(Barbara Marciniak) The Pleiadians, Sedona Seminar 2015
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I heard the whole thing and yes it is quite interesting, but a couple of things suggest to me as well that there is maybe a believe bias that influences that channel. As we know, alone direct channelling, makes it much easier, that the initial message gets twisted within the system of the vehicle aka. the channel, especially if the channel is not fully "updated".
So I would say to take what is said there with a grain of salt.
I noticed for example that Putin was brought up together with the Queen and Netanjahu (in the same breath), so that might suggest some bias there as well.
I have a couple of questions that are not really connected to what was brought up by "The Pleiadians", but I thought I'll share them here because they exercise me for a while now and maybe a bit more light can be shed on them?
It is about Putin and the new pope:
Observing the political arena closely over the past months and years and especially the maneuvering of Putins government in regards to the Western Elites, I have the strong impression that Putin is likely a person that Łobaczewski described as a person that can feel, do to his normal natural human substratum aka. conscience and empathy, that something is terribly wrong with the system and can make the right decisions, even though he might not know the pathological roots.
The more I read, hear and research about Putin, I think it is quite likely that he is not only the mayor player in most of those smart moves over the years, put probably one of the master minds, if not the master mind itself, behind it. I mean, what he created and was able to accomplish (within this system!) is not only brilliant, long-sighted but also genius in more then one way. The fact alone that he is now stronger then ever, even though the Elites must have tried every dirty trick to eliminate him in the last 15 years, speaks volumes in such a big and powerful country as russia and in the system in which we live. I watched the last documentary about Putins history as President since before he came into power until today. Taking all together, it seems like there is strong "fire from within" burning in Putin, which pushed/pushes him to achieve almost superhuman things with himself, within russia and in the world as a whole. So is it fair to say that Putin is the caesar of our days, or even, dare I say it, a caliber smarter?
I would even go further and suggest that he might is one of the greatest humans that ever walked on earth.
So am I right in thinking that Putin is probably one of the major STO candidates on this earth?
The last couple of months especially, but actually since the new pope Franziskus came into power, it seems like he is trying to do something good in all sorts of areas. For example he said on more then one occasion how bad war is, that we should stop it, and that the system/governments needs it. He said for example that a war with syria is not a good idea back in 2013 and also wrote an letter to Putin in that respect back then. It almost seems like what he is saying about wars seems to be directed to the war machine of the US-Elite and their followers and not just a general "no war anymore". So it is not just that he is saying such things, he seems to follow his words with actions. Recently he recognized palestine as a state, which is quite a big move and said to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the Vatican ‘May you be an angel of peace’. Then he recently created, as far as I know for the first time in history of the church, "a judicial mechanism, a Tribunal for Bishop Negligence in Child Sexual Abuse Cases". In other words, people in the church, that are accused of either covering up or being engaged in sexual abuse of children can now be charged in a tribunal court which is based on a judicial mechanism. Quite a big thing as well.
And then just a couple of days ago he meets with Putin in the Vatican and gives him a medal with the image of an angel-peacemaker and says "This medal, which was created by the artist of the last century, depicts an angel who brings peace and justice, and solidarity, and protects....". Putin and the pope also discussed the ukraine. As the vatican spokesman Francis said, the pope asked Putin to put forward "a great effort to achieve peace" in Ukraine, implying that the two did indeed discuss the matter. "They agreed on the importance of rebuilding a climate of dialogue and that all parties commit themselves to implement the agreements of Minsk".
So is the pope doing all those things because he has a conscience or is there something else behind it, like some kind of plan to appease the people in world, who more or less wake up and see the propaganda for what it is, in order to bring the catholic church back "into play" now, or in the near future?
So I would say to take what is said there with a grain of salt.
I noticed for example that Putin was brought up together with the Queen and Netanjahu (in the same breath), so that might suggest some bias there as well.
I have a couple of questions that are not really connected to what was brought up by "The Pleiadians", but I thought I'll share them here because they exercise me for a while now and maybe a bit more light can be shed on them?
It is about Putin and the new pope:
Observing the political arena closely over the past months and years and especially the maneuvering of Putins government in regards to the Western Elites, I have the strong impression that Putin is likely a person that Łobaczewski described as a person that can feel, do to his normal natural human substratum aka. conscience and empathy, that something is terribly wrong with the system and can make the right decisions, even though he might not know the pathological roots.
The more I read, hear and research about Putin, I think it is quite likely that he is not only the mayor player in most of those smart moves over the years, put probably one of the master minds, if not the master mind itself, behind it. I mean, what he created and was able to accomplish (within this system!) is not only brilliant, long-sighted but also genius in more then one way. The fact alone that he is now stronger then ever, even though the Elites must have tried every dirty trick to eliminate him in the last 15 years, speaks volumes in such a big and powerful country as russia and in the system in which we live. I watched the last documentary about Putins history as President since before he came into power until today. Taking all together, it seems like there is strong "fire from within" burning in Putin, which pushed/pushes him to achieve almost superhuman things with himself, within russia and in the world as a whole. So is it fair to say that Putin is the caesar of our days, or even, dare I say it, a caliber smarter?
I would even go further and suggest that he might is one of the greatest humans that ever walked on earth.
So am I right in thinking that Putin is probably one of the major STO candidates on this earth?
The last couple of months especially, but actually since the new pope Franziskus came into power, it seems like he is trying to do something good in all sorts of areas. For example he said on more then one occasion how bad war is, that we should stop it, and that the system/governments needs it. He said for example that a war with syria is not a good idea back in 2013 and also wrote an letter to Putin in that respect back then. It almost seems like what he is saying about wars seems to be directed to the war machine of the US-Elite and their followers and not just a general "no war anymore". So it is not just that he is saying such things, he seems to follow his words with actions. Recently he recognized palestine as a state, which is quite a big move and said to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the Vatican ‘May you be an angel of peace’. Then he recently created, as far as I know for the first time in history of the church, "a judicial mechanism, a Tribunal for Bishop Negligence in Child Sexual Abuse Cases". In other words, people in the church, that are accused of either covering up or being engaged in sexual abuse of children can now be charged in a tribunal court which is based on a judicial mechanism. Quite a big thing as well.
And then just a couple of days ago he meets with Putin in the Vatican and gives him a medal with the image of an angel-peacemaker and says "This medal, which was created by the artist of the last century, depicts an angel who brings peace and justice, and solidarity, and protects....". Putin and the pope also discussed the ukraine. As the vatican spokesman Francis said, the pope asked Putin to put forward "a great effort to achieve peace" in Ukraine, implying that the two did indeed discuss the matter. "They agreed on the importance of rebuilding a climate of dialogue and that all parties commit themselves to implement the agreements of Minsk".
So is the pope doing all those things because he has a conscience or is there something else behind it, like some kind of plan to appease the people in world, who more or less wake up and see the propaganda for what it is, in order to bring the catholic church back "into play" now, or in the near future?
Well....with regards to questions; like Pashalis its not really related to the Pleiadians and more about Putin. Similar to many in the Forum I'm really in admiration of Putin, and feeling lucky to be alive to witness his deeds, and how he is able to thwart a lot of the Empire's plans; great deeds and actions to learn from. I don't think there has been a better world leader in the last few centuries (i know this is a fully biased opinion :) !).
Hence the questions are : Does Putin know about Wave ? I recall in a previous session it was mentioned that they were making enquiries about Sott and the Forum; hence, is he aware of it now - does he know about the coming Earth Changes, and the role he is playing in these times of great change ?
Hence the questions are : Does Putin know about Wave ? I recall in a previous session it was mentioned that they were making enquiries about Sott and the Forum; hence, is he aware of it now - does he know about the coming Earth Changes, and the role he is playing in these times of great change ?
Richs
The Cosmic Force
There was some discussion of backup generators here and gives rise to this question.Eboard10 said:
Relating the problems people had getting fuel even if they did have a generator, a really wide spread electric outage for a protracted period would be really catastrophic for most people.
If there is a local, regional or very large scale loss of electricity are we going to see the advent of new or 'exotic' energy sources in the near future so we can continue to power our houses without the central grid?
Thanks for bringing this up.
davey72
The Living Force
Yes Pashalis. It is related. I have wondered about North Korea, and its place in this crazy world for awhile now, and came across your post this morning which is what made me bring it up here. Im sure it is not a black or white thing, but is it a generally benevolent country? I dont ever remember the C's commenting on it much.
luke wilson
The Living Force
I think regarding Putin, in todays world, you don't get to do what he has done without being surrounded by some really good people.
I think Putin Queen Netanjahu were were brought up together to mention they have all had contact of some sort but what they did as a result is unclear as is the identity of the contractors so that is open to interpretation/speculation.Pashalis said:
As for Putin. Why do all leaders meet with the pope of their time? I don't know. Why do politics shake hands with religion? I don't know. As the C's said he is not perfect but the best we have.There are, I am sure, agendas in their associations that we may only speculate on.
Maybe Putin was contacted by some beings or other and judging by his actions in general he too may have taken their info with a grain of salt. He's pretty smart.
The pope I think is doing damage control, gently, gently. It means little to sacrifice a few drone workers to save the 'integrity' of the church re the pedophilia and it may also be necessary to sacrifice a nation or two to ensure 'religion' survives. It has been obvious to me that in times of war and trouble people turn to religion for the most part. So religion still has the stranglehold on human psyche and if that was lost then there would be total chaos. Religion, I think, is what put the chains on human kind to begin with and if that were remove, well....hmmm.
Well, she did say it was not crashed but taken out of commission. I don't think that clashes with the C's comment of it going to another realm. Someone or something put it in another realm.As for the technology used, well, no idea there. Apparently some of this weirdness manifests itself to us as weather, so who's to say.SeekinTruth said:
I'm in agreement too. Look at how upsetting it was at times when the internet was not allowing us access to the forum or Sott. Not a comfortable feeling. If/when shtf we lose it altogether I think having hard copies of a lot of this knowledge would be helpful, also for posterity. Look at how hard it is to find true recorded accounts of history these days.luc said:
Book burning also comes to mind and that is worrisome. It happened before you know. :/ I would put nothing past the PTB.
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seeks
Guest
Hi all ,
Due to things going on in the world and people in general not happy,Could this be a question Laura could ask?
October 22, 1994
Q: (L) Well, as long as there are so many of us, why do not they just come and take us?
A: This is - their intention. It was their intention for quite some time. They traveled back and forth in time as you present it, adjusting things so as to absorb the maximum amount of negative energy transferred from the third to the fourth level, where the planet is going to go. They hope that they can get you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: the preservation of their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: distribution of their race across the reality of fourth density. Preparing all this, they interacted with the events of the period you for your calendars can be described as approximately 74 000 years. They do so in a completely stationary state space / time traveling backward and forward in time if desired during this operation. Interestingly enough, however, all of this will fail.
I enjoy reading these forums every day as well as SOTT.
Thankyou everyone and everything for what we have.
I Hope everyone has a good day :)
Due to things going on in the world and people in general not happy,Could this be a question Laura could ask?
October 22, 1994
Q: (L) Well, as long as there are so many of us, why do not they just come and take us?
A: This is - their intention. It was their intention for quite some time. They traveled back and forth in time as you present it, adjusting things so as to absorb the maximum amount of negative energy transferred from the third to the fourth level, where the planet is going to go. They hope that they can get you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: the preservation of their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: distribution of their race across the reality of fourth density. Preparing all this, they interacted with the events of the period you for your calendars can be described as approximately 74 000 years. They do so in a completely stationary state space / time traveling backward and forward in time if desired during this operation. Interestingly enough, however, all of this will fail.
I enjoy reading these forums every day as well as SOTT.
Thankyou everyone and everything for what we have.
I Hope everyone has a good day :)
shijing
The Living Force
I had a chance to listen to this yesterday, and it was pretty interesting -- I haven't really kept up with Barbara Marciniak in the past several years, so it was good to see where she/the Pleiadians are coming from on the variety of topics she addressed. All in all, I thought the number of congruences with the Cs' material outweighed the number of divergences, although there did seem to be a few of the latter (most of which have already been pointed out earlier in this thread) -- the biggest one that stood out to me was the degree to which she emphasized what we would consider Strategic Enclosure, both in person and via electronic media.
That's more or less what I got out of that part as well -- I didn't feel like she was necessarily grouping Putin together with the other two in the sense of their character, although it was brief and ambiguous enough that it's hard to say for sure. I'm able to believe that Putin is unaware of a lot of things going on at the higher level (i.e. hyperdimensional interface) that she was discussing, but it doesn't mean that his decision-making is ethically equivalent to the other two, even if he's in the dark about some things.
I'd never seen a video of Marciniak channeling the Ps before, and her style of speaking while in trance reminded me a bit of Jane Roberts channeling Seth. The phrasing was stilted at certain points as if they were searching a lexicon to find the right way to express something in English -- at one point they wanted to use the word 'pen', and at first they said 'стило', the Bulgarian word for 'pen' (which apparently means 'stylus' in Russian).
As far as the term 'Annunaki' goes, my feeling was that the term is pretty much interchangeable with 4D STS -- I was a bit skeptical about their 'homework' to look for instances of [an] in different languages, since the vowel [a] is the highest-frequency vowel cross-linguistically, and the consonant [n] is very frequent as well -- this would make finding instances of [an] in the lexicon of most languages relatively easy. FWIW, I looked this sequence up in a recent Old Chinese reconstruction (limiting my search to only that sequence), and there are a couple of interesting hits -- one with a positive connotation, and one negative:
安 *[ʔ]ˤa[n] 'peace(ful)'
按 *ʔˤa[n]-s 'repress'
stellar said:
That's more or less what I got out of that part as well -- I didn't feel like she was necessarily grouping Putin together with the other two in the sense of their character, although it was brief and ambiguous enough that it's hard to say for sure. I'm able to believe that Putin is unaware of a lot of things going on at the higher level (i.e. hyperdimensional interface) that she was discussing, but it doesn't mean that his decision-making is ethically equivalent to the other two, even if he's in the dark about some things.
I'd never seen a video of Marciniak channeling the Ps before, and her style of speaking while in trance reminded me a bit of Jane Roberts channeling Seth. The phrasing was stilted at certain points as if they were searching a lexicon to find the right way to express something in English -- at one point they wanted to use the word 'pen', and at first they said 'стило', the Bulgarian word for 'pen' (which apparently means 'stylus' in Russian).
As far as the term 'Annunaki' goes, my feeling was that the term is pretty much interchangeable with 4D STS -- I was a bit skeptical about their 'homework' to look for instances of [an] in different languages, since the vowel [a] is the highest-frequency vowel cross-linguistically, and the consonant [n] is very frequent as well -- this would make finding instances of [an] in the lexicon of most languages relatively easy. FWIW, I looked this sequence up in a recent Old Chinese reconstruction (limiting my search to only that sequence), and there are a couple of interesting hits -- one with a positive connotation, and one negative:
安 *[ʔ]ˤa[n] 'peace(ful)'
按 *ʔˤa[n]-s 'repress'
