Candace Owens: From TPUSA Conservative Activist to Powerful Voice for Truth

[palestine]

Yet is it not now still under that same control at a deep level?

Yes, you're right. The C's perspective doesn't leave much room for a 3D reality that would allow for ‘honest’ processes to function.

I must admit that I'm currently struggling to understand this.

Here is why my mind oscillates: I am basing my opinion on the idea that not everything is black and white, and that there was a time when the system was perhaps more respectful of the STO/STS balance than it is today. At that time, criminal structures would have been under extreme surveillance, much more so than today.

But I agree with C's principle that, ultimately, it is STS that has been in charge from the beginning.

However, I thought I saw variations (perhaps limitations) to this process here and there.

I am basing this, for example, on the concept that every government has to manage a section of its population that will be fundamentally attracted to criminal activities. I read somewhere that the solution to this situation, in the case of the USA, was to channel it. The USA chose to control criminal structures in order to maintain/manage/control potential variations in crime. I don't think that's stupid. Basically, if you become president, what do you do in practical terms for the irreducible mass of people tempted by crime?

That is how I would answer your question – and I leave it to your judgement/lights/enlightening based on what I have explained.

My perspective does indeed become problematic, whereas we should consider things as: "forget that, everything is very deeply STS".

I understand that the matter would have to deal with the fact that what I am considering would be too shallow in regard of "objectivity".

It's kind of hard for me than to be able to output an answer to your question. I hope that I have been able to do this. I had to tap into ideas that are not well-shaped in my mind, big uncertainties.

I would be grateful if you would let me know whether a very clear-cut approach would be "appropriate in all cases"! Thank you!

Following the one side, Pool and others, it's like Laura once said, that there is a program for everyone

What Candace says caught my attention:

Yesterday was a holy day of obligation in the Catholic Church. It was the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. A holy day of obligation means that it is necessary to attend Mass on a day other than Sunday, of course. As soon as we finished this podcast, I grabbed my coat and ran out the door. During Mass, as I was reflecting on what was troubling me in my prayer, I knelt down and, without expecting it, simply focused my prayer on God.

I pray that we will be given a piece of evidence that will allow us to piece together the puzzle of this assassination. Of course, we all know that what we are being told is false. We all know that nothing we have been presented with is plausible, but we lack damning evidence, don't we? It's one thing to point out all the lies, but we also need concrete and solid evidence of an event that happened in an unexplained way.

As usual, in the days leading up to it, perhaps a planning session, I don't know. Anyway, I came home after a very intense prayer, did my routine, had a very late dinner, went upstairs to say goodnight to the children, got ready for bed, sat down on my bed and said to myself, "Hey, what if I opened the suggestion box? ' And I swear to you that it was the very first email I saw, the very first email I opened. It didn't contain any details. It was from a young woman and she said to me, 'You really should call my friend. It's absolutely urgent, he has information that you absolutely must hear. And don't ask me why. ‘ I don't know what came over me, but it was perhaps a kind of prayer. I said, ’I'll call him right away." Five minutes, not even five minutes after receiving that email, I was calling this person, with no idea what to expect, whether I was going to get a madman or someone very...

My prayer was answered quickly. The person I spoke to, whose name was (or is) Harry, told me a story that I verified as much as possible, and it is true. It is a true story that I am going to share with you.

The forum has taught me to remain extremely cautious when these kinds of synchronicity occur.

At the same time, Candace seems prone to some very negative actions, while her being on the right side, and I believe that she operates in a spiritual context that could allow these kinds of things to happen.

I don't feel skilled enough so as to be able to decree what's true.

 

[Beau]

Ever since the C's said Erika Kirk was shady I've been curious just what might be hiding under that rock. Well so far I've found a tangential connection to trafficking. She worked with a charity called Romanian Angels that fostered children for adoption in Romania. There was already a network of moving children out of Romania after the Ceausescu regime ended in 1989, with adoption numbers in the tens of thousands and foreign NGOs being involved (we know who that really is typically). Radio Free Europe ran an article about victims of that process saying they were trafficked a few years ago:

'I Was Definitely Trafficked': Romanians Adopted As Kids Now Seek Justice, Answers As Adults

The horrors of Romania's orphanages shocked the world after communism collapsed in 1989, when images emerged of emaciated children living in wretched conditions. Today, some of those adopted by families abroad are returning to Romania for answers and justice.

www.rferl.org

Wave Of Interest

Some 30,000 children from Romania were adopted between 1990 and 2004, according to data from ANPDCA, which acknowledges lacking any such information from before 1994, when Romania didn't systematically track court-approved adoptions.

The number of adoptions to families abroad skyrocketed in 1990 and 1991, the first two years after the end of the Ceausescu regime, with more than 10,000 adoptions to foreigners registered by Romanian NGOs.

In those early days, Bucharest had little control, let alone oversight, of the adoption process, much of which was conducted underground on what would become a thriving black market. Stories were common of shady middlemen demanding that foreigners pony up thousands of dollars after merely showing them photos of children whose backgrounds were often simply forged.

Now that is before Kirk's time in Romania, but it's pretty likely that trafficking children out of Eastern Europe is still happening and using NGOs and church-affiliated non-profits is a great cover for such activity. Her orphanage was allegedly at the Black Sea Mihail Kogălniceanu military base. I found a Romanian language article where claims are made that minors were brought in there and the base operated as a brothel. Translated into English:

The Caracal case in the summer of 2019 brought the Deveselu base to the fore, with voices linking the disappearances of Luiza Melencu and Alexandra Măceșanu to human trafficking networks and the military unit hosting the Americans. Journalist Ion Spânu presents in Cotidianul the revelations of a former translator at the American military base in Kogălniceanu. She is Ana Maria Nuciu, who claims that a real brothel operated in this military unit, where underage girls were brought here to satisfy the desires of some soldiers. Ana Maria Nuciu notified the Prosecutor's Office about this brothel on the premises of the military base and, although there was an extensive investigation carried out by the American and Romanian authorities, the Agreement signed in 2001 between the two countries was invoked, in which Romania ceded the right of investigation of the American military to the USA. Among those who would have benefited from the services of the girls brought to the Kogălniceanu base would have been the commander of the "Black Sea Area Support Team" base, OTTO BUSHER, helped by his right hand, senior adjutant platoon leader of BSAST, LLOYD SPARKS.

Notice the name Otto Busher? Here is a screenshot I took of the Romanian Angels video I linked to above that Erika Kirk (then Erika Frantzve) still has up on her Vimeo account:

One other interesting thing I've found while digging around are the number of MSM articles fact checking this story as false. Suspicious. Seems like there has been a lot of effort put into debunking these claims. It's also interesting that both of her parents have connections with the US defense industry and have either worked or consulted for the DoD.

 

[Beau]

I'd just like to offer the possibility that Harry's (the former soldier) story is to good to be true. I do not know either way, but here are a few comments from youtube arguing against Harry's story being legitimate:

It would actually be very easy for Brian Harpole and people close to him to debunk this. Either he was at a secret meeting with high military brass on September 9th in Fort Huachuca, or he wasn't. There have to be a number of people who could verify his whereabouts that day.

 

[Jenn]

Nate from Valhalla VFT (a former green beret) points out all the holes in "Harry's" story, he points out numerous times that he supports Candace, likes her and she's right more than she's wrong, so he's not just a random Candace hater:

He basically points out that none of the things Harry mentioned that were supposed to be significant are out of the ordinary. Here's a couple of the key points:

-A 20-year-old private can't realistically “jump the chain of command” straight to generals or outside channels
-Soldiers don't just go and get warrants from judges to raid tunnels; that’s not how military operations work
-A civilian or retired guy can't just wander around a joint task force HQ
-Sensitive planning (like an assassination plot) would be done in secure areas (SCIF), not where randomers could overhear or see conspirators
-If he's been on the run for 35 years did he stay in the military long enough to retire or keep his security clearance?
-Does he have a modern (CAC?) card which is needed to roam around the base & book a hotel room
-Seeing a Green Beret in southern Arizona at Fort Huachuca/Candlewood Suites is extremely normal
-Many special forces and SOF schoos and training events are there
-Seeing 10th Mountain Division soldiers at a coffee shop just outside a base is also completely routine.
-A joint task force HQ is exactly the sort of place you’d see lots of O-4s, O-5s, O-6s; that’s not evidence of anything unusual.
-The story has shades of Jason Bourne- lone young private uncovers huge conspiracy, he's betrayed almost killed and hunted by hitmen, records vanis etc.

He doesn't think Candace is lying, or even that the guy wasn't actually there, just that some parts of the story seem embellished or completely fabricated. I'm going to wait and see, but I think she might be being fed BS to make her look bad. The timing is terrible with the TPUSA "conspiracy debunking" coming soon.

 

[Cosmos]

Nate from Valhalla VFT (a former green beret) points out all the holes in "Harry's" story, he points out numerous times that he supports Candace, likes her and she's right more than she's wrong, so he's not just a random Candace hater:

He basically points out that none of the things Harry mentioned that were supposed to be significant are out of the ordinary. Here's a couple of the key points:

-A 20-year-old private can't realistically “jump the chain of command” straight to generals or outside channels
-Soldiers don't just go and get warrants from judges to raid tunnels; that’s not how military operations work
-A civilian or retired guy can't just wander around a joint task force HQ
-Sensitive planning (like an assassination plot) would be done in secure areas (SCIF), not where randomers could overhear or see conspirators
-If he's been on the run for 35 years did he stay in the military long enough to retire or keep his security clearance?
-Does he have a modern (CAC?) card which is needed to roam around the base & book a hotel room
-Seeing a Green Beret in southern Arizona at Fort Huachuca/Candlewood Suites is extremely normal
-Many special forces and SOF schoos and training events are there
-Seeing 10th Mountain Division soldiers at a coffee shop just outside a base is also completely routine.
-A joint task force HQ is exactly the sort of place you’d see lots of O-4s, O-5s, O-6s; that’s not evidence of anything unusual.
-The story has shades of Jason Bourne- lone young private uncovers huge conspiracy, he's betrayed almost killed and hunted by hitmen, records vanis etc.

He doesn't think Candace is lying, or even that the guy wasn't actually there, just that some parts of the story seem embellished or completely fabricated. I'm going to wait and see, but I think she might be being fed BS to make her look bad. The timing is terrible with the TPUSA "conspiracy debunking" coming soon.

Good points. On the face of it I would tend to agree with Candace that the guy sounds sincere given how she explained the situation. On the other hand despite her saying that they check very thoroughly if any information they get checks out before they go with anything, the cabal has famously “9 ways to sunday“ to get back at you and/or lure you into traps.

It also should be said that according to her own account there was literally only a day or at most just a couple of days between her praying, getting that tip later, her/they checking the validity of the claims and that person, before they went on air with it. So NOT all that much time to check and try to get a sense of the trustworthiness of both the message and the messenger. Also obviously, that military whistleblower angle as well as now Erika getting suspicious could be a plan/trap to lure Candace into wrong directions and away from the “Israel“ angle and/or make her look evil, although I‘m pretty sure she knows that Israel is likely the key player nonetheless.

I think Candace should be very careful that her own tendencies don’t become her undoing. Such as probably a high level of narcissism and quite little self doubt and believing her gut and that “god“ is on her side in most of what she is doing and what she gets. Having said that, so far the way she went about the investigation is quite clever IMO and might give her quite some room to maneuver out in case she gets framed extremely and/or makes big mistakes. She is basically sticking to very simple things like exposing obvious lies and expressing it when someone or something is telling them. Then she just leaves those things there and gives people a simple chance to proof that they are not lying and/or hiding something.

Another thing that could get out of hand and I found not that good:

In the show before the latest one it seemed like Candace has quite some tendencies to sneer at and alienate her own audience/supporters. Namely military people in this case. Yes, I understand why she got irritated about them sending zillion messages about the wrongness of the categorization of the ranks of the military people “from that military whistleblower“ because she explained that she can’t remember what exactly he said and misspoke because military speak is a foreign language to her and that those people sending those messages didn’t listen to her. BUT she could have at least tried to make a bit more of an effort to represent what that military guy said AS HE SAID IT, despite it being a foreign language to her, BECAUSE it is indeed quite critical if that guy should have named the wrong ranks, because that would be an obvious red flag for any military person I would guess.

Sneering at people trying to help you and get to the truth and especially military ones, isn’t very nice and helpful, no matter how justified you feel in being right, even if you are. It doesn’t help her case either to get people on her side justifiably upset about what she is saying to them.

 

[Voyageur]

Sneering at people trying to help you and get to the truth and especially military ones, isn’t very nice and helpful, no matter how justified you feel in being right, even if you are. It doesn’t help her case either to get people on her side justifiably upset about what she is saying to them.

True, yet perhaps we don't know the exact context of the military type who responded to her, response that might have used sharp condescending foul language over what those military terms mean. If it was something like that, she could have been perturbed, especially if they ganged up and piled on.

As for Erika, and in alliance with what he C's said, she is not even out of Half-Mourning, let alone half of the Half-Mourning, and she is out there all decked out making a big splash. The optics do not look good.

 

[Cosmos]

I think Tucker and Candace approach things quite a bit differently. Tucker was and still is quite careful in what he says and how he says it. In other words: he tends to be strategic and/or often is mincing his words.

Candace on the other hand, at least at times, seems to have almost no filter of that kind and just blur’s things out as she thinks about them without trying much of any self censoring. That in itself is quite a refreshing thing to see and IMO is one of the the key things that rightfully attracts people to what she is doing.