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Brace Yourselves For War Between Iran and Israel
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It does look a bit like that. Iranian sources are saying that there wasn't a lot of damage and that those facilities had been evacuated already. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that they were told in advance, because actually they've been saying it for a while everywhere, so anyone would take those precautions given the situation.
Will it be enough for Israel? How will Iran retaliate? (I'm not asking you only, I'm just echoing the questions in a lot of people's minds now). Right now, a lot of the reports aren't easily verifiable, so it's hard to see more clearly.
There's this from DD Geopolitics on Telegram:
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t.me
The United States violated the United Nations Charter and international law by attacking Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities, Iranian Foreign Minister Araghchi said.
This attack is outrageous and will have far-reaching consequences, he added
Here's Araghchi post:
And just now:
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WhiteMountain
Jedi
Scott Ritter pretty much has it right "Where's the Beef" He bombed 2 facilities already hit and empty and bounced a bunch of bombs of Fordow doing nothing, JUST TO SAVE FACE. And Embarrassment of a President. An interesting point he makes - the US did not use any asset in the region to launch the strike. It was done from Guam. So technically Iran could avoid retaliating against complicit bases in their reach (without using their subs at least...).
This from Netanyahu congratulating Trump after the US strike
He comments this will bring peace to the world. This from the mouth of someone that is acknowledged by many political leaders and geopolitical experts to be the greatest threat to world peace. He appears unable to contain his glee.
He comments this will bring peace to the world. This from the mouth of someone that is acknowledged by many political leaders and geopolitical experts to be the greatest threat to world peace. He appears unable to contain his glee.
Iran already said beforehand that they may close the Straight of Hormuz if there is an attack and this would be a great lever since so many countries will suffer from it and are dependent of oil. Most western countries are so blind and don't mind their own citizens and that they will suffer a lot. Though from a STS view, it is great farming for them.
Further on, I personally don't think it will end so easy for Trump and Israel. Because this art of the deal stuff, going back and forth happened too many times and Trump himself made himself even more unreliable. Even when it was just a soft attack on Iran. Someone like that you don't need in politics. Because the consequences are too high, especially when you are dealing with countries that have teeth/ weapons and not only paper attorneys.
Further on, I personally don't think it will end so easy for Trump and Israel. Because this art of the deal stuff, going back and forth happened too many times and Trump himself made himself even more unreliable. Even when it was just a soft attack on Iran. Someone like that you don't need in politics. Because the consequences are too high, especially when you are dealing with countries that have teeth/ weapons and not only paper attorneys.
Vajra91
Jedi
If the american attack was a façade.. I'd wonder if Israel was in on it too?
Iran proved a far stronger enemy than Israel seemed to expect. If they realized that they would not be able to achieve any sort of real victory, then I could imagine Israel, America and Iran talking behind the scenes and figuring out how to put an end to the conflict without losing face.
Trump could "prove" that he knows what he is doing, quickly solving the issue without dragging America into a "real" war (and get Israel off his back without COMPLETELY alienating his electorate).
Israel could claim victory for "stopping" the iranian nuclear program, with Netanyahu selling this grand accomplishment to his people (and start planning their next war/massacre/genocide).
Iran could "retaliate" on a few empty american bases, enjoy the damage already inflicted upon Israel and agree to go back to the negotiating table while Israel has no acceptable excuse to keep attacking (and just keep developing their nuclear program in secret, among other things, without having to reveal their nuclear weapons).
End of story. For now at least..
But.. Whether Israel was involved or not, would Iran ever have agreed to such a plan? Trusting the US/Trump (and to such an extent, no less, letting them fly their weapons over Iran) would have been inadvisable at the best of times.. The US and Israel would still want to eventually take Iran down to protect their hegemony.. Then you have all the military equipment and resources being moved towards the middle east.. If conflict is going to be inevitable anyway, easing the pressure on Israel NOW seems like a faux pas, especially after all the terrorist attacks, assassinations and losses that Iran has already been subjected to. If anything, a ceasefire would actually weaken Iran's position and anger the iranian people, palestinians and allies in the region, OSIT..
..Unless they truly believe they can now negotiate from a stronger position and/or better prepare for the next conflict (maybe finally sign some proper defensive agreement with Russia, among other things?).
I don't know.. Trump/Israel had good reasons to try and get out of this conflict right now. Iran? Debatable.. Stopping now will change absolutely nothing, it will simply give Israel time to recover and try again later, armed with better information, more planning and larger stocks of ammunitions. And yet, I feel like something stinks about this attack.. Could be just the exceedingly orwellian "I'm literally bombing you RIGHT NOW but NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE".. I mean, really??
Or maybe, if talks behind the scenes did take place, the Iranians are just pretending to go along with it for some reason, likely saving their strength and expecting the real attack to follow soon?
Or maybe Trump just caved in and ACTUALLY attacked Iran (If so, I would expect news of at least SOME losses on the american side, a jet, a pilot, anything), with his words being some (pointless) signal to the world that his hand was forced and he has no wish to escalate further, an (awful) attempt to sell the coming war to his electorate, and/or a sign of his mind completely detaching from reality.. Does seem like the most realistic option, I guess..
We'll see where things go from here
Iran proved a far stronger enemy than Israel seemed to expect. If they realized that they would not be able to achieve any sort of real victory, then I could imagine Israel, America and Iran talking behind the scenes and figuring out how to put an end to the conflict without losing face.
Trump could "prove" that he knows what he is doing, quickly solving the issue without dragging America into a "real" war (and get Israel off his back without COMPLETELY alienating his electorate).
Israel could claim victory for "stopping" the iranian nuclear program, with Netanyahu selling this grand accomplishment to his people (and start planning their next war/massacre/genocide).
Iran could "retaliate" on a few empty american bases, enjoy the damage already inflicted upon Israel and agree to go back to the negotiating table while Israel has no acceptable excuse to keep attacking (and just keep developing their nuclear program in secret, among other things, without having to reveal their nuclear weapons).
End of story. For now at least..
But.. Whether Israel was involved or not, would Iran ever have agreed to such a plan? Trusting the US/Trump (and to such an extent, no less, letting them fly their weapons over Iran) would have been inadvisable at the best of times.. The US and Israel would still want to eventually take Iran down to protect their hegemony.. Then you have all the military equipment and resources being moved towards the middle east.. If conflict is going to be inevitable anyway, easing the pressure on Israel NOW seems like a faux pas, especially after all the terrorist attacks, assassinations and losses that Iran has already been subjected to. If anything, a ceasefire would actually weaken Iran's position and anger the iranian people, palestinians and allies in the region, OSIT..
..Unless they truly believe they can now negotiate from a stronger position and/or better prepare for the next conflict (maybe finally sign some proper defensive agreement with Russia, among other things?).
I don't know.. Trump/Israel had good reasons to try and get out of this conflict right now. Iran? Debatable.. Stopping now will change absolutely nothing, it will simply give Israel time to recover and try again later, armed with better information, more planning and larger stocks of ammunitions. And yet, I feel like something stinks about this attack.. Could be just the exceedingly orwellian "I'm literally bombing you RIGHT NOW but NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE".. I mean, really??
Or maybe, if talks behind the scenes did take place, the Iranians are just pretending to go along with it for some reason, likely saving their strength and expecting the real attack to follow soon?
Or maybe Trump just caved in and ACTUALLY attacked Iran (If so, I would expect news of at least SOME losses on the american side, a jet, a pilot, anything), with his words being some (pointless) signal to the world that his hand was forced and he has no wish to escalate further, an (awful) attempt to sell the coming war to his electorate, and/or a sign of his mind completely detaching from reality.. Does seem like the most realistic option, I guess..
We'll see where things go from here
I've heard it's likely that the strikes were Tomahawks launched from submarines in the gulf, which is why there was minimal damage. So no jets over Iranian skies required, and no risk of American military casualties.
My gut feeling is that all this conflict isn't going to be stopping any time soon. This is the exact scenario the neocons and Zionists have been wanting for decades.
Vajra91
Jedi
That would make a lot of sense.. I hadn't considered the idea that the american strike could be just setting the ideal stage for a false flag operation. Totally up their alley. If so, I wonder if Trump is aware of the plan and has rally sunk that low.. Then again, I guess he wouldn't need to be made aware of it
Yes, and in a few days he will say that : "No one has ever done as much for world peace as I have done"
It's hard to know what the truth is in the fog of war. The bunker busters were reportedly used for all 3 strikes, along with the Tomahawks sent from the subs. Those heavy bombs can only be dropped by B-2 bombers. Still remains to be seen if this was an actual wartime bombing or a superficial act to appease Israel. I guess the Iranian response will tell us more in that sense. If Trump had a backdoor agreement with them like with the Solemaini hit, then Iran's response will be tempered. They have called for an emergency session of the UN Security Council.
Vajra91
Jedi
I would agree with you. Iran's resilience was clearly underestimated, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if Israel & Co tried to stall for a moment, just to recover their balance.. but even then, not for very long at all. It just doesn't feel like they would be willing - or even capable - of truly stopping at this point, osit. Not when their evil has become so clear to see and the mith of their invincibility has been shattered
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