Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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Laura said:
It seems to me that Brennan's task was to push Ukraine to an action that would force Russia's hand.

I hear that Russia is calling for an emergency meeting of the UN security council because Ukraine has launched its army. Apparently, there are false-flag set-ups involved that are supposed to make Russia look guilty for "first blood", so it's pretty typical for CIA management.

There was an economic apocalypse for the US being set in motion and the US knew it. So they are using Ukraine as the patsy and I think they think that Putin will back down.

With the C's "April drop dead date" and the US "5D City on a Hill" in the back of my mind, I just don't have a good feeling about this.

Right now CIA gets suspected to have launched the brutal raid in the Ukraine. What is interesting it was reported on a German main stream media site, where I wondered why they are reporting it and now the article is gone... At least I cannot find it anymore.
 
Gawan said:
Laura said:
It seems to me that Brennan's task was to push Ukraine to an action that would force Russia's hand.

I hear that Russia is calling for an emergency meeting of the UN security council because Ukraine has launched its army. Apparently, there are false-flag set-ups involved that are supposed to make Russia look guilty for "first blood", so it's pretty typical for CIA management.

There was an economic apocalypse for the US being set in motion and the US knew it. So they are using Ukraine as the patsy and I think they think that Putin will back down.

With the C's "April drop dead date" and the US "5D City on a Hill" in the back of my mind, I just don't have a good feeling about this.

Right now CIA gets suspected to have launched the brutal raid in the Ukraine. What is interesting it was reported on a German main stream media site, where I wondered why they are reporting it and now the article is gone... At least I cannot find it anymore.

What was the name of the article? Do you remember? And where was it published?

Maybe we can find a way to recover and/or save it?
 
Laura said:
It seems to me that Brennan's task was to push Ukraine to an action that would force Russia's hand.

I hear that Russia is calling for an emergency meeting of the UN security council because Ukraine has launched its army. Apparently, there are false-flag set-ups involved that are supposed to make Russia look guilty for "first blood", so it's pretty typical for CIA management.

There was an economic apocalypse for the US being set in motion and the US knew it. So they are using Ukraine as the patsy and I think they think that Putin will back down.

With the C's "April drop dead date" and the US "5D City on a Hill" in the back of my mind, I just don't have a good feeling about this.
This is really distressing. But perhaps it is necessary for all the people in this planet wake up to the problem of psychopathy in the macro level. So then people could change their perception of their environment taking into account these invaluable information, impossible to deny.
 
Moscow slams Kiev’s military op order as ‘criminal ...
_http://rt.com/news/ukraine-russia-operation-criminal-288/

Published time: April 13, 2014
Russia has called on the UNSC and OSCE to urgently consider the crisis in Ukraine, saying that the announcement made by the Kiev authorities on Sunday to mobilize military forces to put down protests in the south-east of the country is a ‘criminal order.’

Events in south-eastern Ukraine have taken a very dangerous turn, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Kiev authorities, who self-proclaimed themselves as a result of a coup, have embarked on the violent military suppression of the protests,” the ministry said adding that the rallies, which have gripped the Donbas region were prompted by Kiev’s disregard of the legitimate interests the people.

Moscow slammed Sunday’s order, issued by the coup-imposed acting President Aleksandr Turchinov approving a full-scale security operation in the country’s eastern regions, as “criminal”.

“Blood has already been spilled as the result of such actions in the South East.”

The ministry’s statement elaborated that Russia strongly condemns attempts to use brutal force against protesters and activists by involving militants from the far-right Right Sector group or other illegal armed forces.

The West should bring its allies in Ukraine's government under control, Moscow said stressing “it depends on the West now to stop the civil war in Ukraine”.

“We demand the Maidan henchmen, who overthrew the legitimate president, to immediately stop the war against their own people, to fulfill all the obligations under the Agreement of 21 February,” the Foreign Ministry said.

“The western sponsors of the Maidan government, especially those who witnessed the Agreement [of 21 February] and are backed by the US, have to curb their out of control wards, they have to make them break away from the neo-Nazis and other extremists…”

The Kiev authorities have to start a national dialogue with an equal participation of all regions to make urgent and radical constitutional reforms, the ministry said.

Russia will put an urgent discussion of the situation in eastern Ukraine on the agenda of the United Nations Security Council and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

Massive protests have gripped the south-eastern territory of Ukraine with activists seizing government buildings in Donetsk, Lugansk, Slavyansk, Mariupol, Kramatorsk and the towns of Druzhkovka, Krasny Liman, Khartsyzk and Ilovaisk. Residents of other cities have been rallying for the federalization of Ukraine.

On Sunday the Kiev government launched a crackdown operation in Slavyansk. Following the event, Ukraine’s Security Council has approved a full-scale security operation in the country’s eastern regions. The coup-imposed President Aleksandr Turchinov set a deadline until Monday morning for the pro-independence supporters in eastern Ukraine to leave the government buildings they have occupied or the military will use force.


Kiev to launch ‘full-scale’ military op as massive protests grip Eastern Ukraine
_http://rt.com/news/donetsk-kharkov-protest-ukraine-280/

Published time: April 13, 2014
Thousands of pro-autonomy demonstrators rallied across eastern Ukraine, with the coup-imposed president in Kiev threatening to use military against the activists if they don’t clear the seized government buildings by Monday morning.

Over 10,000 people have taken part in protests in different town and villages of the Donetsk Region in Ukraine, the local administration said.

In the region’s capital, Donetsk, the local government headquarters still remain under the anti-Maidan activists’ control. Sunday, one of the leaders of the recently-declared Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin, once again stressed the urgent need “to send activists, who’ll prepare a referendum, to different towns of the Donetsk region” as he spoke at a rally in city’s center.

The recruitment of volunteers, eager to travel to Slavyansk and other towns in eastern Ukraine where “an anti-terrorist operation” against the protestors by the Ukrainian security forces is underway, also took place during the rally. Over 100 people volunteered by mid-day Sunday, with buses already prepared to take them to their destinations.

Kharkov tensions
Meanwhile, dozens asked for medical assistance in Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkov, after the pro-federalization demonstrators clashed with the Maidan activists. The rallies of two antagonistic sides, which saw a joint turnout of around 3,000, were staged in the city simultaneously, with the police being unable to prevent provocations.

Kiev issues new ultimatum
In the capital, Ukraine’s Security Council convened for an urgent session following the events in Slavyansk. A decision was taken to launch “a large scale” operation, “with the involvement of the military,” Ukraine’s coup-imposed president, Aleksandr Turchinov, said in a televised address.

Later he said that the operation in the east will involve a non-regular regiment consisting of 350 reservists.

According to Turchinov, the anti-Maidan activists must lay down their arms and abandon the administrative offices they have occupied till 9 am Monday morning if they want to avoid prosecution.

Turchinov also said the new authorities in Kiev are ready to consider giving more powers to the region. Earlier parliament-appointed Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk pledged to push through a law allowing regional referendums in the country.

The order to use military against the pro-federalization protesters in eastern Ukraine by coup-imposed president, Aleksandr Turchinov, is “criminal” in its nature, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Ukraine turmoil
Clashes, Military, Protest, Rally, Terrorism, Ukraine Thousands of pro-autonomy demonstrators rallied across eastern Ukraine, with the coup-imposed president in Kiev threatening to use military against the activists if they don’t clear the seized government buildings by Monday morning.

Over 10,000 people have taken part in protests in different town and villages of the Donetsk Region in Ukraine, the local administration said.

In the region’s capital, Donetsk, the local government headquarters still remain under the anti-Maidan activists’ control. Sunday, one of the leaders of the recently-declared Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin, once again stressed the urgent need “to send activists, who’ll prepare a referendum, to different towns of the Donetsk region” as he spoke at a rally in city’s center.

The recruitment of volunteers, eager to travel to Slavyansk and other towns in eastern Ukraine where “an anti-terrorist operation” against the protestors by the Ukrainian security forces is underway, also took place during the rally. Over 100 people volunteered by mid-day Sunday, with buses already prepared to take them to their destinations.


Pro-Russian activists hold umbrellas under the rain and shout slogans during a rally near a barricade outside the regional government building in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on April 13, 2014 (AFP Photo / Alexander Khudoteply)

Hundreds also gathered for rallies in support of federalization in Druzhovka, Debaltsevo and other Donbas towns.

According to Ukrainian media, the city authorities in Zhdanovsk and Kirovsk have expressed readiness to start talks on the recognition of the legitimacy of the Donetsk People’s Republic.

A rally in Mariupol in south-east of the country resulted in the seizure of city council by the pro-Russian protesters, ITAR-TASS news agency reports. Over 1,000 demonstrators, who chanted “Slavyansk, we’re with you!” and “Referendum,” have forced the police, guarding the building, to retreat.

Some 1,500-2,000 people are out in the square in front of the office Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) in Lugansk, which is held by the protestors for several days now. According to Rossiya 24 channel, the majority of the city’s police have switch to the side of the demonstrators, supporting their push for federalization.

Kharkov tensions
Meanwhile, dozens asked for medical assistance in Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkov, after the pro-federalization demonstrators clashed with the Maidan activists. The rallies of two antagonistic sides, which saw a joint turnout of around 3,000, were staged in the city simultaneously, with the police being unable to prevent provocations.

A pro-Russian activist wearing a Guy Fawkes mask and holding a bat guards a barricade outside the regional government building in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on April 13, 2014 (AFP Photo / Alexander Khudoteply)

“50 people required medical aid. Around 10 of them were taken to city hospitals. The doctors are speaking of minor or moderate injuries. Among the wounded there’s one policeman,” the local law enforcement authorities said.

Baseball bats, sticks, stones and stun grenades were used by both sides during the scuffle, Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper reports.

In Zaporozhye, the police had to use tear gas to break up clashes between the pro-federalization and Maidan activists, UNIAN news agency reports.

Kiev issues new ultimatum
In the capital, Ukraine’s Security Council convened for an urgent session following the events in Slavyansk. A decision was taken to launch “a large scale” operation, “with the involvement of the military,” Ukraine’s coup-imposed president, Aleksandr Turchinov, said in a televised address.

Later he said that the operation in the east will involve a non-regular regiment consisting of 350 reservists.

According to Turchinov, the anti-Maidan activists must lay down their arms and abandon the administrative offices they have occupied till 9 am Monday morning if they want to avoid prosecution.

Turchinov also said the new authorities in Kiev are ready to consider giving more powers to the region. Earlier parliament-appointed Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk pledged to push through a law allowing regional referendums in the country.

The order to use military against the pro-federalization protesters in eastern Ukraine by coup-imposed president, Aleksandr Turchinov, is “criminal” in its nature, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Interim Interior Minister, Arsen Avakov, has announced the creation of special Interior ministry units based on civilian components all across Ukraine in order to tackle separatist moods.

Kiev is ready to attract 12,000 people into the new force, which will receive the necessary arms, equipment and supervision, the minister wrote on his Facebook page.

The order to put together a “stabilizing” unit in Lugansk Region has already been signed, Avakov wrote, adding the eastern regions of Ukraine will be first to get a taste of the new force.

Earlier on Sunday, a gun flight reportedly broke out at a checkpoint, which was established by protesters on the outskirts of the city of Slavyansk.

Reports on those killed and wounded kept streaming in all day, but lacked consistency and could not be independently verified. According to interim Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, one of the troops from Kiev was killed and five others were injured in the skirmish.

Protesters in Slavyansk said one person was killed and two others injured on their side, adding that two of the Kiev troops were killed.


PressTV - CIA behind Ukraine Crises, ousted Yanukovych says
_http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/13/358453/cia-provoking-bloodshed-in-ukraine/

Monday Apr 14, 2014
Ukrainian deposed President Viktor Yanukovych says the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is provoking bloodshed in the country by sanctioning the use of weapons against pro-Russia protesters.

Speaking on a Russian television station late on Sunday, the ousted president said the United States authorized the new government in Kiev to use force to crack down on protesters in the country’s east.

Yanukovych also warned that Ukraine’s interim officials have taken the country to the brink of a civil war.

He noted that CIA Director John Brennan met with Kiev’s new leaders in person and "in fact sanctioned the use of weapons and provoked bloodshed," in Ukraine.

Yanukovych added that in the event of any bloodshed, the new interim officials of Ukraine as well as the US administration will be held responsible.

He also urged the country’s security forces not to obey orders and restrain from shooting at people.

Meanwhile, new reports say that at least three people have been killed in clashes between security forces and protesters during what Ukraine's Interior Minister Arsen Avakov calls an "anti-terrorist operation” in the eastern town of Slavyansk.

Political crisis erupted in Ukraine in November 2013, when Yanukovych refrained from signing an Association Agreement with the EU in favor of closer ties with Russia.

Tensions between the Western powers and Moscow heightened after Crimea declared independence from Ukraine and formally applied to become part of the Russian Federation following a referendum on March 16, in which nearly 97 percent of voters in Crimea chose to rejoin Russia.

On March 21, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed into law documents that officially made the Black Sea peninsula part of the Russian territory despite condemnation from the West and the new Ukrainian government.

The move sparked angry reactions from the US and the European Union, both imposing punitive measures against Russia.


Ukraine’s ousted president puts blame on CIA
_http://www.mail.com/news/world/2778734-kiev-government-to-deploy-troops-ukraines-east.html

World - April 13, 2014
DONETSK, Ukraine (AP) — Turning to force to try to restore its authority in the vital industrial east, Ukraine's government announced Sunday it was sending in troops to try to quash an increasingly brazen pro-Russian insurgency, despite repeated warnings from the Kremlin.

Accusing Moscow of fomenting the unrest, Ukrainian President Oleksandr Turchynov said in a televised address that such a "large-scale anti-terrorist operation" would ensure Russia did not "repeat the Crimean scenario in Ukraine's east." Turchynov pledged to offer amnesty to anyone surrendering their weapons by Monday morning.

Speaking late Sunday on Russian state television, ousted president Viktor Yanukovych accused the CIA of being behind the new government's decision to turn to force, a claim the CIA denied as "completely false."

Yanukovych claimed that CIA director John Brennan met with Ukraine's new leadership and "in fact sanctioned the use of weapons and provoked bloodshed." CIA spokesman Dean Boyd said that while the agency doesn't comment on Brennan's travel itinerary, the "claim that director Brennan encouraged Ukrainian authorities to conduct tactical operations inside Ukraine is completely false."

Ukraine now has "one foot into a civil war," Yanukovych declared, flanked by his former prosecutor general and interior minister, the two associates most despised by the protesters whose monthslong demonstrations were ignited by Yanukovych's decision to back away from closer relations with the European Union and turn toward Russia. Yanukovych fled to Russia in February, saying he feared for his life.

Earlier Sunday, Ukrainian special forces exchanged gunfire with a pro-Russia militia outside the eastern city of Slovyansk — the first reported gunbattle in the east, where armed pro-Russian men have seized a number of key government buildings to press their demands for referendums on autonomy and possible annexation by Russia, following the pattern set by the vote in Crimea last month. A Ukrainian security officer was killed and at least two others wounded.

Calling such attacks a "Russian aggression," Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said in a Facebook post Sunday that special forces of up to 12,000 people will be drawn from volunteers who will be tasked with resisting attacks from pro-Russian forces in their local areas.

Russia's Foreign Ministry was quick to dismiss Turchynov's decree as "criminal" and accused Ukrainian officials of using radical neo-Nazi forces. Unrest has spread to several municipalities in eastern Ukraine, including the major industrial city of Donetsk, which has a large Russian-speaking population and was the support base for Yanukovych. Ethnic Russians in Ukraine's east widely fear that the new pro-Western Ukrainian government will suppress them. (Etc.)
 
l apprenti de forgeron said:
This is really distressing. But perhaps it is necessary for all the people in this planet wake up to the problem of psychopathy in the macro level. So then people could change their perception of their environment taking into account these invaluable information, impossible to deny.

The C's said that this will not be a good time for psychopaths because they will get all the blame, at least the ones at the top. So at least something positive may come out of this.

I just hope it won't be a case of replacing old psychopaths with new ones, as that problem is still not that widely recognized.
 
axj said:
l apprenti de forgeron said:
This is really distressing. But perhaps it is necessary for all the people in this planet wake up to the problem of psychopathy in the macro level. So then people could change their perception of their environment taking into account these invaluable information, impossible to deny.

The C's said that this will not be a good time for psychopaths because they will get all the blame, at least the ones at the top. So at least something positive may come out of this.

I just hope it won't be a case of replacing old psychopaths with new ones, as that problem is still not that widely recognized.

Unfortunately I think it is not very likely that "all the people on this planet will ever wake up to the problem of psychopathy in the macro level"...

Edit: I think all we can hope for at best is that as many people as possible will wake up to the problem of Psychopathy as possible, which might never be even close to the majority of the people... But even a quite "small percentage" of the population that is aware of the full scope of that problem can have a significant positive effect on the rest of the human population! Sort of in a butterfly effect...
 
Pashalis said:
Gawan said:
Laura said:
It seems to me that Brennan's task was to push Ukraine to an action that would force Russia's hand.

I hear that Russia is calling for an emergency meeting of the UN security council because Ukraine has launched its army. Apparently, there are false-flag set-ups involved that are supposed to make Russia look guilty for "first blood", so it's pretty typical for CIA management.

There was an economic apocalypse for the US being set in motion and the US knew it. So they are using Ukraine as the patsy and I think they think that Putin will back down.

With the C's "April drop dead date" and the US "5D City on a Hill" in the back of my mind, I just don't have a good feeling about this.

Right now CIA gets suspected to have launched the brutal raid in the Ukraine. What is interesting it was reported on a German main stream media site, where I wondered why they are reporting it and now the article is gone... At least I cannot find it anymore.

What was the name of the article? Do you remember? And where was it published?

Maybe we can find a way to recover and/or save it?

I could track it. It must have been the title of the news-ticker, which was later on changed again. Nonetheless this is what they reported and is still in the newsticker:

Verdacht: CIA steckt hinter blutigem "Anti-Terror-Einsatz" in der Ostukraine >> _http://focusonline.co/1ieUMdA

13.55 Uhr: Das Russische Staatsfernsehen Rossiya 1 berichtet laut BBC, dass Kiew das Startsignal für die heutige Anti-Terror-Aktion nach geheimen Absprachen mit CIA-Chef John Brennan in der Ukraine gegeben habe. Damit habe Innenminister Awakow “im Grunde den Anfang eines Bürgerkrieges bekanntgegeben.”

And they posted it also on several FB outlets and twitter. Maybe to cause more controversy between readers.
 
Pashalis said:
axj said:
l apprenti de forgeron said:
This is really distressing. But perhaps it is necessary for all the people in this planet wake up to the problem of psychopathy in the macro level. So then people could change their perception of their environment taking into account these invaluable information, impossible to deny.

The C's said that this will not be a good time for psychopaths because they will get all the blame, at least the ones at the top. So at least something positive may come out of this.

I just hope it won't be a case of replacing old psychopaths with new ones, as that problem is still not that widely recognized.

Unfortunately I think it is not very likely that "all the people on this planet will ever wake up to the problem of psychopathy in the macro level"...

Edit: I think all we can hope for at best is that as many people as possible will wake up to the problem of Psychopathy as possible, which might never be even close to the majority of the people... But even a quite "small percentage" of the population that is aware of the full scope of that problem can have a significant positive effect on the rest of the human population! Sort of in a butterfly effect...

I tend to think that once even a small (but high enough) number of people learn about the problem of psychopaths in our society, it might spread like a wildfire.

My experience with sharing this information about psychopaths with other people has been that everyone quickly grasps it. I have yet to come across anyone who seriously questions it.

So it is not even that much convincing required, as much as just getting the idea across to a large enough number of people. So even a passing mention of the concept in some mainstream entertainment format (movies, novels, etc.) might be enough to spread the idea.
 
axj said:
I tend to think that once even a small (but high enough) number of people learn about the problem of psychopaths in our society, it might spread like a wildfire.

My experience with sharing this information about psychopaths with other people has been that everyone quickly grasps it. I have yet to come across anyone who seriously questions it.

So it is not even that much convincing required, as much as just getting the idea across to a large enough number of people. So even a passing mention of the concept in some mainstream entertainment format (movies, novels, etc.) might be enough to spread the idea.

Yes, it might spread like a wildfire, but as long as people get the wrong input of information, then they draw the wrong conclusions. An example of this, is that people who will readily accept that psychopaths rule our world, will quickly point to Putin as the "bad guy" along with Maduro etc. simply because these people have been brainwashed by the psychopath controlled Western media. So good information is essential otherwise the real psychopaths in power will use the label at all their opponents.
 
One likely thing to happen is that when the disasters increase and become more "in your face" (and MUCH harder for the sleeping masses to not notice/ignore), ALL blame will be put on the psychopaths at the top.
 
Aeneas said:
axj said:
I tend to think that once even a small (but high enough) number of people learn about the problem of psychopaths in our society, it might spread like a wildfire.

My experience with sharing this information about psychopaths with other people has been that everyone quickly grasps it. I have yet to come across anyone who seriously questions it.

So it is not even that much convincing required, as much as just getting the idea across to a large enough number of people. So even a passing mention of the concept in some mainstream entertainment format (movies, novels, etc.) might be enough to spread the idea.

Yes, it might spread like a wildfire, but as long as people get the wrong input of information, then they draw the wrong conclusions. An example of this, is that people who will readily accept that psychopaths rule our world, will quickly point to Putin as the "bad guy" along with Maduro etc. simply because these people have been brainwashed by the psychopath controlled Western media. So good information is essential otherwise the real psychopaths in power will use the label at all their opponents.

Yes, I agree. And I've lost count of the number of people that have seemed to completely absorb and accept information about the true state of affairs I have given them, but who have subsequently acted and spoken in ways that clearly demonstrate the information went right over their head.
 
Aeneas said:
axj said:
I tend to think that once even a small (but high enough) number of people learn about the problem of psychopaths in our society, it might spread like a wildfire.

My experience with sharing this information about psychopaths with other people has been that everyone quickly grasps it. I have yet to come across anyone who seriously questions it.

So it is not even that much convincing required, as much as just getting the idea across to a large enough number of people. So even a passing mention of the concept in some mainstream entertainment format (movies, novels, etc.) might be enough to spread the idea.

Yes, it might spread like a wildfire, but as long as people get the wrong input of information, then they draw the wrong conclusions. An example of this, is that people who will readily accept that psychopaths rule our world, will quickly point to Putin as the "bad guy" along with Maduro etc. simply because these people have been brainwashed by the psychopath controlled Western media. So good information is essential otherwise the real psychopaths in power will use the label at all their opponents.

That's a good point and a good example. Though Putin may be more of an exception - being at the top and not a psychopath. In other cases, when one faction labels the leader of another faction as psychopathic, they may actually be spot on.

And once some leaders label other leaders as psychopaths, I think this will backfire on them pretty quickly. People will start questioning whether there are psychopaths in their own leadership - especially if these leaders have a history of in-your-face power abuse, like in the U.S.

I think the best way of presenting information about psychopaths in power is to always include the idea that all of them can be tested. Especially the brain scans where certain areas of the brain do not light up in psychopaths seem to be fairly accurate and difficult to fool.
 
A bit off-topic: this video looks like a good metaphor of the CIA vs Ukraine and Russia..


https://youtu.be/Tr0opSAxsV4

Most recent comment from Winnie-the-Pooh: "Big mother Russia protected her little son Crimea!!!!!!!!!!" :)
 
Siberia said:
A bit off-topic: this video looks like a good metaphor of the CIA vs Ukraine and Russia..

Most recent comment from Winnie-the-Pooh: "Big mother Russia protected her little son Crimea!!!!!!!!!!" :)

Thank you for that. Good analogy and so cute :cheer:
 
axj said:
[…]My experience with sharing this information about psychopaths with other people has been that everyone quickly grasps it. I have yet to come across anyone who seriously questions it.

So it is not even that much convincing required, as much as just getting the idea across to a large enough number of people. So even a passing mention of the concept in some mainstream entertainment format (movies, novels, etc.) might be enough to spread the idea.

It's encouraging to hear your experience about disseminating information on psychopaths to others. But, in the mainstream entertainment industry, that information has to be somewhat layered in the the presentation of the narrative. Studio execs would shut down the production before it could properly begin & anything that might go over their heads (think "The Matrix" story of how the studio & the Wachowskis needed to be on the same page - although no one "got it" anyway) would probably be seen to by one of their cohorts on the writers circuit. Distortion of the truth is child's play where movies are concerned, (e.g."Seven Psychopaths" - haven't seen it, heard it's rubbish though) a novel would be better. Then again, if it isn't something flashy & fanciful, & requires some critical thought about the nuances of such an important topic, how many people do you think would be up for it?


Paddyjohn said:
Aeneas said:
axj said:
I tend to think that once even a small (but high enough) number of people learn about the problem of psychopaths in our society, it might spread like a wildfire.

My experience with sharing this information about psychopaths with other people has been that everyone quickly grasps it. I have yet to come across anyone who seriously questions it.

So it is not even that much convincing required, as much as just getting the idea across to a large enough number of people. So even a passing mention of the concept in some mainstream entertainment format (movies, novels, etc.) might be enough to spread the idea.

Yes, it might spread like a wildfire, but as long as people get the wrong input of information, then they draw the wrong conclusions. An example of this, is that people who will readily accept that psychopaths rule our world, will quickly point to Putin as the "bad guy" along with Maduro etc. simply because these people have been brainwashed by the psychopath controlled Western media. So good information is essential otherwise the real psychopaths in power will use the label at all their opponents.

Yes, I agree. And I've lost count of the number of people that have seemed to completely absorb and accept information about the true state of affairs I have given them, but who have subsequently acted and spoken in ways that clearly demonstrate the information went right over their head.

Same here. But recently one or two have started asking more questions about the whole shebang & this I can tell is because of the way I present it to them when they ask me things. For me it's quite tricky to separate the effects of psychopaths when speaking to others, I think for a while & break it down into bite-sized chunks based on the question asked - to stay on point. I anticipate the following questions & weave the answers together with diet (I don't know how to avoid that) & cultures. I'll throw in monarchy & the "divine right" stuff (who doesn't know about that?!) aristocracy too. Wars & religion (near-annihilation of foreign territories etc) seems to have worked too. Interestingly unless I'm mistaken, since I started talking about disasters as part of my narrative - planetary upheavals & ice age(s) - the response has been positive. I'm asked if I can talk more about the subject of psychopaths but usually the timing is off, this is usually at work or when friends have to look after their kids & pets, that kinda stuff.

Listening to the other party, & giving my responses (I always encourage people to just read rather than listening to me) all in all takes around 10-15 minutes & I'm always observing whether they're paying attention & still listening. But yeah, like I said, the ice age stuff & kingship (& the takeover of education -"who educates the educators?") has helped. I can only hope they'll pick up any books that I've suggested.
 
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