Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

[angelburst29]

Sometimes, you come across interesting articles in a strange way. I happen to be reading an article on food storage when I came across a link for "More Great real-world Survival Lessons from Ukraine" posted Wednesday, March 4, 2015 in a Survival blog. It describes first hand accounts, of going through "check-points" and what's confiscated or allowed, how best to handle "home searches" and discussions on certain brands of phone's and radio's and electrical supplies in an emergency. Most shy away from generators, due to the noise factor and the need to have certain supplies on hand, like rolled plastic and duct tape for windows (to better protect those inside from shrapnel hitting the ground outside.) One blogger stressed - not wearing cameo or anything that might resemble military attire, especially with forces from both sides of the conflict fighting in the area (Ukraine). Types of medical supplies being used to treat some of the wounded are listed.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2015/03/more-great-real-world-survival-lessons.html

OK, some more great real-world lessons from Ukraine and thoughts being translated from Russian speaking forums. I think some folks here will get an aneurysm when they read about big cities being better, people being stuck in the war zone "because of my farm" and big off-road BOB vehicles not being that great an idea. (off road vehicles are actually being confiscated for official use of either faction, expensive cars are being stolen at checkpoints)

The following quotes have been translated by Sygata from a Russian forum and he kindly let me use them here. I fixed a few typos and spelling errors here and there for clarity.

 

[Laura]

Dimitry Orlov says all the madness is deliberate:

http://www.sott.net/article/293446-The-US-push-for-war-is-about-creating-financial-collapse

Let's review. Afghanistan, after the longest military campaign in US history, is being handed back to the Taliban. Iraq no longer exists as a sovereign nation, but has fractured into three pieces, one of them controlled by radical Islamists. Egypt has been democratically reformed into a military dictatorship. Libya is a defunct state in the middle of a civil war. The Ukraine will soon be in a similar state; it has been reduced to pauper status in record time—less than a year. A recent government overthrow has caused Yemen to stop being US-friendly. Closer to home, things are going so well in the US-dominated Central American countries of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador that they have produced a flood of refugees, all trying to get into the US in the hopes of finding any sort of sanctuary.

Looking at this broad landscape of failure, there are two ways to interpret it. One is that the US officialdom is the most incompetent one imaginable, and can't ever get anything right. But another is that they do not succeed for a distinctly different reason: they don't succeed because results don't matter. You see, if failure were a problem, then there would be some sort of pressure coming from somewhere or other within the establishment, and that pressure to succeed might sporadically give rise to improved performance, leading to at least a few instances of success. But if in fact failure is no problem at all, and if instead there was some sort of pressure to fail, then we would see exactly what we do see.

...

There are many other explanations on offer as well, but none of them explain the fact that the goal of all this militarism seems to be to achieve failure.

Perhaps a simpler explanation would suffice? How about this one:

The US has surrendered its sovereignty to a clique of financial oligarchs. Having nobody at all to answer to, this American (and to some extent international) oligarchy has been ruining the financial condition of the country, running up staggering levels of debt, destroying savings and retirements, debasing the currency and so on. The inevitable end-game is that the Federal Reserve (along with the central banks of other "developed economies") will end up buying up all the sovereign debt issuance with money they print for that purpose, and in the end this inevitably leads to hyperinflation and national bankruptcy. A very special set of conditions has prevented these two events from taking place thus far, but that doesn't mean that they won't, because that's what always happens, sooner or later.

Now, let's suppose a financial oligarchy has seized control of the country, and, since it can't control its own appetites, is running it into the ground. Then it would make sense for it to have some sort of back-up plan for when the whole financial house of cards falls apart. Ideally, this plan would effectively put down any chance of revolt of the downtrodden masses, and allow the oligarchy to maintain security and hold onto its wealth. Peacetime is fine for as long as it can placate the populace with bread and circuses, but when a financial calamity causes the economy to crater and bread and circuses turn scarce, a handy fallback is war. ...

Any rationale for war will do, be it terrorists foreign and domestic, Big Bad Russia, or hallucinated space aliens. Military success is unimportant, because failure is even better than success for maintaining order because it makes it possible to force through various emergency security measures.

...
The surveillance infrastructure and the partially privatized prison-industrial complex are already in place for locking up the undesirables. A really huge failure would provide the best rationale for putting the economy on a war footing, imposing martial law, suppressing dissent, outlawing "extremist" political activity and so on.

... Outside the US, it will look like Americans blowing things up: countries, things, innocent bystanders, even themselves (because, you know, apparently that works too). From the outside looking into America's hall of one-way mirrors, it will look like a country gone mad; but then it already looks that way. And inside the hall of one-way mirrors it will look like valiant defenders of liberty battling implacable foes around the world. Most people will remain docile and just wave their little flags.

 

[Joe]

I posted a comment on that article on his blog, pointing out that chaos reigns not because it is planned but that is the predictable result when you put technically insane people in positions of power. That's the one thing people, even people who are not brainwashed, don't want to accept - that the planet is being run by people who rightfully belong in an insane asylum - because it means that no one is really "in charge", that there is no "plan" other than survival of the most ruthless, and no matter how bad things get, no matter how evil our rulers are, people HAVE to believe that there is a method to their madness. But what if there isn't, and madness and chaos is just the result of their nature, and them doing what they do.

 

[thorbiorn]

It was reported by someone (от Игоря Плотницкого) on Strelkov's VK page, posted on March 6th at 20:00 that the UAF have said, they have removed 29 artillery divisions from the cease fire zone, and that there are still 35 remaining (https://vk.com/wall-57424472_50004). 35 remaining is quite a lot considering what an artillery division consists of:[quote =Ukrainian Wikipedia][...]
Modern artillery battalion usually consists of 2-4 firing batteries and controls. In total, the division has about 150-650 people .; armed with 12-18 artillery systems of different caliber. [...][/quote]Apparently Google translates "Артилерійський дивізіон" with "artillery battalion". It is not clear to me, if the above number is for the whole front or only for Lugansk, as LPR is mentioned elsewhere in the message.

 

[thorbiorn]

Two articles in the American press that describes the hardship in Eastern Ukraine as a result of the Kiev policies:

Ukraine Blockade of Rebel Territory Fosters Resentment
KURAKHOVE, Ukraine — Mar 5, 2015, 12:08 PM ET
By NATALIYA VASILYEVA Associated Press

Another is from the middle of February and was originally posted in the Financial Times and reposted on Russia Insider:

Financial Times Finally Prints the Unvarnished Truth: Kiev Is the Violent Aggressor in East Ukraine
Even those in Donetsk who originally supported Kiev have come to realize that Ukraine is waging a war against its own people [...]

The original link is http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e53188e8-b392-11e4-9449-00144feab7de.html but I couldn't access it without signing up for some service. The origianl title was "School lessons and shelling forge new identity in east Ukraine " and was posted on February 13, 2015.

 

[Nević Nenad]

It was reported by someone (от Игоря Плотницкого) on Strelkov's VK page, posted on March 6th at 20:00 that the UAF have said, they have removed 29 artillery divisions from the cease fire zone, and that there are still 35 remaining (https://vk.com/wall-57424472_50004). 35 remaining is quite a lot considering what an artillery division consists of:[quote =Ukrainian Wikipedia][...]
Modern artillery battalion usually consists of 2-4 firing batteries and controls. In total, the division has about 150-650 people .; armed with 12-18 artillery systems of different caliber. Apparently Google translates "Артилерійський дивізіон" with "artillery battalion". It is not clear to me, if the above number is for the whole front or only for Lugansk, as LPR is mentioned elsewhere in the message.

If this could be of any help, 'дивізіон' (or any other written version in other Slavic languages, for example 'divizion' in Serbian) is not the same as 'division' in English. Division in Slavic languages is 'divizija', and 'дивізіон' corresponds to the battalion, or even company. 'Divizija' (division in English) would be in the ranks with brigade or even army, and 'дивізіон' is smaller; in the ranks with battalion or the company.

 

[Seaniebawn]

I posted a comment on that article on his blog, pointing out that chaos reigns not because it is planned but that is the predictable result when you put technically insane people in positions of power. That's the one thing people, even people who are not brainwashed, don't want to accept - that the planet is being run by people who rightfully belong in an insane asylum - because it means that no one is really "in charge", that there is no "plan" other than survival of the most ruthless, and no matter how bad things get, no matter how evil our rulers are, people HAVE to believe that there is a method to their madness. But what if there isn't, and madness and chaos is just the result of their nature, and them doing what they do.

That's exactly it the world is rudderless.

 

[griffin]

It was reported by someone (от Игоря Плотницкого) on Strelkov's VK page, posted on March 6th at 20:00 that the UAF have said, they have removed 29 artillery divisions from the cease fire zone, and that there are still 35 remaining (https://vk.com/wall-57424472_50004). 35 remaining is quite a lot considering what an artillery division consists of:[quote =Ukrainian Wikipedia][...]
Modern artillery battalion usually consists of 2-4 firing batteries and controls. In total, the division has about 150-650 people .; armed with 12-18 artillery systems of different caliber. Apparently Google translates "Артилерійський дивізіон" with "artillery battalion". It is not clear to me, if the above number is for the whole front or only for Lugansk, as LPR is mentioned elsewhere in the message.

If this could be of any help, 'дивізіон' (or any other written version in other Slavic languages, for example 'divizion' in Serbian) is not the same as 'division' in English. Division in Slavic languages is 'divizija', and 'дивізіон' corresponds to the battalion, or even company. 'Divizija' (division in English) would be in the ranks with brigade or even army, and 'дивізіон' is smaller; in the ranks with battalion or the company.

Colonel Cassad posted this report yesterday regarding the Kiev junta's attempts to deceive the NAF and OSCE observers: http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/134264.html .

 

[angelburst29]

Two reports, one by TASS News agency and another by the New York Times - of two suspects detained in the Nemtsov murder.

Head of FSB: two persons suspected of murdering Boris Nemtsov are detained
http://tass.ru/en/russia/781633

MOSCOW, 7 March. /TASS/. Two persons suspected of murdering politician Boris Nemtsov were detained on Saturday, head of the Russian Security Service (FSB) Alexander Bortnikov told reporters.

"As a result of the work done, we have detained today two people suspected of committing this crime - those are Anzor Gubashev and Zaur Dadayev," he said. "We have reported it to the president."

We continue necessary operative and investigative work," he said.

The official said "at the order of President Vladimir Putin, FSB, the Interior Ministry and the Investigative Committee organised a joint group for investigation into this murder of Boris Nemtsov."

Nemtsov, a co-leader of the RPR-Parnas party, was gunned down on a bridge in central Moscow at a blank-point range several hundred meters away from the Kremlin minutes before the midnight of Friday, February 27. The authorities have opened a criminal case over "murder" and "illegal circulation of firearms." The investigators are pursuing several lines of inquiry, including a contract killing. On March 3, Nemtsov was buried at Moscow’s Troyekurovo cemetery.


2 Suspects Are Detained in Killing of Kremlin Critic
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/08/world/europe/boris-nemtsov-murder-two-suspects-detained-russia.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region%C2%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=2

MOSCOW — Two suspects have been detained in the killing of the opposition leader Boris Y. Nemtsov, the head of Russia’s internal law enforcement agency announced on Saturday.

Alexander Bortnikov, the director of the Federal Security Service, known as the F.S.B., named the two suspects as Anzor Kubashev and Zaur Dadayev and said the men were residents of the North Caucasus, state-run television reported.

But an unidentified source told the Interfax news agency that the police had been able to trace the men both through cellphone activity around the location of the killing and from DNA testing of evidence found in the suspected getaway car. The Interfax report said although the two men were the suspects in carrying out the killing, the people who organized it have yet to be identified.

The two men have yet to be arraigned, which may happen as early as Sunday, according to Russian press reports.

 

[Jtucker]

Not sure how accurate this source is, but apparently Yatsenyuk has been granted Canadian citizenship.

http://ukrainereferendum.blogspot.ca/2015/03/yatsenyuk-received-canadian-citizenship.html

Possibly the Nemtsov assassination set off warning bells to those that were paid so much money to deliver Eastern Ukraine and miserably failed, that their day are numbered. Possibly Yats needed to find a place where ropes aren't hung from lamp posts with his neck in them.

Ottawa will be perfect, he'll find a cadre of Nazi sympathizers in Conservative Party of Canada....

 

[Dylan]

Wow! Our government's wisdom shows no limits!

 

[Altair]

Not sure how accurate this source is, but apparently Yatsenyuk has been granted Canadian citizenship.

http://ukrainereferendum.blogspot.ca/2015/03/yatsenyuk-received-canadian-citizenship.html

Possibly the Nemtsov assassination set off warning bells to those that were paid so much money to deliver Eastern Ukraine and miserably failed, that their day are numbered. Possibly Yats needed to find a place where ropes aren't hung from lamp posts with his neck in them.

Ottawa will be perfect, he'll find a cadre of Nazi sympathizers in Conservative Party of Canada....

Yeah, it's getting hotter for him. Interesting that Kalomojsky has Ukranian, Swiss and Israeli pass and 306 deputies out of 450 in Ukrainian parlament have either Israeli pass or the right to get one, though the Ukrainian law doesn't allow double citizenship. Apparently the law doesn't apply to these "people's" representatives.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Not sure how accurate this source is, but apparently Yatsenyuk has been granted Canadian citizenship.

http://ukrainereferendum.blogspot.ca/2015/03/yatsenyuk-received-canadian-citizenship.html

Possibly the Nemtsov assassination set off warning bells to those that were paid so much money to deliver Eastern Ukraine and miserably failed, that their day are numbered. Possibly Yats needed to find a place where ropes aren't hung from lamp posts with his neck in them.

Ottawa will be perfect, he'll find a cadre of Nazi sympathizers in Conservative Party of Canada....

Yeah, it's getting hotter for him. Interesting that Kalomojsky has Ukranian, Swiss and Israeli pass and 306 deputies out of 450 in Ukrainian parlament have either Israeli pass or the right to get one, though the Ukrainian law doesn't allow double citizenship. Apparently the law doesn't apply to these "people's" representatives.

Yeah, I knew of Kolomoisky's Ukrainian, Swiss, and Israeli citizenship/residence, but recently I also read a claim that he also has citizenship in Cyprus. Really keeping his options open as to where to escape to when the need arises. As far as how high a number of dual citizens of Israel any country's parliament and other government institutions have, it's usually quite a good correlation of how screwed up the country's politics are, and how doubtful the country's future looks....

 

[casper]

An article that appeared in the Croatian newspaper
quote:



Russian Judge: Zaur Dadajev confessed to the murder Nemcova
Zaur Dadajev, one of the two suspected of involvement in the liquidation of the Russian opposition leader Boris Njmcova, in late February admitted murder
Sunday, 08th 3rd 2015 at 16:48, last modified 34 minutes ago By Vesna Gubo




Zaur Dadajev, one of two men suspected of involvement in the liquidation of the Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov, in late February confessed to the murder, transmitted on Sunday Russian news agencies referring to the Moscow judge Natalia Mušnikovo.

Vil said it was Dadajev admitted involvement in the murder, and he ordered custody until April 28, reports Reuters.

- In addition to its recognition, participation in the commission of crimes Dadaj confirmed the evidence collected during the investigation of that crime, said Judge.

Dudayev was a member policijiskog battalion "Sever", part of the forces of the interior ministry in Chechnya. With him, the Moscow authorities have previously accused and Anzor Gubas for her performance in the murder.

Nemtsov, a former deputy Russian prime minister was killed in the center of Moscow on February 27 evening while with the Ukrainian model walked across the bridge not far from the Kremlin.

 

[loreta]

Sometimes, you come across interesting articles in a strange way. I happen to be reading an article on food storage when I came across a link for "More Great real-world Survival Lessons from Ukraine" posted Wednesday, March 4, 2015 in a Survival blog. It describes first hand accounts, of going through "check-points" and what's confiscated or allowed, how best to handle "home searches" and discussions on certain brands of phone's and radio's and electrical supplies in an emergency. Most shy away from generators, due to the noise factor and the need to have certain supplies on hand, like rolled plastic and duct tape for windows (to better protect those inside from shrapnel hitting the ground outside.) One blogger stressed - not wearing cameo or anything that might resemble military attire, especially with forces from both sides of the conflict fighting in the area (Ukraine). Types of medical supplies being used to treat some of the wounded are listed.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2015/03/more-great-real-world-survival-lessons.html

OK, some more great real-world lessons from Ukraine and thoughts being translated from Russian speaking forums. I think some folks here will get an aneurysm when they read about big cities being better, people being stuck in the war zone "because of my farm" and big off-road BOB vehicles not being that great an idea. (off road vehicles are actually being confiscated for official use of either faction, expensive cars are being stolen at checkpoints)

The following quotes have been translated by Sygata from a Russian forum and he kindly let me use them here. I fixed a few typos and spelling errors here and there for clarity.

Thank you very much Angelburst29 for this article. There is so much vital information and thinking about the survivalist perspective. And more than that, it gives you an idea how it is life in the day by day over there, the difficulties, the problems, etc. Really, these people are admirable. All people that live in a situation of war are admirable, under my point of vue.

Thank you again.