angelburst,
По большому счету всякий такой спор похож на спор двух блох о том кому из них принадлежит собака на которой они сидят.
Однако, если позволите, я тоже приведу немного аргументов. Сначала логические, потом исторические.
Итак, Вы приводите статью некоего доктора философии с турецким или албанским именем из Бостона, который утверждает первенство албанцев на данной территории, туманно начиная с неких иллирийцев.
Вопрос первый: что еще мог этот человек написать? Он, скорее всего и стал "доктором" потому что цветисто умеет излагать нужный бред. Дополнительным указанием на это является наличие в статье цитат Киссинджера, известного патриарха американской политики русофобии. Этот прием не уникален, а только часть технологии. Например сейчас в той же Украине детей учат по учебникам, где на полном серьезе утверждается, что некие древние "укры" (естественно предки современных украинцев) выкопали Черное море и участвовали в строительстве египетских пирамид. Люди которые все это сочинили тоже наверняка теперь "доктора" и философии и истории, а оплачивается вся эта деятельность из "образовательных" фондов другого записного русофоба Сороса.
Вопрос второй: почему начало с иллирийцев? Давайте тогда уж поднимемся до этрусской культуры. Вы что нибудь о ней слышали?
В общем с "комиксом", как его назвал Avala, спорить глупо.
Далее, как аргумент легитимности Вы пишете, что Косово признано 109 странами.
Здесь список этих стран.
http://www.geopolitics.ru/2014/02/nepriznannye-gosudarstva-kosovo/
Не хочу подвергать сомнению международный авторитет Чад, Папуа — Новая Гвинея, Бурунди, Восточный Тимор, Сент-Китс и Невис, Фиджи, Доминика и прочих признавших, но что-то среди них не наблюдается ни Китая, ни Индии, ни Бразилии и др. (всего стран в ООН 193). Отсюда следует вывод, что некоторое количество стран, имеющих возможность проводить независимую от Запада в целом и от США в частности, политику обосновано усомнились в этой самой легитимности этого образования как суверенного государства.
Все это части шаблонной технологии проводимой США и их союзниками, которая просматривается во многих местах. Афганистан - Аль-Каеда, Египет - Братья мусульмане, Ирак, Ливия, Сирия - ИГИЛ, Джебхат-Ан-Нусра, Косово - АОК, Украина - Правый сектор, Азов, Айдар и пр. Опять же глядя на крупную военную базу в Косово Кэмп-Бондстил, которая обозначается как база сил KFOR, но находится под американским командованием и фактически является американской базой, можно представить что было бы в Севастополе в случае сохранения в Крыму власти ныне правящей в Украине проамериканской хунты.
В заключении Вопроса о Косово я приведу Вам статью, где автор проработав некоторое количество материала, суммирует факты опровергающие заявления Вашего доктора философии. Кстати, с указанием на источники откуда эти факты взяты, что в принципе отсутствует в приведенной Вами статье.
http://otello.gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1274676762.php
Теперь я Вам возвращаю Вашу фразу
Repeat a lie - enough times - and you can rewrite history?
Это все что касается Косово, хотя можно еще поговорить о способах действий тех сил (включая армию освобождения Косово), которые с поддержкой американских властей проводят их политику на определенных территориях. Однако когда я писал-
Rhetorical question. The answer depends on who is going to answer it. Kosovo participates in the Olympics and the UN in session, but why is there not visible neither South Ossetia nor Abkhazia or the Transnistrian Republic. I'm not talking about completely new DPR and LPR.
я хотел сделать акцент не на Косово, а на двойных стандартах в оценке одних и тех же процессов. Это настолько очевидно, что даже Путин, при всей своей дипломатичности, в последних своих речах открытым текстом говорит, что одним можно все, а другим нет.
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angelburst,
By and large, just such a dispute similar to the dispute between the two fleas on one of them owns the dog on which they sit.
However, if I may, I also give some arguments. First logical, then historical.
So, You bring an article of a doctor of philosophy with a Turkish or Albanian name placed in Boston, who claims the superiority of the Albanians in the area, is uncertain since some of the Illyrians.
The first question: what else could this man write? He probably became a "doctor" because he can pretty good Express the desired nonsense. An additional indication of this is the presence in the article quotes of Kissinger, the famous Patriarch of the American policy of Russophobia. This technique is not unique, but only part of technology. For example now in Ukraine, children are taught according to the textbooks, which earnestly argues that some ancient "ukry" (of course the ancestors of modern Ukrainians) dug the Black sea and participated in the construction of the Egyptian pyramids. The authors who wrote that nonsence, too, are probably now "the doctor", and of philosophy and history. And paid all this activity from educational funds of other inveterate Russophobe Soros.
The second question: why start with the Illyrians? Then let's really rise to the Etruscan culture. You ever heard of it?
In common with "comics" as it is called by Avala, silly to argue.
Further, as the argument of legitimacy You write that Kosovo is recognized by 109 countries.
Here is a list of these countries.
http://www.geopolitics.ru/2014/02/nepriznannye-gosudarstva-kosovo/
Don't want to question the international authority Chad, Papua New Guinea, Burundi, East Timor, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Fiji, Dominica, and others which have recognized, but something among them is not observed neither China, nor India, nor Brazil, etc. (all countries in the UN 193). The conclusion that a number of countries with the opportunity to pursue an independent from the West in General and USA in particular, the policy is justified doubt of the legitimacy of that entity as a sovereign state.
That all are parts of template technology pursued by the U.S. and its allies, which can be seen in many places. Afghanistan - al Qaeda, Egypt - Muslim brotherhood, Iraq, Libya, Syria - the ISIS, jabhat al-Nusra, Kosovo - the KLA, Ukraine - Right sector, Azov, Aidar, etc. Again looking at the large military base in Kosovo, camp Bondsteel, which is denoted as the base of KFOR, but is under American command and is actually an American base, you can imagine what it would be in Sevastopol, in the case of preservation in the Crimea the authorities now ruling in Ukraine, the Pro-American junta.
In conclusion, the issue of Kosovo I will give You an article where the author worked for a number of material, sums up the facts to refute the statements of Your doctor of philosophy. By the way, with indication of the sources from which these facts are taken that, in principle, is missing in the above by You article.
HOW THE ALBANIANS BECAME THE ETHNIC MAJORITY IN KOSOVO.
First of all, it should be noted that to call the southern province of Yugoslavia "Kosovo" is wrong; so it is called the Albanian separatists. Kosovo is the only territory of Kosovo Field, and the rest of the land is called Metohija, which translated into Russian with Serbian sounds like "Church estate". Here is the official name of Kosovo and Metohija, or, for short - COSM. For the first time it is mentioned in the XII century, as the territory populated by Serbs, but under Byzantine rule. All the international acts signed since its independence, Serbia (1878), Kosovo and Metohija remained under its sovereignty. Moreover, the cosmetics is the Old Serbia, the cradle of Serbian national culture, the location of the main Orthodox shrines of the country. In the territory there were about 1800 monasteries and temples, 200 of which are either ancient XIV century, or belong to the time of the proclamation of the Serbian Patriarchate (1346). This is the largest concentration of cultural and historical monuments in Europe.
The Albanian nationalists claim that their nation came into cosmetology even a thousand years before the Serbs. Supposedly Herodotus in his "Greco-Persian wars mentions that it is they, not the Greeks, inhabited Illyria. But reliable historical data on this. If the Albanians actually lived on the lands of the Byzantine Empire, how to explain that to the Turkish invasion, 97% of them professed Catholicism? Albanians who converted to Islam, came Old in Serbia only with the Ottoman conquerors. However, it is known that in the battle of Kosovo field, one of the militias Lazarus was Albanian, so not all Albanians were in the service of the Turks. Some are now 61% of Albanians are Christians (33% Orthodox, 28% Roman Catholic and 39% were Muslims.
Is necessary to emphasize the fact that many lands and villages throughout Metohija, and a large part of Kosovo was given to the Serbian rulers as methow great monasteries: Hilandar, Studenica, Bansko, Gracanica, mother of God Levitskii, Dečani, Holy Archangels, as evidenced by surviving letters, having, in addition to state law, a special historical significance for Kosovo and Metohija. They are further evidence of how the people lived and how small the percentage of non-Serb population.
Contained in these letters, people's names and place names, indicate that the agricultural population of Kosovo and Metohija was completely Serbian. Only in the charters of the fourteenth century, mentions Vlachs and Arbanasi (Albanians), even in very small quantities, and from this it clearly follows that no conflict between Serbs and Albanians in medieval Serbia was not (this issue will appear only after the Islamization of Albanians in the XVII century), and had the place of their living together, peaceful coexistence and cooperation.
Under the blows of the Ottoman Empire the Serbs had to retreat farther North. On the vacant after the departure of a significant part of Serbian territory from the late seventeenth century began the gradual migration of Albanians. The Albanians in General much better integrated in the socio-political system of the Ottoman Empire. To the eighteenth century about half of the Albanians adopted Islam, the highlanders were actively engaged in military service in the Turkish army, including the corps of Janissaries, the Albanians have also infiltrated the highest authorities of the Empire, up to the post of Grand vizier. Actually in Albania the Central government's power was minimal, and the management and land ownership were mainly in the hands of local feudal lords. Moreover, who settled in this region, the Turks quickly assimilated Albanians. The second half of the XVII century, the beginning of the rapid rise of the Albanian economy, especially trade and urban crafts. These factors contributed to the colonization of the Albanian population in neighbouring territories, deserted as a result of wars and emigration.
Change in the ethnic composition of Kosovo's population has led to the emergence of the Serbo-Albanian conflict. In the eighteenth century as a result of the Hellenization of the Orthodox Church in the Ottoman Empire, it ceased to serve as a center of liberation movement of the Serbs. In 1766 the Patriarchate of Peć was abolished. The middle of the XVIII stopped the expansion of the Habsburgs into the Balkans. All this contributed to the decline of the national movement and its movement in the Northern Serbia, in the Belgrade pashaluk, which from the beginning of the XIX century became the core of the liberation of Serbia. In Kosovo continued growth of the share of the Albanian population, especially in the Western part of the region. However, in 1838 an Austrian researcher Josef müller noted the predominantly Slavic character of the population Metohija, and especially noticeable was Serbian dominance in the cities.
During the struggle for independence, the Serbs suffered a terrible genocide by the Turks. But while getting the independence at the Congress of Berlin, no one had any doubt that cosmetics is a Serbian land, historically and ethnic composition, although one part of it was given to Montenegro and the other part still remained under Turkish rule. After crushing the power of the Ottoman Empire, the Albanians considered themselves deprived, too, because wanted to have their own state. They got it only in 1913, when Serbia, along with Romania and Greece finally ousted Turkey from the Balkans. The independence they "gave" Austria-Hungary, who wanted to weaken the fledgling Serbia, while in Northern Albania, the Serbs prevailed.
After the First world war, the Albanians were persecuted by the Serbian authorities, aimed at changing the proportions of Albanian and Serbian population in Kosovo. Only in 1930 about 2 000 families expelled from their lands Kosovars crossed into Albania. Albanians were evicted or forced out of Kosovo, as the Muslim population, which by agreement with Turkey had to leave the Balkans. From 1918 to 1944 in Turkey deported about 240 thousand Albanians of the Muhajirs who tried to save their Islamic identity (now the number of immigrants from Kosovo in Turkey exceeds their number in Kosovo). In their place were settled about 11 thousand Serbian and Montenegrin families, which were given to 50 hectares of land in total, they took more than 120 thousand hectares), free transfer to the place of settlement, the right of use of public forests and pastures, exemption for three years from taxes. Accordingly, the Serb population of Kosovo increased to 25-30%.
During the Second world war, most of Kosovo was incorporated into the Italian protectorate of Albania. During the Italian occupation, the Albanian armed forces launched a struggle for the expulsion of Serbs from the territory of the region. According to Serbian estimates, from 10 to 40 thousand were killed, from 70 to 100 thousand people were forced to leave Kosovo. In 1944, largely due to the efforts of Kosovo guerrillas, the territory was liberated and again became part of Yugoslavia. According to the Constitution of the Federal people's Republic of Yugoslavia in 1946 was formed the Autonomous province of Kosovo and Metohija composed of the Socialist Republic of Serbia.
Tito, hoping for the accession of Yugoslavia Albania, encouraged the resettlement of Kosovo Albanians and, on the contrary, limited the possibilities for the return of the Serbian population. Although the level of economic development of Kosovo inferior to other regions of Yugoslavia, the standard of living here was considerably higher than in the neighboring Albania, which contributed to the influx of refugees from there. During the reign of Hoxha in Albania by his regime in Kosovo and Metohija escaped 400,000 people. Tito took them, hoping for the accession of Albania. The percentage of Serbs from 61 to 81 years in Kosovo decreased from 18.4 to 13.2% (only between 71st and 81st edge left 50 thousand Serbs - economic situation of the district has encouraged Serbs to migrate to the center). The number of Albanians in Kosovo increased from 1948 to 1981 in 2 times – from 733 thousand to 1.6 million, and by 1991 accounted for almost 90% of the population of the region. Few people know that in Kosovo have been living and 72 thousand Muslims (in this case the name of nationality), 21 thousand Turks, 97 thousand Gypsies.
I now return You to Your phrase
Repeat a lie - enough times - and you can rewrite history?
It's all with regard to Kosovo, although it is possible to talk about methods of action of those forces (including the Kosovo liberation army), who with the support of the American authorities conduct their policies in certain areas. However, when I wrote-
Rhetorical question. The answer depends on who is going to answer it. Kosovo participates in the Olympics and the UN in session, but why is there not visible neither South Ossetia nor Abkhazia or the Transnistrian Republic. I'm not talking about completely new DPR and LPR.
I wanted to focus not on Kosovo, and double standards in the evaluation of the same processes. It is so obvious that even Putin, for all his diplomacy, in his recent speeches openly said that one can do everything, while others do not.
