Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

[Cosmos]

I‘m just watching Tuckers latest 35 Minutes or so introduction to his memorial of Kirk and I think he clearly tries to help Candace in her investigations (and thus getting to the truth) with what he is saying. Thank you Tucker.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I see that clips of Owens's podcast from yesterday (Sept 16th) have been posted here, so here's the whole thing. Incredible, and a sign of the times, that the PARENTS of the 'lover/roommate' of Tyler Robinson, Lance Twiggs, personally reached out to Owens over the weekend because they don't trust the media, and that they did so because they believe their own son's role in this is being brushed under the rug:

I believe the relatives she's referring to are probably something like an aunt and uncle, or something like that. From Twiggs's social media posts, he said he was kicked out because his family thought he was possessed. Candace says he was kicked out at something like 16 years old and went to live with relatives, and then rented a place from, I believe, those same relatives. She implies those were the people she spoke to, and who confirmed the accounts of lots of vehicles showing up to the place in previous weeks. Maybe she also spoke to the parents, but that wasn't clear to me.

Even if this text message exchange was convincing in its style and punctuation etc. there's so many ridiculous things in there. Someone who is trying to conceal their involvement in a shooting is concerned about how they're going to get the weapon back to their house? They are up to date on the fast moving news coverage, following events like Zin being arrested?

Says to their purported boyfriend 'my Dad has been pretty diehard MAGA' like they've never discussed that before.

Thinks that this message exchange can just be deleted? "I will have left no evidence" except this exchange confirming all the key findings of the investigation conveniently laid out. Especially the motive (Why did I do it?, How long have you been planning this?)

Here's how I'm planning to evade capture before turning myself in willingly (which he then doesn't do).

Consensus on X is that it is ridiculous. Some think the FBI composed it, others (e.g. Matt Walsh, Raw Egg Nationalist) consider that Robinson and Twiggs might have scripted it as a way to exonerate Twiggs. I'll throw out one more option. Given that the FBI has made a point of emphasizing how Twiggs is "closely cooperating" with law enforcement, maybe they have already granted him immunity for his involvement, and this exchange was composed in order avoid any hint that Twiggs was complicit.

Looking up the origin of the terms "left" and "right" in a political context, Grok informed me that it goes back to the French revolution less than 250 years ago, specifically a colloquial reference to a political position for or against the revolution, reflected in which side of the room in the French National Assembly the opponents or supporters of the revolution or monarchy would sit on.

So if the revolutionists had sat on the right side of the room, each of those terms would likely have the meaning of the other today. Seems quite arbitrary, yes?

I note also, in the first edition of Ponerology, Lobaczewski uses the term "left" or "leftist" in a political context a grand total of four times, and "right" mostly in terms of liberties - eg. human rights. For a 300+ page book on the political implications of psychopathology, that's impressively neutral language.

It seems people are going to use whatever vocabulary they want for any number of reasons, such as whether they think it's true, whether they think it's the most effective way to communicate with the politically retarded, or for the 'ontological relief' it provides against having to adjust their vocabulary to more nuanced and accurate terms.

Well, free will and all that. One good thing is that the PTB's divisive narrative seems to be getting a very thorough flogging this time around. There's a good deal more critical thinking out there, even if not quite "thinking in unlimited terms", osit.

Polish members can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe "left vs right" was part of the common Polish vocabulary prior to the 80s, when Lobaczewski wrote. (Here's what Grok says.) His main ponerological point was the society of normal people vs pathocrats, and when he talked about ideology he discussed Marxism and pre-Marxist socialists. He was complimentary to the pre-Marxist socialism and the Polish socialists who opposed "communist" pathocracy, but thought Marxism was a dead-end philosophy and that even the other socialist philosophies were tainted by schizoid ideas. He didn't comment at all on what we would characterize as "leftism" today (e.g. "race communism," LGBT, etc.). In Logocracy, he presents a combination of conservative ideas with a few that might be considered socialist, many of which I think are compatible with something like "MAGA" in an American context.

Using everyday speech, I'd say the "moderate leftists" (i.e. normal people) of today are the ones leaving the party and disgusted by the both the assassination and the people celebrating it - who could be considered the "radical leftists" (of the pathological, "transpersonified" variety).

 

[Windmill knight]

why don't they move US capital to Tel Viv or Jerusalem? All this charade of 'democracy' is over in front of the world and people will 'suck it up' in other distractions that will inevitably follow.

Yeah, those 250 legislators going all at once to Israel ro pay tribute is just creepy. Right after Kirk's assassination, who had just declined an 'invitation' to Israel. I guess the 250 are saying "I'm not declining! I'm not declining!" because they just saw what the consequences may be. Pathetic.

 

[candasiri]

Owens's courage is phenomenal!

She is at serious risk of becoming a 'martyr' though, and leaving her 4 young children without a mother.

It's not something we would advise her to do, but I don't think she would listen to advice to the contrary anyway.

She's now frontally challenging two heads of state, and one them terrifies all other world leaders.

Do you think representation (not lawyers) from the forum should reach out to her?

 

[Windmill knight]

Even if this text message exchange was convincing in its style and punctuation etc. there's so many ridiculous things in there. Someone who is trying to conceal their involvement in a shooting is concerned about how they're going to get the weapon back to their house? They are up to date on the fast moving news coverage, following events like Zin being arrested?

Says to their purported boyfriend 'my Dad has been pretty diehard MAGA' like they've never discussed that before.

Thinks that this message exchange can just be deleted? "I will have left no evidence" except this exchange confirming all the key findings of the investigation conveniently laid out. Especially the motive (Why did I do it?, How long have you been planning this?)

Here's how I'm planning to evade capture before turning myself in willingly (which he then doesn't do).

Exactly my thoughts. Especially the part in which he tells his boyfriend 'btw, did you know my dad is MAGA?'. I mean, seriously he never mentioned it to the bf before? And the amount of detail of the execution of his whole plan. 'I wasn't going to tell you love, but anyways, here's the whole thing...'

It really sounds like a manufactured explanation for the masses: 'You see children, there was this guy Taylor who loved his trans boyfriend, so he took his grandpa's rifle and shot Charlie Kirk without telling anyone. And that's exactly how it happened, because Taylor described it in text for us to read!'

Also, I heard that according to his parents, the rifle was meant to be a gift to Taylor, but then he said it was grandpa's rifle and his dad would be upset if it was lost. Which one is it? Ok, so suppose it had been grandpa's AND then a gift to Taylor. But then if he had such respect for grandpa's rifle, why was it all scribbled with stuff all over? Or was that just the bullets?

Finally, this Lance trans guy was said to be very much into the 'dark web'. Which brings us back to the 'accelerationists', who in turn can be easily manipulated by intel agencies. Is this how Taylor got involved? And that is not to say that he committed the actual killing, because I'm still in disbelief at the precision of the hit by an amateur.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Also, I heard that according to his parents, the rifle was meant to be a gift to Taylor, but then he said it was grandpa's rifle and his dad would be upset if it was lost. Which one is it? Ok, so suppose it had been grandpa's AND then a gift to Taylor.

Assuming what the father said is true, I can see how the rifle could be considered both. If I'm gifted a ring from my grandfather, I can still see my family and I referring to it in conversation as "grandfather's ring," for example. I still think the texts sound scripted, but this detail didn't strike me as odd.

But then if he had such respect for grandpa's rifle, why was it all scribbled with stuff all over? Or was that just the bullets?

Just the bullets, allegedly.