Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

[Ruth]

There are quite a number of famous and outspoken people (most especially on the right) who have rather recently “found god“ and then went directly into big established organized religions like catholicism, often seemingly going full in. Here is a small selection:

Tucker, Candace, Milo, Tate, Russell Brand, Ian Carroll.

How many of those people are capable to question some things in their new “homes“ I‘m not so sure. I think Tucker, Candace and Carroll might be more inclined to be able to do so compared to others.

These guys seem like they 'question everything', perhaps that's what makes religion either a control mechanism and a 'mask' of some sort, or, on the other hand, a spiritual journey?

Some people would be 'going through the motions' and using labels to make their religion 'legitimate' which is a form of control mechanism. It can be used as a crutch to inhibit spiritual growth and stength. Others might be seeking deeper meaning and inner personal growth and strength by using religion as a guide.

I wonder which Nick Fuentes falls into? My guess would be the former rather than the latter.

 

[Benjamin]

Oh look. Jimmy Kimmel is back. I guess it made Disney look bad and hurt its profits.

Jimmy Kimmel's show is returning to ABC on Tuesday, but not all stations will air it

The network pulled the show after the Federal Communications Commission chair threatened regulatory action after the host's comments about Charlie Kirk's death.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[JEEP]

Anyway, based on all this and my gut feeling, I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that she was a Mossad plant serving as Charlie's handler.

It's obvious that something isn't right, from Andrew Kolvet coming out with that ridiculous spine of steel BS, the tent video person removing the camera, and then the whole area being razed and replaced with cement - none of that follows what one would expect when considering the magnitude of this crime. The Trump beauty pageant connection does make one wonder if there is more to the back story of Erika than is generally known. Feels like nothing should be taken at face value in regards to any aspect of this probable psyop.

 

[Ruth]

So it seems like there are still at least 5 important things many people would need to really “wake up“ towards in order to have a chance to significantly change course “for all“, which is probably not a realistic thing in a STS world, anyway, ever:

- Psychopathy
- Authoritarian followers (Or, “Organic Portals“, if you will)
- The STS vs STO pathway
- 4D STS
- And perhaps most importantly and difficult of all: true work on the self and realizing just how flawed you actually are and then change that.

Cool! That looks like the pursuit of knowledge to me.

I'm pretty neutral about the role of 'Organic Portals'. I'm not sure if they'd have much of part to play in any spiritual war, since they don't understand 'soul' that much, as it's under developed. I could see them being used as a 'tool' for a particular purpose, though. I see them as quite mechanical and bucolic. When you think of the Nature/Nurture dichotomy. Nurture would be just programming (instructions) for them on how to behave. Nurture for a "souled" person, however, is to produce emotional "loosh" for our overlords (ie. to give us problems).

Knowledge can be used by either STS or STO, so my current thinking is that knowledge can be used as a catylst for people to chose a "way" or the "pathway" as you mentioned (for "souled" people, anyway). This would mean that some "souled" people can chose to take the entropic (STS) way and some, the balanced (STO) way.

Because we are on an STS planet, our 'overlords' wan't to prevent this and keep us in "STS Land". Unfortunately it seems remarkably easy for them to do (due to our lack of knowledge). Sorry this is getting off topic! I still want to know exactly who, and how, they took out Charlie Kirk who seemed to be a 'force for good' in this world.
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[Ruth]

Somehow people perceive that going back to the way things were before is falling into the trap. They are not willing to make the same mistakes.

If they forget to question everything (even themselves), they'll fall right back into that recycle hole. Right back where our overlords want us. Questioning (especially themselves) and seeking knowledge, does seem to me a way of avoiding that trap. Unfortunately many people don't realise how long this planet has been compromised for.

 

[Ruth]

Could be a faked death (20m vid):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968829901554766164

Why? If all you have to do is lie about what really happened. Perhaps a fake investigation of a conspiracy, also known as a cover up?

 

[JEEP]

From Vigilant Citizen:

Everything about this assassination was horrifically symbolic. It happened on the day before 9/11, which was a “turning point” in American history. Ironically, Turning Point is the name of Kirk’s organization, and his assassination might also become a turning point in American politics.

At the moment of being shot, Kirk was speaking his mind and exercising his free speech. As the bullet went through his throat, blood gushed, and this agonizing ordeal was broadcast far and wide on social media. While footage of violent events is usually carefully censored online, Kirk’s bloody death was somehow allowed to be viewed by all.

It is almost as if “they” wanted people to see it. Because it was symbolic and ritualistic. Kirk’s words were silenced by violence, something that happens in oppressive and authoritarian states. They want these events to be normalized, and they want those who value free speech to be afraid for their life.

They want another horrific thing to be normalized: The celebration of a person’s violent death. And it started the second Kirk got shot.

The response to Kirk’s death is a new, disturbing low in American public discourse. It is almost as if “they” planned this chain of events to happen to set toxic precedents in American life. They want the outright celebration of a person’s death and the ridiculing of the legacy to become the norm. They want these posts to be received with rage and anger by the opposite side, leading to the demonization and dehumanization of opponents. In the end, America gets torn from inside – a primary goal of the globalist elite.

Since Kirk’s death, there’s been toxic, demonic energy sweeping across America. His violent murder was immediately met with a wave of taunting, mocking, and ridicule that had never been seen before. And according to numerous cultures, that is precisely what demons do.

Many traditions, particularly within certain branches of Christianity, describe demons as entities that taunt and ridicule people, often to cause emotional distress, incite anger, or lead individuals astray. These demonic attempts to mock and taunt are seen as a form of spiritual warfare, where one’s mind becomes the battlefield. To counter this, believers are encouraged to take thoughts captive, respond with God’s Word, seek wisdom from God, and rely on the strength of their faith in Christ to overcome these attacks.

Furthermore, the Greek word for “devil,” diabolos, means “slanderer,” suggesting a connection to mockery and slander.

What is currently happening is not merely political; it is spiritual. After years of claiming that our satanic popular culture is influencing society, we are seeing the results.

Charlie Kirk’s death is a symptom of a sickness that is afflicting America and several other countries. Free speech, civil discourse, and a respectful exchange of ideas – the staples of free society – are being replaced with hate, violence, and demonic taunting.

On a social level, America is allowing itself to collapse and slide into a violent and oppressive state. On a spiritual level, we’re all forcibly basking in demonic energy. It is grand time to wake up, realize what is happening and come to our senses.

 

[seek10]

I don't trust Erika Kirk. Her speech at the memorial felt like acting. Just my gut instinct. My wife thinks the same. Put together with her initial public statement and that weird photo op at the open casket, I just can't shake the feeling.

Also, this whole memorial was just gaudy and weird. What was that? Looked like a Trump rally. And the whole push for Christianity seems super contrived to me and it makes me very uncomfortable.

Now I also saw this video on X. I didn't take the time yet to confirm all of the claims, but it kinda paints a picture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970115193708638548

Also, apparently Mrs. Kirk said that Charlie and she had been to Israel at the same time twice before they met and that she thinks she noticed him there. Also that her mother was working with the government/homeland security.

Anyway, based on all this and my gut feeling, I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that she was a Mossad plant serving as Charlie's handler.

I'm giving 50/50 odds to this theory. Definitely needs more scrutinizing, but she still feels off. I'm not buying her act.

Given the impact Charlie had on kids who were super-ponerized by Leftist ideologies, and how 4D STS handles these things, every thing and any thing is possible. Before him, who played similar role? - Jordan B Peterson. We know what happened to him. But, at the same time, there is concerted effort to discredit Kirk's family and whoever questioning Israel's role in it. So, I asked Grok.

Did Erika kirk worked as casting director?

**Yes**, Erika Kirk (née Erika Frantzve) worked as a casting director in the entertainment industry. According to her official biography on her website, she pursued a career in New York City and China as a model, actress, and casting director while maintaining her Christian faith. Multiple news sources, including USA Today, NPR, and Vanity Fair, corroborate this detail from her bio, noting her roles in entertainment prior to her marriage to Charlie Kirk and her subsequent work in social entrepreneurship, ministry, and podcasting.

what is erika kirk's ministry before her marriage and does it have relation to US military

**Erika Kirk's Ministry Before Her Marriage**

Before marrying Charlie Kirk in 2021 (when she was known as Erika Frantzve), Erika built a multifaceted ministry and nonprofit career rooted in her Christian faith. Key elements include:

- **Everyday Heroes Like You (Founded 2006)**: As CEO and founder of this 501(c)(3) nonprofit, she supported under-recognized charities and initiatives globally, focusing on humanitarian efforts like orphan care and community empowerment.
- **Romanian Angels Project (Under Everyday Heroes, circa 2006 onward)**: A signature international orphan initiative in Constanța, Romania, aimed at providing care, education, and support for vulnerable children in orphanages.
- **BIBLEin365 (Created 2016)**: A ministry program designed to help individuals engage with the Bible daily through structured devotional reading and resources.
- **PROCLAIM**: A faith-based clothing line made in the USA, empowering people to express their beliefs through apparel.
- **Midweek Rise Up Podcast**: A devotional series she hosted, emphasizing Biblical principles for leadership and personal growth.

These efforts stemmed from her background as a former NCAA women's basketball athlete, Miss Arizona USA 2012 winner, and her academic pursuits, including a Juris Master's in American Legal Studies and ongoing Doctorate in Biblical Studies from Liberty University.

**Relation to the US Military**

Yes, there is a direct connection through the Romanian Angels project. Erika's nonprofit partnered with the U.S. Marine Corps to sponsor and support an orphanage in Romania, combining military outreach with humanitarian aid to provide resources for the children. This collaboration highlighted her work's global reach and alignment with service-oriented values. No other military ties appear in her pre-marriage ministry.

What are the controversies related to Romanian Angels project?

### Overview of Controversies
The Romanian Angels project, a humanitarian initiative under Erika Kirk's (née Frantzve) nonprofit Everyday Heroes Like You, focused on supporting vulnerable children at the Antonio Placement Center orphanage in Constanța, Romania, through sponsorships, holiday gifts, and partnerships with the U.S. military (including the Marine Corps). Launched around 2007–2008, it aimed to provide emotional and material aid to orphans. While the project has no documented official investigations or charges against it, it has faced significant online scrutiny and unverified allegations, particularly resurfacing in September 2025 following Kirk's appointment as CEO of Turning Point USA after her husband Charlie Kirk's death. These claims largely stem from broader historical concerns about child trafficking in Romania and evangelical charities operating there.

### Key Allegations and Claims
The primary controversy revolves around unverified accusations of child trafficking, amplified on social media platforms like X (formerly Twitter), Threads, Reddit, and conspiracy-oriented sites. Here's a breakdown:

Allegation	Details	Status and Evidence
Child Trafficking Involvement	Claims assert that children participating in Romanian Angels "disappeared" after engaging with the program, allegedly trafficked to destinations like Israel or the U.S. Some posts link it to adoptions or foster care facilitation by the ministry.	Unverified and unsubstantiated. No credible reports from Romanian authorities, the U.S. State Department, or major outlets (e.g., Reuters, AP) name Romanian Angels or Kirk in trafficking cases. Allegations tie into wider Romanian media reports (e.g., from 2001–2011) on evangelical groups in Constanța and Tândărei (a town ~118 km away) involved in organ trafficking or illegal adoptions, but these predate or do not directly involve the project. Social media often conflates Romanian Angels with unrelated scandals, such as a 1993 adoption case or the Tate brothers' "Tate's Angels" (a separate entity).
Forced Expulsion from Romania in 2011	Social media rumors claim the project was "asked to leave" Romania due to local complaints about child abductions or suspicious activities.	No official record. Romanian government documents and news archives show no deportation or ban for Romanian Angels. The claim appears to stem from 2011 investigations into other charities in the region, but Everyday Heroes Like You continued operations post-2011, including a 2013 U.S. Marine Corps partnership.
Links to Sexual Abuse and Cover-Ups	A Threads post alleges a connection to Paul Havsgaard (from Harvest Church, CA), sued for sexual abuse and trafficking at a Romanian children's home run by Everyday Heroes Like You, with claims of negligence by pastor Greg Laurie over 20 years.	Unconfirmed and indirect. No lawsuits or reports explicitly tie Havsgaard or Laurie to Romanian Angels or the Antonio Placement Center. The post lacks sources, and searches yield no corroborating legal filings. This may confuse Romanian Angels with other orphanages or unrelated U.S.-Romanian church scandals.
Military Partnership Scrutiny	The U.S. Marine Corps collaboration (e.g., joint sponsorship of the orphanage) has been questioned in conspiracy theories as enabling trafficking under a humanitarian guise.	No evidence of wrongdoing. The partnership is positively documented in Kirk's bio and Arizona media (e.g., a 2012 Arizona Foothills profile), focusing on holiday aid like Christmas wishlists. No military or governmental probes have surfaced.

### Broader Context and Spread
- **Historical Backdrop**: Romania has a documented history of child trafficking post-Communism, with hotspots in Constanța and Tândărei. A 2001 Haaretz report highlighted Israeli adoption agencies' links to organ trafficking, and Radio Free Europe covered 1990s adoptions as potential trafficking. Evangelical U.S. groups faced general suspicion, but Romanian Angels (post-2007) is not cited in these.
- **Recent Amplification**: Post-September 10, 2025 (Charlie Kirk's assassination), claims exploded online, often tied to anti-conservative narratives or Epstein-related conspiracies (e.g., Kirk's Miss USA ties to Trump). Blogs like MysteryLores and Greek News On Demand speculate without evidence, estimating "70% skepticism" among readers.
- **Defenses and Fact-Checks**: Outlets like Hindustan Times, iNews, and 8pmnews label claims as "rumors" or "fake news," noting their origin in anonymous social posts. Kirk's nonprofit maintains a clean Charity Navigator profile, with no IRS flags.

In summary, while Romanian Angels operated in a region with real trafficking issues, the controversies are driven by unsubstantiated online speculation rather than proven facts. No legal actions have been taken against Kirk or the project, and it appears to have positively impacted the orphanage through documented aid efforts.

Is Erika Kirk is a multi millionaire before marrying?

There is no definitive evidence or reliable public data confirming that Erika Kirk (née Erika Frantzve) was a multimillionaire before her marriage to Charlie Kirk in May 2021. Below is an analysis based on available information about her financial status prior to her marriage, drawn from her professional endeavors, public profiles, and related sources.

### Key Points About Erika Frantzve’s Pre-Marriage Career and Finances
1. **Professional Background**:
- **Entertainment Career**: Erika worked as a model, actress, and casting director in New York City and China. While these roles can be lucrative, they typically do not generate multimillion-dollar wealth unless one achieves significant fame or secures high-profile contracts, which is not indicated in her case.
- **Nonprofit Work**: She founded and led *Everyday Heroes Like You* (circa 2006), a 501(c)(3) nonprofit focused on humanitarian causes, including the *Romanian Angels* project. Nonprofits generally do not generate personal wealth for founders, as funds are directed toward charitable activities. No financial disclosures suggest she amassed millions from this.
- **Entrepreneurial Ventures**: Erika created *PROCLAIM*, a faith-based clothing line, and hosted the *Midweek Rise Up* podcast. While these could generate income, there’s no evidence they scaled to multimillion-dollar enterprises. *PROCLAIM* is described as a small, U.S.-made brand, and podcasting revenue typically requires a large audience, which isn’t documented here.
- **Pageantry**: As Miss Arizona USA 2012, she competed in Miss USA but did not win. Pageant winnings and sponsorships can provide income, but they are unlikely to reach multimillion-dollar levels.

2. **Public Records and Net Worth Estimates**:
- No credible sources (e.g., Forbes, Bloomberg, or financial disclosures) provide a pre-marriage net worth for Erika Frantzve. Post-marriage estimates for the Kirks as a couple vary widely, with sites like *SarkariExam* (2025) and *WealthyCelebrity* citing $2–3 million combined, largely attributed to Charlie Kirk’s work with Turning Point USA and media ventures. Erika’s contributions are noted as secondary (e.g., podcasting, nonprofit leadership).
- Pre-marriage, her income likely came from modeling, acting, and her clothing line, but these are not described as highly lucrative. For example, a 2012 *Arizona Foothills* profile highlights her nonprofit and pageant work but does not suggest vast personal wealth.
- Her education (Juris Master’s from Liberty University, ongoing doctorate) and lifestyle (e.g., missionary work in Romania) suggest a focus on service and faith over wealth accumulation.

3. **Social Media and Speculation**:
- Posts on X and other platforms (e.g., Reddit, Threads) occasionally speculate about the Kirks’ wealth, especially after Charlie Kirk’s death in September 2025, when Erika became CEO of Turning Point USA. However, these focus on post-marriage assets or Turning Point’s funding, not her pre-marriage status. Claims of her being a multimillionaire before 2021 lack substantiation and often tie to unverified conspiracy narratives.

4. **Context of Wealth in Her Circle**:
- Erika’s association with high-profile figures (e.g., Charlie Kirk, Trump via Miss USA) and her pageant background might create an impression of wealth. However, pageant contestants and nonprofit founders typically rely on sponsorships or external support, not personal fortunes.
- Her partnership with the U.S. Marine Corps for *Romanian Angels* and her faith-based initiatives suggest a modest, service-oriented lifestyle rather than a multimillion-dollar personal fortune.

### Conclusion
Based on available evidence, Erika Frantzve was not likely a multimillionaire before marrying Charlie Kirk in 2021. Her income from modeling, acting, pageantry, and entrepreneurial ventures (*PROCLAIM*, podcasting) likely provided a comfortable living, but there’s no indication of multimillion-dollar wealth. Her nonprofit work, while impactful, is not a typical source of personal riches. Speculative claims on social media lack credible backing, and financial estimates focus on the Kirks’ combined wealth post-marriage, primarily tied to Charlie’s career. For precise financial details, no public records confirm her net worth pre-2021.

Yes, she is a casting director, related to Trump's projects ( like miss USA, conservatives movement, etc.) , her charity is linked to marines project (who does what they do). Does it mean she was a setup? If she was a handler of Charlie, she must have a failed one given that he went against Israel. Does it mean she won't be switched on now? may be or may be not, too early to say. Even if she is genuine person, life won't be so easy in any case to go against the grain of Post WW II control system.

 

[JEEP]

A posting on The Unz Review starts off with this:

Attention Readers: The official narrative of Charlie Kirk’s assassination is unraveling faster than it can be put back together. The latest is that the alleged 30-06 caliber bullet that hit Charlie Kirk in the neck did not exit Kirk’s neck. This is an impossibility. A 30-06 qualifies as a large animal caliber for moose, elk, and grizzly bear. The surgeon who said the missing bullet made no exit wound said that Charlie was so healthy that he was “a man of steel” and his bone density stopped the bullet. What bone density does the neck have?

The narrative controllers must be laughing their heads off. They have Charlie Kirk’s Christian supporters off focus and enraptured with God’s miracle of Kirk’s bone density which saved the lives of those standing behind Kirk. TPUSA Spokesperson Says ‘Absolute Miracle’ May Have Saved Lives During Charlie Kirk Assassination

How is it possible that it took so long for anyone to realize that there was no exit wound? Why were they talking about a missing bullet when there is no exit wound? Moreover, if the surgeon found a bullet in Kirk’s neck, who can we trust to ascertain that it was fired from a 30-06? That has to be the finding or the narrative again has to be revised.

And it just gets more conspiratorial from there:

If the report is true that the bullet did not exit Charlie Kirk’s neck, the bullet was not a high powered rifle bullet. It was a bullet from a palm pistol as suggested by the video below. If it was a bullet from a palm pistol, it will be a .17 caliber, a .22 caliber, at most a .25 caliber. The recoil from the palm pistol in the shooters hand is slight, certainly not 30-06.

The referenced vid (which I just started watching) is a discussion between Paul Craig Roberts, Gary Heavin, and Mike Farris with a run time of 1:13:17. PCR is going first and substantiates some things I've posted in this thread about Charlie being a rising star and being seen as a threat - in the same way MLK, Malcolm X, and JFK were. Possible either the ruling elite or Netanyahu took him out. He calls out the fiction of the Judeo-Christian ethic. Based on the intro, I think Gary is going to be the one to suggest a palm pistol was used for the assassination. Don't know if he's going to say the brown shirt guy did it - maybe someone else or just that had to be the weapon used.

Here's the vid:

EDIT: Posted too soon - yes, saying it is the brown shirt guy and there is recoil exhibited. The vid they referenced below on X (and not the discussion one):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967372799645012036

I guess they'll make a case that he's the guy.

 

[Ruth]

This is a 'tongue in cheek' style assessment by Ian Carroll on what we know, and don't know about the Charlie Kirk murder. (Complete video about 1 hr long).

 

[JEEP]

I guess they'll make a case that he's the guy.

Well, not really. Just went with the X vid and the claim there was slight recoil. But, they made the point that if the neck wound was an entry wound, it had to be from a small caliber round. A rifle shot would have caused massive damage that wasn't what was seen.

assessment by Ian Carroll on what we know, and don't know about the Charlie Kirk murder

OK - skimmed through and saw most of it. The gist was a shot from the right that went in from back of the head, out through the neck, and the bullet was even captured going down past Charlie's black pants. It was previously thought it was a bullet going up from the trap door. If this is the case, then that explains the removal of the camera - and that guy misled/lied to Candace, showed her altered footage - and the removal of the ground and paving over it.

Now here's another video that absolutely says it was a shot from the right to the back of the head/exit out the neck and even a possible capture of the perp hidden by a bush (or wearing green clothing):

[see upper left]

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[zoomed view]


[greenery/skin tones/hat & hair/weapon?]


Here's the vid that had these captures:

ADDED - The bullet heading to the ground from the Ian Carroll vid:


Seems like the most plausible explanation and a whole lot of lying going on.