Was thinking shaped charge too.
Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history
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Was thinking shaped charge too.
Perhaps we are being distracted by the microphone. Something else detonated from his back, right side of his neck/shoulder.
It was visible in the first, lower-quality video - it just wasn't as clear because of the blurriness.
They don't create a shockwave around them when they're flying through the air, but when they enter the body they create a pressure wave that causes a temporary wound cavity. Basically, the extreme pressure of the bullet entering and passing through tissue expands that tissue rapidly outward at a high speed. Hydrostatic shock may also play a role here, as the watery tissue rapidly expands with the wound cavity and can cause damage to more distant parts of the body, like the nervous system. Parts of the surface of the body might expand briefly and rapidly as a bullet passes through.
I only found one video with a ballistic dummy wearing any sort of clothing - but it is wearing a necklace of sorts. It's not directly analogous, for several reasons: this guy is using joke ammunition and shotguns, it's a dummy and not a real body, and the shots are to the chest, not neck. But it could still give some idea of the transfer of force involved when a stationary body is hit with a fast projectile. Look what happens to the ribbon and medallion when shot just above it, and then again just to the right (three timestamps here, here and here). In the first shot, the whole ribbon gets pulled out in all directions, then the hanging medallion launches up over the head, the weak connections with the fabric of the cape break, and the medallion flies back over the left shoulder. In the second, the medallion launches straight up in front of the face and then gets pulled back down to the chest. In the third, it launches over the right shoulder.
One of the things Gary at PT is planning for his video is to get some ballistic dummies and try out various scenarios. Pretty sure he'll be using clothes and a necklace, so we should be able to get some data from that.
Whatever hit Kirk, it clearly had a lot of force judging by the reaction of his body, the contortions to his face, the flinging forward of the hair at his hairline. If it wasn't a .30-06, I think the most likely solution is that it just wasn't a .30-06. Either the Mauser was rechambered, or it wasn't the rifle used, or he was using an odd type of ammunition. All of those seem more likely than the microphone weapon, IMO. Like RedFox pointed out
Also considering that throughout the whole explosive event, the magnetic clip didn't even detach.
That's what bothers me about this theory. If the mic 'exploded' or shot a small projectile or compressed air, that would explain the movement of the shirt as well as the apparent 'cloud'/shockwave on his neck. However, the mic is pushed towards Charlie's neck, when it should be the other way around if that's a recoil. Unless the explosive/shooting device was under the shirt and not the mic itself. But then that would be the magnet which is way smaller. If it was something larger, Charlie would have noticed it wasn't normal.
Although the video with the medallion seems to show shotgun rounds (?) the transfer of energy is quite impressive and the subsequent movement of the medallion too, even though it wasn’t hit directly, apparently. I wouldn’t have expected that!
It seems like the power of the projectile transfers waves of energy into the stationary body which then can strongly effect things like medallions or necklaces hanging loosely on the body. So I would guess that a strong caliber can also transfer quite some energy and that Kirks necklace/cross was apparently significantly smaller than the medallion too. Thus probably having a even stronger reaction.
Which all leads me to think now that the behavior of the shirt could indeed have been caused by Tylers shot to the neck (and the behavior of a necklace). It would also solve that mystery quite reasonably I think.
Tyler or an actual professional sniper? The jury is still out on this - at least for some.
Ricardo
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fwiw , the puff underneath CK`s tee-shirt and how the tee-shirt moves points to a right to left ( of CK's body ) movement of whatever killed him , this makes a front hit by a projectile/bullet unlikely to be cause of death , and neck/artery to be a possible exit wound. But still leaves questions un-answered. A smaller projectile causing the decorticate posturing without fragmentation at still high speeds seems unlikely ?
edit - so far there's no evidence that Tyler did anything other than possibly being in the right place / right time. imo
edit - so far there's no evidence that Tyler did anything other than possibly being in the right place / right time. imo
Yeah, and I was mostly paying attention to the slow-motion footage. In real time the medallion snaps up very fast, similar to Kirk's shirt. As for the medallion itself, it's probably just plastic, so might actually be pretty close in mass to Charlie's cross.
So are we to understand that the doctor signed the death certificate with the cause of death such that an autopsy was skipped? Was this the surgeon who supposedly recovered an intact bullet (no identifying details about the bullet) just under the skin with further remarks that it was an other lives saving miracle due to Charlie's spine of steel?
Boy - are we ever in bizarro world!
BTW:
Sound analysis from Goodman to whittle all the flying objects we see in footage from Sept 10th at UVU down to just 3-4 potential drones. Also a decent overall theory that, together, said drones could form an 'ISR network' to provide both signals potential for any perps, and to disrupt signals of anyone livestreaming the event - thus, in both cases, to 'control the digital environment'.
However, his guess as to how/what killed Kirk is questionable: that the drones provided 'digital triggers' for the simultaneous firing of two guns, one from the roof of the Losee building, and the second from Kirk's right, with the latter being the one that hit him. He's overlooking the evidence that Kirk's t-shirt 'blew up', and 'assuming' evidence for a bullet having been fired from Kirk's right.
Also, at the 17-minute mark, he's asked whether he ever saw/verified the presence of a drone at Butler last year. He says he's unsure despite looking long and hard at the footage from July 13th - which is odd, given that you didn't need hi-res footage and photo-editing software to spot at least two of them - before giving his theory that Crooks was never on the roof and that someone else entirely was killed there that day.
He's a bit of an odd duck, Goodman. Appeared on the scene in the aftermath of the Las Vegas massacre (and accompanying Strip terror shootings), did great investigative work, yet seemed - both then and still now - to be unable to come to the appropriate conclusions as to how/why they happened.
Ricardo
The Living Force
Local police @ Salt Lake getting instructions from FBI & SBI for not interviewing a person ? wtf
Grok summary :
Grok summary :
- The audio transcript from the dispatch recording, as provided in the X post, is as follows: "Just 10-14. I'm still about 15 out, but the 1D unit that's going to be up there is an interview. As per FBI and SBI we've been given clear direction not to interview confirming negative interviews until they get their... 140 We were NOT gonna interview! We are just arriving now. Copy That ...151 This was relayed by Salt Lake They're advising a complaining call 911 He was stating There's AAPB Out on him for shooting at UVU He's now singing at the Urban Pioneer Cafe and SMBP Break I was just told that The FBI wants you to stand by there with him And they're on their way to you. Thank You That came from the agent that's leaving Provo PD right Now." [Source: X post by HustleBitch_ on September 26, 2025]
- The background to this audio is the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a conservative activist and founder of Turning Point USA, which occurred on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University. The incident involved a shooter firing from approximately 200 yards away, resulting in Kirk's death from a neck wound. [Source: Fox News, September 12, 2025]
- The dispatch audio captures the immediate response and instructions from law enforcement following the shooting, highlighting a directive from the FBI and State Bureau of Investigation (SBI) not to interview a person of interest, which is unusual in homicide investigations where prompt questioning of suspects and witnesses is typically standard procedure. [Source: X post by HustleBitch_ on September 26, 2025]
- The mention of "AAPB" likely refers to an All-Points Bulletin, indicating a widespread alert for the suspect involved in the shooting at UVU. [Source: Wikipedia on State Bureau of Investigation, August 1, 2025]
- The audio also references locations such as the Urban Pioneer Cafe and SMBP, which may be relevant to the investigation's scope or the movements of the suspect post-incident. [Source: X post by HustleBitch_ on September 26, 2025]
Looks like this is a misunderstanding of something the police dispatcher said on the day.
Grok says:
Sorry to cite Grok, but I see no media report about the autopsy status (and here I'm presuming that that's because its findings - preliminary or final - just haven't been published yet).
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