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The colour purple of the veil of the Temple in Jerusalem
During the meeting, we came to discuss the veil used at the Jewish temple in Jerusalem and its colour purple, which was costly. And how did they make it?
The Jewish Encyclopedia explains where the colour might have come from. In the text, I have inserted links to three types of molluscs:
PURPLE:
By: Emil G. Hirsch, Wilhelm Nowack
Mention is made in the Old Testament of two kinds of purple, or purple dye: (1) "argaman" (Aramaic, "argevan"; Greek, πόρφυρα), probably the bright-red purple, which was costliest when it had the color of coagulated blood, and appeared black when viewed directly, but lustrous red when viewed obliquely; (2) "tekelet" (Greek, ὑάκινϑος), which, according to Philo and Josephus, resembled the color of the sea, the air, or the clear sky, and was, therefore, termed also blue. In instances it was black or dark-colored.
It is now possible to ascertain from what source the ancients obtained their purple dye. There are remains of the old workshops for making purple at Tarentum, in the Morea, and especially at Tyre. These consist of concrete hill-shaped masses of spiral-like shells. An examination of these heaps has up to the present revealed only two kinds of murex, found on the Mediterranean coast, Murex brandaris and Murex trunculus; the former at Tarentum and in the Morea, and the latter at Tyre. Without doubt, of the two kinds of murex described by Pliny, the one which he calls "purpura" or "pelagia" is not the species now so called, but Murex brandaris, as he mentions not only the spines on the whorl of the shell, but also the duct which is a prolongation of the aperture. This duct he thought contained the tongue, though, as a matter of fact, it holds the respiratory organ of the mollusk. Probably he included Murex trunculus under the same name.

Besides these two, another species of the present genus Purpura is found in the Mediterranean, Purpura hœmastoma, the purple juice of which is even now occasionally used by the inhabitants of the coast for marking linen. Although shells of these mollusks have not yet been found among the remains of ancient purple dye-works, it is likely that the ancients knew and used them, as they answer better than Murex trunculus to Pliny's description of the second species mentioned by him, Murex buccinum.

The pigment is secreted by a gland in the lining of the stomach. The juice is at first whitish, but changes on exposure to the atmosphere, and becomes successively yellowish and greenish, and at last either reddish (in the species Murex brandaris and Purpura hœmastoma) or violet (in Murex trunculus). The moliusks were found on the Phenician coast, on the Palestinian shores, farther south (as at Dor), on the coast of Caria in Asia Minor, on the Laconian coast of Greece, on the shores of the strait of Euripus, and on the North-African coast. It is remarkable that in the Old Testament mention is made of purple imported into Tyre, but not of that made in Phenicia itself, although the Phenicians were regarded by the ancients as the discoverers of purple-dyeing, and the manufacture of purple was known to them in very early times.

Purple fabrics were very costly. Both kinds of purple were used for the carpets and curtains of the tabernacle, and for the high priest's gala dress, as also for the curtain of the Holy of Holies in the Temple. Bluish purple was used more extensively for sacred purposes than reddish. Blue material was used for the entire outer garment of the high priest as well as for the covers put over the sacred chattels in transportation. Red was used only in the cloth of the altar of burnt offerings. The loops holding the curtains of byssus in the tabernacle (Ex. xxxvi. 11), the "lace" fastening the high priest's breast-plate and miter (ib. xxviii. 28, 31, 37, 39), and the threads of the tassels on every Israelite's outer garment had to be made of bluish purple.

No mention is made of purple garments of Israelitish kings, with the exception of the reddish-purple seat (covering?) of Solomon's chariot (Cant. iii. 10), whereas references occur to the reddish-purple raiment of the kings of Media (Judges viii. 26), and the blue raiment of Assyrian "captains and rulers" (Ezek. xiii. 6). At the Babylonian court the bestowal of reddish-purple raiment was a mark of the highest favor (Dan. v. 7, 16, 29; comp. I Macc. x. 20, 62, 64; xi. 58; xiv. 43 et seq.; II Macc. iv. 38).
Mark was first among the NT texts after the letter of Paul, but how is it used?

The use of Mark in the church
It differs from denomination to denomination. On this page, Missale Romanum
(Liturgical Readings in the Roman Missal prior to the Second Vatican Council) which took place 1962-1965, one finds a list of texts used and statistics.
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This list was used from the 16th century. The above article explains:

The following table lists all the biblical readings prescribed in the pre-Vatican II Roman Missal for all Sundays, Feasts, and Weekdays, in the order printed in the sixth Benzinger edition (New York: Benzinger Brothers, 1947):​

  • The readings for Sundays, major Feasts and Vigils (in regular print below) are interspersed with lesser Vigils, Ember Days, Weekdays of Lent, and Weekdays in the Octaves of Christmas, Easter and Pentecost (in smaller print below).
    • For all other weekday Masses (outside of Lent and the three Octaves mentioned above), the scriptural readings were to be taken either from the Mass of the previous Sunday, or from a special Mass (for saints, rituals, votives, etc.)
    • Readings prescribed for various feasts of the saints, votive Masses, etc., as found in the back of the Roman Missal, are not (yet) included in the following table.
  • The 1947 edition was substantially the same as the Missale Romanumpromulgated by Pope Pius V in 1570, with only a few changes, mostly additions of feast days for more recently canonized saints.
    • Several more significant changes were introduced in 1951: the six OT readings for the Vigil of Pentecost were dropped, and the number of OT readings for the Easter Vigil was reduced from twelve to four.
  • In contrast to the post-Vatican II Lectionary for Mass, the pre-Vatican II Roman Missal had only two readings for each Mass, on a one-year cycle (i.e., the same readings used every year).
    • Since Vatican II, each Sunday Mass has three readings (OT, NT Epistles, NT Gospels), with different readings prescribed for each year in a three-year cycle.
    • Before Vatican II, the two readings were normally called "The Epistle" and "The Gospel," since readings from the Old Testament were almost never used (except for a few special Feasts, Vigils, and Ember Days).
In the Orthodox Wiki, there is
The annual cycle of the Gospels is composed of four series:

  • 1. The Gospel of St. John—read from Pascha until Pentecost Sunday
  • 2. The Gospel of St. Matthew—divided over seventeen weeks beginning with the Monday of the Holy Spirit (the day after Pentecost). From the twelfth week, it is read on Saturdays and Sundays while the Gospel of St. Mark is read on the remaining weekdays
  • 3. The Gospel of St. Luke—divided over nineteen weeks beginning on the Monday after the Elevation of the Holy Cross. From the thirteenth week, it is only read on Saturdays and Sundays, while St. Mark's Gospel is read on the remaining weekdays
  • 4. The Gospel of St. Markread during the Lenten period on Saturdays and Sundays — with the exception of the Sunday of Orthodoxy.
Thus, Mark plays a less prominent role, although one could claim that lent is an important time of preparation for Easter Sunday.
 
Beorn made a point today about the curtain that I thought was excellent and I just wanted to add it to the thread.

The idea that the curtain is that through which only the high priest can pass and have contact with God, and it being torn in two symbolises the fact that with the loss of the Jews against the Romans, and so, at the time, the end of the fleshly law-based religion, and Pauline Christianity taking the lead, that everyone can now have a direct connection to Divine - the barrier has been removed.
 
So for next week's EU/AM workshop we will take it from 'Paul and the Zealots' on page 265 of the book up to 'Paul and the Jewish Christians' on page 292. Please note that the workshop will end 30 minutes earlier due to an activity on the private forum.

Have a great week and enjoy your reading! :flowers:
 
Hi Laurs. Can you please tell me at what time the meeting begins. With all my down time I've forgotten and I want to send all my family the times I'll "be otherwise engaged" tomorrow. I'm not sure if it's 4 or 5 UK time. Thank you.
Hi Tuatha, the meeting starts at 6pm CET time so it should be 5pm UK time. Look forward to seeing you there :-)
 
Hi everyone,

Below are the links for the recent Aus-Asia-Am group workshop for From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity

Here's the video of the last meeting

The audio

And the folder

And the slideshow
(Starts on slide# 187)

We will continue with Chapter 7: Paul and The Gospel Of Mark, up to page 365 for our next meeting on Saturday 11 February at 7 pm Sydney time (+11 GMT).

See you all then!
 
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