Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

[Hesper]

He became a representation of unchecked police violence and racial misery and the tipping point of constant profiling of blacks, even if he was a criminal and a drugadict, AND even if there is a basis to it, i found it insensitive and intentionally dismissive and the commulitive effect of real abuse and imaginary rethoric build up. [...]

And just like during George Floyd, there are immediate doxing and firing and persecution of people , which as much as i agree that these people should just rot, i can't help but to recall how everyone was persecuted during Floyd's riots in a very similar way.

I think that part of the problem here is that almost everything surrounding BLM and George Floyd is based on lies, and accepting those lies as "not factually, but morally" true because it doesn't seem fair to dismiss them leads to falling into the trap of the reversive blockade.

Reversive blockade: Emphatically insisting upon something which is the opposite of the truth blocks the average person’s mind from perceiving the truth. In accordance with the dictates of healthy common sense, he starts searching for meaning in the “golden mean” between the truth and its opposite, winding up with some satisfactory counterfeit. People who think like this do not realize that this effect is precisely the intent of the person who subjects them to this method. If the counterfeit of the truth is the opposite of a moral truth, at the same time, it simultaneously represents an extreme paramoralism, and bears its peculiar suggestiveness.

We rarely see this method being used by normal people; even if raised by the people who abused it; they usually only indicate its results in their characteristic difficulties in apprehending reality properly. Use of this method can be included within the above-mentioned special psychological knowledge developed by psychopaths concerning the weaknesses of human nature and the art of leading others into error. Where they are in rule, this method is used with virtuosity, and to an extent conterminous with their power.

To be cancelled for not bowing down to a criminal who overdosed while in confrontation with the law is VERY different from being cancelled for celebrating the assassination of a man whose only crime was publicly disagreeing with your propaganda / psychoses. In fact, it is probably one of the healthiest ways to begin removing these types of individuals from the institutions in which they spread their disease.

I find it particularly egregious for people to celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk FOR his free speech and then turn around and cry out that they shouldn't face ANY consequences for theirs. This is the hallmark of absolute wretchedness.

 

[Possibility of Being]

Charlie brought up some interesting things in the video below (this is from 2 years ago):

-He wonders: Was there a stand down (on Oct 7)?
-He says: "Bibi and the Israeli hard right govt has a mandate... I gotta be careful the way I say this... to... they're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza. [laughs nervously] I don't use that term lightly. They're talking about basically removing 2.5 million people.

Just a note: he didn't say anything that was not widely available to general public. Since Jan/Feb 2023 Israeli media were abuzz over Bibi's corruption and his attempts to change the state legislation so that he would be protected. Changes strongly opposed by the General Attorney Gali Baharav-Miara as illegal. Since then, Bibi tried to fire her, latest attempt being this last August (temporarily frozen by the High Court). Israel was on the brink of civil war months before October 7. All dirt was out in the media. Including speculations about the state's (reluctant) reaction to the attacks of Oct 7 almost from day one. It's became much worse after the Eli Feldstein affair in mid 2024 when charges of high treason began hanging over Bibi's head.

And the ethnic cleansing is an old Smotrich's plan voiced openly already back in 2017 and pursued since. BTW, that's what Trump picked on with his spa and business centers in Gaza.

All Kirk needed to do, was to quote Israeli mainstream sources instead of pretending he was sharing some kind of insider's secrets.

Sorry for going a bit off-topic.

 

[Phill4]

I think that part of the problem here is that almost everything surrounding BLM and George Floyd is based on lies, and accepting those lies as "not factually, but morally" true because it doesn't seem fair to dismiss them leads to falling into the trap of the reversive blockade.



To be cancelled for not bowing down to a criminal who overdosed while in confrontation with the law is VERY different from being cancelled for celebrating the assassination of a man whose only crime was publicly disagreeing with your propaganda / psychoses. In fact, it is probably one of the healthiest ways to begin removing these types of individuals from the institutions in which they spread their disease.

I find it particularly egregious for people to celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk FOR his free speech and then turn around and cry out that they shouldn't face ANY consequences for theirs. This is the hallmark of absolute wretchedness.

I agree, I see a bombardment of people bring up George Floyd and if im playing devil's advocate that's the angle they are justifying it from. They sense that Charlie was a leading factor to undermine and certain issues leftist issues


They think in their morality that they are disaffected, wronged and oppressed and Charlie came across as dismissive to them. Alot of it is probably the format of those types of debates, still hard to do when you don't know what questions are gonna be thrown at you.
Katlin Bennet is another brave girl who does similar work in colleges

George Floyd died from overdosing in combination with stress but it was still hard to stomach, and there IS a problem with police training , drugs in every aspect of culture, and ideology.

I And many people who saw his Floyd's dead where horrified and that's kinda the big difference here, not many people save for some groypers ridiculed and/or celebrated it.
This is actually far more overt. And there's some sort of sadistic entitlement element to the way they are going about it.

 

[rognaill]

And just like during George Floyd, there are immediate doxing and firing and persecution of people , which as much as i agree that these people should just rot, i can't help but to recall how everyone was persecuted during Floyd's riots in a very similar way.

Almost like a playbook.

I will mention it has been mostly white leftist i've seen celebrating Charlie's death (that i've seen)

This is becoming a very consistent element lately, from the Tesla vehicle/car dealership vandalizing, protesting criminal illegal alien deportations, lining up to clap/embrace fired federal workers that were caught as political operatives within the federal governmental agencies, etc.

If all the older radicals are out in front and highly mobilized, I wonder where are the violent youth of massively destructive Floyd riots, Seattle summer of love destruction and Portlandia extreme rioting violence. Wonder what they are up to these days?

I think the mudding of the waters around the motive, and around the time it took them to "find the suspect" and how they were gonna spin this narrative to extract the best result for their agenda is sloppy.

I think they did not anticipate the father and pastor/Marshall possibility of occurring.

 

[Heather]

I read somewhere that has since proven to be untrue.

That's not quoted from George Webb but from the AI in my Brave search engine, although Webb mentions his connection to the police. So, I guess we'll see what else comes up on this.

 

[Ruth]

Look at his eyes, Doesn't he look like a Psychopath to you? They look like 'dead' eyes.

He looks defeated and used to me. If he was a real psychopath, maybe there'd be some glee there when they are center stage? Otherwise it's the 'dead' eyes when they're acting or pretending to be normal humans.

 

[Josi]

He looks defeated and used to me. If he was a real psychopath, maybe there'd be some glee there when they are center stage? Otherwise it's the 'dead' eyes when they're acting or pretending to be normal humans.

That also is explained in the George Webb video.

 

[neema]

Hi guys. This year has been a painful year. I did not follow Charlie. But after seeing some of the videos about him all I can say is, he was a good human.

Personally, I have had a rough year. My cat got cancer and my mom is showing early signs of alzheimer's. But nothing has hit me harder then the slaughter of the Palestinians, the killing of Iryna Zarutska, and now the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

I just wanted to share, as usual, a Rumi quote that really has helped me this year, perhaps it can help one more person:
"Goodbyes are only for those who love with their eyes. Because for those who love with heart and soul, there is no such thing as separation” Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi.

 

[Meg]

From the Kiffness (7 mins or so):

 

[Ruth]

Dang, who needs HAARP when it's probably enough to beam at people like that with a microwave for this level of unhinged psychosis to melt?

It does seem quite performative in a way. And when their "performance" doesn't receive the accolades they think it deserves (i.e. they are forced to face reality, not only face it, but live with the consequences), it must come as a shock. These people seem to be living in some sort of alternative reality. Maybe the problem is what they think is "normal" isn't really normal at all?

 

[Ricardo]

Nothing new here but it does showcase the motives i think.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966797805122437393

 

[Beau]

That's not quoted from George Webb but from the AI in my Brave search engine, although Webb mentions his connection to the police. So, I guess we'll see what else comes up on this.

This was discussed earlier today on this thread. He doesn't work for the police.

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[ivanb]

How minds are leveraged through the magic of symbolism hidden in plain sight!

'Is it weird that Charlie Kirk flashes the Devil Horns while defending Judaism and saying ‘Talmud’ to a guy wearing a ‘sniper’ shirt?"

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Is it weird that Charlie Kirk flashes the Devil Horns while defending Judaism and saying ‘Talmud’ to a guy wearing a ‘sniper’ shirt?

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[Renaissance]

I doubt he's a groyper. Shuster works for TYT and his tweet is unsourced. He retweeted this tweet, which just shows that he's internet illiterate:

Now that it looks like there is full confirmation that Robinson’s boyfriend was trans it does look to be fairly settled that he isn’t a groyper. One of the memes on the bullet casings was supposedly a groyper meme, so led to additional confusion.

Fuentes' popularity could also be organic. His rise seems to track with Israeli atrocities, so while you might have noticed a 'jump' recently, there've been a few such since Oct 7th. Also, Fuentes had been "coming down hard on Kirk" for years.

I listened to his show in response to Tucker and it did make clear to me that Fuentes is pretty smart and a talented speaker. I’m not a convert but I can see why people are drawn toward him. That said, his draw seems more of a dose of truth mixed with anger and bitterness than heart.

Social media platforms may very well have had to tone down their control over their algorithms given their overreach in the recent past. But I think it’s still possible that Fuentes can be used negatively as an up-and-coming leader. I don’t think he’s a unifier. He goes on attack against anyone and everyone. And given any significant influence, he could serve or fulfill some dark purpose, imo. Now that they have killed Kirk off (who actually seems moderate enough and clearly willing to engage in dialogue), it looks like we have Ben Shapiro on one side and Fuentes on the other.

 

[Jones]

I just wanted to share, as usual, a Rumi quote that really has helped me this year, perhaps it can help one more person:

"Goodbyes are only for those who love with their eyes. Because for those who love with heart and soul, there is no such thing as separation”
Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi.

I hadn't read that one before, but it sure is a great quote for so much that is going on right now.