Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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An interesting article form Igor Strelkov on the situation in East Ukrain:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-08/shadowy-commander-east-ukraine-insurgency-speaks

Most Recent Interview by Strelkov, via @Gbazov

I believe that the situation will change for the worse, because now this so-called “legitimate” President immediately will turn to NATO countries, to Western countries, for help, asking, first and foremost, for military help.

We can then expect to be confronted with new NATO tanks, helicopters, aircraft, advisors, instructors, mercenaries. There will be greater numbers of shells, troops and victims. This is all that I expect from this so-called “inauguration.”

This morning [June 7, 2014] there was again artillery shelling of the Artem neighbourhood of Slavyansk. There our checkpoints are located along the perimeter, but the enemy regularly shells homes in civilian neighbourhoods. Specifically, the shells exploded here, here, near the Lenin Hospital, and here.

The enemy can “boast” that they finished off two of their broken-down “BMD” APCs. Well, more accurately, not “BMD” APCs, just APCs. These we had long ago taken apart into spare parts. So they hit these remaining shells; they finished them off, so to say.

With respect to infantry, we are facing a ratio of approximately 5-6 to 1. For one of my fighters there are 5-6 enemy soldiers. This is specifically with respect to the troops stationed directly near the city. Apart from that, there are also 50-60 pieces of heavy artillery, which is dedicated specifically to shelling the city. Also 1-2 Grad systems. A lot of tanks. These elements we cannot, unfortunately, engage directly, given the distance of 1.5-2 kilometres.

All in all, the ratio of forces remains very much not in our favour. So, although the enemy has moved a portion of its forces from our theatre and transferred it, as far as I can tell, to protect the border, nevertheless, we are having a difficult time holding our ground. As a result, first and foremost, we need active help in the form of armoured vehicles, long-range AA elements, and artillery. This is so because the greater part of the enemy artillery force conducts attacks from positions that we are unable to reach.

That is to say, they bombard us from long-range positions of absolute safety. All we can do is dig into the ground, build reinforced installations, but we are unable to counteract them in any way. Unfortunately, our mortars simply do not reach the positions of their heavy howitzers. No wonder, as we are facing such calibres as 240mm. The holes left by shells from these weapons in Semyonovka are easily identifiable.

It has become apparent, long ago, to anyone with even a superficial interest in military affairs that it is far easier to storm an intact city than a destroyed city. The Germans, in their time, got confirmation of this rule at Stalingrad. Yes, they are counting on being able to force the population out of here. And they claim that [once the population evacuates], they would be able to storm the city. In fact, this is simply a way to save face.

A significant part of the population, at least in Semyonovka and Cherevkovka, has already left. Semyonovka has barely anyone left. Same with Cherevkovka. And yet, they do not attempt to storm them. There is one simple reason why: they understand full well that they will suffer significant casualties. Their infantry does not exhibit sufficient fortitude, whether on attack or in defence. In effect, they are simply exacting vengeance against us for precision strikes against their artillery positions, their checkpoints, against their armoured vehicles. They are taking out their anger by carpet-shelling civilian neighbourhoods. In theory, it is possible that they believe they are firing at our positions; however, in 90% of cases they hit areas where we have no fighters present.

They conducted strikes against Nikolaevskaia Power Plant specifically with the intent of taking it out of commission, so at to cut off electrical supplies not only to our city, but to a whole number of cities in the north of Donbass region. In fact, this was a direct attack intended to destroy the infrastructure that feeds urban and industrial regions. The same can be said about the continuing bombardment of industrial locations. In sum, we are witnessing purposeful destruction of the industrial complex. You can draw an analogy to an old joke about a Ukrainian who says “Even if I can’t eat it, at least I’ll bite it.” In other words, if I can’t have you, no one can. About right.

I am predicting that not only the Slavyansk region, which, at this time, acts as a shield for the Lugansk and Donetsk oblasts/provinces, but also the entire territory of Lugansk and Donetsk regions will turn into a battlefield. It is obvious that no one will stop this military operation; no one is intending to terminate it. More than that, military elements are being used that are entirely excessive in fighting against small guerilla units. In fact, these elements are more-or-less useless. In a manner of saying, they are using cannons to shoot down birds. All of this will continue further, it will be transferred to Donetsk, to Gorlovka, to Makeevka, to Lugansk, to all the other cities and parts of the region. At least that’s how the Ukrainian army is acting. These are the conclusion that can be drawn from what the Ukrainian army is doing. This will turn into a humanitarian catastrophe not just at the scale of a city, but on the regional, possibly the world scale. I say this because there are over six (6) million inhabitants [in the region] that will become the targets of this very dumb, very unprofessional, very careless military machine. While guerillas (and we are, in fact, guerillas), i.e. militia, are able to defend cities, are able to repel infantry and even tank attacks by the enemy, we are, unfortunately, incapable of defending the region from airstrikes and artillery shelling. Equally, we are unable to destroy [artillery and aviation] because the ratio of the opposing forces remains disturbingly [not in our favour]. Regardless of how many volunteers we are able to field (and, first of all, we are unable to arm all of them, to this date we lack everything – rifles, ammo, anti-aircraft elements, and, most important, we lack anti-tank defence systems, including anti-tank artillery), and even if we receive all the necessary equipment and are able to match [Ukrainian] regular forces in combat, this would nevertheless lead to a complete humanitarian catastrophe in the region. Unfortunately, without peacekeeping forces (and I obviously mean Russian peacekeepers, as no other peacekeeping force would be accepted by us here, nor considered a “peacekeeping force”), the region will descend into bloody chaos, lawlessness. Everything that was built over decades would be lost, destroyed.

The Lugansk Republic also finds itself in a very difficult military situation, they must think of defending their own territory, their own cities and population. The one thing I can note is that we are coordinating our activities with the garrison in Lesichansk. This garrison made a request to be included in our command structure. Together with this garrison we are defending this part of the front.

Q: Poroshenko promised Putin that, in the nearest future, the war will be either brought to an end or suspended, in some manner. In your opinion, what did he mean when he said this?

A: I believe that what he meant is that the Ukrainian army will steamroll over the entire Donbass region, will eliminate all those who rose up against the illegitimate Kiev government, all those who rebelled against the discrimination directed against the Russian people, and that, in this manner, he would bring the war to an end. I think this is what he had in mind. An oligarch who sponsored the so-called “Maidan,” who made the most warlike claims and adopted extreme positions while still a Presidential candidate, who is a puppet controlled directly by the United States of America, this oligarch cannot change who he is in one day or one night. Of course, what he means is that he plans to “impose order” with an iron fist, the fist of his punitive forces. Put it bluntly, we saw how they “impose order” from the example of what happened in Krasniy Liman. That is why we will, of course, resist to the last man. We will resist successfully, I am emphasizing this again. The real problem is not that we will be unable to defend ourselves or to withstand attacks by the Ukrainian forces, the problem is that if this war continues indefinitely, the region will fall to a humanitarian catastrophe. As a result Russia will become the recipient of millions of disenfranchised, impoverished and angry refugees. Everything that was built, created over decades, if not centuries, will be destroyed.

We continue to prevail over them again and again, on all fronts. Nowhere have they been able to achieve a victory of any real significance. They were able to overwhelm our garrison of one hundred in Krasniy Liman by throwing a force of three thousand (3,000) and coming against them from all sides. Even so … And where they have to square off against a more-or-less trained, numerous, at least somehow provisioned force, they always, regularly suffer defeat. They cannot advance even a step. Their tactic consists of filling the landscape with troops, tanks, APCs, and artillery, and defending themselves, in hopes that, without numerical and equipment parity, we would be unable to push them from their positions. In effect, their positions at Mount Karachun are an example of this approach. We are unable to kick them out of Karachun first and foremost because their force is at least three times the size of my garrison [in Slavyansk].

We are blessed with excellent morale and fighting spirit, our fighters are highly motivated, while they have a great deal of old, but still effective “metal” [Note: i.e. armoured vehicles] that fights against our militia.

Ukrainian mass media lies, lies without end. They lie so unapologetically that Goebbels would have envied their style. He is probably turning in his grave now. And, so, they are interested in ensuring that no one else is able to provide this information. And, because Western media, to a large degree, plays along with its Ukrainian colleagues, and provides only such information that benefits Ukraine, the Russian media becomes their natural enemy. As a result, they consider the Russian media their direct enemy in the field of informational warfare.

With respect to international law and norms, they never cared for them on bit. For example, here they use cluster bombs and similar [illegal] weapons. They shoot, and, as you correctly pointed out, remove entire township from the face of the Earth. They shell cities. They will continue in this manner with ever-increasing [brutality]. This is because they experience no material opposition [to what they do]. They have no other tactic. They are unable to take up their weapons and go on attack, go storm our positions face-to-face with us, despite their profound numerical advantage in troops. As soon as their infantry faces direct combat, it retreats. They retreat even if supported by tanks. They abandon their tanks and retreat. They understand that their infantry is not combat-worthy. Their only option is to shell us from afar, again and again and again, and hope to inflict the greatest possible destruction.
 
Pashalis said:
Again a great article from Lada Ray :thup:

Yes. We want Lada Ray for SOTT editor! :D

BTW Bulgaria today halted the South Stream gas pipeline project:

Bulgaria halts Russia's South Stream gas pipeline project

Bulgaria’s prime minister, Plamen Oresharski, has ordered a halt to work on Russia’s South Stream pipeline, on the recommendation of the EU. The decision was announced after his talks with US senators.

"At this time there is a request from the European Commission, after which we've suspended the current works, I ordered it," Oresharski told journalists after meeting with John McCain, Chris Murphy and Ron Johnson during their visit to Bulgaria on Sunday. "Further proceedings will be decided after additional consultations with Brussels."

McCain, commenting on the situation, said that "Bulgaria should solve the South Stream problems in collaboration with European colleagues," adding that in the current situation they would want "less Russian involvement" in the project.

"America has decided that it wants to put itself in a position where it excludes anybody it doesn't like from countries where it thinks it might have an interest, and there is no economic rationality in this at all. Europeans are very pragmatic, they are looking for cheap energy resources - clean energy resources, and Russia can supply that. But the thing with the South Stream is that it doesn't fit with the politics of the situation," Ben Aris, editor of Business New Europe told RT.

Russia’s Energy Ministry said it had not yet received any official notification from Bulgaria on work on the project being suspended.

_http://rt.com/business/164588-brussels-bulgaria-halts-south-stream/
 
I can't help thinking of what effect this halt of supply of natural gas will have on the populations of these countries when the ice age starts to kick in. That surely will reduce the chances of survival for many people.
 
mkrnhr said:
I can't help thinking of what effect this halt of supply of natural gas will have on the populations of these countries when the ice age starts to kick in. That surely will reduce the chances of survival for many people.

Yeah, exactly. Doesn't even give the chance to those who may be able to adapt any opportunity. Sudden freezing and no way of heating. This coming winter will already be very serious for all those affected.
 
SeekinTruth said:
mkrnhr said:
I can't help thinking of what effect this halt of supply of natural gas will have on the populations of these countries when the ice age starts to kick in. That surely will reduce the chances of survival for many people.

Yeah, exactly. Doesn't even give the chance to those who may be able to adapt any opportunity. Sudden freezing and no way of heating. This coming winter will already be very serious for all those affected.

Well, the problem with the Russian South Stream project is that gas for that pipeline would come from Urengoy gas field which is located in the northern Siberia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy_gas_field
So when the Ice age comes I doubt that it will be possible to extract gas from that area. :/

Second thing, I don't know about Bulgaria, but in Serbia general population do not want to heat their houses with gas because gas is too expensive for us. Even our city heating plants use mostly mazut (low quality fuel oil) and coal. So having a primitive energy sources available may have some benefits in the future.
 
Persej said:
SeekinTruth said:
mkrnhr said:
I can't help thinking of what effect this halt of supply of natural gas will have on the populations of these countries when the ice age starts to kick in. That surely will reduce the chances of survival for many people.

Yeah, exactly. Doesn't even give the chance to those who may be able to adapt any opportunity. Sudden freezing and no way of heating. This coming winter will already be very serious for all those affected.

Well, the problem with the Russian South Stream project is that gas for that pipeline would come from Urengoy gas field which is located in the northern Siberia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy_gas_field
So when the Ice age comes I doubt that it will be possible to extract gas from that area. :/

Second thing, I don't know about Bulgaria, but in Serbia general population do not want to heat their houses with gas because gas is too expensive for us. Even our city heating plants use mostly mazut (low quality fuel oil) and coal. So having a primitive energy sources available may have some benefits in the future.

Russian Gazprom has an extensive experience in gas extraction under severe Siberian and Arctic climate, so maybe this won't be such a problem. The whole infrastructure is designed keeping in mind that the temperatures can be quite often as low as -45 C in the area.

The thing is, while Europe has its Gulf Stream, we cannot enjoy it here in Siberia as much and often as you do. The Arctic influence has always been much stronger here. So if Europe eventually loses its warmth from GS, Siberia will probably stay more or less where it has always been. Or so I hope (maybe that's just my wishful thinking?)

As for the gas prices, maybe the South Stream could solve this problem for Serbia: if it replaces Ukraine and becomes a gas transit country for Europe, the prices for Serbia can probably be significantly reduced (just my speculations)?

So, we have a curious word-play here: until Europe has its Gulf Stream, it doesn't care much about the South Stream, but when winter comes, Europe will "suddenly realize" that it needs Russian gas, especially if Kiev junta continues with its crazy suicide and pipeline sabotage. Another curious word-play is: from Siberia through Serbia the South Stream can finally unite Russia and Europe and warm up our relationship (or so I hope :)).
 
Persej said:
SeekinTruth said:
mkrnhr said:
I can't help thinking of what effect this halt of supply of natural gas will have on the populations of these countries when the ice age starts to kick in. That surely will reduce the chances of survival for many people.

Yeah, exactly. Doesn't even give the chance to those who may be able to adapt any opportunity. Sudden freezing and no way of heating. This coming winter will already be very serious for all those affected.

Well, the problem with the Russian South Stream project is that gas for that pipeline would come from Urengoy gas field which is located in the northern Siberia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy_gas_field
So when the Ice age comes I doubt that it will be possible to extract gas from that area. :/

Second thing, I don't know about Bulgaria, but in Serbia general population do not want to heat their houses with gas because gas is too expensive for us. Even our city heating plants use mostly mazut (low quality fuel oil) and coal. So having a primitive energy sources available may have some benefits in the future.

I'm curious where from you draw your anti-russian sentiments, especially living in Serbia (based not only on this post but on some of your posts in the past. I must say, that's my subjective impression! if I mistake I do apologize).

I believe that work in Arctic conditions and permafrost are not new for Russians:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/18/russia-prirazlomnoye-oil-idINL6N0NA1C720140418

Where did you find that the South Stream gas pipeline draws gas from Urengoy gas field? On the South Stream official website it is not stated like that:

http://www.south-stream.info/en/maps/

I'm not so familiar with Russian geography though.

Gas heating for the individual housing in Serbia is expensive and thus very little used. It is considered more as a alternative. But, don't forget that Serbia is very poor, so that affects much with the gas, of course. Most of the public heating systems in most of the cities that have that sort of heating system (and most of them are having it) in the recent few years at least, works on the gas. Mazut (one operation before the oil is further broken into diesel) is considered as reserve/second solution, and the coal is long forgotten.

For example here on the Belgrade's heating system website (unfortunately not available in english). It is written: schematic of the production process.

http://www.beoelektrane.rs/?cat=20&lng=lat

On this link is picture of the Novi Beograd's heating plant (BTW biggest in south east Europe with sum capacity around 900MW), you'll see two tall chimneys which are spewing the smoke, those are for the gas, three shorter ones are for mazut. I live in the vicinity of that plant so it is like that at least the last 5 or 6 winters.

http://www.beograd.rs/cms/view.php?id=2150
 
Avala said:
I'm curious where from you draw your anti-russian sentiments, especially living in Serbia (based not only on this post but on some of your posts in the past. I must say, that's my subjective impression! if I mistake I do apologize).

Well I'm curious where did you draw that I have anti-russian sentiments?

Avala said:
I believe that work in Arctic conditions and permafrost are not new for Russians

Not new to work in Arctic conditions but to work in Ice age conditions it would be new, even for Russians.

Avala said:
Where did you find that the South Stream gas pipeline draws gas from Urengoy gas field?

Here:
_http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/reportaze/aktuelno.293.html:487085-Gas-iz-leda-greje-pola-Evrope
_http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Ekonomija/456834/Sibirski-Novi-Urengoj-ce-snabdevati-Juzni-tok-kroz-Srbiju
_http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Ekonomija/Barozo-Juzni-tok-je-mrtav-Rusi-Juzni-tok-je-ziv.lt.html

Avala said:
Most of the public heating systems in most of the cities that have that sort of heating system (and most of them are having it) in the recent few years at least, works on the gas. Mazut (one operation before the oil is further broken into diesel) is considered as reserve/second solution, and the coal is long forgotten.

They are transferring to gas, but they are far away from finishing that process.

In Serbia 48.9% of apartments use central heating system. In that system there are 57 heating plants. Out of those 57 plants, 38 use mazut, and 4 that I could find (Barajevo, Bor, Kruševac and Leskovac) still use coal. So that means that only 15 plants out of 57 use gas as primary fuel.
Numbers might be wrong because I had to gather information from several places, but it does seem to be true that majority of people are still not heating their homes with gas.

_http://www.beoelektrane.rs/?cat=9
_http://www.kurir-info.rs/toplane-traze-22000-tona-mazuta-na-zajam-clanak-532081
_http://www.alo.rs/vesti/aktuelno/toplane-u-srbiji-spremne-za-pocetak-grejne-sezone/32230
_http://www.mc.kcbor.net/2014/04/07/jp-toplana-bor-ko-to-tamo-opasno-profitira-na-uglju/
 
Siberia said:
Russian Gazprom has an extensive experience in gas extraction under severe Siberian and Arctic climate, so maybe this won't be such a problem. The whole infrastructure is designed keeping in mind that the temperatures can be quite often as low as -45 C in the area.

The problem is not just with low temperatures but also with the amount of ice sheet (up to 3 to 4 kilometres in height!).

Siberia said:
The thing is, while Europe has its Gulf Stream, we cannot enjoy it here in Siberia as much and often as you do. The Arctic influence has always been much stronger here. So if Europe eventually loses its warmth from GS, Siberia will probably stay more or less where it has always been. Or so I hope (maybe that's just my wishful thinking?)

I don't want to break your hopes but... just look at this picture: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northern_icesheet_hg.png
Southern Siberia would be OK, but northern would be permanently uninhabited. :/

Siberia said:
As for the gas prices, maybe the South Stream could solve this problem for Serbia: if it replaces Ukraine and becomes a gas transit country for Europe, the prices for Serbia can probably be significantly reduced (just my speculations)?

That is what we are hoping for.

Siberia said:
So, we have a curious word-play here: until Europe has its Gulf Stream, it doesn't care much about the South Stream, but when winter comes, Europe will "suddenly realize" that it needs Russian gas, especially if Kiev junta continues with its crazy suicide and pipeline sabotage. Another curious word-play is: from Siberia through Serbia the South Stream can finally unite Russia and Europe and warm up our relationship (or so I hope :)).

Haha. I like your word-play. I also hope that it comes true. :)
 
Persej said:
Avala said:
I'm curious where from you draw your anti-russian sentiments, especially living in Serbia (based not only on this post but on some of your posts in the past. I must say, that's my subjective impression! if I mistake I do apologize).

Well I'm curious where did you draw that I have anti-russian sentiments?

Must be my subjective impression. Sorry.

Thank you for the links and the thorough analysis.


Persej said:
Siberia said:
Russian Gazprom has an extensive experience in gas extraction under severe Siberian and Arctic climate, so maybe this won't be such a problem. The whole infrastructure is designed keeping in mind that the temperatures can be quite often as low as -45 C in the area.

The problem is not just with low temperatures but also with the amount of ice sheet (up to 3 to 4 kilometres in height!).

Ice age temperatures are not lower than today's polar temperatures (according to the internet). Height of the ice sheet could be a problem, but that's not something that turns up overnight. It needs centuries to build up (at least many years . . . ). They have the energy, probably the means too, to keep the area clean, or on needed level.
 
Avala said:
Ice age temperatures are not lower than today's polar temperatures (according to the internet). Height of the ice sheet could be a problem, but that's not something that turns up overnight. It needs centuries to build up (at least many years . . . ).

Actually, it can be much faster than that!

This discovery suggests that our current climate could undergo a similar rapid change, shifting back into ice age mode in just one year.

http://www.sott.net/article/172894-Ice-Ages-start-and-end-so-suddenly-its-like-a-button-was-pressed-say-scientists

It took just six months for a warm and sunny Europe to be engulfed in ice, according to new research.

Previous studies have suggested the arrival of the last Ice Age nearly 13,000 years ago took about a decade - but now scientists believe the process was up to 20 times as fast.

http://www.sott.net/article/245320-Last-Ice-Age-took-just-SIX-months-to-arrive
 
I was referring more to western Europe (they use mostly gas, as far as I know, and they're the ones putting pressure on Russia - AND Bulgaria). Western Europe is also much more used to their comforts and hasn't had experiences like the Balkans to "sharpen" their survival skill. FWIW.
 
@Persej

I easily can imagine ice age come in just few months. Just needs one spring never to came back. But I thought that we were talking about ice cover thickness. That would need some time to build up. My point was, if Russians are capable now to dig and drill in Arctic ice and Siberian permafrost, I can assume that they would be capable to keep doing the job some time during the ice age.


I think that the western Europe couldn't be THAT stupid to fall completely under the influence of Washington so that they stay out of Russian gas. I mean western Europe is for example far north from Balkans. Their winters are already much longer and more harsh then winters in Balkans. Not to mention that Mediterranean and Balkans also have the influence from warm sea and air currents from north Africa, which western Europe don't. We have few more months to see what will happen :)
 
Shellshock: 20.000 Flee from Southeastern Ukraine to Russia in 3 Days
_http://nsnbc.me/2014/06/09/shellshock-20-000-flee-from-southeastern-ukraine-to-russia-in-3-days/

Monday June 9, 2014 - nsnbc : Some 20.000 mostly women and children fled from southeastern Ukraine to Russia’s Rostov region in the last three days alone. The exodus of Ukrainians who flee Kiev’s military onslaught continues growing as forces loyal to Kiev shell densely populated residential areas.

7,335 Ukrainians fled to Russia’s neighboring Rostov region within 24 hours on June 8 to June 9; over 3,000 have been given shelter in camps and temporary accommodation centers prepared by the Rostov region’s authorities, report the Russian news agency Itar-Tass. An explosive increase in the number of refugees is feared as Kiev intensifies its use of heavy military equipment, including artillery, rocket-propelled grenades, rockets, tanks, heavy machine guns, fighter bombers and helicopter gunships against densely populated residential areas.

Most parts of the city of Slavyansk and its population have been without water supply since Ukrainian troops loyal to the government in Kiev targeted the city’s main water supply with artillery fire on June 3 and 4. The city is also largely without electricity. nsnbc has not been able to reach its contacts in Slavyansk by phone, Skype or e-mail for three days. A spokeswoman for Slavyansk’ mayor said yesterday, that bottled water and food supplies are running low. Vital medicines began running out over one week ago.

Referring to the self-defense forces of the rebelling regions and local governors who continue demanding a federalized Ukrainian state with large regional authorities, the newly elected President Petro Poroshenko stressed that he “would not talks to criminals and terrorists”. Poroshenko also asserted that his administration would remove minority protections, such as the use of Russian as second official language in the predominantly Russian speaking southeastern regions.


E. Ukraine warzone: Demolished houses, fires after heavy shelling
_http://rt.com/news/164912-ukraine-zone-war-slavyansk/

Tuesday June 10, 2014 - Despite President Poroshenko intention to bring about a ceasefire, Kiev’s relentless military operation in the country’s east is intensifying. Slavyansk has become one of the main targets of artillery attacks, amateur videos filmed in the area show.
( 9 video's)


air strike of the Ukrainian Air force on city of Lugansk
_http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/06/for-inna-video-which-should-be.html

Tuesday June 10, 2014 - On 2 June 2014 an air strike of the Ukrainian Air force on city of Lugansk resulted in 8 deaths and 28 wounded. Inna Vladimirovna Kukurudza (Кукурудза Инна Владимировна), an employee credit union was one the number of the innocent civilian victims murdered that day. She died in the ambulance afterthe horrific injuries that we see at the end of this video. This video was made as a tribute to her memory.
 
SeekinTruth said:
I was referring more to western Europe (they use mostly gas, as far as I know, and they're the ones putting pressure on Russia - AND Bulgaria).

Western Europe doesn't need South Stream because there are plenty of other gas routes. Northern Stream that goes directly from Russia to Germany under sea is working fine. SS is something that is supposed to benefit some of the southeastern countries. And now the USA wants to punish Russia through us, and EU is letting them do that because it doesn't hurt the majority of EU.

Avala said:
I easily can imagine ice age come in just few months. Just needs one spring never to came back. But I thought that we were talking about ice cover thickness. That would need some time to build up.

I think that Ice age and giant ice cover come together.

Avala said:
My point was, if Russians are capable now to dig and drill in Arctic ice and Siberian permafrost, I can assume that they would be capable to keep doing the job some time during the ice age.

Arctic ice is not very big, just couple of meters in height.
 
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