Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

They didn't rig the Butler podium to explode when they tried to kill Trump and he was a much bigger target, so I think it's only logical that we use Butler as a reference. The setup there was relatively clean, a patsy and a cleanup crew, so if they didn't need such a complicated undertaking to take out the President of the USA I don't think it's reasonable to suspect they'd need more than the same to take out a lower profile target.
However, they didn’t succeed in taking out Trump. So, they have reason to err on the side of caution and take further measures to ensure success.
Whilst it may seem logical that Charlie Kirk would be perceived as a less important figure and not justify such measures. We should keep in mind that many conservative leaning political commentators have become more cautious and aware of the risks of harm post the assassination. Had it failed not only would we likely see a similar reaction making it harder to successfully replicate in the future, but Charlie Kirk would be still alive to resist the narrative control around the event. If Mossad is indeed the main driver of the assassination, its failure would represent a significant humiliation at a time when they seem to be preparing for further action against Iran and Israel's public position on the world stage is weakening. There was and still is a lot at stake for the PTB around the assassination of Charlie Kirk who are doing their best to exploit it.
I think given the peculiarities around the event and major inconsistencies with the official narrative and damage of the supposed projectile it is not unreasonable to suspect a greater direct level of contribution from the other forces involved compared to the Butler assassination attempt on Trump.

The prospect of a microphone/battery detonation is interesting, but I think the risk would be too much given how obvious the real culprit would be if people became aware of it. The pager attacks last year and Trump being gifted a golden pager (theorized by some at the time to be a threat). They would have to be extremely arrogant, to think they could get away with this method of execution, though I suppose wishful thinking is their Achilles Heel.
 
When the gunshot is heard it sounds like and people were reacting as if the sound didn't come from Charlie. Aka, something on his person didn't explode.

That depends on how much sound the 'chest explosion' made.

Why did the shirt do the thing? I'm thinking it's got to do with the bullet but that ultimately it's not that important a detail.

Pretty sure it's impossible that a bullet that cleanly entered his neck would do that to a shirt. Bullets create little to no shockwave

If you're going to make it seem like a lone wolf gunman and you have the ability to use a lone wolf gunman, then why not use a lone wolf gunman? Why use an exploding microphone?

There are plenty of previous examples of these operations where we concluded that the "lone gunman" was at the scene, had a gun, maybe even shot off a few rounds (or not), but the real shooters were a team. There's evidence that there are many variations of these "lone gunman" ops.

How would the microphone or battery pack or whatever create enough concussive capacity to send shrapnel into Kirk's neck/brain and not also create any sound?

That close to the impact area (a few inches) you wouldn't need much energy, and I'm suggesting compressed air here, no explosives, so not much sound. If detonated at the same time as someone firing a real rifle, the rifle shot would obscure any sound from or attention on something 'blowing up' behind his teeshirt.

The possibility seems like it creates more problems than it solves and raises more questions than it answers.

I agree it makes it all more complex than may seem necessary, but we really don't have a full grasp of the nature or intent of the people behind this. What I think we can assume is that they have all the resources they need to more or less do whatever they want and get away with it, at least officially.
 
I think his necklace with the relatively “heavy“ cross (and/or other things) on it is still the most plausible/rational explanation for the behavior of the shirt.

Although you would think the necklace and/or Kirks body couldn‘t have moved that dramatically to cause the shirt to blow out that dramatically. But that is probably in reality a bit hard to say because you would need the speed and behavior of Kirks body modeled in 3D space and how that would effect that specific necklace under a shirt. But even then you have factors/dimensions/movements under his shirt that could significantly alter the behavior of the necklace that we likely will never know for sure.

The official story is that a .30-06 bullet cleanly entered his neck. From the video we can see that the wound appears beyond his shirt and beyond where his necklace was, so the bullet did not touch either his shirt or his necklace. Bullets do not produce a shockwave.

You can try an experiment yourself. Sit on a chair with a teeshirt on and move, contort, jump around in the chair without whatever force you want and see if you can get your shirt to inflate at the back and front and then make the corner stretch up to almost your ear, in teh same way that Charlie's did.
 
It's being dismissed because it's overly complicated compared to what has already happened with a similar suspect and MO and very easily could have been done again.

To be logical, you'd have to include all known or suspected similar "patsy" shootings, perhaps going back to Sirhan Sirhan. Based on our experience investigating those, I'd say it's actually unusual for them to use an *actual* lone gunman shooter like at Butler (albeit with him being taken out by the conspirators immediately after he fired off his shots). Many (or most) others were more complex. We've often said in the past that the reason they probably don't rely on a lone gunman to do the job is because the chances of him not doing what he is supposed to are too high.

So a more complex operation involving more than the patsy shooter is probably the norm.
 
So we're looking at at a battery pack inside the shirt being turned into a type of air gun that fired a bullet?

Not sure what exactly happened with that shirt mic. This Redacted vid previously posted goes into the subject beginning at 12 minutes:


Just before that is new footage in which you can clearly see the mic and what appears to be some kind of explosive type action under the shirt. The rectangle mic stays intact - there's no evidence that it broke up into pieces. This point was noted in the vid:

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And Clayton goes on to show his wireless mic, the top piece (left) and the magnetic piece (right) that allows attachment to the shirt beginning at 15:40 -

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So some invisible compressed air/gas shot out of the black rectangle mic on top of his shirt that made the kill shot to the neck along with a shockwave that ballooned his shirt and broke the necklace? In the vid of the shooting, the black rectangle does appear angled toward the neck where the wound occurred.

How would the microphone or battery pack or whatever create enough concussive capacity to send shrapnel into Kirk's neck/brain and not also create any sound?
Two points:
It's been shown that when the "shot" sound was heard, the audience did not immediately turn in the direction of the supposed roof shooter save one woman who stared intently at brown shirt man. Why didn't the audience look back at where the shot sound was supposed to have come from - the lone gunman now running on the roof!

As I previously posted:
A "sonic blast" from a small explosion refers to the loud, sharp sound, known as a sonic boom, that occurs when an object, such as a small explosive device, travels faster than the speed of sound. The sudden release of energy from the small explosion creates a shock wave that, once it hits an observer, is perceived as a booming or cracking sound.

the second, odd, slightly-off-time-wise 'thud' sound that's heard
I believe that the "thud" sound was debunked as being separate from the initial "shot" sound, they're part of the same source and don't represent two separate hits.

And so, round and round we go trying to figure this thing out. Was the shirt mic the weapon - was it some new, unknown tech never before seen - was his staff responsible for supplying it to him and detonating it? Why did the explosive force not knock it off the shirt? Was that some super strong magnet holding it on? Was that strange puff seem coming (?) from the mic the compressed air or gas that made the neck kill shot? Just the supersonic compressed air/gas itself or some kind of bullet/projectile was shot out?

Maybe it's a lot more likely that a pro sniper took the shot that created the shockwave that ballooned the shirt/broke the chain (as explained by Larry C. Johnson) with Tyler being the prearranged patsy to take the fall. Occam's razor?
 
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The official story is that a .30-06 bullet cleanly entered his neck. From the video we can see that the wound appears beyond his shirt and beyond where his necklace was, so the bullet did not touch either his shirt or his necklace. Bullets do not produce a shockwave.

You can try an experiment yourself. Sit on a chair with a teeshirt on and move, contort, jump around in the chair without whatever force you want and see if you can get your shirt to inflate at the back and front and then make the corner stretch up to almost your ear, in teh same way that Charlie's did.

The idea that some have proposed for the movement of the shirt is that the necklace that he was apparently wearing with a cross on it caused that movement under his shirt. That seemed like a possible thing to me. But the video that we now have seems to show a much more pronounced, heavy, quick and pointed movement, as you say, almost to the ear. Which I didn't see in other videos.

On the face of it, such an extreme/quick movement doesn't seem to be consistent with his body movement and/or the necklace at all. In other words, it looks way too extreme for Kirks body movement to have caused the necklace to "jump up" that extremely. And I doubt that anyone could reproduce that extreme/quick movement of the shirt with a necklace, even if you would move your body much quicker and much more pronounced than Kirk did at that moment.
 
I tried to calculate the minimum size of an air pressure Zylinder that is designed to shoot just one projectile via Grok. Here is what I asked Grok.

Here is Groks conclusion for two different bullets, the latter being the one Tyler is supposed to have used:





So from that I think it would be possible to build/create a pretty small shooting/exploding device that can cause a lot of damage close by: With air pressure alone.

And that's with a larger .30-06. I doubt that's what was used in such a device.

Yes. I would guess that you could even use a much smaller/less dense caliber to cause significant damage so close to the body, with, let's say, air pressure. Grok said that the size of the needed air Cylinder could be as small as 9 mm diameter × 45 mm length (0.36 × 1.78 inches, with a .177 caliber, for example. Which is a significantly smaller projectile than the .30-06.

I would guess with air pressure, you could also use a much less heavy and/or dense material than that for the projectile, which "catapults" out into Kirk and cause that damage. Which then could make the problem (that A Jay brought up) of needing to secure the device pretty securely on Kirks body, possibly not quite as difficult as thought.
 
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Maybe it's a lot more likely that a pro sniper took the shot that created the shockwave that ballooned the shirt/broke the chain (as explained by Larry C. Johnson) with Tyler being the prearranged patsy to take the fall. Occam's razor?

Occam's razor doesn't like that explanation.

Here's a 50cal bullet creating no perceptible shockwave as it passes within a bullet's diameter of a mound of flour.

 
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This showed up in my feed just after the assassination.
Here’s what compressed air (and nothing else) can do.

The deformation of the cardboard box would match the bulges that appear in the shirt (to the right, also behind the neck if you’ve seen the side footage).

It’s possible a chemical propellant was used, an ‘explosive’ that creates that much air pressure instantly. It would make more sense than having a container store it.
It would also likely need a projectile of some sort attached.

I did look at igniting bullets in a stationary position, but force expelled both sides with equal force - making it non lethal.
Recoil (the launcher not being held steady) is the main thing that could debunk this theory. How do you launch a projectile with enough force without tearing out the shirt in the opposite direction direction?
 
That close to the impact area (a few inches) you wouldn't need much energy, and I'm suggesting compressed air here, no explosives, so not much sound. If detonated at the same time as someone firing a real rifle, the rifle shot would obscure any sound from or attention on something 'blowing up' behind his teeshirt.

Yeah, I was thinking that this could be likely. The guy that Candance referenced in one of her shows that filmed the video of another person in tactical gear on another roof said that he actually saw that person firing, so, it could be possible that he was there just to shoot at whatever in order to distract and "muddy the waters" but that he wasn't the shooter that killed Charlie Kirk, for example.
 
Here’s a year down of one of those DJI mics.
The battery is the bit I was interested in.

Based on the style of the battery and the size of the device, I’m going to call it and say this is “pagers v2.0” - this time with a partially shaped/directional charge.

 
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