Brace Yourselves For War Between Iran and Israel

Replying to myself here. You think Khameni bolted?
He might have. But I could also see him staying understanding his martyrdom might be an even better weapon against the West. He is up there in age as well, so if he really believes the Islamic stuff he is spouting, he would get his eternal rewards.

I think the bigger question is, did they smuggle some of their most sensitive equipment for the nuclear program to China, Russia, or Pakistan? That would be even more clever! Roll it right back in then the bombing is over!
 
If true, who could be those allies? China might be one possibility. Anyone else more directly in the region? Maybe even some allies who could invade with troops? Looking at the map there might be a number of possibilities who either border on Israel or are not too far away via the Mediterranean. How great would it be if Israel gets invaded?! Probably very unlikely, but one can hope, right?
Someone else said at one point that Hezbollah WANTED to be involved and were told to hold off until the US gets involved (which I assume Iran believes knows is inevitable).
 
Once Trump was elected, I thought one of his main weak points, which could be used against him, was his take on Iran and obvious support for Israel/the jewish folk, and that the intel agencies, MIC, and Israel, etc could or would manipulate him into the situation we are seeing unfold right now. This has unfolded pretty fast and feels and is much different than the various exchanges Israel and Iran have had in recent times.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm going with 'the US is still eventually getting directly involved'. I feel pretty strongly about this. Even if Trump is able to delay, he will be manipulated and made to take part via something like a false flag move... I don't think he has it in him and the people surrounding him to see through such a manipulation.

I think I read or heard via video that Israel had been planning the attack on Iran for 8 months or so. That would put the planning a little before the US election and Trump win. Figure Israel determined Trump would win and started to plan for what is happening now and set the plan in motion when negotiations with Iran were about to be finalized. Also, figure they have a planned for and will execute it to bring Trump and the US into the mix directly, even if Trump delays and ultimately doesn't want to get the US directly involved.
and if the Zionists have been planning this attack for the last 8 months, is it any surprise that the Iranians have been preparing themselves (as per Joe's earlier post) for the last 3 or 4 months? I imagine the Iranian leadership exist in a state of perpetual watchfulness, if not quite justified paranoia.

Let's see what surprises they have in store for Israel and the US...
 
Definitely a possibility. But, really? Who's gonna believe them this time? In the immortal words of Dubya: "Fool me once, shame on, eh...can't get fooled again!"

[For those who don't know, the phrase is: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." But Dubya bungled it, as he often did with phrases that were longer than 2 words.]

There is another interpretation.

Politicians don't like to use negative words about themselves. That's why they use "misspoke" instead of "made a mistake".

Dubya realized too late in the game he shouldn't say "shame on me" on record as that would give his adversaries a treasure trove of potential attacks. I guess he wasn't bright enough to foresee that but, hey, we all have our faults!
 
Seymour Hersh's latest substack. Basically, it's already been decided. He makes an interesting point that the CIA has a secret base in Azerbaijan, which fits with last year's helicopter downing that killed the Iranian pres. as a preparatory step to what we are seeing today.

This is a report on what is most likely to happen in Iran, as early as this weekend, according to Israeli insiders and American officials I’ve relied upon for decades. It will entail heavy American bombing. I have vetted this report with a longtime US official in Washington, who told me that all will be “under control” if Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei “departs.” Just how that might happen, short of his assassination, is not known. There has been a great deal of talk about American firepower and targets inside Iran, but little practical thinking, as far I can tell, about how to remove a revered religious leader with an enormous following.

I have reported from afar on the nuclear and foreign policy of Israel for decades. My 1991 book The Samson Option told the story of the making of the Israeli nuclear bomb and America’s willingness to keep the project secret. The most important unanswered question about the current situation will be the response of the world, including that of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president who has been an ally of Iran’s leaders.

The United States remains Israel’s most important ally, although many here and around the world abhor Israel’s continuing murderous war in Gaza. The Trump administration is in full support of Israel’s current plan to rid Iran of any trace of a nuclear weapons program while hoping the ayatollah-led government in Tehran will be overthrown.

I have been told that the White House has signed off on an all-out bombing campaign in Iran, but the ultimate targets, the centrifuges buried at least eighty meters below the surface at Fordow, will, as of this writing, not be struck until the weekend. The delay has come at Trump’s insistence because the president wants the shock of the bombing to be diminished as much as possible by the opening of Wall Street trading on Monday. (Trump took issue on social media this morning with a Wall Street Journal report that said he had decided on the attack on Iran, writing that he had yet to decide on a path forward.)

Fordow is home to the remaining majority of Iran’s most advanced centrifuges that have produced, according to recent reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to which Iran is a signatory, nine hundred pounds of uranium enriched to 60 percent, a short step from weapons-grade levels.

The most recent Israeli bombing attacks on Iran have made no attempts to destroy the centrifuges at Fordow, which are stored at least eighty meters underground. It has been agreed, as of Wednesday, that US bombers carrying bunker bombs capable of penetrating to that depth, will begin attacking the Fordow facility this weekend.

The delay will give US military assets throughout the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean—there are more than two dozen US Air Force bases and Navy ports in the region—a chance to prepare for possible Iranian retaliation. The assumption is that Iran still has some missile and air force capability that will be on US bombing lists. “This is a chance to do away with this regime once and for all,” an informed official told me today, “and so we might as well go big.” He said, however, “that it will not be carpet bombing.”

The planned weekend bombing will also have new targets: the bases of the Republican Guards, which have countered those campaigning against the revolutionary leadership since the violent overthrow of the shah of Iran in early 1979.

The Israeli leadership under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hopes that the bombings will provide “the means of creating an uprising” against Iran’s current regime, which has shown little tolerance for those who defy the religious leadership and its edicts. Iranian police stations will be struck. Government offices that house files on suspected dissenters in Iran will also be attacked.

The Israelis apparently also hope, so I gather, that Khamenei will flee the country and not make a stand until the end. I was told that his personal plane left Tehran airport headed for Oman early Wednesday morning, accompanied by two fighter planes, but it is not known whether he was aboard.

Only two thirds of Iran’s population of 90 million are Persians. The largest minority groups include Azeris, many of whom have long-standing covert ties to the Central Intelligence Agency, Kurds, Arabs, and Baluchis. Jews make up a small minority group there, too. (Azerbaijan is the site of a large secret CIA base for operations in Iran.)

Bringing back the shah’s son, now living in exile in near Washington, has never been considered by the American and Israeli planners, I was told. But there has been talk among the White House planning group that includes Vice President J.D. Vance, of installing a moderate religious leader to run the country if Khamenei is deposed. The Israelis bitterly objected to the idea. “They don’t give a shit on the religious issue, but demand a political puppet to control,” the longtime US official said. “We are split with the Izzies on this. Result would be permanent hostility and future conflict in perpetuity, Bibi desperately trying to draw US in as their ally against all things Muslim, using the plight of the citizens as propaganda bait.”

There is the hope in the American and Israeli intelligence communities, I was told, that elements of the Azeri community will join in a popular revolt against the ruling regime, should one develop during the continued Israeli bombing. There also is the thought that some members of the Revolutionary Guard would join in what I was told might be “a democratic uprising against the ayatollahs”—a long-held aspiration of the US government. The sudden and successful overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in Syria was cited as a potential model, although Assad’s demise came after a long civil war.

It is possible that the result of the massive Israeli and US bombing attack could leave Iran in a state of permanent failure, as happened after the Western intervention in Libya in 2011. That revolt resulted in the brutal murder of Muammar Gaddafi, who had kept the disparate tribes there under control. The futures of Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, all victims of repeated outside attacks, are far from settled.

Donald Trump clearly wants an international win he can market. To accomplish that, he and Netanyahu are taking America to places it has never been.
 
Meanwhile, Jordan Peterson is still completely clueless. *sigh*


The article says:
Russia and Iran are targeting the Make America Great Again movement and trying to “destabilize the right from within,” according to a new report.

Both rogue states are using tens of thousands of social media bots to amplify untrue voices and opinions “masquerading as MAGA loyalists,” to cause chaos and confusion and question US leadership, The Post has learned.

The bots are automated software applications that mimic human activity on social media.

They are used to amplify real-life influencers who post untrue “false flag” narratives designed to discredit President Donald Trump and his conservative stalwarts, according to a bombshell new report from the Network Contagion Research Institute, a politically neutral nonprofit who study extremism on the web.

“If you talk to Republicans right now, more than 80 percent of them support the war against Iran. But if you go on Twitter you get the sense that there is a civil war raging.

“This is exactly the purpose of the psychological operation — to destabilize people’s perceptions of institutions that are supposed to protect us,” said an NCRI analyst.

So if you are against the war, you're probably a Russian or Iranian bot. :rolleyes:
 
Seymour Hersh's latest substack. Basically, it's already been decided. He makes an interesting point that the CIA has a secret base in Azerbaijan, which fits with last year's helicopter downing that killed the Iranian pres. as a preparatory step to what we are seeing today.
Only two thirds of Iran’s population of 90 million are Persians. The largest minority groups include Azeris, many of whom have long-standing covert ties to the Central Intelligence Agency, Kurds, Arabs, and Baluchis. Jews make up a small minority group there, too. (Azerbaijan is the site of a large secret CIA base for operations in Iran.)
It is not entirely clear from the context whether this refers to Iranian/Southern Azerbaijan (3 provinces of Iran) or the Republic of Azerbaijan (the capital Baku, former part of the USSR). The latter also directly supports Israel and Ukraine and pursues an anti-Russian (and presumably anti-Iranian) policy.
 
Retired Colonel Watkins is a wealth of information. She gives the over view most of us are aware of, the International power structures ruling the planet and goes into details of that operation much of which began after WW2. All countries have their deep state intelligence agencies like the CIA and all countries in the middle east have been destabilized. She describes some of Irans history with the DS and its control of its intelligence agency. For many countries where the deep state operates it's common for these agencies to be working outside the "elected" leaders knowledge and intentions. China?

A few interesting bits:

The former Shaw, a CIA puppet, son has made his appearance in the media claiming he should be the new leader after regime change! A bit suspicious.

Tucker Carlson is likely working with Trump to expose people like his recent explosive interview with Sen. Ted Cruz. He also interviewed a top assassin for the CIA. I suspected Tucker was working with Trump when he interviewed Putin then went to Canada.

Trump says the US has control of Iran's airspace. This is likely space surveillance satellites, Space Force, etc.

Presently staged events are happening in the US where Democrat politicians are being arrested to show how the Trump admin. is attacking democracy (by arresting someone whose breaking the law!). AOC's ties to CIA.

Headlines such as Chinese navy off the west coast of USA and radiation sniffer planes just being activated are examples of rising tension tactics where fear is being used to alarm the public. These are not new events but are routine and don't indicate unusual activity. Fortunately, Trump can't be manipulated by such fear tactics which have been so successful with other leaders, according to Watkins this gives Trump an advantage.

Deep state tactics unfolding in the USA. If you know how Operation Gladio works you have a good understanding of whats happening, she says.

I hope you find this informative. I think she's brilliant.

Starts at 13.54

 
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Well, just freshen my entry on "the list"... sent a message to the WH with a supportive message and weighing in on the NO to war side of things... I really don't want the US dragged into this and hate it but we'll see... not looking good...
 
Seymour Hersh's latest substack. Basically, it's already been decided. He makes an interesting point that the CIA has a secret base in Azerbaijan, which fits with last year's helicopter downing that killed the Iranian pres. as a preparatory step to what we are seeing today.
This analysis seems to be wishful thinking/narrative control, suggesting that the US/Israel will be able to do as it pleases without incurring any significant, ego-busting casualties. What happens when Iran decides it has to take an extreme decision and use its most powerful weapons, faced with the existential threat of US and Israeli heavy (potentially nuclear) bombing? Will we get to see if the C's claim about Iranian nuclear weapons is true?

(Maybe we should send the link to Hersh's substack to the Iranian military command, you know, give them a heads up! ;-) )
 
Signs of cold feet in the WH? Starting to look a bit like the tariffs gambit, no?
There have been two polls taken - one by Charlie Kirk and one by Thomas Massie - that indicated public sentiment was overwhelmingly against US Israel/Iran war involvement.

I wonder if the White House is getting slammed with emails/calls/telegrams from Trump's base and others to NOT start another Mideast war particularly on behalf of Israel! Same for Congress - is the public screaming NO?!!

Surely Trump is being made aware of this massive discontent by the voters (in addition to celebrity MAGA peeps) and we all know he thrives on adulation! He's set a path of MAGA goals that could all be demolished if he breaks that most important MAGA plank - NO NEW WARS! He's already on thin ice with the Ukraine war fiasco that he didn't put a stop to in 24 hours! Does he want to risk being the guy who sets off WWIII - that brings untold destruction to America as well as Israel? Too much of a god complex to even contemplate that?

People aren't as blind or gullible as they used to be and getting damn tired of being depleted economically so the military machine can keep destroying and killing and that might even result in restoring the draft - killing our young in another war that doesn't benefit US citizens at all. Add on that the price of oil could skyrocket to the point that it will be impossible to commute to jobs, get to medical appointments, go to stores for food/necessities, or to schools/classes. Imagine the outrage that will ensue! Civil war even!

Not just no, but HELL NO!

I think one of the largest geopolitical indicators may have been the three Chinese cargo planes flying into Iran the day after the Israeli attack.
There was speculation that a Chinese plane did land in Iran with materials to aid them. Posted these:

Doing more than just warning?
Chinas Covert Cargo Flight to Iran Sparks Global Crisis: Transponder Blackout Ignites Fears of World War

Possible confirmation?
Mohammad Marandi LEAKS: Trump's Secret Nuclear Talks with Israel! China & Russia Land Nukes to Iran!
Meanwhile, China and Russia are reportedly delivering nuclear capabilities to Iran, marking a dangerous shift in global power dynamics. This revelation signals a critical turning point in the race toward nuclear escalation.

Again, has Trump not taken into consideration the ramifications regarding both China and Russia if he decides to engage US military involvement? Besides Putin's being on the phone with him, how about Russia's helping build new reactors in Iran with lots of Russian personnel residing there? Is he willing to risk a major blowup by his actions that will very negatively affect both China and Russia/BRICS? Just how intense is neocon/Zionist/DS/MIC pressure to "just do it!" What about the dirt he has on Israel/Mossad in the Epstein files - is that not leverage? Has he formed an irresistible god-like complex since his ear got whacked that will only respond to Israel's siren call?

two weeks to flatten the covid curve
YIKES - and we know how that turned out!

there are other 'forces' at work in this big show. Mother nature too?
Unexpected events are ripe for happening with the realm border already manifesting (and let's not forget that Mideast portal) - curious appearances in the sky, 4D bleedthrough incidents, window fallers or 4D critters suddenly showing up - maybe "help is on the way" ones even! And with so much internal US strife along with global strife, a major earthquake or volcano eruption could change everything. Torrential rain to the point of devastating flash floods could hit either/or both Israel/Iran. The Cs have indicated that things will be explosive and shocking in recent sessions. Wait and see.

I was thinking of writing something...
I was contemplating to also contact the White House/Trump to voice my strong opposition to engaging in Israel's war. Debating if a complete waste of time to do the same of House Rep (Blue Woke/DEI POC Democrat) and Senators (both Red Republicans). Will the WH ban me like TS did to Joe? :lol: Wow, those new censorship rules are something else!

"You are no longer considered a US citizen and are forbidden to ever attempt to contact President Trump again. Your deportation papers are being arranged. ICE will be arriving in full riot gear shortly. Your one-way flight to Gitmo leaves tonight. Do not attempt to evade this action."

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Hmm - worth taking a Chance? How is the weather in Cuba . . . :rolleyes:

did they smuggle some of their most sensitive equipment for the nuclear program to China, Russia, or Pakistan?
Or maybe that batch of secret documents about Israel's nuclear program - plus other possibly incriminating "secrets!" Maybe could prove to be more devastating to Israel than a nuke! Remember - those Epstein files . . .
 
Interesting body language analysis of Trump, as well as how Trump really feels about Netanyahu (at the 10:00 minute mark):


Basically, Trump genuinely dislikes all the killing and death, but he has this firm belief that "Iran cannot have nuclear weapons". This body language expert thinks that Trump may be giving Israel rope to hang itself, as in Sun Tsu's "don't stop an enemy that is harming itself". Though that too may be false hope.
 
FYI, Polymarket as a "they", and as you are describing here, is not involved in predicting events.

Currently the Polymarket consensus on US military action in Iran before July is back below 50%.
Thanks for the update, and yay. The tweet I posted was the latest I could find on their feed.

"They" as you pointed out was inaccurate, but I wasn't sure how to describe Polymarket. People make real money bets on these events, so maybe crowd-sourced projections?
 

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