Boring, too heavy-handed and preachy

[wanderer33]

But as I tried to get my mind around the idea all I could think was, I suppose it's possible but how the heck would I know? And if it is true, it sure isn't doing me any good because I'm still saddled with a fat lot of programs, emotional problems, basically a whole list of 3D baggage that holds me back and causes pain to myself, and others, just as effectively as anyone else. And if wanderers come here to help others learn and awaken, I don't know that I'm doing much in that regard, especially because I've got so much to learn myself.

All this seems to indicate that if I am a wanderer, in this reality, I am still no different than anyone else.

I think that sums it up nicely. That's exactly how I think about this problem. Frankly I wish I'd never heard of the idea. All it appears to be is an additional burden.


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[wanderer33]

I belong to a few BBs, some have edit functions which have a time-out of about 5 minutes. Very handy when you make a spelling or syntax error. :(

 

[Laura]

But as I tried to get my mind around the idea all I could think was, I suppose it's possible but how the heck would I know? And if it is true, it sure isn't doing me any good because I'm still saddled with a fat lot of programs, emotional problems, basically a whole list of 3D baggage that holds me back and causes pain to myself, and others, just as effectively as anyone else. And if wanderers come here to help others learn and awaken, I don't know that I'm doing much in that regard, especially because I've got so much to learn myself.

You said a mouthful right there! It's always amusing to note that the people who claim to be wanderers seem to have more issues than the "ordinary" folks!

 

[wanderer33]

That's a fact. It seems to be a millstone rather than something that improves one's life.

 

[anart]

That's a fact. It seems to be a millstone rather than something that improves one's life.

I think you might have missed the point. The idea is that people who think they are wanderers are often simply people with other issues who find the idea of being a wanderer comforting - makes them feel special - so they attach themselves to that possibility. The point isn't that 'being a wanderer is a millstone' - the point is that those who think they are wanderers are, usually, simply manifesting other issues. Of course, there are always exceptions to every 'rule'.

 

[RyanX]

I have to agree with you there, Anart.

Me too.

The idea of a "wanderer", from my understanding, comes from the Ra material channeled by Carla Rueckert. She actually wrote a book called the Wanderer's Handbook, which I will admit I picked up and read many years ago. There is no hard research to back up this concept of "wanderers", only her channelings with Ra and now various other entities - which may or may not be corrupted. Although the idea of a "wanderer" is a bit fantasizing, it's also a pretty narcissistic mode of thinking.

It also seems that the idea of a wanderer is an old program. It's just a variation of the same "chosen people" theme echoed in the Judaism and other ideologies (religious or secular). I also find it interesting that it creates an "us vs them" mentality in new age thinking. This being a common thought process of genetic psychopaths, which might be a big reason why the idea gets promoted like it does.

I would also like to know the effect of identifying as a "wanderer" does to an individual. To me it seems like for a souled individual the idea of being a "wanderer" would create a buffer against certain emotional wounds or dissociative states that make an individual feel "different" or "separate" from humanity as a whole. In that sense, it doesn't seem that thinking this way is at all beneficial to self development or the Work - in fact it runs entirely contrary to it. This is only my speculation, of course.

 

[Oxajil]

From the Wave:

One of the hardest things for anyone to acknowledge is their own susceptibility to suggestion, manipulation and external control. No one wants to admit that their awareness can be manipulated. Yet, without exception, all of the Mystery Teachings tell us that the first order of business in expanding awareness is to overcome the hypnosis, or "sleep state" in which man exists. And, without exception, all of the Mystery Teachings tell us that this is so formidable a task that only one in ten thousand can achieve it!

Think about this for a moment. Nine thousand, nine hundred ninety-nine people will react to this statement by thinking: "I am the one in ten thousand!" The Great Masters will tell you that if you think this, then you are NOT!

It is the one who realizes that all of his perceptions must be minutely scrutinized, doubted, tested, examined and challenged who has the smallest hope of escaping the hypnosis!! And, to realize this is but the first in a long series of steps to awakening. And, remember, awakening is not the same thing as seeing! Many can see in expanded awareness, but immediately go back to sleep and what they saw is interpreted by the standards of the "hypnotic sleep state" of ordinary awareness.

 

[shijing]

From the Wave:

...It is the one who realizes that all of his perceptions must be minutely scrutinized, doubted, tested, examined and challenged who has the smallest hope of escaping the hypnosis!!...

Since I was momentarily confused by the above, I wanted to point out that the 'smallest hope' in the above sentence is not placed in contrast with 'greatest hope', but rather with 'no hope at all'.

 

[Nienna]

It also seems that the idea of a wanderer is an old program. It's just a variation of the same "chosen people" theme echoed in the Judaism and other ideologies (religious or secular). I also find it interesting that it creates an "us vs them" mentality in new age thinking. This being a common thought process of genetic psychopaths, which might be a big reason why the idea gets promoted like it does.

This is a very good point, RyanX. For a lot of the people professing to being wanderers do come across as thinking that they are more spiritually developed, thus better, than all of the rest of us 3Ders. Just another way of making the hypnotized sheep think that they are the magicians.

I would also like to know the effect of identifying as a "wanderer" does to an individual. To me it seems like for a souled individual the idea of being a "wanderer" would create a buffer against certain emotional wounds or dissociative states that make an individual feel "different" or "separate" from humanity as a whole. In that sense, it doesn't seem that thinking this way is at all beneficial to self development or the Work - in fact it runs entirely contrary to it. This is only my speculation, of course.

I'm not too sure on this. (Or, what you have said is going right over my head.) :) Only that, as anart said, once the veil drops, all memory of your past life/lives is gone. And because of this, they would have the same narcissistic wounding and wind up with the same programs as any of the rest of us.

I think that the biggest trap of this "wanderer" theory is that it makes one feel special and above others, as you said. And this makes you think that you really don't need to work on yourself at all, because, hey, you're advanced already so all you need to do is spread around what you already know. Which makes for more people walking around thinking that they are awake when they are only dreaming that they are awake. Quite the set-up.

I think that "Frank" thought that he was a wanderer and/or spiritually advanced person, too.

 

[wanderer33]

Considering that this thread has morphed from the subject line to a discussion about the efficacy of a belief that one is a wanderer...... :O

I'd like to ask an off-the-wall question.....


Is "4th density prior encoding mission destiny profile" related in any way to Project Preserve Destiny?

 

[Beau]

Is "4th density prior encoding mission destiny profile" related in any way to Project Preserve Destiny?

I'd say no, because that response from the C's was to a specific person, as in that person had the prior encoding done. I don't think it has anything to do with a coverup of alien existence. In fact, I would say the two things are totally unrelated.

 

[wanderer33]

OK. Thanks.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Considering that this thread has morphed from the subject line to a discussion about the efficacy of a belief that one is a wanderer...... :O

I'd like to ask an off-the-wall question.....


Is "4th density prior encoding mission destiny profile" related in any way to Project Preserve Destiny?

I'm not sure what "Project Preserve Destiny" is but my take on the "4th density prior encoding mission destiny profile" is something that was done or given or set up before one incarnates into 3D in regard to what they agreed to try and accomplish during their lifetime here.

 

[obyvatel]

I would also like to know the effect of identifying as a "wanderer" does to an individual. To me it seems like for a souled individual the idea of being a "wanderer" would create a buffer against certain emotional wounds or dissociative states that make an individual feel "different" or "separate" from humanity as a whole. In that sense, it doesn't seem that thinking this way is at all beneficial to self development or the Work - in fact it runs entirely contrary to it. This is only my speculation, of course.

I'm not too sure on this. (Or, what you have said is going right over my head.) :) Only that, as anart said, once the veil drops, all memory of your past life/lives is gone. And because of this, they would have the same narcissistic wounding and wind up with the same programs as any of the rest of us.

Maybe what RyanX was referring to is that though the wanderers suffer from the same narcissistic wounds and dissociative states as the rest of humanity, they set up their assumed special status as a buffer against really feeling and addressing those wounds. It could be something like "Off course I have problems adjusting to earth life - I am a wanderer after all". Thus these wounds are not processed adequately with knowledge and understanding but covered up with this cloak of "specialness". Osit

 

[Joe]

But as I tried to get my mind around the idea all I could think was, I suppose it's possible but how the heck would I know? And if it is true, it sure isn't doing me any good because I'm still saddled with a fat lot of programs, emotional problems, basically a whole list of 3D baggage that holds me back and causes pain to myself, and others, just as effectively as anyone else. And if wanderers come here to help others learn and awaken, I don't know that I'm doing much in that regard, especially because I've got so much to learn myself.

You said a mouthful right there! It's always amusing to note that the people who claim to be wanderers seem to have more issues than the "ordinary" folks!

I'd say that if anyone is likely to be a "wanderer" it would be people who realise what you have realised above mocachapeau, that they are "saddled with a fat lot of programs, emotional problems, basically a whole list of 3D baggage that holds them back and causes pain to themselves, and others, just as effectively as anyone else".

Because being a "wanderer" or advanced soul would, as I understand it, be someone who has begun to understand and try to work through the lessons of life in this world. Those who ignore those issues within themselves and try to claim to be something they are not are more likely to be immature souls still in caught up in the thrall of illusions.