Awakening to The Calling

[quote author=anart]
It is my understanding, and has been my experience, that working toward a deep psychological understanding of oneself, and others, isn't necessary 'before beginning things' it IS beginning things. [/quote]

Should the attempt to understand others, be a priority before having any sort of understanding of ones self? or is that the result of self-understanding - the ability to understand others. How exactly do you mean this? In terms of comprehension of an individual, or a thorough understanding of their machine as well, by means of being able to recognize their programs, patterns, etc. through your understanding of your own?


Andrew said:
Also, how do you feel about keeping G's practices in mind as we'll when undertaking the recommending reading?
Anart said:
I'm not quite clear on what you mean by 'G's practices', so it is difficult to answer directly.

Yes I can see why! I apologize for my vague description. What I was referring to was more so intended along the lines of what PepperFritz had suggested to become familiar with:

Programs
Identification
Little "I"s
Real I
Personality
Self-Remembering
Being

Also I should have said 'concepts' instead of "practices", although I think Identification and Self-Remembering could be considered as such.
 
Andrew, my advice is not to worry about it so much in that way - exactly what is helpful, and what isn't and then arbitrarily shunning what "isn't" from your sight. Sure those concepts are helpful, it doesn't hurt to be aware of them - just don't make assumptions or try to get ahead of yourself by pretending to understand more than you do. The bottom line is just being sincere with yourself, to truly want to become psychologically healthy and to learn. If you are sincere, if you really want to get out of the rut and become free through knowledge and a WILL, then you will benefit from anything you read. If you're not sincere, then you'll have a tendency to intellectualize and subjectively distort to your liking anything that you read, whether it is psychology books or more advanced esoteric concepts.

So it really is about your intent and how honest you are with yourself, how earnestly you wish to learn and become free. But nothing will happen until you take the first step. I'd even suggest don't have an attitude of "I'll try it" or "I'll give it a shot" but instead think "I WILL do this". Then just read, think, apply - rinse and repeat. This forum is always here if you have questions or want to discuss, but you may want to read for a while before impulsively jumping on with trivial questions that can be answered with a little bit more reading and thinking. You can take notes as you read too if you want, write down what you learn, what you are confused about, etc.

Have faith that you CAN do absolutely anything if you simply gain the right understanding and apply it. But you gotta want to do it. Find an inspiration, a motivation, a drive. Why do you want to do this? Is it worth it to you to wake up and become free? Then it's simple - wake up, and be free. Oh yeah and don't forget that learning is fun. The material that has been suggested IS fascinating, it will more than likely be interesting and revealing and insightful for you to read. So look forward to it, don't think of it as a burden. Learning is fun, and while often painful, the benefits of observing yourself and applying new insights and knowledge to yourself and your life are vast and infinitely rewarding on more levels than can be mentioned in text.
 
[quote author=SAO]
So it really is about your intent and how honest you are with yourself, how earnestly you wish to learn and become free. But nothing will happen until you take the first step. I'd even suggest don't have an attitude of "I'll try it" or "I'll give it a shot" but instead think "I WILL do this". Then just read, think, apply - rinse and repeat. This forum is always here if you have questions or want to discuss, but you may want to read for a while before impulsively jumping on with trivial questions that can be answered with a little bit more reading and thinking. You can take notes as you read too if you want, write down what you learn, what you are confused about, etc.
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Thx SAO. Will do.
 
Andrew said:
Should the attempt to understand others, be a priority before having any sort of understanding of ones self? or is that the result of self-understanding - the ability to understand others. How exactly do you mean this? In terms of comprehension of an individual, or a thorough understanding of their machine as well, by means of being able to recognize their programs, patterns, etc. through your understanding of your own?

While you have been given some excellent advice I just thought I'd try to answer this question.

One of the reasons to understand yourself, which reading the psychology books - and applying them as you read them - will be a huge benefit to knowing yourself, is so that by knowing yourself helps you to be able to then know how others operate.

Once you see all of the programs running in yourself and are able to get the feel and flavor of them and then get them under control, you will be able to see those same programs running in others. So learning about yourself is very important or so it seems to me. ;)
 
[quote author=Nienna Eluch]
One of the reasons to understand yourself, which reading the psychology books - and applying them as you read them - will be a huge benefit to knowing yourself, is so that by knowing yourself helps you to be able to then know how others operate.
Once you see all of the programs running in yourself and are able to get the feel and flavor of them and then get them under control, you will be able to see those same programs running in others.
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And by this I take it that, by being able to identify these programs in others and yourself would allow you to use External Consideration more effectively?
 
In Drama of the Gifted Child Alice Miller says:

Alice Miller said:
Several sorts of mechanisms can be recognized in the
defense against early feelings of abandonment. [...] changing passive suffering into active behavior
("I must quit women as soon as I feel that I am essential to them")

I have similar relations to the above, especially whats in bold. My relations with women have ALWAYS been in a manner of "I must quite them once I feel I'm essential to them". I often attract to me many women, and end up feeling extreme guilt when I begin to push them away once a closeness begins to develop and I've never been able to figure out why. Now its starting to come into light, more so my past as a child, the feelings I felt at the loss of my mother who never seemed to be there. Never would have thought this to be the case though...still not quite sure if that's it.

Anyways, I've read this and more into the book but can't seem to really comprehend any practical method of relinquishing myself of this habit/guilt. Another thing I would like to point out also in relation to women, is the fact that whenever I find myself confronted with a women I may not even know, and am highly attracted to, I tend to carry out Ideal fantasies about a perfect "love" between the two of us, and for some reason this is a most satisfying feeling. Yet in reality I know these things not to be true and even look down on the fact that I have this "obsessive" habit. And I'm not really sure if it might be related to the same difficult feelings of abandonment or neglect I have often felt/feel from my mother. In any case if I've somehow missed something that does explain how to free oneself of these delusions would you be able to tell me so? I've also just ordered Myth of Sanity, Unholy Hungers, and Trapped in the Mirror and was wondering if perhaps these issues or like ones are talked about?

There's also another part in this book that I find myself relating to well and explains more on what I've already tried to explain in previous posts, regarding feelings of Social inadequacies.
Alice Miller said:
("I must always be good and measure up to the norm, then there is no risk; I constantly
feel that the demands are too great, but I cannot change
that...")

There's more to that quote that says "I must achieve more than others" but that's hardly ever the case, or from what I've been able to observe. Anyways, the feelings of having to measure up to the norm is quite common for me, and I've been able to link it to feelings of inferiority about myself in relation to other individuals.The rational ends up something like: "be like them to avoid criticism". Doing some reflection I've discovered this to be related to my upbringings with my Father; I either performed his way, did things his way and even if I tried and failed, in his view, I was punished and talked down on. In this sense its clear my sense of self-esteem has been beaten down over many years of this kind of abuse, not sure if that's an appropriate word? However I seriously want to rid myself of these feelings of inner incompetence and weakness yet can't seem to "see" the method or remedy to this situation - so far. I'm really hoping these books, the ones I haven't received yet, to explain more on this and how to overcome it because its really bringing me down and it's seriously got to stop.

I might be jumping the gun here, I'm just seeing these things for what feels to be the first time and I want them gone. If anyone may have any practical advice, or even if I need to perhaps "read better" I'm open to all suggestions.
 
Hi Andrew,

The following is something that came to mind reading the first part of your recent post:

Andrew wrote: My relations with women have ALWAYS been in a manner of "I must quite them once I feel I'm essential to them". I often attract to me many women, and end up feeling extreme guilt when I begin to push them away once a closeness begins to develop and I've never been able to figure out why.

Can't say your not being honest about this, but what came to mind was, these women start to figure you out and since 1) most people dine on the drama of being mysterious to people, they begin to shun people who have figured them out. or 2) Given the mirror from these persons its possible that, since we do not like what we see, or what is being presented based on what others are seeing/showing us of ourselves, we shun them for telling the truth.

Can't say this is you but there have been situations, looking back in the past, where I've ruined relationships only cause I was not getting the FEEDback I was looking for. Perhaps you've read Unholy Hungers, it goes into the vampiric FEEDing dynamic quite deeply. Again, this is just something that came to mind as a potential.

Also you say, as quoted, "I begin to push them away once a closeness begins to develop." This sounds, and again I could be way off, but it sounds like your projecting your personal issue onto them, which again might come from point 1) and 2) above. Implying - I push them (why?) for not giving me what I want(?). To say it plain and simple, we usually shun those who make us see the truth about ourselves, the reason seems to be cause we like to lie to ourselves and consider ourselves perfect, anything that would affect/threaten that illusion is cast away. Apologies if this is out of context to what you were implying in your post.

Just my .2 cents, for what it's worth.
 
Andrew said:
Another thing I would like to point out also in relation to women, is the fact that whenever I find myself confronted with a women I may not even know, and am highly attracted to, I tend to carry out Ideal fantasies about a perfect "love" between the two of us, and for some reason this is a most satisfying feeling. Yet in reality I know these things not to be true and even look down on the fact that I have this "obsessive" habit. And I'm not really sure if it might be related to the same difficult feelings of abandonment or neglect I have often felt/feel from my mother. In any case if I've somehow missed something that does explain how to free oneself of these delusions would you be able to tell me so? I've also just ordered Myth of Sanity, Unholy Hungers, and Trapped in the Mirror and was wondering if perhaps these issues or like ones are talked about?

Hi Andrew,

for what it's worth, these strong projections onto the other sex of the Ideal love (or, in my case: my soul mate-- :rolleyes:) are very common to me, too. Very common. They even kept coming and going in my current relationship, and once went so far that I was in the middle of a vampiric set-up. It was horrible and surreal when I woke up to the truth, and back then I didn't have the knowledge and thought it to be a demonic set-up. Anyways, the books of the psychological section are like jewels to me: so much light-shedding and understanding are coming through them! A form of healing, just by suddenly having put it all into perspective! So, yes, keep studying them, many of your questions will be answered.

The following excerpt from 'Unholy Hungers' on the 'Beloved' will maybe shed some light on the whole matter:
At its core, every vampire story is really about the dark shadow that falls across our path as we seek our perfect Beloved. Ah... the Beloved! We all seek that devine entity who will bring our dreams to life and lift us into a state of transcendent bliss. We feel the essence of the archetypal Beloved in every myth, every fairy tal, and every celluloid concoction that shines before us in the perpetual night of the movie theater. For most of us, the search for a loved one is the most compelling pursuit of our lives--the only pursuit that can drive us beyond ourselves as we journey to hell and back. But hree's the bad news: the path we walk on our search for our true love makes a perfect hunting ground for hungry vampires. (...)

In its simplest form, the search for the beloved is born of our fierce human drive to commune with an entity whom we love, and who will love us in return. Love, in this sense, is more than a conglomeration of respect, honor, affection, and devotion. These qualities proceed from love, but they are not its essence. This kind of love is what we experience when we connect with a being that is greater than ourselves. And here is born a dangerous illusion--we believe that something larger than life can be incarnated in a single person. This is only natural, since we must use the finite shapes of our external experience to comprehend an infinite internal experience. But true love is really much more complex, profound, and transcendent than the repertoire of any mere mortal.
The essence of the archetypal Beloved is as sacred, as vast, and as intimate as the soul, which means that our relationship to the Beloved is most potent when it is not distorted by the human limitations of an external person. In other words, we are most likely to commune with the true Beloved when we turn within and touch that in ourselves which resonates with all that is sacred. This is the part of us that Jung called the Self, but we may also call it the soul or the divine. Ecstatic mystics regularly enjoy this kind of intrapsychic soul love, but it is more difficult for the rest of us to achieve because we pay more attention to finite external reality, which is full of compelling sensory distractions. Most of us are not inclined to maintain the mystic's internal focus and spiritual discipline, which are requirements for communing with the Self, so we spend the greater part (if not all) of our lives looking to other people, rather than to our own souls, for our sense of ecstatic communion. This is why most of us come to expect and demand perfect love from the imperfect human mortals on whom we've projected the image of our divine Beloved.
(...)
Whenever the architect [the author gives an example of one of her clients] projected her traits onto an external loved one, she increased her vulnerability to vampiric invasion in three ways. First, as long as some of her energies were projected onto someone else, she did not have access to the whole of her power, which left her in a weakened and yearning state. Second, as long as she was desperate to find an external loved one, she was inclined to project her power onto any warm body that would hold the projection (even if the body was only warmed by stolen blood). And third, once the woman had securely clamped her projection onto a new loved one, she felt as if she were psychologically welded to this man (who, after all, seemed to be her only means of connecting with the energies that she had hidden from herself). In this enmeshed state, the woman opened wide her psychic windows to any man who could hold her projection of the archetypal Beloved.
This bundle of circumstances is the perfect setup for the vampiric attack. To begin with, all predators target the vulnerable members of the herd, and when we are projecting a portion of our strength onto any external person, we are vulnerable. Moreover, the most lethal predators are those who can make themselves attractive to the intended prey; posing as the perfect Beloved is the best disguise of all . Finally a predator can do the most damage when the prey has dropped its defences and admitted the predator into its inner sanctum. Thus, a psychic vampire had only to detect the architect's fervent search for a screen onto whom she could project her inner Beloved. Once he had smelled her desperate yearning, the man could easily metamorphose himself into the kind of man who would meet her criteria for a projection screen. (...)
Once a vampiric man was the bearer of the architect's projection, she was in his thrall, because she had abdicated to her beloved vampire the traits for which she most yearned. Ironically, these became the very traits that could have released the woman from the vampire's control, for if she could have recognized them in herself, the beloved vampire would no longer have been able to hold her captive. Instead, because the woman perceived that her lover held her unclaimed power, she granted to one psychic vampire after another the key to her heart's desire, and she willingly paid in blood for a chance to turn that key. The irony of this illusion was that the vampires' bait was simply the reflection of her own gifts.
(...)
Sometimes the architect would pause loong enough in her frenzy of projection to realize that the man onto whom she was projecting her Beloved was projecting onto her his Beloved as well. When this happenend, the woman often found that she had become the thing that her lover was projecting, whether it resembled her innate character or not. This process of transformation through projection is referred to by some Jungians as "dreaming somebody up." We can be fairly sure that we are dreaming up another person when an aspect of his or her personality seems larger thatn life--more divine or more evil than we would have believed possible in a mere mortal.
It is as common for us to be dreamed up by someone else as it is to do the dreaming up. Generally, we are being dreamed up when we find ourselves behaving in ways that feel unlike us.
(...)
KILLING THE VAMPIRE

Whenever we contemplate killing the psychic vampire, we must remember that "killing" any aspect of the psyche only means that we are transforming its energy into another, preferably healthier, incarnation. For example, through inner work, we can transform what was once an easily provoked, killing rage into a manageable anger that is actually helpful and constructive. Thus, the goal of psychic vampire killing is not really to eradicate the vampirically infected traits in ourselves or someone else, but rather to "kill" their old, contaminated form and give birth to their more healthful incarnations. And whether we find the contaminated trait in ourselves or someone we love, killing a psychic vampire always involves reliving old emotions, acknowledging all of what we seek and fear, grieving our losses, and rejoicing in our gains. It requires us to make an ongoing series of ethical decisions that ask us to choose between working toward transformation or surrendering to the vampire. Vampire killing requires us to go back to the moment when we couldn't find love and settled for exploitation, and it challenges us to make the choice again, and again, and again. As Linda Leonard has astutely observed, we can prevail against the vampire archetype only if "we are willing to consciously fight this battle, not just once but daily".
(...)
First, the illussions themselves [projections] tell us precisely what we need in the way of mothering, fathering, friendship, or love. what we thought we had in the external mother, father, friend, or lover is the image of the energy we need to find in reality--both in our external relationships and activities, and in our internal experience of image and feeling. Thus, when we find ourselves bitterly disappointed in a person, a pursuit, or ourselves, we can use whatever it was we were expecting as a map home to the inner Beloved, who can give us the love we truly want and need. To perform this task, we must bring our idealized images to life by alternatively being them and relating to them.
For example, if your mother was vampiric and your mask for her was nourishing, then nourish yourself as you thought she was nourishing you. If your father was vampiric and your mask for him was instructive, then instruct yourself as you thought he was instructing you. -if your lover was vampiric and your mask for your lover was comforting, then comfort yourself as you thought he or she was comforting you. The ideals that inspire our masks in the first place are part of what Jung called the collective unconscious, the deep part of our psyche that holds the elemental shapes of all human experience, including the Beloved Mother, Father, Child, Lover, and Leader. While it is a bitter disappointment to find that our projection of these sacred entities has served as a mask for the vampire, it also can be profoundly comforting to learn that, no matter what, we carry each Beloved entity's true essence inside ourselves.

(...)

Unholy Hungers is a remarkable book and I'd recommend reading it as a whole, because the whole book is like going through a process of 'ahas', warm shivers, knowledge, self-acceptance and great healing.
 
Andrew said:
In Drama of the Gifted Child Alice Miller says:

I have similar relations to the above, especially whats in bold. My relations with women have ALWAYS been in a manner of "I must quite them once I feel I'm essential to them". I often attract to me many women, and end up feeling extreme guilt when I begin to push them away once a closeness begins to develop and I've never been able to figure out why. Now its starting to come into light, more so my past as a child, the feelings I felt at the loss of my mother who never seemed to be there. Never would have thought this to be the case though...still not quite sure if that's it.

You are getting some very good feedback, or so I think. I would like to add to it. :)

Could it be that as you start to feel "essential" to them that you decide that you will leave them before they can leave you, as your mother did to you? You develop a close relationship with someone and are getting the love and attention that you wanted from your mother, but then you become afraid that just like your mother, this person, too, could leave you so you decide that instead of letting that happen to you again, you will be the one to leave. That way you don't feel abandoned AGAIN.

Andrew said:
Anyways, I've read this and more into the book but can't seem to really comprehend any practical method of relinquishing myself of this habit/guilt.

Have you read Deep Therapy in the Fast Lane by Restin Wells?

This is something that I think would be a big help to you. There is a lot to learn from this story. And getting in touch with your inner child is a big part of it. What you need to do is get in touch with this inner child who was abandoned, listen to him and give him the love and support he needed then yourself. Trust me, it works. ;) Been there, done that. Reading this story will help you in enormous ways IF you will apply it to yourself as you go.

Andrew said:
Another thing I would like to point out also in relation to women, is the fact that whenever I find myself confronted with a women I may not even know, and am highly attracted to, I tend to carry out Ideal fantasies about a perfect "love" between the two of us, and for some reason this is a most satisfying feeling. Yet in reality I know these things not to be true and even look down on the fact that I have this "obsessive" habit. And I'm not really sure if it might be related to the same difficult feelings of abandonment or neglect I have often felt/feel from my mother.

Yes, I think that it is. You are constantly looking for that love that you were never given. And the only way that you feel safe in having this love is through fantasy. For if it is a fantasy then everything works out the way you want it to. You will be loved unconditionally and your needs are fulfilled by this fantasy love and you will never be abandoned. The only thing wrong with the fantasy is that it is not real.

Andrew said:
In any case if I've somehow missed something that does explain how to free oneself of these delusions would you be able to tell me so? I've also just ordered Myth of Sanity, Unholy Hungers, and Trapped in the Mirror and was wondering if perhaps these issues or like ones are talked about?

All of those books are a "must read" for sure. But you must remember to apply them to your situation or they will be of no benefit. Although it does look like you are aware of this. :)

However, I also think that you will benefit greatly from reading Deep Therapy in the Fast Lane as noted above.

Andrew said:
There's also another part in this book that I find myself relating to well and explains more on what I've already tried to explain in previous posts, regarding feelings of Social inadequacies.
Alice Miller said:
("I must always be good and measure up to the norm, then there is no risk; I constantly
feel that the demands are too great, but I cannot change
that...")

There's more to that quote that says "I must achieve more than others" but that's hardly ever the case, or from what I've been able to observe. Anyways, the feelings of having to measure up to the norm is quite common for me, and I've been able to link it to feelings of inferiority about myself in relation to other individuals.The rational ends up something like: "be like them to avoid criticism". Doing some reflection I've discovered this to be related to my upbringings with my Father; I either performed his way, did things his way and even if I tried and failed, in his view, I was punished and talked down on. In this sense its clear my sense of self-esteem has been beaten down over many years of this kind of abuse, not sure if that's an appropriate word? However I seriously want to rid myself of these feelings of inner incompetence and weakness yet can't seem to "see" the method or remedy to this situation - so far. I'm really hoping these books, the ones I haven't received yet, to explain more on this and how to overcome it because its really bringing me down and it's seriously got to stop.

I think that many of us have feelings of inadequacy. If not from our parents (to whom I think are the most likely) than from society at large. It is a programming that is instilled in us from everywhere we interact with, osit. And, like you suggest from the above, not living up to parental expectations is a large, if not total, part of it. And, as stated above, the books you have ordered will help you tremendously in seeing where these programs have come into being and how to control them.

Andrew said:
I might be jumping the gun here, I'm just seeing these things for what feels to be the first time and I want them gone. If anyone may have any practical advice, or even if I need to perhaps "read better" I'm open to all suggestions.

Just keep on doing what you are doing. As you read and apply what you are reading, things will become even clearer and so will how to overcome the programming. But it is Work. I think that you are well on your way to cleaning your machine. :thup:

fwiw
 
metamorphisis said:
"these women start to figure you out and since 1) most people dine on the drama of being mysterious to people, they begin to shun people who have figured them out. or 2) Given the mirror from these persons its possible that, since we do not like what we see, or what is being presented based on what others are seeing/showing us of ourselves, we shun them for telling the truth."

hello metamorphisis thanks for your reply.

It's actually very interesting that you bring these two points into light because I can very much relate to them - as much I don't want to. Point 1 describes me in a nutshell. There has always been some "mysterious" vibe about me according to most I have interacted with in the past, and it was only then that it was brought to my awareness that I could use it to my advantage over others especially Women in general.

Regarding actual relationships, two seemed to be based off of a sort of a strong emotional attachment towards my self from my partners, which made me feel essential to them, but the attachment eventually drew me away. It's funny how I crave a type of "soul-mate" or "true love" yet, when things start to get serious, and emotions and feelings are very strong I get afraid and begin to push them away. There's an obvious difficulty in expressing feeling and emotion that I've never quite been able to get a handle on.

However it wasn't until my most recent relationship that I was being seen, by my partner for who I really was, and she would often point out the way in which I was hurting her and destroying our relationship, but this I did not want to hear. As you can probably imagine this resulted in a disastrous end. All because I was unwilling to accept that my behavior was cruel, deceptive, manipulative and paranoid and more so an unwillingness to do anything about it. Now the tables were turned and It was me who had this emotional attachment, because I was being provided a type of "food" that I required and once it was denied any further, all hell broke loose.

The relationship reflected to me a great deal that I would consciously reject that's taken some time to fully accept as MY behavior. yet the problem lies, I believe, in the forgiveness of myself for behaving in such a way. Forgiveness of myself is truly something I've never really been able to, consciously, do for myself - how does one forgive when one will always know of what has been done before?
 
essence said:
Hi Andrew,

for what it's worth, these strong projections onto the other sex of the Ideal love (or, in my case: my soul mate-- :rolleyes:) are very common to me, too. Very common. They even kept coming and going in my current relationship, and once went so far that I was in the middle of a vampiric set-up. It was horrible and surreal when I woke up to the truth, and back then I didn't have the knowledge and thought it to be a demonic set-up.

Hello Essence,

I appreciate you sharing similar experiences, it's been very hard for me outside of myself, to accept the fact that I do this. I can very easily say this is all to common with me as well and a part in the destruction of a past relationship.

essence said:
Anyways, the books of the psychological section are like jewels to me: so much light-shedding and understanding are coming through them! A form of healing, just by suddenly having put it all into perspective! So, yes, keep studying them, many of your questions will be answered.

I appreciate your feedback from your own experience with this as well, just from your quote from Unholy Hungers really shows me the depth of insight its capable of producing from experiences such as these.

essence said:
The following excerpt from 'Unholy Hungers' on the 'Beloved' will maybe shed some light on the whole matter:

and just a few to comment on:

Unholy Hungers said:
And here is born a dangerous illusion--we believe that something larger than life can be incarnated in a single person.
Unholy Hungers said:
Most of us are not inclined to maintain the mystic's internal focus and spiritual discipline, which are requirements for communing with the Self, so we spend the greater part (if not all) of our lives looking to other people, rather than to our own souls, for our sense of ecstatic communion. This is why most of us come to expect and demand perfect love from the imperfect human mortals on whom we've projected the image of our divine Beloved.

I can't tell you how often I have rationalized that "only if I find the perfect Woman for me, everything will be A-Ok!" "ALL of MY PROBLEMS will be SOLVED!"
Truly a grand Illusion to believe any single, external individual is your key to happiness and reconciliation with a damaged internal-self.

The question that remains after is: "Where did I ever get such ideas? Who did I inherit these ideas from?" If anyone at that... :huh:

All in due time I suppose....
 
[quote author=Nienna Eluch]
Could it be that as you start to feel "essential" to them that you decide that you will leave them before they can leave you, as your mother did to you? You develop a close relationship with someone and are getting the love and attention that you wanted from your mother, but then you become afraid that just like your mother, this person, too, could leave you so you decide that instead of letting that happen to you again, you will be the one to leave. That way you don't feel abandoned AGAIN.[/quote]

Somewhere, I think it has to do with the inability to fully and genuinely express my self for another individual. Somewhere this has been cut off, because I know this used to not be difficult for me, nor was getting close to women or just people in general. However, I think what you have said may be a very important clue to understanding where the connection was severed.

[quote author=Nienna Eluch]
Have you read Deep Therapy in the Fast Lane by Restin Wells?

This is something that I think would be a big help to you. There is a lot to learn from this story. And getting in touch with your inner child is a big part of it. What you need to do is get in touch with this inner child who was abandoned, listen to him and give him the love and support he needed then yourself. Trust me, it works. ;) Been there, done that. Reading this story will help you in enormous ways IF you will apply it to yourself as you go.
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Yes, I have started reading this story, left off at chapter 7. Will continue to read it.


Just want to say Nienna what you wrote for me has given me much personal insight that I will leave for my own contemplation in consideration for this forum. I appreciate you taking the time to write your thoughts out for me. :)
 
Hello everyone

I had my first therapy session today, and even though it is my first I'm quite uncertain, or indifferent to be more precise of how it went. maybe im expecting to much to soon; not really sure how this whole process works.

Anyways I wanted to get the advice of members on the forum if it might be necessary to tell my therapist about my esoteric endeavors? I have a feeling im going to have to open up to her, to tell her about myself and I fear if I tell her about my studies that I will be labeled as coo-coo, or diagnosed with some mental disorder or something. I'm not really sure how to approach the subject, or even if I should. I mean its hard to tell someone that you feel alienated from society or about yourself and only be able to scratch the surface of the problem - family issues, issues with self-esteem, narcissistic character traits etc. But not being able to explain that you feel something more to life then just the ordinary mundane, this invisible gravitation towards a direction no one else is taking makes it entirely difficult.

I know some members on here aren't to particularly fond of the idea of Hypnosis or Past Life Regression, but for me personally, I would like to find some means of hypnosis giving me the chance to explore my subconscious to verify if what I feel is even real or not? Can that be done? At the moment im feeling very uncertain about whether what I feel esoterically is real, or if im just nuts. I asked my therapist if she administered Regression Hypnosis or Therapy and she didn't even know what that was. I feel as if I'd only be able to cover the surface layer with this therapist instead of being able to fully convey the entire issue and have the appropriate measure taken for me to be able to heal. If this is the case, im not exactly sure what type of therapist I should be seeing then?

Any comments or feedback would be appreciated

thank you
 
Your therapy cannot be effective if you are not completely honest with your therapist.

Re past-life hynosis: You have already sought feedback on this idea, and were given the very sound advice that it is not only not "necessary" but potentially harmful, and can be used to avoid facing one's issues and problems in the here and now. The fact that upon discovering the discomfort you feel at the prospect of being honest with your therapist, you have regressed back to this idea, seems a pretty clear illustration that you are indeed looking for an "escape hatch" and practicing avoidance behaviour. And no one here is going to encourage you in that direction.
 
Hi Andrew,

My two cents: Maybe it would help to think of it like this: why expect a massage therapist to teach you to play tennis? If your therapist is good at the basic psychological stuff, why expect him or her to do other things?

If a regular psychotherapist can help you figure out your "family issues, issues with self-esteem, narcissistic character traits etc." well that seems to be WAY more than just scratching the surface of the problem. If your psychotherapist doesn't do past-life regression, you can always find someone else to do that.

But I think that all the esoteric stuff can only be truly approached when one has come to grips with the basic psychological stuff. Otherwise our messed-up psyches distort things and the esoteric information just helps us sleep. We all know new-age types who do this to an extreme. Why should we worry too much about past lives when we haven't figured out this life? But there is no reason you can't do therapy and hypnotic regression at the same time with two different practitioners.



Andrew said:
Hello everyone

I had my first therapy session today, and even though it is my first I'm quite uncertain, or indifferent to be more precise of how it went. maybe im expecting to much to soon; not really sure how this whole process works.

Anyways I wanted to get the advice of members on the forum if it might be necessary to tell my therapist about my esoteric endeavors? I have a feeling im going to have to open up to her, to tell her about myself and I fear if I tell her about my studies that I will be labeled as coo-coo, or diagnosed with some mental disorder or something. I'm not really sure how to approach the subject, or even if I should. I mean its hard to tell someone that you feel alienated from society or about yourself and only be able to scratch the surface of the problem - family issues, issues with self-esteem, narcissistic character traits etc. But not being able to explain that you feel something more to life then just the ordinary mundane, this invisible gravitation towards a direction no one else is taking makes it entirely difficult.

I know some members on here aren't to particularly fond of the idea of Hypnosis or Past Life Regression, but for me personally, I would like to find some means of hypnosis giving me the chance to explore my subconscious to verify if what I feel is even real or not? Can that be done? At the moment im feeling very uncertain about whether what I feel esoterically is real, or if im just nuts. I asked my therapist if she administered Regression Hypnosis or Therapy and she didn't even know what that was. I feel as if I'd only be able to cover the surface layer with this therapist instead of being able to fully convey the entire issue and have the appropriate measure taken for me to be able to heal. If this is the case, im not exactly sure what type of therapist I should be seeing then?

Any comments or feedback would be appreciated

thank you
 

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