Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Two children died as a result of attack near Slavyansk where the junta army perform power operation, the chief of the press service of Donetsk regional public administration Ilya Suzdalev reported. According to him, from fragmental wounds the 12-year-old boy and the 6-year-old girl were lost, reports ITAR-TASS.

 

[angelburst29]

This claim, if true, doesn't sound surprising considering his actions, so far in bombing Ukraine.

Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko - Once Agent for U.S. State Department
_http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ukraine-President-Once-Age-by-Michael-Collins-Agents_Petro-Poroshenko_Russia_State-Department-140609-372.html

Monday June 9, 2014 - Is he still working for his former masters in Washington, DC?

Two diplomatic messages from the WikiLeaks Public Library on U.S. Diplomacy indicate that newly elected President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko was an agent for United States State Department. A confidential message from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev on April 29, 2006 mentions the newly elected Ukraine president twice.


" During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko emphatically denied he was using his influence with the Prosecutor General to put pressure on Tymoshenko lieutenant Oleksandr."

" During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko denied that he was behind Prosecutor General Oleksandr Medvedko's recent decision to issue an arrest warrant for Tymoshenko lieutenant Oleksandr Turchynov. " [to] question him about the alleged destruction of SBU [Ukraine intel] files on organized crime figure Seymon Mogilievich." [Russian Mafia Boss of Bosses] WikiLeaks Public Library of U.S. Diplomacy


The motivation for alleged destruction of files appeared in an embassy message from April 14, 2006.

"-- The files contained information about Tymoshenko's cooperation with Mogilievich when she ran United Energy Systems in the mid-late 1990s." WikiLeaks

Yulia Tymoshenko, an aspiring oligarch, is the darling of the both the Bush and Obama administrations for her role in the 2004 Orange Revolution that brought the first modern anti-Russian Ukraine government to power. She helped negotiate the natural gas deals between Ukraine and Russia.

Another mention of Poroshenko made it clear that the State Department saw the future value of Poroshenko's insider role.

"OU-insider Petro Poroshenko was in the running for the PM job." WikiLeaks

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with the current president in 2009 when he served as Ukraine Foreign Minister. The content of the meeting was described in a confidential message from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev on December 18, 2009:

[Speaking to Ukraine Foreign Minister Petro Poroshenko] "She [Secretary of State Clinton] emphasized that the United States envisioned multiple pathways to NATO membership." WikiLeaks

Since he was doing his work in secret, and he was "our insider," it follows that Poroshenko played the role of agent:" someone hired or recruited by an intelligence agency to do its bidding. The person to whom the agent reports -- the actual agency employee--is known as an operative." Encyclopedia of Espionage, Intelligence, and Security

Poroshenko is a Ukrainian oligarch, one of the fifty or so wealthiest citizens who run the country. It is unlikely the president got cash for his services but highly likely that he extracted financial advantage as a result.

Amidst the chaos and ruin visited upon Ukraine, Poroshenko's recent election may mean a synchronization of U.S. - Ukraine policies regarding the eastern regions where citizens of Ukraine are subject to bombardment by land an air in their towns and cities.

 

[Siberia]

Several Russian sources (not the largest yet) report that containers with chemical weapons were delivered by the National Guard to Kramatorsk airport, East Ukraine.

Sources in Russian: http://www.radiomayak.ru/news/show/id/101962 (one of the largest Russian radio stations); http://radiovesti.ru/article/show/article_id/138675 (another well-known Russian radio station).

It will be interesting to watch the US reaction to it: they demanded Syria to eliminate the same weapons and Syria did it, will they stick to their policy now or will they completely ignore it? I bet for the latter..

 

[Alvalsen]

like mentioned bacteriological weapons

 

[Antony]

Angelburst29,
I just heard that fact today on the evening news!
Indeed not surprising..for example head of the SBU - security service of Ukraine Valentin Nalivaichenko for a long period of time is working for CIA-nobody even denies it.
Lots of wikileaks stuff is to be analysed for new revelations

 

[Persej]

Lukashenko came today to Serbia. This part of the news is interesting:

Lukashenko on the eve of his visit to Belgrade said that the Eurasian Economic Union, which consists of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, has a very good perspective and that for that alliance, which is in the formation, many countries are interested, including Serbia.

The idea of entering into an alliance with Belarus and Russia was current at the end of the nineties, at the time of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, when the two countries had an intense and close relationships. In April 1999. during the NATO bombing, the Yugoslav Parliament adopted a decision on the accession of the Union of Russia and Belarus, which has not been realized.

Serbia's entry into the Union of Russia and Belarus at the time was one of the foreign policy priorities of the Serbian Radical Party, in which the second leader at that time was the current President of Serbia Tomislav Nikolic.

_http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2014&mm=06&dd=11&nav_category=11&nav_id=859420

And in five days Lavrov is also coming.

 

[Keit]

Lukashenko came today to Serbia. This part of the news is interesting:

Very interesting. Wonder if they will offer to help with an infrastructural recovery after flooding.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Lukashenko came today to Serbia. This part of the news is interesting:

Very interesting. Wonder if they will offer to help with an infrastructural recovery after flooding.

It is worth to say that the Serbian crappy quisling government treats him like a second grade politician. For example prime minister (which is title number one by Serbian constitution, in reality nothing more than EU's gauleiter) had unexpected call to visit Angela Merkel the same day, so he run immediately to the Reichskanzlei for his new instructions. Germany will buy Serbian electricity system, so that's why (actually it will be more like gift to some German industrialist from Serbian quisling government). Also the main evening news on the state's TV didn't even mentioned that Lukashenko is here.

People getting less and less amused with their behavior day by day (which is actually good thing, patience slowly but steadily runs out :) ) They are not a bit better then junta in Kiev.

 

[SeekinTruth]

I was referring more to western Europe (they use mostly gas, as far as I know, and they're the ones putting pressure on Russia - AND Bulgaria).

Western Europe doesn't need South Stream because there are plenty of other gas routes. Northern Stream that goes directly from Russia to Germany under sea is working fine. SS is something that is supposed to benefit some of the southeastern countries. And now the USA wants to punish Russia through us, and EU is letting them do that because it doesn't hurt the majority of EU.

Somewhat true, but South Stream would have another alternate route to western European EU countries, thus not being dependent on transit from Ukraine. Right now about 50% of EU gas transits through Ukraine and the situation is completely uncertain. It's kind of like the EU following the diktats from US in cutting the branch they're sitting on - all that talk of alternatives to Russian gas/energy to the EU is nonsense and will take many years to be put in place.

 

[Persej]

Somewhat true, but South Stream would have another alternate route to western European EU countries, thus not being dependent on transit from Ukraine.

Yes, Austria and Italy from Western Europe would benefit from that pipeline also. But here you can see that mostly Eastern countries are dependent on transit from Ukraine: _http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/03/13/bulgaria-macedonia-and-romania-would-be-hardest-hit-by-a-suspension-of-russian-gas-exports-through-ukraine/

Right now about 50% of EU gas transits through Ukraine and the situation is completely uncertain.

No. About 50% of Russian gas to EU runs through Ukraine, and about 30% of the EU's gas imports are from Russia. That means that only 15% of EU gas imports transit through Ukraine. In that picture you also need to put the fact that EU is still not using the whole capacity of the Nord Stream, which is now at about 50% of capacity.

It's kind of like the EU following the diktats from US in cutting the branch they're sitting on - all that talk of alternatives to Russian gas/energy to the EU is nonsense and will take many years to be put in place.

Yes. This is also interesting:

The expert admits Russia’s dependence on gas export to Europe: “Our exports bring 70% of our revenues to us, this includes oil and gas exports. And the main market for our resources is Europe. We depend on Europe, we want to deal with it. But Europe is preventing an increase of security of supplies. They didn’t let us implement the project of Yamal-Europe-2. They prevent construction of the South Stream. They don’t let us use the whole capacity of the Nord Stream, as they don’t give a license for using the pipeline. Such attempts are purely political and geopolitical.”

_http://vestnikkavkaza.net/articles/politics/56323.html

What in the hell are you doing EU?!

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Jun 14th 2014:

Poroshenko convokes NSDC (National Security and Defense Council) meeting.
"All those involved in the cynical act of terrorism of this magnitude must necessarily be punished. Ukraine needs peace. Terrorists, however, get an adequate response" - said Powder (Poroshenko - in Russian his name sounds like a powderman).
Recall tonight militia shot down a transport plane Air Force Ukrainian IL-76, which was carrying 49 people. They all died.
/from Ukr media/

Nazis photographed before departure:
http://cs540108.vk.me/c7005/v7005830/14edd/IXjLFoK_qCE.jpg

from the link below reported that the plane still Lithuanian Special Forces 56 bodies were, mercenaries for earnings came, bastards:
http://continentalist.ru/2014/06/luganshhina-tse-vam-ne-mariupol/
total, in the plane was 49 + 56 = 105 men

upd: About downed IL-76: On the Lithuanian forums write that the plane was shooting without heat traps (or did not have, or to mask), struck complex effects (anti-aircraft systems + Firearms), transporting armored vehicles, mortar battery, food, wound dressings, a group of snipers, the Lvov-Lithuanian formation - 56 people + reinforced crew - 9 people.
in comments: http://militarizm.livejournal.com/19887.html

This IL-76. There is a lot more than 49 people:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqE7Pj8CUAEcCN7.jpg

Secretary General of the Council of Europe is shocked by the death of the Ukrainian military in the fall of IL-76
Secretary General of Council of Europe Torbjorn Jagland was shocked to learn of the death of 49 Ukrainian military on board IL-76. Under Slavic plane shot down militia. "I am shocked and deeply concerned at the news of the tragic loss of lives in Ukraine. Separatists will not win anything from this senseless killing," - said Jagland.

another psychopathic scum. chastener killed - this senseless murder, civil to tear off legs and artillery shoot children - is the pinnacle of human wisdom. a double morality in action.

the Lvov-Lithuanian formation

this one was outraged because the secretary general.

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Two planes of the Ukrainian army hit by airstrike Management Interior of Gorlovka in the Donetsk region, where the headquarters of the militia in the area of ​​4:30 am. According to specified data, there is a loss of militiamen and civilians - two people were killed and seven wounded. Militias responded to the attack by fire.

Militia of Gorlovka declares that shot down one of the two Su-24 bombers that attacked at night building of Management Interior location of the crash was found, the pilot arrested, said RIA News on Saturday at the headquarters of the militia.
"Now we carry a pilot for questioning".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhzR6_-EuLs

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Sunday afternoon about 200 protesters surrounded the building of Embassy of Russia in Kiev. They partitioned off gate and the central entrance tires and old doors. Participants of picket were built along a trellised fencing and demand "to stop intervention of Russia in internal affairs of Ukraine".
Activists of the Maidan painted the plate with an inscription "Embassy of the Russian Federation" in colors of the Ukrainian flag. Some people threw the diplomatic mission building eggs and vials of brilliant green. Brilliant green sprinkled and some cars with diplomatic numbers. law enforcement agencies ignores these actions.

the police came - they spat on (shouting "Well let's *** out of here") - and they're gone. Baboons yell "Who does not jump - that Moskal," "Glory to Ukraine!"

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Here is a video of events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9W5Char5Tw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf5ylU2JHaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0fo4PrbfTs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7kH-MPvfI4

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

In Slavyansk and surroundings - almost stone age. No water, electricity and mobile communications for a few days does not work. Water blocked punishers junta, to the reservoirs they do not admit no one. medicines and first aid is no too.
no humanitarian corridors, the creation of which declared Powdershenko - no.
Moreover, the junta prepares filtering population. the so-called liberated from the terrorists of the city - there were cleaning forces of the National Guard, the real Gestapo cleaning.
spoke of the militia captured plans of settling Donbass residents of western Ukraine - Banderites. They were promised $ 2100, and settle them have in abandoned homes of refugees.
junta prepared camps for forced relocation of the east, with filtering and cleansing.

about relocation of westerners to the east, I wrote here:
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/235463