Baltimore riots

[mrelectric91]

I'm black by the way, while there are problems in the UK I never really unsafe physically although alienated socially in certain parts of the country. I guess the big racial tension here currently is with muslims and eastern Europe migrants who can come here whenever they please because oft the EU which has caused some very nasty rhetoric, marches by far right groups etc. But no real violence.

Does anyone think this is more a socioeconomic problem than a race problem? For example does a latino or black person working in wall street or silicon valley suffer from the same dangers than someone in Baltimore. So the people who get left behind Socioeconomically are both more likely to be criminals, but also be harshly treated almost as sub humans.

Also how good are the schools in these neighbourhoods in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit are kids being offered scholarships for college, skilled training etc.

 

[LIV]

im sorry if u misinterpreted my "lol" as if i was laughing at the situation normaregula. i was simply chuckling in my head at what i imagined the face of the respondent to my response in my head.. sort of like when a kid says can i eat ice cream for dinner and mom says u have to eat dinner first. and they make the i dont wanna hear that reaponse face ..

but majority of what u have stated has some truth behind it... but he also should not worry about the future .. live in the moment.. worrying about the future only creates anxiety.. it may be his "fate or purpose" to come here..
thats all i meant by it ... sheese


far as him feeling racial division if he is a minority , was making him aware that there is a high probability that he could experience that here, because a lot of minorities have stated that they feel this way.. hence riots terroism etc .. (and usually thats how socialization goes... the superior does not get the heat like the minority .. sort of like military ranking)
i never said white people could not experience that too... smh i said if you are apart of it ..
and how do u kno his beating wasnt staged to create balance in this color revolution? plus im sure that journalists knew it was a high probability he could get hurt being right in the middle of point 0 where police are tired of being photographed of them doing things they arent supposed to be doing ..


but thank u for trying to clairify things and sharing your perception.. i really appreciate that :) :)

 

[LIV]

mrelectric... i think its various factors.. but minorities catch it a little heavier due to the inequalities they face from skin color religion and sexual orientation.. which is one more onbstacle they have to face that the majority doesnt...

the schools in those cities mentioned arent that great in "comparison" to the suburban schools in my "opinion.." you may have one or two thats good in the inner city but typically the better schools are in the suburbs of those cities... the wealthier people tend to live out of the inner city which means they have more money to put in those schools .. though times are changing and they are trying to make these cities more integrated with the suburbs ...

 

[mrelectric91]

im sorry if u misinterpreted my "lol" as if i was laughing at the situation normaregula. i was simply chuckling in my head at what i imagined the face of the respondent to my response in my head.. sort of like when a kid says can i eat ice cream for dinner and mom says u have to eat dinner first. and they make the i dont wanna hear that reaponse face ..

but majority of what u have stated has some truth behind it... but he also should not worry about the future .. live in the moment.. worrying about the future only creates anxiety.. it may be his "fate or purpose" to come here..
thats all i meant by it ... sheese


far as him feeling racial division if he is a minority , was making him aware that there is a high probability that he could experience that here, because a lot of minorities have stated that they feel this way.. hence riots terroism etc .. (and usually thats how socialization goes... the superior does not get the heat like the minority .. sort of like military ranking)
i never said white people could not experience that too... smh i said if you are apart of it ..
and how do u kno his beating wasnt staged to create balance in this color revolution? plus im sure that journalists knew it was a high probability he could get hurt being right in the middle of point 0 where police are tired of being photographed of them doing things they arent supposed to be doing ..


but thank u for trying to clairify things and sharing your perception.. i really appreciate that :) :)

Appreciate your comments LIV, I am black but I don't believe in living fear, especially being so young but it's interesting to hear what the USA is like from those who were born and raised there. So much of us around the world only get our picture of the country from entertainment and media.

I just think the country has so much to offer......... every state must have it's own culture, strengths, weaknesses, climate, that's fascinating to me.

Ultimately I think long term thinking is the solution to the apparent chaos

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

im sorry if u misinterpreted my "lol" as if i was laughing at the situation normaregula. i was simply chuckling in my head at what i imagined the face of the respondent to my response in my head.. sort of like when a kid says can i eat ice cream for dinner and mom says u have to eat dinner first. and they make the i dont wanna hear that reaponse face ..

Rather presumptuous of you, wouldn't you say?

but majority of what u have stated has some truth behind it... but he also should not worry about the future .. live in the moment.. worrying about the future only creates anxiety.. it may be his "fate or purpose" to come here..
thats all i meant by it ... sheese

Worry - maybe not. But just as the now is a result of the past, the future is a result of the now. "Living in the moment" is the reason history repeats itself. Learning from history is vital to avoid making the same mistakes - and those mistakes include disregarding consequences of your behavior (and that of others), consequences which may only come about "in the future". Are you aware of SOTT? The entire existence of SOTT is in response to a realization that the world is heading towards a very dark place - darker than it already is, and the necessity to stay informed so that knowledge can hopefully protect you and others from heading into that same dark place. So I completely disagree, I think every action has consequences, and if you ignore reality and never consider the future, you're going to be in for a very unpleasant surprise.

far as him feeling racial division if he is a minority , was making him aware that there is a high probability that he could experience that here, because a lot of minorities have stated that they feel this way.. hence riots terroism etc .. (and usually thats how socialization goes... the superior does not get the heat like the minority .. sort of like military ranking)

This quote applies here:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me".

But besides that, having any group be oppressed makes the entire environment toxic, and no one is "safe".

i never said white people could not experience that too... smh i said if you are apart of it ..
and how do u kno his beating wasnt staged to create balance in this color revolution? plus im sure that journalists knew it was a high probability he could get hurt being right in the middle of point 0 where police are tired of being photographed of them doing things they arent supposed to be doing ..

So what's your suggestion? Ignore the fascists and hope they'll just go away on their own, or stop being fascist? Again I would suggest that historically, the ONLY way anything ever changed, was through a huge effort of a determined group who witnessed the horrors and stood up against them. If we don't learn from history, we will repeat it.

 

[Woodsman]

Coming from London in the uk. I've always idealised, moving to the us or Canada before I turn 30. However, although the inner city's of London are from a safe haven, the violence and volatility in the US seems from afar to exist on another level intensity.

I'm wondering do you feel a tangible danger, tension living and growing up in america?
Just how racially divided is the country? or is that another thing the media and authorities seem to perpetuate and encourage?

If you are going to go to the trouble of relocating, I would personally make every effort to find a destination which is not such a hot spot right now. The US is the *last* place on Earth I'd choose to emigrate to. The C's tell us, and it is obvious from all human indicators, that the US is grand central for STS activities. Laura and crew deliberately moved to France in order to extend their stay on the planet!

The impression of opportunity and rich culture you mentioned in another post is a marketing image, I think. There is a ton of unemployment and suffering, and it is only getting worse.

Canada is somewhat better socially speaking, (though the current leadership is flat-out evil). But my main concern at the moment wrt Canada is that the current climate/weather trends are sliding towards "Ice Age" quite rapidly now; I can easily see it becoming very hard to live here quite soon. Already, the growing season this year is looking bleak with many farmers already dealing with heavy damage from the constant snow storms over the Winter. The maple syrup industry had a very poor season, (which starts in March/April). -Migratory birds were starving upon return to Canada in some regions because of the lasting snow cover and their inability to dig for grubs in the earth. These are indicators of what is to come, agriculturally speaking. And right now, it still feels like a wet and cold Winter; we had snow yesterday when the perennials should have been flowering weeks ago.

Perhaps moving somewhere in Southern Europe is a better bet?

 

[NormaRegula]

im sorry if u misinterpreted my "lol" as if i was laughing at the situation normaregula. i was simply chuckling in my head at what i imagined the face of the respondent to my response in my head.. sort of like when a kid says can i eat ice cream for dinner and mom says u have to eat dinner first. and they make the i dont wanna hear that reaponse face ..

As SAO pointed out, it's rather presumptuous without real context or understanding as to what the respondent is actually asking.

but majority of what u have stated has some truth behind it... but he also should not worry about the future .. live in the moment.. worrying about the future only creates anxiety.. it may be his "fate or purpose" to come here..
thats all i meant by it ... sheese

Worrying about the future without planning for contingencies can create anxiety. Always living in the moment has its own share of difficulties. Being mindful of one's surroundings and learning to navigate the future via clues and gathering knowledge (from the past as well as the present) as to what the future may actually bring would be the wiser course. OSIT

far as him feeling racial division if he is a minority , was making him aware that there is a high probability that he could experience that here, because a lot of minorities have stated that they feel this way.. hence riots terroism etc .. (and usually thats how socialization goes... the superior does not get the heat like the minority .. sort of like military ranking)

And this is done for a reason. To divide people and eventually conquer all of them by using their fear of others or even themselves to discourage any change in the status quo. As I stated before, the signs are increasingly pointing to all peoples being treated poorly by those who deem themselves superior. In the long run, it's much more complex than minority vs. majority. The PTB have been fomenting dissent between men and women, black and white, religion vs. religion, nationality vs nationality, etc. for aeons. It's time to stand up to what is going on…and not be fooled into a divide and conquer mentality.

i never said white people could not experience that too... smh i said if you are apart of it ..
and how do u kno his beating wasnt staged to create balance in this color revolution? plus im sure that journalists knew it was a high probability he could get hurt being right in the middle of point 0 where police are tired of being photographed of them doing things they arent supposed to be doing ..

If you knew the guy like I know him, the chances of his beating being staged is rather slim. I think there's a bigger chance of a few jerks being hired or programmed to foment a riot, destroy and steal stuff so as to encourage others who are angry or weak to follow suit. What better reason to make the militant cops look like heroes and the residents look like victims who may or may not have been asking for it. :(

And, yes, my photographer friend knew the job was dangerous, but guess what? He's back in the mix and I pray he makes it through this without any more injuries or destruction to his new equipment.

but thank u for trying to clairify things and sharing your perception.. i really appreciate that :) :)

You're welcome.

Appreciate your comments LIV, I am black but I don't believe in living fear, especially being so young but it's interesting to hear what the USA is like from those who were born and raised there. So much of us around the world only get our picture of the country from entertainment and media.

And unfortunately the picture is not always presented truthfully or with context…it's usually the impression that those in power want the world to perceive. Right now, those in power would like the world (and most of the authoritarian-type US citizens) to focus on those horrid, rioting minorities vs the brave law enforcers…and not the reasons behind it. Divide and conquer. Of course non-violent protests would be more effective in this situation, but the anger and frustration levels are at an all-time high in many cities.

I just think the country has so much to offer......... every state must have it's own culture, strengths, weaknesses, climate, that's fascinating to me.

A lot of people the world over think the same. Unfortunately, the US appears to be heading for disaster in the near future if outlooks don't change. If you're thinking of moving here, be prepared for some interesting times.

Ultimately I think long term thinking is the solution to the apparent chaos

I agree.

 

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

How the Russians comment on the situation in Baltimore

Breaking news
7:30. UN, EU, and China warn the White House regime against using force in Baltimore.
7:40. Angela Merkel: "The National Guard should be ordered out of Baltimore. The Dignity Revolution cannot be suppressed by force.
7:42. Russia's Ambassador is distributing doughnuts and water among the protesters, asking them to stand until victory.
8:08. Lavrov and Churkin held a telephone conversation on the candidates for the post of US president and secretary of state, who would assume their offices after the victory of Baltimore's Dignity Revolution.

http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/04/russian-blogosphere-survey-for-april-30.html

 

[Nienna]

ibut majority of what u have stated has some truth behind it... but he also should not worry about the future .. live in the moment.. worrying about the future only creates anxiety.. it may be his "fate or purpose" to come here..
thats all i meant by it ... sheese

I agree with SAO and NormaRegula about this. Not worrying about the future and just living in the moment is a very naive approach to life. Most people are living this way and won't be prepared for what is to come, which will create a lot of chaos. That's what the PTB want so that they can, then, officially declare martial law. Looking at what is happening now, then, looking at how this happened in history, seeing what could come in the future and, then, making preparations and knowing where NOT to go is just smart.

Looking at what may come and angsting about it is non-productive, but actually doing something to prepare for it can really help. As the Cs have said, anticipate (and this is the only time we should really do this) attack, be prepared and how to circumnavigate it.

As the saying goes, "Prepare for the worst and hope for the best." This can't be done if we don't look at the future.

 

[Cyre2067]

The new narrative is that Freddie Gray injured himself: _http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

It's obvious BS because the initial reports were that he was quiet in the van: _http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/30/1381348/-Washington-Post-citing-anonymous-Baltimore-PD-document-say-Freddie-Gray-severed-his-own-spine?

Thousands gathered in Union Square yesterday around 5pm, short vine video: _https://vine.co/v/e7KLBKJAOev

Some great images from NYC protests last night: _https://news.vice.com/article/in-photos-hundreds-of-new-yorkers-take-to-the-streets-as-freddie-gray-protests-spread-across-us?

 

[Anthony]

Unbelievable. More madness.

On Monday, 20 year old Detroit resident Terrence Kellum was shot 10 TIMES in his own home, in front of his entire family. ICE officer says he charged him with a hammer - 5 family member eyewitnesses saying HE WAS UNARMED and NOT CHARGING THE OFFICER. Residents have begun protesting the shooting.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2051597/terrence-kellum-detroit-protests-begin-after-ice-agent-shoots-man-10-times-in-front-of-family/

 

[Keit]

The protests have ALL - without exception - been vectored by agents provocateurs towards acts of violence. This is always a sure sign that the govt wants people to riot.

I stumbled upon a video that has an interview with members of "Baltimore gangs" where they openly says that they are not involved. They actually got together for this very purpose - to stop the violence. They repeatedly say in the video that various gangs now stay united against the violence toward police.

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[NormaRegula]

That's an interesting video, Keit. Especially in light of the rumor going around Baltimore a few days ago that the gangs were coming together to fight the police.

A Newsweek article from 4/28 that addresses the issue somewhat as it still wants the reader to know in the first paragraph that a gang member hurled stuff at the cops: _http://www.newsweek.com/freddie-gray-protests-unite-baltimore-gang-members-326503

 

[mrelectric91]

I always wonder it's like for the police officers in such situations. They seem so cold and inhuman looking at the people they are containing, I wonder if there is a story of one putting a hand on a civilians shoulder and saying 'look I understand your grievances but we have a job to do', but it seems there is no humane common ground.

 

[NormaRegula]

I always wonder it's like for the police officers in such situations. They seem so cold and inhuman looking at the people they are containing, I wonder if there is a story of one putting a hand on a civilians shoulder and saying 'look I understand your grievances but we have a job to do', but it seems there is no humane common ground.

I wonder about this also. I'm sure there are a few cops with consciences, but it appears that within the last 20 years or so the type of persons who are drawn to law enforcement are authoritarian followers (or much worse as news accounts show) and they will blindly obey orders from their superiors…who are beholden to the monied class or PTB.

With the post 9/11 militarization of police forces plus an "us against them" mentality prevalent within law enforcement ranks for decades, I foresee a lot more chaos before those cops (and soldiers) with some small degree of humanity begin to realize that their more psychopathic colleagues can't pull off evil stuff with civilians without some sort of high-profile condemnation from their fellow officers...that eventually leads to real justice. If not, there may be more violent retaliation, sad as it is to contemplate.