Brace Yourselves For War Between Iran and Israel

The US has evacuated hundreds of troops from key bases in Qatar and Bahrein amid growing concern in Washington over the possibility of military confrontation with Tehran and the risk of Iranian retaliatory strikes, while the US Navy continues to deploy nuclear submarines to the Persian Gulf. Meanwhile, Iran is reactivating Russian-made S-300 long-range air defense systems at sites near Tehran and Isfahan.
 
The US is considering a limited strike on Iran, but will Iran's response also be limited?

Meanwhile, Israel is preparing large-scale pre-emptive strikes against Kataib Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Hezbollah, while the US weighs the option of targeting individual leaders as part of its campaign against Iran.
I would lean towards attacking first, without saying the other strategy is bad, because Israel will find a way to carry it out and since they may fear risking losing support in the midterm elections . Iran could do something similar to what Israel did in the Six-Day War. If they try to respond after the Iranian attack, already with a certain number of depleted forces, they would have less of an advantage, and Iran could continue attacking decisively.

However, if the Iranian defenses and underground installations are sufficiently solid and intimidating on their own (they might frighten the US, but not Israel), they could expect to withstand some punishment while simultaneously responding quickly and decisively as soon as they receive the first attacks or know they are imminent.

I think this approach could also be quite sound, since Israel would tend to underestimate Iran. The diplomatic benefits this brings are not many beyond moral appearances; this is partly why Putin attacked Ukraine first, as he knew the attack was imminent. If Iran were to attack later, it would also receive sanctions and condemnation, so this could add reasons to pursue the first option of attacking first. I prefer this one.
 
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An interesting article about the USS Ford's clogged toilets maybe the result of deliberate acts of sabotage by the sailors onboard!

 
If what the Wall Street Journal says about the US 'proposal' to Iran is true, then I don't see how we are going to avoid a military confrontation. Basically it is designed to make Iran say 'no'. Besides, the declarations from US officials around the time of the SOTU, including Trump's, sound more and more like the WMDs rhetoric before the 2003 invasion of Irak. Since a whole lot of ships and aircraft are already in place, I think there's a good chance an attack may come as soon as this weekend.

But even if Trump makes a last-minute U-turn ("TACO") there's always the problem that Israel may decide to go at it 'alone' with the obvious expectation that Trump will be forced to step in for Israel's sake. Which is exactly what happened last time.

Check out this guy's comments on the US proposal according to the WSJ:


The US just handed Iran a document that is not a negotiation. It is a capitulation order.
The Wall Street Journal obtained the American demands presented in Geneva today. Destroy Fordow. Destroy Natanz. Destroy Isfahan. Hand over every gram of enriched uranium to the United States. Zero enrichment permanently, no sunset clauses, no expiration dates. Behave for the rest of your lives. In exchange, minimal sanctions relief upfront with more only if you comply with everything forever.
Iran’s counterproposal, approved personally by Khamenei, arrived showing almost no change from the previous round. A 3-to-5 year enrichment suspension. Increased IAEA oversight. Willingness to dilute stockpiles. But zero flexibility on the one demand Washington says is non-negotiable: permanent zero enrichment on Iranian soil.
The gap between these two positions is not a negotiation gap. It is the distance between sovereignty and surrender. And no government in the history of nuclear diplomacy has voluntarily dismantled its own program, surrendered its own fissile material to its adversary, and accepted permanent restrictions with no expiration while that adversary had 500 aircraft parked on its doorstep.
The FDD’s Andrea Stricker called it a “suicide mission.” She is right, but not the way she means it. These demands are designed to be rejected. A proposal that requires a sovereign nation to physically destroy three of its own facilities and hand its enriched uranium to the country threatening to bomb it is not diplomacy. It is the paperwork you file before the paperwork becomes irrelevant.
Barak Ravid confirmed today’s talks were both indirect and direct, with a pause for consultations. That pause is the tell. When both sides need to consult after the first session, it means the positions presented were further apart than either side expected to encounter. Araghchi’s “good outlook” from yesterday has already collided with the reality of what Washington put on the table.
Now hold this against what is happening outside the room.
The demands say destroy Fordow. The F-22s at Ovda exist to destroy Fordow. The demands say dismantle Natanz. The B-2s at Whiteman carry the GBU-57s that reach Natanz. The demands say eliminate Isfahan. The Tomahawks on two carrier strike groups are programmed for Isfahan. Every demand in the document has a military equivalent already in theater. The negotiating position is a target list with diplomatic formatting.
Iran is being asked to do voluntarily what the United States is prepared to do by force. The document is not an alternative to the strike. The document is the strike translated into legalese, presented one last time before the translation becomes unnecessary.
Geneva is not where this gets resolved. Geneva is where the historical record gets established. The United States offered terms. Iran rejected the core demand. The diplomatic predicate for military action was constructed in a hotel conference room while 500 aircraft waited outside.
The curtain went up today in Geneva. But the show was never in the building. The show is on the tarmacs at Ovda, on the flight decks of the Ford and Lincoln, in the bomb bays of B-2s sitting in Missouri, and on the coral runway at Diego Garcia where the refueling corridor begins.Geneva is the intermission. The next act does not require a negotiating table.
 

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If what the Wall Street Journal says about the US 'proposal' to Iran is true, then I don't see how we are going to avoid a military confrontation. Basically it is designed to make Iran say 'no'. Besides, the declarations from US officials around the time of the SOTU, including Trump's, sound more and more like the WMDs rhetoric before the 2003 invasion of Irak. Since a whole lot of ships and aircraft are already in place, I think there's a good chance an attack may come as soon as this weekend.

But even if Trump makes a last-minute U-turn ("TACO") there's always the problem that Israel may decide to go at it 'alone' with the obvious expectation that Trump will be forced to step in for Israel's sake. Which is exactly what happened last time.

Check out this guy's comments on the US proposal according to the WSJ:

Ah yes, the sweet sweet smell of Trump being the saviour of the world. #Youhavetobecrazytobelieveheisntsnotherpsychoinasuit

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It's the old time "Pax Judaica" movement in full imperial swing. The dire Beast swinging one last right hook at the world, a blind monster that seeks sole domination of the global chessboard. We must be close to the time of great conflict, of both 3d and 4d kinds, this drive for dominance, enchantment and control, it's all driven from beyond 3d minds alone. But it's become obvious if you've put the hours in. Knowledge is the prime requisite, and knowledge and being reign supreme in our world. It is that discovery which gives me hope. We carry weight here, because we know more than we realise. Plus we have a solid developmental system operating through this forum. It's gonna be one hell of a time riding these times out. It could yet prove to be about a ten years worth of chaos before a decent opposition emerges. If nothing else, it provides fine motivation to keep yourself physically strong, along with the FRV readings hopefully solid and good. Endlessly I see a tight iron fist, desperately gripping grains of sand. As the grip tightens, more sand escapes. That alone gives me hope.
 
Can a geopolitical expert explain something to me..

It's very clear what the US are doing. They are building up what they will need to fight a war and moving everything to position. This has been clear for weeks, can't get any clearer.. clear as the sun. Have to be blind to miss it.

My question is... why is Iran just sat there watching an armada get built up right in front of its eyes and it's doing nothing? I suppose if it does anything, it gives the bully all it needs to you know, do what bullies do, beat you up. But if it doesn't do anything, the beating is going to be even worse because this bully has moved 1/3rd of its navy, hundreds of jets etc to literally by Iran's door.

I don't get it personally. The intentions can't be any clearer from the US.

I suppose this is why at some point, Putin made the call to go into Ukraine and not just sit around and watch an armada get built up by his border.

In the case of Iran, it looks to me America is building up assets to undertake a bombing campaign to end all bombing campaigns. By the time the bombs stop falling, I'm not sure what will be left of Iran, or its people.
 
Can a geopolitical expert explain something to me..

It's very clear what the US are doing. They are building up what they will need to fight a war and moving everything to position. This has been clear for weeks, can't get any clearer.. clear as the sun. Have to be blind to miss it.

My question is... why is Iran just sat there watching an armada get built up right in front of its eyes and it's doing nothing? I suppose if it does anything, it gives the bully all it needs to you know, do what bullies do, beat you up. But if it doesn't do anything, the beating is going to be even worse because this bully has moved 1/3rd of its navy, hundreds of jets etc to literally by Iran's door.

I don't get it personally. The intentions can't be any clearer from the US.

I suppose this is why at some point, Putin made the call to go into Ukraine and not just sit around and watch an armada get built up by his border.

In the case of Iran, it looks to me America is building up assets to undertake a bombing campaign to end all bombing campaigns. By the time the bombs stop falling, I'm not sure what will be left of Iran, or its people.
Check out this article for some ideas on this. Iran can see Trump's reluctance to enter into a serious and protracted conflict. That's why they have repeatedly used rhetoric suggesting they will not limit their response. They can see that the pressure is coming from Israel and elements in the US which align with Israel. So there's a chance to avoid conflict, or a wider conflict, however small, which prevents them from escalating things themselves. This includes the possibility of the US pulling their punches while Israel takes the hits.


We can't know what might be happening behind the scenes which may give Iran additional reasons to be so confident (even defiant) in its approach. Simplicius may be right here in his idea that the answer lies in simple human psychology.

Most people — particularly anonymous online commentators — are driven by pure knee-jerk emotion and will always loudly favor the immediate risky reaction. But if they were ever put in the position themselves, where everything — including their lives — was on the line, they would likely find themselves hard-pressed to "pull the trigger". They too would likely become docile in the face of their captors, and allow themselves to be quietly marched toward the gallows without resistance — because for humans it's always easier to hope for more time rather than face the uncertain consequences of one's own direct actions.
 
Can a geopolitical expert explain something to me..

It's very clear what the US are doing. They are building up what they will need to fight a war and moving everything to position. This has been clear for weeks, can't get any clearer.. clear as the sun. Have to be blind to miss it.

My question is... why is Iran just sat there watching an armada get built up right in front of its eyes and it's doing nothing? I suppose if it does anything, it gives the bully all it needs to you know, do what bullies do, beat you up. But if it doesn't do anything, the beating is going to be even worse because this bully has moved 1/3rd of its navy, hundreds of jets etc to literally by Iran's door.

I don't get it personally. The intentions can't be any clearer from the US.

I suppose this is why at some point, Putin made the call to go into Ukraine and not just sit around and watch an armada get built up by his border.

In the case of Iran, it looks to me America is building up assets to undertake a bombing campaign to end all bombing campaigns. By the time the bombs stop falling, I'm not sure what will be left of Iran, or its people.
Russia and Iran were / are not in the same situations.

Russia never faced the frontal force of the USA. All was contained to 'proxy war', so Russia could afford to preempt Kiev's military build-up for breaking the Minsk Accords and forcibly retaking the Donbass and Crimea.

And even though Iran is faced with the frontal force of the USA, the USA is hamstrung by being unable to risk losing assets like ships or nearby bases because its global reputation depends on it being 'untouchable'. Iran has shown in recent years that it is capable of striking US bases in Iraq and Qatar, Israeli bases, and even US ships (via its support for the Houthis). These demonstrations have made the USA aware that it would certainly face at least some losses by bombing Iran. Even in the worst-case scenario, all-out war, the USA couldn't defeat Iran by means of stand-off strikes alone. It would have to invade, with a landing force of around 1.5 million soldiers, 3 times the estimated size of Iran's military.

So the 'armada' isn't intended to blow Iran to kingdom come. It's intended to 'apply maximum pressure' on Iran to 'capitulate' and agree to some political and economic concessions with which Trump can satisfy the US deep staters, and the Israelis. Iran knows this, so there's no need for its government to 'strike preemptively'. It just has to defend as best it can whatever is thrown at it, and maybe get in a few uppercuts that will make the US-raelis think twice before trying this again anytime soon.
 
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