healing. I was still working on digging up whatever might be buried in my own subconscious that was responsible for my suffering. That prevented me from having the faith to effect a healing. And on and on in a circle.

But here I was again, experiencing a positive result without exerting faith of any kind. My skepticism about Reiki was rather deep rooted. Reiki had worked anyway. Or so we might think. What other explanation could there be?

So we can be healed by 'an objective process' let's say - even if that process runs counter to our own personal beliefs. But sometimes healing definitely requires changing personal beliefs!

Basically, healing is super weird...
 
Everything in the physical is a product of the "mental" or you could say, consciousness. If you truly have one of these "auto-immune disorders", you have beliefs that are instructing your body to turn on itself.

I was wondering about the cause of this American obsession about the mind as cause of all human problems. Yes, mind is very important, but why are they discarding everything else that is also important?

And today I stumbled upon the interview which I think gave me the answer:

J.C. Your friends, Richard and Iona Miller recently published a book, THE MODERN ALCHEMIST, that explicates the classic work of LAMBSPRING as a guide to personal transformation while ignoring the laboratory process associated with this adept. Why is laboratory work so often ignored?

H.N. Not everyone has the grace or insight to even consider the spiritual usefulness of laboratory work. Not everyone has access to the materials required; mineral ores, toxic chemicals, glassware. The toys of an alchemist are expensive and dangerous. We are generally out of touch with the therapeutic value of the crafts or hands-on labor. Our whole economy has shifted from product oriented to service oriented. In the old days people used to make things and sell them. Now everyone is a psychologist. But its OK. Everyone has a roll to play in Nature. Everybody's entitled to make a living.


American are obsessed with the mind because they do not understand the rest of the existence anymore. They live in a service oriented economy where software is everything.
 
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