Backscatter x-ray machines "tear apart DNA"

[Lindenlea]

This is a real worry to me as I am currently planning an extended trip to Europe and the Middle East from April to July, which will entail boarding around 14 flights starting and ending with the long haul sections from and to Australia.

Having read the threads here, I intend to opt for pat down, I shall also print some of the information gathered here, in case I have to explain myself, as maybe if the staff operating these machines become aware of information outside the disinformation they may have been given, they might even consider making a bit of noise themselves, i.e. OH&S, union interference etc.

I shall be looking out for more information and try and find out where these machines currently are on my travel route.

Thank you so much for this thread.

 

[Ca.]

I ask what is the timing of this and the implication's to now having this option at a major airport facility. And when will it become mandatory. They will set these areas up too look like a hamburger stand kiosk only you don't get fed but a flue shot and an x-ray all in one day ? Free flu shots available at San Diego International Airport this Friday, January 16
Airport Authority offering free flu shots to travelers, visitors and employees at airport for second year in a row
SAN DIEGO (January 13, 2009) — Free flu shots for travelers, visitors and employees at San Diego International Airport will be available this Friday, January 16. The flu shots will be offered in Terminal 1 Baggage Claim from 9 a.m. to 7p.m. and in Terminal 2 Baggage Claim from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m.
The shots will be offered at no cost to travelers, meeters/greeters, airport employees or tenants. January is considered a good month to receive the flu vaccine, as February and March typically have many reported cases of flu.
The free shots are a result of a partnership between the San Diego County Regional Airport Authority and Community Health Improvement Partners (CHIP), a nonprofit collaboration of San Diego health care systems, hospitals, community clinics, insurers, physicians, universities, community benefit organizations and the County of San Diego. Formed in 1995, CHIP is organized under the auspices of the Hospital Association of San Diego and Imperial Counties.
This is the second year in a row free flu shots are being offered at the airport. Last year, 605 people took advantage of the shots.
While many airports offer flu vaccines, San Diego International Airport is the only known airport to partner with a nonprofit organization and offer the vaccines free of charge.
The San Diego County Regional Airport Authority was established by state law in 2003 to operate San Diego International Airport and to address the region’s long-term air transportation needs. San Diego International Airport — funded through user fees and not local taxes — served 18.3 million passengers in 2007 and generates some $10 billion in annual economic impact for the region.


 

[Ellipse]

German TV: full body scanner fail to detect bomb

No need to speak German to understand. The scanner detect a mobile phone, a Swiss knife and the mike but miss all components need to make a bomb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKvweNugnQ

 

[Vulcan59]

Re: German TV: full body scanner fail to detect bomb

Hi Ellipse,

It was mentioned in the thread below.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15565.msg131553#msg131553

I'll merge this topic it. :)

 

[Ellipse]

Oh, I missed it.

 

[rylek]

Here's the latest from Britain:

Passengers laid bare as full body scanners are introduced at Heathrow and Manchester airports

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247977/Full-body-scanners-introduced-Heathrow-Manchester-airports-Lord-Adonis-seeks-allay-privacy-fears.html

The main points are:

# Travellers chosen for scan must cooperate - or face flight ban
# Airport bosses: Race, religion or ethnicity not a consideration

(edit clarification on second point: this does not refer to being unable to opt out of the scan on religious grounds, just that the random searches are not selected 'on the basis of personal characteristics'.)

 

[rylek]

This is a real worry to me as I am currently planning an extended trip to Europe and the Middle East from April to July, which will entail boarding around 14 flights starting and ending with the long haul sections from and to Australia.

Having read the threads here, I intend to opt for pat down, I shall also print some of the information gathered here, in case I have to explain myself, as maybe if the staff operating these machines become aware of information outside the disinformation they may have been given, they might even consider making a bit of noise themselves, i.e. OH&S, union interference etc.

I shall be looking out for more information and try and find out where these machines currently are on my travel route.

Thank you so much for this thread.

From experience when confronting people who have even the tiniest amount of power over you and have guidelines to follow there is usually no room for argument, they insist on what they've been trained to do. Even if you have logical arguments they're brushed aside. If you find yourself going through an airport with mandatory scanners, or having been selected for a scan, personally I don't see much room for argument. You'd probably get yourself unable to fly, osit.

 

[anart]

From experience when confronting people who have even the tiniest amount of power over you and have guidelines to follow there is usually no room for argument, they insist on what they've been trained to do. Even if you have logical arguments they're brushed aside. If you find yourself going through an airport with mandatory scanners, or having been selected for a scan, personally I don't see much room for argument. You'd probably get yourself unable to fly, osit.

I tend to agree.

 

[go2]

From experience when confronting people who have even the tiniest amount of power over you and have guidelines to follow there is usually no room for argument, they insist on what they've been trained to do. Even if you have logical arguments they're brushed aside. If you find yourself going through an airport with mandatory scanners, or having been selected for a scan, personally I don't see much room for argument. You'd probably get yourself unable to fly, osit.

It is possible to assert one's rights without argument. The brasscheck TV link records an actual encounter with Homeland Security in an airport. The individual cooperates with the authorities, while asserting his right to remain silent when interrogated. The clip is worth careful study for those who may find themselves face to face with Homeland Security or any other law enforcement authorities while in transit. This assertion of rights may not apply at US Customs points of entry.

 

[Lauranimal]

He he.... Thanks Go2. That BrasscheckTV link was about an incident where I live. Yikes! It's been just over a years since I traveled through Lambert Airport, and I've got a Ron Paul sticker on my suitcase! LOL!!!! They'll stop me for sure!

 

[dant]

Lauranimal:
... only if you carry a lockbox loaded with green
paper featuring funny faces of long dead men... ;)

 

[rylek]

From experience when confronting people who have even the tiniest amount of power over you and have guidelines to follow there is usually no room for argument, they insist on what they've been trained to do. Even if you have logical arguments they're brushed aside. If you find yourself going through an airport with mandatory scanners, or having been selected for a scan, personally I don't see much room for argument. You'd probably get yourself unable to fly, osit.

It is possible to assert one's rights without argument. The brasscheck TV link records an actual encounter with Homeland Security in an airport. The individual cooperates with the authorities, while asserting his right to remain silent when interrogated. The clip is worth careful study for those who may find themselves face to face with Homeland Security or any other law enforcement authorities while in transit. This assertion of rights may not apply at US Customs points of entry.

Thanks for that link. I've watched the clip and it's a good example of how to keep cool when dealing with officials overstepping their authority, counting on using intimidation techniques to get info one is not obliged to provide. The creeping totalitarian mentality and petty tyrants.

With the scanner issue, it depends whether or not there will be mandatory laws introduced making it impossible to use arguments such as religion/health to opt out.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

I dunno about the Mormons, but the Muslims are apparently speaking out:
_http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=17702

Full body scanning at airports is now under attack by Muslim groups who claim that the scanners violate the Teachings of Islam. A statement was issued by the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) stating, “General and public use of such scanners is against the teachings of Islam, natural law and all religions and cultures that stand for decency and modesty." The FCNA continued, "It is a violation of clear Islamic teachings that men or women be seen naked by other men and women. The Qur'an has commanded the believers, both men and women, to cover their private parts."

Muslim groups are asking followers to refuse scanning and ask for pat downs instead reports the Chicago Sun-Times. The FCNA has asked that changes be made to the software of the scanner to only show body outlines.

Should be interesting to see how this develops. Since Americans are brainwashed to equate Muslim with Terrorist, I wonder if the mainstream media will go so far as to spin it in that direction? In other words, to say that the reason that Muslims are against it is because that's where terrorists come from, and they are trying to use their religion to get around security and to do their terrorist activities. I suspect some conservative talk-radio hosts and things like fox news might try to hint or suggest this, or even openly say it, to plant that seed. And then it would be just a matter of having one of those Muslims, who was able to get out of being scanned and got a pat down instead, to do something "terroristy". This would allow them to shut down any religious opposition to their pointless but super orweilian implementations.

Hell, if I was REALLY loopy, I would even suspect that this whole thing above could be done on purpose in anticipation of FOTCM's potential religious opposition to such measures. But that is in the same realm of going back in time and creating the concept of cult just to then in the future apply it to this group to try to discredit it (which is what the C's suggested). In other words, it's probably exactly what those bastards did! But the future is open, so I guess we just wait and see how it all plays out. Lately the whole "wait and see" thing is accompanied with a lot of cringing though.

 

[shijing]

Hell, if I was REALLY loopy, I would even suspect that this whole thing above could be done on purpose in anticipation of FOTCM's potential religious opposition to such measures. But that is in the same realm of going back in time and creating the concept of cult just to then in the future apply it to this group to try to discredit it (which is what the C's suggested). In other words, it's probably exactly what those bastards did!

I was actually thinking about this just yesterday! Although the "cult" label has already caused Laura et al. quite a bit of headaches and misery, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the main reason for it (that nobody foresaw when it occurred, the FOTCM not even being a twinkle in anybody's eye at that point) was to pre-emptively hit the FOTCM if and when it started to become a real force to be reckoned with (in contrast to the forum, which sits more-or-less unobtrusively in cyberspace). Kind of creepy, isn't it!

 

[RedFox]

Hell, if I was REALLY loopy, I would even suspect that this whole thing above could be done on purpose in anticipation of FOTCM's potential religious opposition to such measures. But that is in the same realm of going back in time and creating the concept of cult just to then in the future apply it to this group to try to discredit it (which is what the C's suggested). In other words, it's probably exactly what those bastards did!

I was actually thinking about this just yesterday! Although the "cult" label has already caused Laura et al. quite a bit of headaches and misery, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the main reason for it (that nobody foresaw when it occurred, the FOTCM not even being a twinkle in anybody's eye at that point) was to pre-emptively hit the FOTCM if and when it started to become a real force to be reckoned with (in contrast to the forum, which sits more-or-less unobtrusively in cyberspace). Kind of creepy, isn't it!

I tend to think this may be the case too now you've both mentioned it. Still, doing the E-E program seem to be having some interesting (nonlinear) effects (i.e. climate gate as suggested by the C's)....so I actually find the whole thing pretty hopeful. I could be mistaken but I'm starting to sense some desperation from the PTB in regards to these airport scanners......its very small but there. osit