Boring, too heavy-handed and preachy

[Nienna]

I would also like to know the effect of identifying as a "wanderer" does to an individual. To me it seems like for a souled individual the idea of being a "wanderer" would create a buffer against certain emotional wounds or dissociative states that make an individual feel "different" or "separate" from humanity as a whole. In that sense, it doesn't seem that thinking this way is at all beneficial to self development or the Work - in fact it runs entirely contrary to it. This is only my speculation, of course.

I'm not too sure on this. (Or, what you have said is going right over my head.) :) Only that, as anart said, once the veil drops, all memory of your past life/lives is gone. And because of this, they would have the same narcissistic wounding and wind up with the same programs as any of the rest of us.

Maybe what RyanX was referring to is that though the wanderers suffer from the same narcissistic wounds and dissociative states as the rest of humanity, they set up their assumed special status as a buffer against really feeling and addressing those wounds. It could be something like "Off course I have problems adjusting to earth life - I am a wanderer after all". Thus these wounds are not processed adequately with knowledge and understanding but covered up with this cloak of "specialness". Osit

Thank you, obyvatel, that makes perfect sense and I agree.

 

[ana]

Seems to me that the unique point wich differenciate one soul from another is its position in the learning cycle.

Maybe some are able to connect with that part of themselves in the higher part of the learning cycle but this seems to be a result of self work and true and sincere desire to know the truth, and in that case it would be contradictory if the fruits of this work were not present.

Anyway there is no difference of importance, no choosen ones, just natural progression towards one of the two paths. Osit

I start to deeply understand this part of the session of 960203, and make me laugh:

Q: (MM) Where is Paramahansa now?
A: Fifth Density.
Q: (MM) Is he the Avatar?
A: That is a subjective, artificial concept of the self- styled variety.
Q: (MM) Who came up with the concept? (W) I don't know. I read it in a book somewhere. (L) So, someone said he is now an Avatar?
A: Is Debbie a "shaman," is Billy a "hero," is Oscar a "blade runner?"

 

[mocachapeau]

Makes it all kind of fun, doesn't it?

All these different souls at different points in the learning cycle, with entirely different levels of development, understanding and experience, entering this reality to be left in an equal state of ignorance with access to the exact same tools (pretty much). No matter who we were before we arrived here is completely irrelevant because we are all equally subject to the same laws, restrictions and influences, with no shortcuts or special protection for anyone.

Although we are all working at solving the "big mystery", the answers we find are different for each of us. Within the small group of souls that reach 4th density there will be some who will have no idea how to function there, and others who will have been there before and will remember (assuming the veil is lifted). But as it stands here and now, aside from maybe people like Laura's soul group, we have no idea what kind of role we will play.

Beats the hell out of reality TV.

I'd say that if anyone is likely to be a "wanderer" it would be people who realise what you have realised above mocachapeau, that they are "saddled with a fat lot of programs, emotional problems, basically a whole list of 3D baggage that holds them back and causes pain to themselves, and others, just as effectively as anyone else".

Because being a "wanderer" or advanced soul would, as I understand it, be someone who has begun to understand and try to work through the lessons of life in this world. Those who ignore those issues within themselves and try to claim to be something they are not are more likely to be immature souls still in caught up in the thrall of illusions.

That seems logical to me. But as you say, "if anyone is likely to be a"wanderer"". I think that's the most important part because I think there are probably souls that are not "wanderers" that are capable of coming to the same realisation.

 

[ana]

Makes it all kind of fun, doesn't it?
All these different souls at different points in the learning cycle, with entirely different levels of development, understanding and experience, entering this reality to be left in an equal state of ignorance with access to the exact same tools (pretty much).

As I see it, the state of ignorance and the “tools” as you say may also differ from one to another, otherwise there would be not free will, depend on the will and effort to know by part of the entity/soul in each reality, or would you say that Laura or many people here is in the same state of ignorance than the rest of the souls incarnating on earth, and seems there have been continues examples of the same throughout history.

No matter who we were before we arrived here is completely irrelevant because we are all equally subject to the same laws, restrictions and influences, with no shortcuts or special protection for anyone.

The subjection to the laws and influences will also vary depending on the entity and its efforts to know, wich is the only protection, that’s for sure, and we have to remember what The Cs always say , ” It is not where you are but who you are and what you see” everything depens on it.

Although we are all working at solving the "big mystery", the answers we find are different for each of us.

Again I think this is not true, otherwise The statement of principles would not exist.

Within the small group of souls that reach 4th density

Why do you assume there would be a small group of souls reaching 4th density, how can you know if it would happen in groups or individually. And if it is not happening step by step while making choices for example..

there will be some who will have no idea how to function there, and others who will have been there before and will remember (assuming the veil is lifted). But as it stands here and now, aside from maybe people like Laura's soul group, we have no idea what kind of role we will play.

What do you mean by the veil lifted, wich veil, there is only one?

 

[mocachapeau]

Makes it all kind of fun, doesn't it?
All these different souls at different points in the learning cycle, with entirely different levels of development, understanding and experience, entering this reality to be left in an equal state of ignorance with access to the exact same tools (pretty much).

As I see it, the state of ignorance and the “tools” as you say may also differ from one to another, otherwise there would be not free will, depend on the will and effort to know by part of the entity/soul in each reality, or would you say that Laura or many people here is in the same state of ignorance than the rest of the souls incarnating on earth, and seems there have been continues examples of the same throughout history.

I agree that the difference between individual souls does, as you say, "depend on the will and effort to know by part of the entity/soul". And I would add to that the fact that the development of the individual soul before this incarnation creates differences in how likely one is to wake up and make those efforts. But when souls are born into this incarnation they are all in the same state of ignorance - they remember nothing of who or what they were before they were born. So in that sense we all have the same starting point - total ignorance.

I don't think it would be far from the truth to say that Laura began this incarnation in the same state of ignorance as everyone else, but the level of development of her soul made a difference in how likely she was to awaken, and what kind of effort she would apply to the learning, throughout her life. And the people here are not "in the same state of ignorance than the rest of the souls incarnating on earth" because of the efforts they have put into learning.

I don't think there is any difference in the tools available to different souls living in a 3D human body. I think they differ only in the extent of their development. Laura has spent her entire lifetime developing her tools of discernment to a greater extent than most, but I think we all have the same tools available for development if we choose to work on them. Although I believe she has written that she is a speed reader with a photographic memory. I don't believe everyone can say THAT.

Although we are all working at solving the "big mystery", the answers we find are different for each of us.

Again I think this is not true, otherwise The statement of principles would not exist.

When I say "the answers we find are different for each of us", I simply mean that although we will discover some very fixed truths about the universe, we will also (re)discover individually who we are, where we are from, how developed our souls are, etc. I mean, has my soul spent its entire existence on earth? Has it ever experienced a density higher than third? What soul group is it a part of and who else is in it? If "wanderers" do exist, will I discover that I am one, or not? I think every soul will find different answers to questions like these.

Within the small group of souls that reach 4th density

Why do you assume there would be a small group of souls reaching 4th density, how can you know if it would happen in groups or individually. And if it is not happening step by step while making choices for example..

My mistake, I should have written "the small number of souls". I think it will be a small number of souls from earth that reach 4D with the coming wave (compared to the number of souls that are here), and I simply referred to them as the group that will advance. I was not referring to them as a "soul group" or implying that they will all be related in any way, other than by virtue of the fact that they will make up the "group" that will reach 4D.

there will be some who will have no idea how to function there, and others who will have been there before and will remember (assuming the veil is lifted). But as it stands here and now, aside from maybe people like Laura's soul group, we have no idea what kind of role we will play.

What do you mean by the veil lifted, wich veil, there is only one?

The veil that I am referring to is the veil that separates our conscious mind from our unconscious mind, the one that prevents us from remembering who we were before entering this 3D body. We humans are all subject to this restriction upon entering this density, here on earth, and it is my understanding that when one leaves this density the veil is "lifted". As far as I know, yes, there is only one. Whenever anyone speaks of "the veil" here on this forum, I am pretty sure this is the veil they are referring to. But I may be mistaken. Is there another veil that you are familiar with and that I may have missed?

 

[ana]

Makes it all kind of fun, doesn't it?
All these different souls at different points in the learning cycle, with entirely different levels of development, understanding and experience, entering this reality to be left in an equal state of ignorance with access to the exact same tools (pretty much).

As I see it, the state of ignorance and the “tools” as you say may also differ from one to another, otherwise there would be not free will, depend on the will and effort to know by part of the entity/soul in each reality, or would you say that Laura or many people here is in the same state of ignorance than the rest of the souls incarnating on earth, and seems there have been continues examples of the same throughout history.

I agree that the difference between individual souls does, as you say, "depend on the will and effort to know by part of the entity/soul". And I would add to that the fact that the development of the individual soul before this incarnation creates differences in how likely one is to wake up and make those efforts. But when souls are born into this incarnation they are all in the same state of ignorance - they remember nothing of who or what they were before they were born. So in that sense we all have the same starting point - total ignorance.

I don't think it would be far from the truth to say that Laura began this incarnation in the same state of ignorance as everyone else, but the level of development of her soul made a difference in how likely she was to awaken, and what kind of effort she would apply to the learning, throughout her life. And the people here are not "in the same state of ignorance than the rest of the souls incarnating on earth" because of the efforts they have put into learning.

I don't think there is any difference in the tools available to different souls living in a 3D human body. I think they differ only in the extent of their development. Laura has spent her entire lifetime developing her tools of discernment to a greater extent than most, but I think we all have the same tools available for development if we choose to work on them.

I agree. :)

Although we are all working at solving the "big mystery", the answers we find are different for each of us.

Again I think this is not true, otherwise The statement of principles would not exist.

When I say "the answers we find are different for each of us", I simply mean that although we will discover some very fixed truths about the universe, we will also (re)discover individually who we are, where we are from, how developed our souls are, etc. I mean, has my soul spent its entire existence on earth? Has it ever experienced a density higher than third? What soul group is it a part of and who else is in it? If "wanderers" do exist, will I discover that I am one, or not? I think every soul will find different answers to questions like these.

Ok, so you where talking about self dudes issues, thanks for clarification

Within the small group of souls that reach 4th density

Why do you assume there would be a small group of souls reaching 4th density, how can you know if it would happen in groups or individually. And if it is not happening step by step while making choices for example..

My mistake, I should have written "the small number of souls". I think it will be a small number of souls from earth that reach 4D with the coming wave (compared to the number of souls that are here), and I simply referred to them as the group that will advance. I was not referring to them as a "soul group" or implying that they will all be related in any way, other than by virtue of the fact that they will make up the "group" that will reach 4D.

Ok, thanks for the clarification

there will be some who will have no idea how to function there, and others who will have been there before and will remember (assuming the veil is lifted). But as it stands here and now, aside from maybe people like Laura's soul group, we have no idea what kind of role we will play.

What do you mean by the veil lifted, wich veil, there is only one?

The veil that I am referring to is the veil that separates our conscious mind from our unconscious mind, the one that prevents us from remembering who we were before entering this 3D body. We humans are all subject to this restriction upon entering this density, here on earth, and it is my understanding that when one leaves this density the veil is "lifted". As far as I know, yes, there is only one. Whenever anyone speaks of "the veil" here on this forum, I am pretty sure this is the veil they are referring to. But I may be mistaken. Is there another veil that you are familiar with and that I may have missed?

As I understand it wich may be wrong, there are as much veils as lies or beliefs about yourself and the universe and when veils are removed there is no need for physical experience, even souls on fifth density are subject to those veils in different levels that’s why they need to be in direct contact with 6th density.

Q: (L) Tonight, I would like to ask about 5th density. How does the "dividing line" between the 4 physical densities and 5th function?
A: Recycling zone, one must have direct contact in perfect balance with those on 6th density in order to fulfill the need for contemplation/learning phase while in between incarnations of 1st through 4th densities.

The veils are only removed on six and seven density or so it seems.

In order to completely remove all attachment to physicality, one must reach sixth density or higher. Everything below that involves some aspect of physicality or attachment to physicality; as in fifth density, the contemplation zone, which is simply a recycling of those from 1st through 4th densities, in the etheric plane. They are brought back down and recycled into one of the physical realms. Each density level one through four, involves lesser and lesser physicality, as you know it, but nevertheless there still is physicality.

Edit: I deleted a question I understood later.. :P