Children's Chronic Rhinitis

I'm surprised to read some comments to your post. Only Mari's response makes full sense.

And it's a good thing that ApotheosisMMC has not been his tonsils removed. there is no useless organ in our body tonsils and adenoids, as well intestinal appendice are immunity organs!! No organ is useless in our body (unless it is really ill with complication risk). They are called lymphoid organs because they are full of lymphocytes, there immunity cells that multiply (thus the increasing volume of these organes, with inflammation). They multiply in order to neutralyie harmfull molecules entering the body (especially in food and water, some medicaments too.

- Surgery: I don't recommend that. It's a normal and good thing tonsils and adenoids are large at that age (unless there are obstructive, which is not the case here. It's a sign that her immune response is working, white cells try to neutralize foreign elements. Removing them is an abusive surgery (unless there are really obstructive, ie with difficult breathing, wich is not the case here)
- Tylenol; it's acetaminophen!! search it on sott, there are some very bad side effects, somme not visible but insidious especially on liver an brain.
- same thing with ear drainers: its' avoidable in the cases similar to your daughter's.

- when she "catches" something like a cold or the flu (or I don't know what), the mucus doubles or triples.
Too much mucous is a physiologic and normal process: the mucosal line increases the mucus secretion in order to expel foreign and toxic molecules. When it becomes problematic, like in this case, I don't recommend antibiotics (I agree with the allergologist here), neither NSAID like someone recommended it here).

Sea salt cleaning: why not but it's not enough. The neti pot is not more efficient than a single cleaner. I rather recommend to do it with nebulisation. There was a thread about that, I don't remermber the title. In the nebulizer, you can put physiologic water with a bit of dissolved sea salt, sodium bicarbonate ++, NAC ++, magnesium, vit C if you want.

- NAC is very good per os too.

ear drops, anti-histamin: No!! One must avoid all these stuff full of artificial and insidious toxics and without real good effect.
Other advices:
-probiotics
-avoid vitamins from pharmacies (lots of additives and some elements not good, contrary to common belief like iron)
- replace it with Bach flowers or with homeopathy, it works well for nose and ears.
avoid vegan proteinated stuff. Proteinated can also mean insect floor in the food domain.

-increase fat, like bacon and fatty pork meat, as she needs a source of energy food. Even more as you have decreased sugar (and you do well). You can give her honey (really organic one, not the one labelled organic for commercial purpose) with lemon.

- avoiding the cat? I don't really agree. sensitivity means sensitivity not cause. If one avoids the toxins present in drinks and foods, the cat sensitivity is not a real problem. But a doctor will not say that because otherwise he'll have nothing to advice, he won't say that our food is denaturated (even organic food, let's not be credulous). Even modern essential oils that need tons of plants for just 2 or 3 little bottles, wich means that yu have some chance to have pesticids in your essential oils, unless you get it from a traditional herbalist.

- filter your tap water, don't brush teeth with fluor added paste

- avoid food rich in oaxalate as mari said

-avoid food from milk, because of casein (still present in cheese ) and lactose. Yoghourt ris rather a good food though there is still casein, but there is zero lactose and there are plenty of probiotics if tou buy it from a good source. be aware that the yogurt coming from milk industry has milk added once yogurt has been obtained in order to give a smooth taste. It's good to gustative tongue but not for our gut microbiome.
 
PS: I just see Arwenn's post: very good advice too.

It's important to avoid falling in some bad habits (NSAID, antibiotics, cat allergy, etc... ) The immun system reacts easily to other stuff.
I suspect some allergies beeing due to chronic side effcts of vax, and other stuff given to children
 
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You say that your daughter consumes very little dairy products. How much is very little in her case?
Morning: either a little bit of milk in a small bowl of cereals, or yogurt with granola.
Cheese a couple of times a week, more or less. (a slice in a sandwich, or a few cubes with crackers)
That's about it. And all dairy is organic. It wouldn't be a problem to cut all of it from her diet if needed. She's not fond of it anyway.

kale is high in oxalates
Oh no... really? I was warned by Keyhole that spinach was the ultimate worst in Oxalate and never juice/smoothie it. So I switched it for kale. I'm not sure what to do now because we need leafy Greens in our diet.
Thanks for those SOTT articles! I'm on it.

check for mold in the house
We sure do to some extent: we live on the first floor of a 6 plex in a part of town that "sinks". Our basement is 4 foot dirt covered by a plastic membrane topped with gravel. It's disgusting down there... The building is sinking; there are cracks in the walls everywhere, and each year I must remove a layer on the top of my bedroom door because it won't close properly anymore from the wall sinking down.

I used to find mold growing on stuff in the wardrobe when I first moved here. I made a rant at the landlord and he bought us a dehumidifier. My hygrometer is always around 60-70 in the spring/summer/fall unless I turn on the thing. Winter is our savior: heating dries everything.

So anyhow, there's no visible mold. If anything, it's spores traveling from the basement up between the cracks.

On a spiritual level, nose and allergy problems are symptoms of:
This is VERY interesting! It seems related indeed.
 
he allergy tests have shown that she is allergic to pet dander,
Actually, she was not declared allergic, she was declared "sensitive". The base market was much bigger than any of the tested substances, so none of the substances were deemed as an allergic reaction. But 3 of them were slightly red with a small bump, so it means she might react to those, but nowhere near a big allergic reaction.

But being exposed in the long run to these 3 substances might exacerbate her condition from what I am witnessing.

Is it safe to give NAC to a 12 years old? Should I give her daily?

Have you tried a non-drowsy antihistamine? Even just for temporary relief.
No, but I guess I should try and note the results.
We don't have echinacea but we do have elderberry. Is echinacea really worth it? I always thought it was a bit overrated, although I'm not sure why I came to think that.
 
Morning: either a little bit of milk in a small bowl of cereals, or yogurt with granola.
Cheese a couple of times a week, more or less. (a slice in a sandwich, or a few cubes with crackers)
That's about it. And all dairy is organic. It wouldn't be a problem to cut all of it from her diet if needed. She's not fond of it anyway.


Oh no... really? I was warned by Keyhole that spinach was the ultimate worst in Oxalate and never juice/smoothie it. So I switched it for kale. I'm not sure what to do now because we need leafy Greens in our diet.
Thanks for those SOTT articles! I'm on it.


We sure do to some extent: we live on the first floor of a 6 plex in a part of town that "sinks". Our basement is 4 foot dirt covered by a plastic membrane topped with gravel. It's disgusting down there... The building is sinking; there are cracks in the walls everywhere, and each year I must remove a layer on the top of my bedroom door because it won't close properly anymore from the wall sinking down.

I used to find mold growing on stuff in the wardrobe when I first moved here. I made a rant at the landlord and he bought us a dehumidifier. My hygrometer is always around 60-70 in the spring/summer/fall unless I turn on the thing. Winter is our savior: heating dries everything.

So anyhow, there's no visible mold. If anything, it's spores traveling from the basement up between the cracks.


This is VERY interesting! It seems related indeed.
Wow! That seems like a lot!, she is consuming dairy products almost daily!... go on, try eliminating them regardless of their quality along with some of the other advice you have been given here to see if it improves.

ps: @nature yes, I was glad over the years to have been partly saved from that.
 
Well, he's a family member, so we can't just get rid of him. Everyone loves him very much. But it's true that I've observed she only gets better in the summer, and the roller coaster starts again when we close the windows.
You see, my attempt is to help you and I do so from the knowledge of someone who has precisely that allergy or "sensitivity" to mites and animals, cats in particular.

When I was little I was allergic to almost everything, you could say that I was allergic to this world and what I still have in adulthood are mites and animals.

They are giving you very good advice and I am sure that you will achieve a better quality of life for your daughter.
 
For chronic rhinitis of unknown etiology I have repeatedly had amazing results in animals with traditional Chinese medicine - acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine. Not sure if you can find good TCM practitioner in your area.
I think children are like animals - there is no negative thinking.
Also Mari’s suggestion to check for mould in the house is very good idea.
 
Hi meadow_wind,

Your daughter's symptoms sound like an inflammatory reaction from food allergies. I'd suggest getting rid of ALL dairy and ALL grains and put her on an all meat diet with some simple carbs with dinner. No smoothies or anything else. I'd try dietary changes first before worrying about anything else. I was allergic to cats, dust mites and other things before I changed my diet and now I have two kitties, plenty of dust mites in my mattress and I have no problems.
 
Surgery: I don't recommend that. It's a normal and good thing tonsils and adenoids are large at that age (unless there are obstructive, which is not the case here. It's a sign that her immune response is working, white cells try to neutralize foreign elements. Removing them is an abusive surgery (unless there are really obstructive, ie with difficult breathing, wich is not the case here)
I agree, and in any case, it's not something that is pushed or recommended by any doctors in Québec either (I don't know about other provinces in Canada). Our health system is not for profit like in the US, so they avoid sending people for surgery unless necessary, and even then, there are long waiting lists.

Tylenol; it's acetaminophen!! search it on sott, there are some very bad side effects, somme not visible but insidious especially on liver an brain.
I'm aware, that is why I give it very sparingly, a low dose, and to be taken with food and lots of water. Usually never more than once a day.

When it becomes problematic, like in this case, I don't recommend antibiotics (I agree with the allergologist here), neither NSAID
Indeed, I think antibiotics might help in the moment, but would exacerbate the problem in the long run.
The NSAID is what has been prescribed by both, our family doctor and the allergy specialist. I'm not too keen on those, but both said "It's safe and effective" + "It can be taken daily in the long run without any side effects." 🤣
I don't know enough about these products to be able to make a clear opinion.

A nebulizer seems interesting. I'll look into this further.

avoid vegan proteinated stuff. Proteinated can also mean insect floor in the food domain.
I chose vegan proteins because otherwise it is derived from Milk which we can't tolerate. Our Proteins are Vega brand and there are no bugs in them. It's a mix of plants (pea, alfalfa, rice, hemp). I add proteins to our smoothies to compensate that we might not have had enough animal proteins during our meals.

I gave her twice hot water with freshly squeezed lemon + honey, and she drank only half.

filter your tap water
We don't drink from the tap. Only spring water.

Thanks for your in-depth answer, I'll look into it.
 
I agree with Arwenn about kale. It is even among the most high in oxalate.
Those very low are : Squash, Courgette, Pumpkin, Kohlrabi, Cucumber, Garlic , Mushrooms , Radish ,Turnip, Lettuce, Rocket, Mesclun, Mache, Fennel Avocado
Those being low; Cabbage , Cauliflower , Onion , Asparagus, Green bean, all sorts of PeasCherry tomato (normal tomato is middle)

Also good advice by ApotheosisMMC about milk. I saw a good portion of children around me having got rid of ear and nose problems (allergy, viral or with no cause found) after complet avoidance of milk. Same with cereal, sandwich and grains you give her.

Is it safe to give NAC to a 12 years old? Should I give her daily?

Yes. Doctors even give it at 2 yo children (Mucomyst powder, daily yes, 2 times per day if 2 to7 yo / 3 yimes above 7; according to Doctor's book (le Vidal)
 
Wow! That seems like a lot!, she is consuming dairy products almost daily!
Well, you know, Quebec has been populated by the French! And what do French people love cooking with? Ha! Ha! Dairy 😍

Oui Monsieur Madame, dairy everywhere! Cream to thicken soups and sauces, milk for bechamel, butter to caramelize those sweet onions, and don't forget the cheese... Cheese and bread, butter and bread... And then dessert which contains milk, cream, butter cream, and who knows what more!

Darn French people... Death by dairy 🤣

Well, actually most French people have the enzymes to digest dairy, but I have the chance to have native American DNA in my family tree, and they don't tolerate it so well. So, too bad for me. Down goes all this tasty formidable French cuisine. And I must endure watching my mom stuffing herself with all this nice cheese all by herself...

So all this to say that, after considering the French diet, I did consider that my daughter's dairy intake is small 😜
But I get the point: will cut all of it for a period of time.
 
ps: @nature yes, I was glad over the years to have been partly saved from that.
excellent! The fact that surgeon had to stop the procedure is a signal sent by your body, your young mind was not in position to say "no" to so respected parents and doctors. So, your body "spoke to them" ;-)

Tonsils enlarging is like a tentative to close the gate to the stomach thus the inside of the body: there is something in food it doesn't want to enter. Our body is intelligently designed. Allergies are a message too.
 
For chronic rhinitis of unknown etiology I have repeatedly had amazing results in animals with traditional Chinese medicine - acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine.
Do you know which type of herbs exactly? There is a nice Chinese herbalist lady my dad knows, and she's always very helpful when he's looking for natural remedies.

I'm in Montreal and we have a Chinatown 😉, so I'm sure there has to be at least one good TCM practitioner around.

I'd suggest getting rid of ALL dairy and ALL grains and put her on an all meat diet with some simple carbs with dinner. No smoothies or anything else. I'd try dietary changes first before worrying about anything else. I was allergic to cats, dust mites and other things before I changed my diet and now I have two kitties, plenty of dust mites in my mattress and I have no problems.
Wonderful! Will do that. I talk to her a lot about nutrition and diet. She'll understand.
I think I will have her do a food sensitivity test. They are quite expensive, but I'll manage something.
 
I think I will have her do a food sensitivity test. They are quite expensive, but I'll manage something.
Not necessarily. Tests are not so accurate, there are false positives and false negatives. Given that she is not fond of milk, just suppress it totally, and see how it goes. Also grains.
So, you speak french! ;-) If you're interested, I made a list af foods with their oxalate rate, after reading all Sally Norton's website and videos. I can send it to you if you want.
 

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