Brace Yourselves For War Between Iran and Israel

From Al Jazeera, nice proof that psychopaths actually dont know nothing about the people and the world. Never in the history of mankind sanctions, bombing, or any other kind of suffering inflicted from outside did divide people who suffer. Quite contrary. People get more united, forget about their differences and fight aggressor as one. British and Germans knew that in World War Two, I saw that myself in 1999.

Israeli PM hopes attacks will widen existing ‘divisions’ in Iranian society: Analyst​


The Soufan Center’s Kenneth Katzman, a senior fellow focused on Iran and the geopolitics of the Middle East at the New York-based think tank, said Netanyahu hopes his attacks on Iran will undermine the government in Tehran and increase antigovernment sentiment.

“Obviously, firing missiles at Iran isn’t going to make the Iranian people like Israel any more than they do, which they don’t – most of them. Though there is a lot of support actually for Israel and the United States inside Iran,” Katzman told Al Jazeera.

“I think Netanyahu is trying to play on these divisions within Iran … and he’s targeting regime hardliners, regime security people who the people dislike greatly,” Katzman said.

“The Iranian people don’t like to be attacked, but after a period of time … it’s going to reinforce the anger the population has at the regime … The regime has already brought comprehensive sanctions. The regime has brought them isolation. Now the regime has brought the war directly to Iran.”
 
From Al Jazeera, nice proof that psychopaths actually dont know nothing about the people and the world. Never in the history of mankind sanctions, bombing, or any other kind of suffering inflicted from outside did divide people who suffer. Quite contrary. People get more united, forget about their differences and fight aggressor as one. British and Germans knew that in World War Two, I saw that myself in 1999.
Not entirely true. Look at what happened to Syria. They bombed the government and instituted terrorist attacks like the cell phone attacks until the main leadership was so weak, the third column could overthrow them. Now Syria is totally in chaos. This is exactly what they are trying to do in Iran. I am sure most of the people in Syria hate the crap out of Israel. However the government was so degraded not only could they not fight Israel, they barely can survive the Islamic terrorists the Israelis and Turks let fill the power vacuum from the fall of the government.

I certainly do hope the Iranian government does survive this so that does not happen.
 
Well, that lasted for 10 years, the threat was perceived as from the inside, not outside. and Iran is not Syria, nor the Iranians are Arabs.
Agreed. But nonetheless it is the same blueprint, on an accelerated timeline as these air strikes are even more devastating than what they did in Syria and they learned from their earlier failures clearly. Hezbollah and Assad both were decapitated in short order within the last year. Decapitate the people in charge in a short period of time while supporting an insurgent - and I am sure they have their terrorist proxies in country already. The Israelis have no chance of taking out the nuclear facilities; but they can take out Iran like they did Syria. I think this is a very realistic concern for Iran, especially if the Mossad still have some more tricks up their sleeves. I hope they can keep the command structure together to an extent that does not happen.
 
I hope the Russians have been working behind the scenes to help Iran prepare for this scenario which was obviously going to happen. However, I seriously doubt anything significant was given to Iran by Russia without the psychos in Israel knowing about it.
Plus a coordinated attack can happen near their territory coming from Ukraine and NATO behind. I think Russia is a bit tied making sure this doesn’t get to happen.
 
Yeah I hope you are right. Iran looked like complete idiots last night. Literally both the the supreme leader and president said America was not to be trusted and negotiations were useless with them. But somehow they relied on "assurances" nothing would be done until the weekend and all decided to get together in a location that could be easily bombed and taken out in a first strike while Americans were moving people out of the region. Given what happened to Hamas and Hezebollah, not to mention warnings that Israel would do something simialr to Iran - Scott Ritter said it multiple times - the Iranians did not have their keep people secured and ready. Total amateur hour.

Trying to keep track of all the nefarious machinations that seemingly are going on all the time, let's not forget this little historical note:
On 3 January 2020, Qasem Soleimani, an Iranian major general, was killed by an American drone strike ordered by U.S. president Donald Trump near Baghdad International Airport in Iraq, while travelling to meet Iraqi prime minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi.

And as the Cs confirmed:
Q: (L) Okay. So, the thing that I thought about it because of Iran's really lukewarm response to the whole thing... I mean, that's the kind of thing that starts freaking wars! Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination started World War I!! Anyway... So here we get this guy assassinated and we didn't get WW III already. So, that made me suspicious. And then they had this little response that was like milquetoast.

(Pierre) It was scripted all along.

(L) Yeah, like it was scripted...

A: Back room deal.

Q: (L) So are you saying that Trump and the Iranians had a backroom deal to take out this guy Soleimani because the Iranians may have actually wanted him gone?

A: Yes

Q: (PoB) Which Iranians?

(Joe) Rouhani and the Ayatollah.

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) So was it decided upon from Trump's perspective as a kind of gift to keep the Israelis happy?

(L) He got to make a grand gesture for his warmongering Deep State and appease Israel, and Iran got rid of somebody that they were getting more and more afraid of.

A: Yes

Q: (L) But still, I don't think the Ayatollahs were the good guys. So maybe he was a good guy. I mean, come on! Those people (Muslims) make women wear...

(Joe) Well... Not the ayatollahs, but...

A: Now now! Don't judge a book...

Q: [laughter] (Joe) Why was the Ukrainian plane shot down? Was it actually a mistake?

A: No

Q: (Joe) Was it something along the lines that we theorized? The missile system was fooled?

A: The systems were co-opted by nefarious agents.

Q: (Joe) And would that be Mossad?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Our favorite spy group.

(Niall) Does that mean then that the same elements in the Iranian regime that made a deal to take out Soleimani helped to cover it up?

A: Yes

Yeah - just try to figure out what's really going on. Plus, as someone has already reminded, the Cs said a one world government already exists. Doesn't it seem like it's all just a big charade to befuddle and drive humanity mad - and a loosh generator to the max!
 
If Israel is counting on some kind of popular uprising leading to regime change as a follow up plan, I think they miscalculated.

Regarding the possible Israeli involvement in operation 'Spider's web' in Ukraine.

Seeing some reports on Telegram of trucks carrying drones intercepted in Iran. Another Mossad operation, but this time they found them.

❗🇮🇱/🇮🇷 NEW: The Iranian Ministry of Intelligence intercepted a van transporting drones in Zanjan, and a Toyota Hilux with a cabin full of drones was uncovered in another location

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Mike Pompeo has come out to "refresh our memories"—to give us potential spoilers—let's see how much of what he said actually comes true.
He has said that a major incident could occur soon, that Iran could carry out cyber attacks in various parts since the IRGC has been working on planting various terrorist cells in various countries, including the USA, so this will be a very difficult period (he says it will be, not that it could be) and that it is important for both the USA and other countries to be united against this to dissuade them from carrying out any attack against any American anywhere and in any field (in another video related to saying that Iran is behind the deaths of hundreds of Americans and they continue trying to kill American officials) and that it is also important that Israel finish its mission so that the threat passes, he also believes that for the above to happen, this could last several weeks since Israel must systematically destroy several of Iran's defenses ... He says that he was involved in thinking about what forces were necessary to solve that same problem and therefore the time estimates he gives.

Regarding the bigger picture, I honestly don't know what will happen or how much of Iran's statements are bragging and lies (as in Syria's final moments), but I'm inclined to believe that Iran will continue to focus on de-escalation as much as possible simply because, to a normal mind, the risk of total destruction is too high and some damage is preferable. Once again, its initial attacks show a certain degree of restraint.

What is known is that Iran expected the majority of its military arsenal in underground bases to be partially or completely destroyed by Israel. This lesson was learned in 1980 during its war with Iraq, where the latter attempted to replicate (unsuccessfully due to its capabilities) Israel's attacks on the Egyptian air force during the Six-Day War.

While Iraq was unable to do so, they knew that a superior enemy like Israel could annihilate them in a surprise "preemptive" attack, as they like and often do. That's why Iran built many underground bases, which, as far as we know, have been kept relatively secret.

While the Mossad may know where some of them could be located or know their content to a certain extent due to its infiltration networks, let us not be completely impressed since they apparently only suspect, but are not sure that Iran has nuclear weapons, which represents a certain merit for the latter in terms of achieving a certain degree of secrecy, some facilities could even be 800 meters deep, Israel does not have the bombers or the bunker-busting weapons to reach that depth, even with all the US B-2s it is not possible even with the most powerful nuclear weapons.
IAEA's Director Rafael Grossi said this on June 6:
Worse, Iran’s nuclear capabilities could not be destroyed with a single surgical strike. “The most sensitive things are half a mile underground — I have been there many times,” he says. “To get there you take a spiral tunnel down, down, down.”
So the current situation in Iran is mostly not something that catches them by surprise, they know that Israel cannot destroy them without the help of the United States or without resorting to nuclear weapons, and that is why their escalation is gradual, they know that the plan is to involve the USA at all costs, certain false flag attacks could help as Pompeo raised as a possibility since the large country of the north must have been somewhat frightened by the damage suffered under the Houthis and something is needed to further justify its intervention, (more so if Iranian missile capabilities are superior to those of the Houthis)
They do not even feel completely threatened at the moment apparently by nuclear weapons since they have not attacked Israeli facilities where they could be found, they have only limited themselves to threatening to attack bases in the region of countries that get involved, which could show that they know what Israel wants.

Finally in a display of bragging and arrogance, Mike Pompeo in another of his recent statements after being asked about whether Israel needs the capabilities of US armor-piercing weapons to be able to destroy these bases and thus eliminate the threat effectively, says he knows nothing, but that he trusts Trump ... that it could be achieved with a lot of work and with indirect help from the US, he also says he is aware of Iran's powerful missile industry (it could be very serious for a country as small as Israel), but it can be seen that his reading of the matter is very naive and he has not understood that Iran is not seeking to escalate or do much damage and on the contrary only to keep up appearances when it attacked with old ballistic missiles last year, he mocks that when the US makes up its mind the Iranians only threaten, that despite the latter they did not attack when they declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel or when they killed Soleimani ... in short, an underestimation that could cost them dearly.

 

Mike Pompeo has come out to "refresh our memories"—to give us potential spoilers—let's see how much of what he said actually comes true.
He has said that a major incident could occur soon, that Iran could carry out cyber attacks in various parts since the IRGC has been working on planting various terrorist cells in various countries, including the USA, so this will be a very difficult period (he says it will be, not that it could be) and that it is important for both the USA and other countries to be united against this to dissuade them from carrying out any attack against any American anywhere and in any field (in another video related to saying that Iran is behind the deaths of hundreds of Americans and they continue trying to kill American officials) and that it is also important that Israel finish its mission so that the threat passes, he also believes that for the above to happen, this could last several weeks since Israel must systematically destroy several of Iran's defenses ... He says that he was involved in thinking about what forces were necessary to solve that same problem and therefore the time estimates he gives.

Regarding the bigger picture, I honestly don't know what will happen or how much of Iran's statements are bragging and lies (as in Syria's final moments), but I'm inclined to believe that Iran will continue to focus on de-escalation as much as possible simply because, to a normal mind, the risk of total destruction is too high and some damage is preferable. Once again, its initial attacks show a certain degree of restraint.

What is known is that Iran expected the majority of its military arsenal in underground bases to be partially or completely destroyed by Israel. This lesson was learned in 1980 during its war with Iraq, where the latter attempted to replicate (unsuccessfully due to its capabilities) Israel's attacks on the Egyptian air force during the Six-Day War.

While Iraq was unable to do so, they knew that a superior enemy like Israel could annihilate them in a surprise "preemptive" attack, as they like and often do. That's why Iran built many underground bases, which, as far as we know, have been kept relatively secret.

While the Mossad may know where some of them could be located or know their content to a certain extent due to its infiltration networks, let us not be completely impressed since they apparently only suspect, but are not sure that Iran has nuclear weapons, which represents a certain merit for the latter in terms of achieving a certain degree of secrecy, some facilities could even be 800 meters deep, Israel does not have the bombers or the bunker-busting weapons to reach that depth, even with all the US B-2s it is not possible even with the most powerful nuclear weapons.
IAEA's Director Rafael Grossi said this on June 6:

So the current situation in Iran is mostly not something that catches them by surprise, they know that Israel cannot destroy them without the help of the United States or without resorting to nuclear weapons, and that is why their escalation is gradual, they know that the plan is to involve the USA at all costs, certain false flag attacks could help as Pompeo raised as a possibility since the large country of the north must have been somewhat frightened by the damage suffered under the Houthis and something is needed to further justify its intervention, (more so if Iranian missile capabilities are superior to those of the Houthis)
They do not even feel completely threatened at the moment apparently by nuclear weapons since they have not attacked Israeli facilities where they could be found, they have only limited themselves to threatening to attack bases in the region of countries that get involved, which could show that they know what Israel wants.

Finally in a display of bragging and arrogance, Mike Pompeo in another of his recent statements after being asked about whether Israel needs the capabilities of US armor-piercing weapons to be able to destroy these bases and thus eliminate the threat effectively, says he knows nothing, but that he trusts Trump ... that it could be achieved with a lot of work and with indirect help from the US, he also says he is aware of Iran's powerful missile industry (it could be very serious for a country as small as Israel), but it can be seen that his reading of the matter is very naive and he has not understood that Iran is not seeking to escalate or do much damage and on the contrary only to keep up appearances when it attacked with old ballistic missiles last year, he mocks that when the US makes up its mind the Iranians only threaten, that despite the latter they did not attack when they declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel or when they killed Soleimani ... in short, an underestimation that could cost them dearly.


And of course, modern missile attacks are often overestimated by propaganda in terms of destroying large areas or achieving the total annihilation of enemy weapons... it's a process that takes weeks or months in some scenarios, especially considering that Israel might not be able to sustain a long-term war.
Speaking of things that I think are also overestimated, at least partially and in context, are air defenses, although they remain vital for protection. They generally do their job of destroying older missiles, but against more modern weapons, many are somewhat obsolete. Large numbers of both aircraft and their ammunition (often expensive and limited depending on the type of launcher) are also generally required to mount sufficiently effective area defenses. But when it is achieved, and given what we saw during last year's attacks and recent events, Iran appears to be sufficiently well defended in its capital (and perhaps elsewhere) against Israeli materiel by these systems, which include the Russian S-300s.
 
Considering that there are certifiably insane people in positions of power, who knows what they might do. The C's said that they do not know for sure that Iran has nuclear weapons:



On the other hand the C's also said that there would be no man-made all out nuclear war:



Though if I remember correctly, they said that limited use of nuclear weapons is possible? Cannot find that part in the transcripts.
Yes, I remember the Cs did say there will not be an "nuclear" war but there may be use of smaller "limited" versions like a "drity nuke or two" just as the situation became tense in Syria. I think the this may apply to the general overall use of nuclear weapons.

Session 15 October 2016:
(Windmill knight) Is the situation in Syria going to escalate to a third world war as some people think?

A: No. But there may be a terrorist dirty nuke or two!
 
Slavyangrad:

Slavyangrad said:
Overall, it is worth saying that yesterday's Iranian response to Israel's massive strikes turned out to be significantly weaker in terms of consequences, scale and strategic depth than expected.

Israel launched targeted, coordinated strikes that knocked out much of the critical infrastructure of Iran's nuclear program and destroyed key IRGC leadership, including the command and engineering core responsible for advancing the nuclear cycle. The same cannot be said of facilities that were built with the prospect of events like yesterday in mind.

The Iranian response, on the contrary, was more symbolic: a series of spectacular launches and demonstrative steps, calculated for the domestic public and to maintain the course of action, but not changing the balance in the real plane. An exception can and will be considered a strike on the Israeli nuclear center in Dimona, but only if the facility's incapacitation is confirmed.

However, it is worth noting that after the vertical of command was decapitated, Iran managed to restore the necessary level of operational coordination in less than a day . This indicates the presence of duplicate circuits and crisis protocols in the decision-making system, which generally increases the stability of the regime.


The next expected step is the threat to close the Strait of Hormuz and Israel's readiness to strike Iran's entire oil infrastructure in response. This is a direct slide of the conflict into an energy escalation , which is already affecting global markets and drawing into the game not only the Middle Eastern countries, but also all the main oil importers - from China to India. And if this direction is activated, the conflict will go beyond the framework of neighborly strife and move into the phase of a regional redistribution of leverage through strikes on the economy .

Israel has shown that it can destroy strategic objects. Iran has shown that it can maintain external control even with significant internal losses. Now the parties are ready to take the next steps. If Iran's nuclear program survives yesterday's strikes, Iran will likely set a course for creating nuclear weapons, something the country has publicly denied in recent years.

Slavyangrad said:
It is important to clarify that Israel, taking advantage of the day of information and military dominance, immediately recorded its own version of what happened in the public space: according to the IDF, almost all key facilities were hit - from nuclear infrastructure to ballistic missile launchers. However, the degree to which these statements correspond to the actual damage remains a matter of doubt.

The strikes were indeed carried out on a number of critical points - Natanz, Isfahan, Espejabad - but, as satellite images and the structure of the damage show, we are talking mainly about the destruction of surface, albeit important objects : antennas and radars, power units, power supply systems and life support of individual nuclear centers. That is, what was detected from satellites.

The buried nuclear facilities, especially Fordow, are likely partially damaged. Iran built these facilities with the direct threat of an Israeli strike in mind, and created exactly the kind of burial schemes that are not damaged by conventional air-launched munitions, even bunker busters.

As for Israel's claims of destroying "a significant portion of Iran's ballistic arsenal," they also need to be verified. The very fact that about 200 ballistic missiles were used in the retaliatory salvo suggests that a significant portion of the infrastructure survived the strike and remained operational. Like missiles. It is possible that some launchers were damaged in the deployed position, as was claimed, but it is too early to talk about "the suppression of the entire launch/missile infrastructure."

From multiple sources, citing Fars Agency:
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Even if this is just for propaganda purposes, it's highly escalatory rhetoric that will only make Iran look weak unless they follow through.

And this from the New York Times:

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Is there a hint of uncertainty from the deep state's media organs that things did not exactly go according to plan?
 
Here is a 10:35 min. video of Vasily Nebenzya, Russian representative at the UN Security Council, speaking at an emergency meeting.



First of all we would like to express our condolences to the leadership and the people of the Islamic Republic of Iran having to do with the numerous victims, including among civilians, which were the result of Israeli action.

In front of our eyes, because of Israeli action, what is happening is a very dangerous escalation in the Middle East region and this is something that requires an immediate attention from this council. We are grateful to the Guyana presidency for convening this meeting of ours so expeditiously.

It’s symptomatic that initially the council was to consider today, at this very time, the humanitarian consequences of inhumane actions by Israel against the people in the Gaza Strip. Instead of that we are here having to discuss a new most dangerous and irresponsible adventure by West Jerusalem in the region, but this time it is also pushing the region to a large scale nuclear catastrophe.

In the early hours of the 13th of June, Israel delivered a number of extensive strikes against the territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Peaceful, sleeping cities were struck, civilian infrastructure and peaceful nuclear installations under IAEA safeguards. We heard from the briefers today that there have been victims amongst civilians. This completely unprovoked attack, no matter what Israel says to the contrary, is a gross violation of the UN charter and international law.

One is left with the impression that the leadership of Israel is convinced that they have a completely free hand in the region and they probably think that Israel can flout any legal norms and replace all international bodies including the security council and IAA.

The Russian Federation strongly condemns this action by West Jerusalem.

West Jerusalem's military adventure pushes the region to the brink of a large-scale war and the responsibility for all of the consequences of these actions lies fully with the Israeli leadership and those who encourage them.

We are particularly concerned by the potential radiological consequences of hitting nuclear installations. My country ha,s for a number of years, been warning and saying that trying to resolve by force the issues surrounding the Iran nuclear program are unacceptable as they can lead to the most dire consequences, not just the Middle East region but for the world as a whole. But these calls of ours were not heeded and the situation is now following the most negative and unpredictable scenario.

Madame President, Israeli actions are aimed at undermining the various negotiating efforts underway now, the efforts to lower the tensions surrounding Iran's peaceful nuclear program. The whole world is looking with hope for the outcome of yet another round of indirect contacts between Iran and the United States and they were planned for the 15th of June. Israel decided to preempt this, in the way they deem necessary, and started bombing the nuclear and energy infrastructure in Iran showing their contempt for laws, norms, agreements, rules, everything that is the basis for a civilized interaction between states.

The responsibility for what happened is not just with the state of Israel but also on its closest allies. This is a direct consequence of Western countries acquiescence
who, for months, knowingly and methodically pumped up anti-Iran hysteria in the UN security council and in the board of governors of IAA. The States didn't even try to come up with a constructive solution to the crisis surrounding the joint comprehensive plan of action and the Security Council Resolution #2231 which endorsed it. Their goal was completely different. It was to put pressure on Iran, in any way possible, to paint Iran as the source of all the trouble in the region and to baselessly present the reciprocal legitimate steps by Tehran, when they try to trigger the protection mechanisms in JCPOA, as violating the obligations on non-proliferation. The Iranians took this for years and did not reject interacting with IAA nor did move away from a dialogue service as to find negotiated solutions.

I would like to recall here - and this is of principal importance now - that all of the issues having to do with JCPOA began when the United States unilaterally left the nuclear deal in 2018 and also because of the principled unwillingness by the UK, France and Germany, to comply with the obligations they have under JCPOA, including to create the conditions for Tehran to receive the material yield from the lifting of unilateral sanctions by the EU in force until 2015. And later they even went so far as to resume unilateral sanctions which it runs counter to Article #25 of the Charter. The European Union also joined in with its pressure disregarding thus their duty of impartial coordinator of the joint JCPOA commission.

The most egregious example was what happened in Vienna yesterday. Yet another biased and divorce from reality resolution passed by the board of governors of IAA which talks about some trumped top threat to international peace and security from the Iran nuclear program. This happened despite the fact that Iran is strictly complying with its obligations under NPT and under the comprehensive safeguards agreements and despite the fact that Iran remains the most inspected IIA state and, the reports of IIA Secretary state clearly, that there is no non-proliferation risk.

In other words the Western participants to the JCPOA have been doing everything to fuel the escalation and essentially incited it. They artificially created tension and international platforms and this only provide Israel with additional impetus for radical steps and created the feeling of impunity with Israel.

In the context of the current strikes by Israel what we noticed is the information mass media about the fact that there was likely coordination between Israel and British Special Services. Immediately after the Israeli strikes they sheltered the Israeli aviation which participated in the strikes in their bases in Cyprus. We also noticed the statement made by Israel when they said that they warned about their attacks, they warned Germany, JCPOA participant and Italy. It also came to the fore that our American colleagues also had had information about the strikes. These Israeli strikes were also supported by the French who clearly knew about them beforehand.

And we will not be surprised here if the members of this group of like-minded States will start condemning Iran for their actions which they undertook fully in line with article #51 of the Charter.


We are following very closely the current situation with the IIA Secretariat. The life and health of its personnel has been threatened by the Israeli military adventure and we expect that the director general of the agency is going to provide us with objective assessment and analysis of developing situation including from the viewpoint of radiological consequences.

Madame President, the unprovoked attacks against the territory of sovereign Iran, the targeted strikes on the peaceful nuclear facilities, cannot be justified in any way. The international community cannot,and should not, stand idly by when such a provocation presents itself. And tolerating such actions is a sure way to large scale war and a serious threat to global security. We’re convinced that this, the Security Council, has to provide an unequivocal legal and political assessment of what's been done by Israel and also call for an immediate halt to any kind of pressure by force and for a rejection of practice of unilateral military steps.

We need to support any and all diplomatic efforts aimed at de-escalation and the return to negotiations. Let me underscore yet once again that settling issues having to do with the Iranian nuclear program is only possible if a peaceful political and diplomatic pathway is followed. Nor forceful resolution can be either legitimate nor viable here. By the way, let me say that the United States themselves have stated this repeatedly when they explain their readiness to continue with negotiations.

Russia remains committed to strengthening international law, abiding by the UN Charter and finding solutions which exclude further sliding of the region towards a new destructive war and we are ready to work with all those who will advocate diplomacy and who will be looking for peaceful means to resolves differences. I thank you.
 

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