Che Guevara Pharaon

[kryon]

Even if my eyes are rolling at the image I understand your sentimentality, yet I would like to assure you that Egyptian protesters are very far away from the 1950ies and the fervor of organised revolution against the oppressor - dictatorium of the proletariat stuff. They are simply trying to get out under Mubarak's thumb, that's all.

 

[Gimpy]

kryon,

I have no idea what you are talking about. What does the 1950's have to do with what's going on in Egypt right now? Of what sentiment are you referring to?

 

[Phosphene]

I believe he is referring to today's SOTT.net picture of the day. Just for the record, here it is:

 

[kryon]

kryon,

I have no idea what you are talking about. What does the 1950's have to do with what's going on in Egypt right now? Of what sentiment are you referring to?

I am reffering to the picture of the day on the SOTT news site, clever but inacurate from my point of view

 

[kryon]

I believe he is referring to today's SOTT.net picture of the day. Just for the record, here it is:

Ah, here it is, thank you, Phosphene, I need to learn how to do this kind of stuff, so amazing- this computer tech...I feel like an Neanderthal, sometimes in this Society.

 

[Gimpy]

kryon,

I have no idea what you are talking about. What does the 1950's have to do with what's going on in Egypt right now? Of what sentiment are you referring to?

I am reffering to the picture of the day on the SOTT news site, clever but inacurate from my point of view

I still have no idea what you are talking about.....? All I see is a bit of cynicism. How do you see sentimentality? Or the 1950's?

 

[kryon]

kryon,

I have no idea what you are talking about. What does the 1950's have to do with what's going on in Egypt right now? Of what sentiment are you referring to?

I am referring to the picture of the day on the SOTT news site, clever but inaccurate from my point of view

I still have no idea what you are talking about.....? All I see is a bit of cynicism. How do you see sentimentality? Or the 1950's?

No dear, Gympy, no cynicism, read about Che Guevara and you'll see what I am talking about. Come on now, the sentimentality comes from the illustration which you have undoubtedly have seen on shirts all over the world, representing a cool-dude, with free mind and a devil may care attitude. Come now, no one is attacking your integrity, I am simply commenting on what I think about something.
My turn,
how would you prove to me this illustration is not sentimental, since Che, happened back in the 50ies and everyone remembers-ofcourse I don't know if you were alive then, but I remember how sad the progressive world was when he was killed in some place in South America, etc etc. Tell me how that is not sentimental?
Why are you so combatative?

 

[mkrnhr]

hello Kryon,
A symbol carries more than a historical/political value in itself. The egyptian youth of today has its symbols and mythological representations that are not easy to decifer from outside. Youngsters in general may have a certain idea of a lost past of resistance that they identify with. Who knows for sure? For example, the media in south america has been crazy demonizing the memory of its revolutionary past and yet, you find youngsters of 20 years old who wear the palestinian scarf as a defiance to a system they do not understand fully, but they feel inside that they have to defy in order to preserve something inside, a revolutionary innocence. So, who really knows what it represents in a young mind's unconscious mode of representation?

 

[anart]

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/223527-Mr-Fish-on-Aljazeera

 

[kryon]

hello Kryon,
A symbol carries more than a historical/political value in itself. The egyptian youth of today has its symbols and mythological representations that are not easy to decifer from outside. Youngsters in general may have a certain idea of a lost past of resistance that they identify with. Who knows for sure? For example, the media in south america has been crazy demonizing the memory of its revolutionary past and yet, you find youngsters of 20 years old who wear the palestinian scarf as a defiance to a system they do not understand fully, but they feel inside that they have to defy in order to preserve something inside, a revolutionary innocence. So, who really knows what it represents in a young mind's unconscious mode of representation?

Aha, are you saying that this image was not designed by SOTT news, if so then the issue is completely different. I am in absolute agreement with what you have said. It is so true.

 

[kryon]

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/223527-Mr-Fish-on-Aljazeera

I see, now I see -if I could learn how to access all the information before I out a foot in my mouth it would be so- how shalll I say- appropriate?

 

[Gimpy]

No dear, Gympy, no cynicism, read about Che Guevara and you'll see what I am talking about.

I see cynicism in the cartoon, kryon, not in your response to it. Apologies if that was not clear. :)

Come on now, the sentimentality comes from the illustration which you have undoubtedly have seen on shirts all over the world, representing a cool-dude, with free mind and a devil may care attitude. Come now, no one is attacking your integrity, I am simply commenting on what I think about something.

I do not feel attacked at all. I really didn't know what you were talking about. When I don't understand someone, I ask questions.

My turn,
how would you prove to me this illustration is not sentimental, since Che, happened back in the 50ies and everyone remembers-ofcourse I don't know if you were alive then, but I remember how sad the progressive world was when he was killed in some place in South America, etc etc.

There was nothing personal in what I was asking about, kryon. I really didn't understand you.

Tell me how that is not sentimental?

It's just a cartoon. Sentiment is in the eye of the beholder.

Why are you so combatative?

I'm not. Though I'm curious as to why you would think so?

 

[kryon]

So many things, so many ideas.
As I was playing music at my gig tonight, I saw a person wearing one of these illustrations on a t-shirt. Isn't that amazing?
Anyway, my first responce was to almost choke on the mic, but thought better and at one of the intermissions I went and asked the young fellow what he thought of the image.
"Its awesomely cool" he said and turned his back on me- given I am an old, white haired dude who plays music.
I tapped on his shoulder and asked again.
Do you know what it represents?
-No, what's your problem, old man?
I left him alone, talking to the cute ringnosed girl, but couldn't stop thinking .
Who thought of putting these extremely opposite images together and try to represent freedom

Pharaoh - the ultimate oppressor

Che- the ultimate rebel.

Go figure